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8.25.2009

Have At It

From the Update. Bridgeport, you gonna let them get away with that? Decatur taxpayers, are you?

72 comments:

Anonymous said...

Turf, grass, dirt, or mud. The Bulls will humble the Buzzards a little more again this year!
GO BULLS!!!

Anonymous said...

Once again Decatur school board shows it's true colors. They have schools that are not up to state standards in education, kids "walking" without passing the state required tests, but yet they are willing to spend money on football, again. Shows Education is not top on their agenda. Well!!!! WAKE UP DECATUR ISD TAXPAYERS, SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Anonymous said...

Move your kids to Northwest.

Anonymous said...

THIS IS SUCH A BAD DEAL ALL AROUND!
IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH SURPLUS MONEY THEN SPEND IT ON EDUCATION.

Anonymous said...

You know, 9:50, before you start denouncing the school board, why don't we see how the vote actually goes. Can we do that?

At this point, this is a "proposal" by the "administration". So if you want to denounce THEM, feel free.

But hold off on the Board at least until the actual vote is in.

Anonymous said...

INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT TURF WHY DONT THEY WORRY ABOUT PLACES TO SIT.....MORE BLEACHERS WOULD BE NICE SO GRANDMA AND GRANDPA DONT HAVE TO HANG ON THE FENCE TO WATCH LITTLE JOHNNY PLAY....

Anonymous said...

But they can't get the Tennis Team a building to hold their equipment built!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Football is a religion in Texas so therefore education is sacrificed. I was hoping there would be a vote on the turf or at some body speaking out against it. Obviously Football is more important than education

Way to go School Board!

Anonymous said...

10:26 did someone strike a nerve... aaahh... The problem here is this should not even be under conderation by the board or administration with the problems in education in the Decatur schools, or any other school for that matter. If there is any excess money in the general fund it should be used for education, not sports.

Anonymous said...

So right 10:40 - it is a religion in Texas, but also all over the US.

How many kids go into football after high school graduation?

This blog does a good job of promoting the game too.

Anonymous said...

Excess money should be spent on quality staff.

Anonymous said...

Football over education! What else is new for Decatur?

Anonymous said...

Anybody know how much Decatur makes on ticket sales to their football games?

Anonymous said...

You idiots are amazing. First of all athletics whether football, basketball, tennis, or checkers promotes the health of the entire school especially when they are winning. They are not independent of one another. Good athletic programs foster better education.

Secondly the state of the facilities promotes growth within the district. If the athletic facilities stink people will move to the neighboring town that actually has the new and best field for thier little athlete to play on.

Third the cost of maintenance is incredible on a grass field. The water bill, the employees who mow, mark the field, and much more.

Stop being cry babies and support your board. If not I might move to Decatur and support them.

Anonymous said...

Ticket sales will not pay the electric bill for any event.

Anonymous said...

Football is a religion get over it
All you people that are mad about this turf issue deal with it. Just because you and your kids were never athletic enough to participate in sports, quit being a hater on the school board and high school athletics. Stick to politics you clowns

Anonymous said...

school board: do the right thing and prove it. i know 2 members who won't but we need the others to approve this ... for ALL of the DISD, not just football will benefit from this.

Anonymous said...

"First of all athletics whether football, basketball, tennis, or checkers promotes the health of the entire school especially when they are winning. They are not independent of one another. Good athletic programs foster better education."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

"Secondly the state of the facilities promotes growth within the district. If the athletic facilities stink people will move to the neighboring town that actually has the new and best field for thier little athlete to play on."

Well, good riddance. I want my child to get an education, not watch football. I could care less if my district was "growing". That has nothing to do with learning.

That being said, if I thought buying turf would keep the DISD from doing something more stupid (build a new stadium), I would support turf.

Anonymous said...

Please Move to Decatur, your vision is amazing.

Per Texas A&M

Avg yearly mowing 7300.00
Irrigation 6360.00
Fertilizer 1000.00
Aerification 1500.00
Top Dressing 4400.00


Pest Control 1900.00
Insect Control 500.00

Paint 1500.00

Total 24460.00

Turf 900,000.00

10 year life span 90,000.00
per year accrual.

