I'm glad someone dumbed down the whole health care reform debate so that the liberal weenies could understand it. Now we need one that explains how everyone is entitled to free housing, free cars, free food and a living wage job. I don't understand why all the conservatives are opposing Obammy on his utopia master plan.
My head just exploded. So insurance companies are bad because they make a profit? So capitalism is evil? So what is the alternative? WTF?What they seem to forget is that good health coverage is a privilege, not a right.
Hey Skip, why don't you post something about the liberal weenie transgender that vandalized the Democratic headquarters in Denver to make it look like the angry mob swastika wearing astro turf grey brigade Republicans did it?
I watched the entire thing, but they lost me at the part where it said people pool their money for insurance coverage. True, but in my HMO, EVERYBODY pays into the pool, and everybody gets healthcare coverage. He tried to equate that to the planned government coverage. The difference is that not everybody is going to be paying into the pool.
Health coverage is a RIGHT! What if we stopped providing education for kids and said that parents had to pay for it or their children would not recieve an education????? Anyone against national healthcare is just plain ignorant, selfish, and CRAZY. Don't worry Barry, there are actually some folks in wise county (liberal weenies, tree huggers, bleeding hearts, whatever you wanna call them) that have a brain. Keep up the good work. Greed will NEVER prevail! National healthcare is going to happen in this country. It will be nothing like Canada's. Instead, it will be a plan unique to America. Heheheheh, it's gonna happen and all the right wing nuts are going be crying again just like when Obama won. Hahahahahaha
How can anyone say that one person deserves the privilege of healthcare and another person does not? Greed has always been the downfall of this country. Times are changing like it or not!
Yes, let's let the government run healthcare so they can run it just like they run the postal service and other 'well run' government programs. Maybe hospitals will need to close on Saturdays to make up for shortfalls in budgets too... Seriously though...It’s always easy to pretty up the good side of things (like this video did), sure it sounds great, logical, and makes you all warm and fuzzy but that's not how reality works.I sometimes think that’s how lots of liberal ideas are presented to the public (all warm, fuzzy, logical, and SIMPLE) but the fact is is that reality is nowhere to be seen. Conservatives point out the inconvenient reality and they appear and uncaring, unfuzzy, and unappealing. Liberals then give way some and concessions are made (and vice versa) and balance is kept (for the most part).Liberals are the yin and conservatives are the yang. You need BOTH to keep things in balance.
1:18PM, I can't wait until you have a catastrophic illness and find out, after it's too late, that your insurance company won't pay. I think you'll be gettin' off your high horse then.
OK, now that I've seen the cartoon, I finally get it! Count me in!
What you libs seem to ignore is that everyone HAS health care. Any ER across the country is required to see the indigent when they present with problems. We are required to do see them and treat them. THAT is their right...not to be left to die on the street. It is NOT, however, their right to use expensive resources for non-life threatening issues unless they can pay for them. Some has to pay, because there is a cost incurred, and it shouldn't be the people who actually get off their butts and work for a living.
Brilliant. He did an incredible job of completely avoiding the national debt our country finds itself in due to the great services our government offers. Oh, he forgot to mention the rampant abuse in the Medicare system where hundreds of thousands of dollars are siphoned off by companies that Medicare pays because of the way the reimbursement system is set up. No, I'm not making it up. I used to work in the Medicare industry and have seen it firsthand. Yep, that boy was brilliant avoiding any negatives about a government run system. It must be nice to have such a pie-in-the-sky point of view.
1:53 - Yes, ER's are required to see patients. The ER will run a few tests, give a couple of pills, then send the patient on their way, giving them a prescription they cannot afford and tell them to see a doctor for a follow-up, which they cannot afford either. The ER will NOT run important tests, perform operations, nor is the ER a primary care physician. Most of the people without healthcare actually do have jobs and are considered the working poor. You are sadly misinformed. What about a single mom that has a job that provides no health insurance, that is busting her ass in college and raising children on her own because deadbeat daddy won't pay child support. Do people in this situation "deserve" healthcare coverage? Who "deserves" healthcare...a child born into a wealthy family or a child born into poverty? Or both?
Fire protection by the government in Great Britain works great but their government run health program sucks. Babies are being delivered in the hallways of hospitals there, even on elevators.
1:37pm -- pull your head out of your a@@...so you think a government-controlled health care system will act swiftly to provide the top-notch coverage I need? I've had a steady job since I graduated from college and pay a premium to have exceptional health care for me and my family, so that we will be treated when we get sick. Don't tell me that someone who does not work and is here is this country illegally should have the exact same coverage as me. Trust me. With a socialist health care system, we will end up with the government system for the low and middle class, and an elite health care system for "the rich" and your congressmen and senators. Similar to private schools (which were created because the govt runs the education system poorly and underfunded), there will be a private elite insurance industry created when the government takes control. Also, with no competition, do you think that a socialist health care system will be run cost-effectively? Will our taxes go down? Do you think the most qualified professionals will be controlling the system? Obama is already promising his Chicago cronies positions in the new system.
If ever a relative of mine dies as a result of rationing of healthcare...I will find the government bureaucrat and kill them....simple as that.
1:30 & 1:33GREED will always rule the world. It is human nature and you will never control it. Control is an illusion anyway. Obama is controlled by a bigger machine and if you do not realize that then you are piss ignorant. Obama's wife had a 300k a year job at a hospital she never showed up at. Is that not greed?Obama will want you to think he is for the little man. Only reason is so he can count on that guy's vote. And the only reason he wants the vote is so he will never have to find a real job. Is that not greed?