Maint costs. 15,000.00
per year

You do the math......I have no problem with some stadium renovations, but more people will choose a school district because of academics rather than a winning football team.

Anonymous said...

And if having a great football program helps the school, why is Odessa Permian rated UNACCEPTABLE?

Anonymous said...

My little athlete will go to the school with the best academics and best teachers. It shows that your child's education must not be as important as a nice football field. All of a sudden grass isn't good enough????

Anonymous said...

11:59 - you said "Football is a religion get over it
All you people that are mad about this turf issue deal with it. Just because you and your kids were never athletic enough to participate in sports, quit being a hater on the school board and high school athletics. Stick to politics you clowns."
Just because you and your kids are not smart enough to pass your classes without help from the coaches pencil whipping your grades so your dumbasses can pass need to get over it! I personally am sick and tired of MY tax money being wasted on shit like this and I still have to go out and buy hundreds of dollars worth of supplies every year for my kids to get an education and then still pay out my ass for them to paticipate in sports.
Dumbass jock get a life

Anonymous said...

Now I know where all the overbearing fathers are when they aren't at the coffee shop or watching their son at football practice. They are proving to the world what fool's they are on Barry's blog.

Anonymous said...

This is a RIDICULOUS thing to even consider! Try repairing the air conditioning at Carson, try bringing our scholastics up to excellence, try buying school supplies for teachers instead of the measlly $100 you allot to each for an entire year of supplies. IF THEY VOTE FOR MORE $$$ TO GO TO ATHLETICS, THEY SHOULD BE HUNG AND QUARTERED!

Anonymous said...

FOR ALL YOU DADDY'S THAT ARE PUSHING FOR THIS TURF WHY DONT YOU DRIVE YOUR KIDS TO SPRINGTOWN...OR TAKE YOUR KID BACK TO SPPRINGTOWN....

Anonymous said...

Grass isn't good enough
That football stadium sucks bottom line. If you want your kid to get a good education then why the hell are they going to Decatur send them to private school where al the fields have turf and people are smart there.
You people are a bunch of cry babies.
I hope they build a new stadium and get turf along with a jumbotron hanging above the field

Anonymous said...

I'd like to try out for their team? I've got skills.

Q Carter

Bigwillie02 said...

12:17. Umm you did the math for us.

Anonymous said...

If we could vote on Administrators and AD's like we vote on bonds, we could easily solve both problems!
Bridgeport has teachers with no classrooms and all because they put an indoor practice facility in a bond that they could not pass. Take out the athletic BS and watch it PASS with flying colors!

Anonymous said...

I spoke to a member of the school about this issue. I am not a resident of Decatur nor do I pay Decatur school taxes. I am conservative when it comes to spending taxpayer money so I asked him to convince me why turf was a good idea. I believe he did say that natural grass would be cheaper than turf over the lifetime of a turf field. I believe he told me that 9 teams play on the field. I don't know about practice or other use such as band etc. He said that the only people that show up at the school board to discuss this issue are in favor of a turf field. Lastly, he said that a football official with something like 20 years experience stated that he has refereed at Decatur over the years and that by mid-season the field is not good and therefore more likely to cause injury. This would not happen with a turf field. I am not saying I am for or against the field. I am in favor of high school athletics. Many life lessons are learned (education) in athletics. My gut says no to a turf field but if it cannot be maintained properly then you either need turf, more fields or fewer teams. People of Decatur make your choice. For those on here against the turf I sympathize with you and encourage you if you haven't already to go to the school board meetings and make your wishes known. It appears to me that those in favor of turf are already doing so.

Anonymous said...

I hope they get the turf, then everyone waits til halftime to get into the game when it's free. The Mexicans used to do that all the time. They would watch thru the fence, then flow thru like a herd of cattle when the cash box was put up. That used to piss off the Decatur elite.

Anonymous said...

Good job, Barry! You opened up a can of worms there. :)

And for all the bloggers out there, yes, unfortunately, football is king here, and in my opinion, everybody has a good point here.

Of course the football daddy's want the best and of course the parents focused on academics want the best. My suggestion is, get out ther and fight for what you think is important, but also support those other areas, because there is nothing better than having a school that excels in all areas. But, people, you have to work together and support each other.

Mother of a former high school golf player and cheerleader.

RPM said...

This is probably the last thing anyone has considered. What is the injury rate of artificial v grass?

Anonymous said...

12:49 Good comeback
Did you get that potty mouth from being in the smart classes. Cry me a freaking river.

12:57 Springtown wouldn't be a bad place to take my kid considering they just put a butt whooping on the eagles. Can you tell me where SPPringtown is???

Anonymous said...

Football is not a religion, it's a stupid game where a bunch of stupid jocks show off their brawn while a bunch of fat middle-aged fathers live vicariously through their kids and think this is something to be proud of! Shows how ridiculously shallow and stupid both the kids and their parents are. Education is what schools are for, and the money should go for making better human beings, more prepared for the future. I couldn't give a damn whether we even have a football team or not, and if we have to have one, grass is perfectly good enough for them to run around and strut on.

Gram Marian said...

12:07, isn't the phrase that you intended to use, "I couldn't care less"? I mean if you "could care less", doesn't that mean that you do "care more"?

So, effectively your argument is stating that you DO care that your district is growing, which, from the context of the rest of your post, is exactly the opposite of what you wanted to say.

Stating that you COULD NOT (or COULDN'T) care less, would mean that have no interest whatsoever in what you are describing. I'm pretty sure that's what you are trying to say.

But, don't worry too much about it, a lot of people make this mistake.

Unless, of course, that your whole post was based on this supposed "mistake" to make an ironic and comedic point. In that case, ROFLMAO and Bravo!

Dorothy said...

Move to North Richland Hills and enroll them in Richland High. Our kids are smart, our stadium is awesome, and our school has recently been totally rebuilt. Excellent all the way around.

Anonymous said...

"I am in favor of high school athletics. Many life lessons are learned (education) in athletics."

Good grief! These kids can be in athletics outside of school, too (and most of them are). Golfers, tennis players, soccer players...all rely on outside training to become proficient. Why do I have to pay for a monument so 1/10 of the school can be on a football team?

Anonymous said...

A simple short answer to the player injury question is yes there are more injuries from a turf field than a natural grass field. Do not take my word for it, go the many websites and research it yourself. The answers are there.

Anonymous said...

Wow, it sounds like there might be a parallel between DISD Dallas and DISD Decatur. I would places in Wise County would be better than that. However, Decatur is too big for its britches.

M-M said...

A turf field, in the long run, cost more than a grass field. Grass takes 30 to $50,000 to maintain every year. Turf initial cost is over $1 million. That's between 20 and 30 years worth of grass maintenance. Plus turf requires annual maintenance and has to be replaced every 8 to 12 years.

The only advantage is that you can use the heck out of it.

It boils down to whether it is a need or a want. If it were a need, that would mean the football program would cease to exist if we didn't get it. We all know that won't happen. So, that makes it a want. Coach Storys' want. It would be feather in his cap. There seems to be a trend of coaches desiring these turf fields. Injuries do not increase. (They did with the old style turf) People would not come to Decatur to put their kid here just because of turf. For example, people move to Southlake because of their program, not their facilities.

I don't think we need it. Coach Story has the numbers in his favor on the board. It will pass.

Anonymous said...

Hey Barry, can you get new pix of the new Jacksboro Stadium, heard it was pretty nice but never go to Jacksboro anymore?

OH, and the UIL should make it a new rule that your football team has to win STATE before you can get turf! that would shut alot of people up around Wise County

Anonymous said...

First of all, I don't live in Decatur, and the outcome of this issue won't affect me.
However, all the people shouting about education vs. football aren't being very smart. Do you not realize the importance of athletics in general, and specifically, football? It (and other sports) imparts teamwork, camaraderie, respect for authority, school spirit, hometown pride, and physical fitness. In addition to the team members, you've got the trainers, band, cheerleaders, spirit squad (or whatever it's called).
Your arguments against spending money on a turf field may be valid, but your rants about football/athletics being stupid and a waste of money are...stupid!
To paraphrase 1:43's comments: Athletic competition makes better human beings, more prepared for the future.

Anonymous said...

Hi Dorothy - our grandson goes to Richland High......hopefully, he's well on his way to a baseball scholarship, but again this year, he decided he wanted to play football - he's smallish, and obviously won't have a career in football, but when baseball isn't happening, he still wants to play sports. If I were his mother, I would say NO, focus on baseball - that's what you are best at......why waste your time and potentially your life or limbs on a sport that usually ends up with you getting nowhere, son.

Me? I went to Trinity HS - a beautiful campus back then in 1977 when I graduated - haven't been back there much since - I moved back to Gawd's Country, where I was born and raised, and will stay until I pass on.........

Anonymous said...

Um, did Quincy even graduate from high school? Maybe he could be our backup QB? Makes sense to me.

Jimmy Jump Up

Anonymous said...

Keep Quincy away from the grass!!!

Nuggie

Anonymous said...

Coach Story needs to focus on his job, and stop trying to spend our money on something the majority of the taxpayers neither care about nor will ever even see. I for one, gave up high school football once my last kid graduated, and haven't been forced to relive the nightmare since, thank God.

Anonymous said...

I wish they would fix the bathrooms so when you go pee the little kids outside can't see your wee-wee

Anonymous said...

IS TENNIS REALLY A SPORT? WHO CARES ABOUT TENNIS ANYWAY, THATS A SO CALLED SPORT FOR THE SISSIES. DO YOU REALLY NEED A WHOLE BUILDING TO PUT A RACKET IN ANYWAY, GIVE THE TEAM A LOCKER TO PUT ALL THEIR RACKETS IN.

Anonymous said...

Ban football. It's too dangerous for the kids.

While we're at it, let's ban street clothes and put the whole district in uniforms. School is supposed to prepare you for real life. In real life your employer dictates what you wear. So let's get them started now.

Oh yeah, most employers don't have football as an extra curricular activity.

Casual Observer said...

Talk about a panty-wadding topic!

Anonymous said...

hey the turff will be used for not only HS and JH football but all so for the pee wee teams so nobody has to go to that crap hole over at the JH, also soccer games and practice will be there have you ever been to one of our HS soccer games over at the JH it is sad,the band can practice on it everyday and host a contest if they wish, when it is wet baseball and softball can take infield there, it will get use year round istead of just 10 times a year. all you nay sayers get over it its coming

Anonymous said...

Barry will have sweet dreams tonight from all the blog attention football turf stirred up.

He's good at that.

REALLY good!

Anonymous said...

4:15 - I think you are being duped by the turfers. If the field gets turf, the other sports and teams will have to wait behind the football team. Football will dominate its use and others will have to go elsewhere most of the time.

Anonymous said...

A raise for busdrivers would be nice. Decatur is one of the lowest paying ISD's around....by a pretty good margin.

Anonymous said...

I am a taxpayer, and a parent.

My recommendation to the board is to put it to a community vote rather than going 'whole hog'. That way, whatever the decision, you'll have the community behind you, or at least those who care enough to vote.

Giving this money to one sport (I know, I know, it could be used for soccer, band, swim team, tennis, etc. but seriously, we know that will never happen) is really a huge risk and won't form any allies between you and the community.

Anonymous said...

That's a lot of dough that could also be used for teacher, administrator, paraprofessional... salaries. Think about what it would be like if Decatur, like Northwest and Southlake, could be extremely picky about who they hire because everyone was flocking here because of a fine school with great teacher salaries.

Anonymous said...

Top 10 TV Programs - Single Telecast

Rank Telecast Network Date Aired % Of Homes
In U.S.
(Rating)
1 FOX SUPER BOWL XLII FOX 2/3/2008 43.1%
2 FOX SUPER BOWL POST GAME FOX 2/3/2008 30.1%
3 FOX NFC CHAMPIONSHIP FOX 1/20/2008 29.0%
4 SUMMER OLYMPICS TUE PRIME 1 NBC 8/12/2008 20.0%
5 FOX NFC PLAYOFF-PST-SUN FOX 1/13/2008 18.8%
6 SUMMER OLYMPICS OPEN CEREM NBC 8/8/2008 18.8%
7 ACADEMY AWARDS ABC 2/24/2008 18.7%
8 SUMMER OLYMPICS SUN PRIME 1 NBC 8/10/2008 18.1%
9 AFC DIVISIONAL PLAYOFF CBS 1/12/2008 17.9%
10 SUMMER OLYMPICS THU PRIME 1 NBC 8/14/2008 17.9%
Source: The Nielsen Company (January 1 - December 7, 2008).

5 of the top 10 are football related, 4 are Olympic Sports, and one is Movies.

Rank Show or Episode Number of Households Percent of Households Share Date Network
1 M*A*S*H series finale: "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen"[12] 50.15 million 60.2% 77% 01983-02-28 February 28, 1983 CBS
2 Dallas episode: "Who Done It?" aka "Who shot J.R.?" 41.47 million 53.3% 76% 01980-11-21 November 21, 1980 CBS
3 Roots Part VIII (finale) 36.38 million 51.1% 71% 01977-01-30 January 30, 1977 ABC
4 Super Bowl XVI (San Francisco 49ers vs. Cincinnati Bengals) 40.02 million 49.1% 73% 01982-01-24 January 24, 1982 CBS
5 Super Bowl XVII (Washington Redskins vs. Miami Dolphins) 40.48 million 48.6% 69% 01983-01-30 January 30, 1983 NBC
6 XVII Winter Olympics: Ladies' figure skating - short program
featuring Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding 45.69 million 48.5% 64% 01994-02-23 February 23, 1994 CBS
7 Super Bowl XX (Chicago Bears vs. New England Patriots) 41.49 million 48.3% 70% 01986-01-26 January 26, 1986 NBC
8 Gone with the Wind telecast (part 1) 33.96 million 47.7% 65% 01976-11-07 November 7, 1976 NBC
9 Gone with the Wind telecast (part 2) 33.75 million 47.4% 64% 01976-11-08 November 8, 1976 NBC
10 Super Bowl XII (Dallas Cowboys vs. Denver Broncos) 34.41 million 47.2% 67% 01978-01-15 January 15, 1978 CBS
11 Super Bowl XIII (Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Dallas Cowboys) 35.09 million 47.1% 74% 01979-01-21 January 21, 1979 NBC
12 Bob Hope Christmas Special 27.26 million 46.6% 64% 01970-01-15 January 15, 1970 NBC
13 Super Bowl XVIII (Los Angeles Raiders vs. Washington Redskins) 38.88 million 46.4% 71% 01984-01-22 January 22, 1984 CBS
14 Super Bowl XIX (San Francisco 49ers vs. Miami Dolphins) 39.39 million 46.4% 63% 01985-01-20 January 20, 1985 ABC
15 Super Bowl XIV (Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Los Angeles Rams) 35.33 million 46.3% 67% 01980-01-20 January 20, 1980 CBS
16 Super Bowl XXX (Dallas Cowboys vs. Pittsburgh Steelers) 44.15 million 46.0% 68% 01996-01-28 January 28, 1996 NBC
17 Film: The Day After 38.55 million 46.0% 62% 01983-11-20 November 20, 1983 ABC
18 Roots Part VI 32.68 million 45.9% 66% 01977-01-28 January 28, 1977 ABC
18 The Fugitive series finale: "The Judgement: Part 2" 25.70 million 45.9% 72% 01967-08-29 August 29, 1967 ABC
20 Super Bowl XXI (New York Giants vs. Denver Broncos) 40.03 million 45.8% 66% 01987-01-25 January 25, 1987 CBS

10 of the top 20 all-time are Football. Any more questions?

Here's one, when is the last time 100,000 people paid money to watch a math test?

Anonymous said...

8:10, please put something sharp in your butt.

Anonymous said...

8:10--You moron. When's the last time 200 million people drove a car designed by a football team? You my friend are truly stuck on stupid

Anonymous said...

8:23 and 8:27 -- Don't hate the player, hate the game. (a.k.a. "Don't shoot the messenger" for your generation)

Lighten up and buy a "Party Pass" from Jerry. If you can't beat 'em, you might as well join 'em.

Anonymous said...

"Here's one, when is the last time 100,000 people paid money to watch a math test?"

That's easy. Texas Motor Speedway.

How do you think it got designed? What about the cars performmance on the track? What about the logistics to put on the race?

There's your math being put to the test.

Anonymous said...

8;10 I can sum that up pretty quick.A lot of people sitting their ass watching the BOOB TUBE.Betcha you dnn't know why people call it that.DAGO

Anonymous said...

How many football players from Decatur made it to the pro's.

Anonymous said...

i would say that it is hard to believe this but then agian the fed are doing the same thing. prehaps `we should do away with the football program that will save a ton of money. all things considered that field needs a complete make over amd a new irrigation system sub surface would be the best. i have seen plenty of the little johny who cant read or write getting a's in all his classes because he is a jock. i say that those of us who wish that the money be spent on education show up at the next meeting and ask the baord what is more important to them fake grass or education

Anonymous said...

8:10 So you're OK with the status quo? No point in trying to improve the intellectual prowess of our students...I used to watch sports, before it became all about the money, drugs, dog fighting....

Dear Lord, if watching the athlete interviews doesn't make you weep, then you are stupid enough to put sports above books.

Anonymous said...

look at the number of coaches on the school payrolls and some of them are signed up to teach your children school classes, last year Alvord went as far as to use their basketball coach as a english teacher and he was not certified to teach it

Anonymous said...

oh my are you kidding me?????? do you really think the pee wee players are going to play on that turf field????? probably not because they play on the middle school practice field now and not at the stadium... oh wait there is a school board member that still has a little one playing pee wee.
so maybe they will get to use it.

Anonymous said...

It's incredible to me that the school board is even considering this. Academic teachers are drowning in students at the high school for the sake of athletics and efficiency. The schedule has increased our student load (don't tell me about student teacher ratio when you count all the coaches and/or department chairs with cushy classes and schedules or tractor classes with eight students in it. You already screwed Decatur teachers with a flawed curriculum, don't add insult to injury by buying astroturf for the athletic department. Spend that money on teachers so that students can have a better shot at learning something. Reduce the "real" student teacher ratio. Put your money where your mouth is, school board. If you really care about academics, then prove it.

By the way, don't tell me to find another profession. I care too much that administrations are blindly leading our future generations into an abyss of mediocrity and averageness. Pearson (fat education curriculum mogul that makes the TAKS test) is getting rich ensuring that kids are average or below. You know students will never master the TAKS test or any state test for that matter; how would they make their money? Smartphones aren't the answer, either so quit looking for the answer there, pals.

When will people wake up and smell the coffee?

Anonymous said...

Is this turf truly a NECESSITY?

I believe it is more a WANT (keeping up with the Joneses) than a NECESSITY.

That should be the end of the debate.

Anonymous said...

I truly hope that the Board will be good stewards of my (our) money. I don't think spending this much money on one sport, that does not carry athletes beyond high school, will do it.

How about you tax all those parents of little athletes who are pushing this so much, and let them pay for it - after all, it's only their little athletes who, present or future, will ever use it.

Anonymous said...

Aren't there cheaper ways of 'fixing' whatever is wrong?

Seriously, I've been watching football games there for probably 16 or 17 years, and I don't see what requires a $1.5 million fix.

And, about all the statistics. Any smart person knows that you can bend statistics, or find supporting numbers to say whatever you want it to say. For every stat that is pro - astroturf, there is one that is NOT.

Don't insult the community by trying to prove otherwise.