Me loves me some controversy.
Typical democrat crap. Who wants health care that is good as the postal service or any of those other government run universial socialized whatever you eant to call them agencies? It is already better than that. All of those services would be better if they were privatized. If you really need to get a piece of mail somewhere overnight you better send it Fed Ex or UPS.And I wouldn't want the animator of this "cartoon" or Barry or Kevin to sit on my death panel. Anybody that arrogant would surely sign a death warrant. Even though they think they know what's best for all of us.If we free our minds like you guys we will be goose stepping to the crematorium. (if we don't give off too many greenhouse gases in the process) Maybe you can seize our property and buy us some pollution credits.
i'm with 2:33-you will see real violence when you can't get in to a heart doctor for 2 months
Answer for 2:05: the one whose parents can pay for it. Pure and simple. I don't want to pay for anyone, kid or not. I paid for MY KIDS. That's MY RESPONSIBILITY...NO ONE ELSE.
2:35, Greed is NOT human nature. Greed is socially constructed, not biological. As far as the President and his wife...I don't give a damn what his wife did, what kind of cigs he smokes or who sucks his ****. His personal life is just that. What I care about is what he is going to do for the American people!
1:37, I can't wait until you have a catastrophic illness and find out, after it's too late, that the government won't pay. I think you'll be gettin' off your high horse then.
Obamacare will work if (a) all the people who actually pay taxes get unlimited healthcare and (b) all the people who actually pay taxes get to decide which of the non-taxpayers are eligible. An American Idol-type voting process would be perfect.Questionnaire (in English only - automatic rejection if can't understand questionnaire) would be something like this. ( ) Employed?( ) Why not?( ) In this country legally?
"What they seem to forget is that good health coverage is a privilege, not a right."Wow. I shudder at the thought of co-existing on a planet with human beings who actually believe that enough to type it.
Not a bad idea, 3:04. Let those of us who actually work for a living and have to pay form the panels and select who gets the free care WE'RE paying for. If they can't speak English or have no job, automatic disqualifier. I like that idea if I'm forced to pay at all. I could definitely live with that, as the majority would be disqualified, so I wouldn't have to pay much.
Good Lord, my blood pressure is getting high and I can't afford to see the good ole doc who took an oath to never cause harm. I'm with ya 3:11 (isn't that a song?)Don't forget about genius 2:05 that would rather children die because their parents can't afford healthcare than pitch in a few bucks to help. This is a scary country we live in.
Wow 25 comments in less then an hour and a half – This whole health care reform topic has tired head all over it because it is so complicated……we need a fair and balanced debate – not just both sides talking and not listening.Also one cost issues to consider – everyone gets end of life medical care weather they have insurance or not – so we all already pay for that medical coverage and about 30% of all health care expenses are spent on preventable illnesses. So if more people got regular medical care the over all cost of health care would drop……tired head has set in.
How does Barry earn a living when he has to spend all his time reading the uninfomred crap that we all post?
Has any thought why the insurance companies are NOT fighting back against Obama dissing them? They have made a back door deal with the White House to pay 65% of medical claims instead of 80^; therefore, those of us who have health care insurance will be paying 35% co-pays and deductables! Wow. Government run health care if run like Medicare will continue to reduce reimbursements to medical providers and hospitals due to the increase in the deficit. Now projected to be a trillion dollars a year for the next ten years before they ad the cost of $1.6 trillion for the public option.Now if greed drives the right wing, why isn't anyone talking about envy driving the far left? Spread the wealth???But power and money is what is driving the most corrupted group in office that learned Chicago style politics a long way back. When doctors don't get paid for their services, they will ration care. They will have no choice. Free health care for all will be abused and bankrupt our nation. Everyone will suffer from runaway inflation as the deficit goes higher and interes rates go up. Health care is not like the fire department or any utilities because it is delivered based on the doctor/patient relationship.If health care is to be free, then the next step will be offering people homes to park their free cars (cash for clunkers) that was the brain storm of a communist who is head of the Appollo Project!
Everyone who likes their current health coverage should stand up and be heard……then they need to look back 5 years ago and see what they paid for health care then and compare it to current cost.....now look ahead five years – you’ll be paying twice what you currently pay for the same or less coverage…..that’s if nothing is done. The system is broken!!!!!
3:46 said "If health care is to be free, then the next step will be offering people homes to park their free cars (cash for clunkers) that was the brain storm of a communist who is head of the Appollo Project!"WTF????
A couple of thoughts:1) Healthcare is indeed essential, but not as essential as food...yet Democrats are not suggesting we socialize supermarkets before we do hospitals. Why not? Think that one over, and remember the constant food shortages and rationing in the government-controlled supermarkets of the old Soviet Union.2) The cartoon's use of Medicare as an example of efficiency is bogus. Medicare's administrative costs are NOT lower than for private insurance. Read this for a detailed explanation. What's more, Medicare does not make a "profit" because it's insolvent. Medicare is bankrupt. When your private insurer goes broke, you can choose another insurance company. What happens when the only game in town -- socialized, government-controlled insurance -- quits providing services because it can't afford them? Shortages and rationing, anyone?
Riddle me this, Batpeople: you're all real good at pointing out how government-run healthcare will be imperfect ..... but you haven't clued me in at all as to how it will be worse than the clusterf*** of a system that we have now.
Anyone that believes Medicare is efficiently run and does not monitor and reject necessary claims and treatments just as private insurance does is mistaken and has obviously never been on it. Private insurance also has a better and faster appeal and mediation process.
We are all coming to this issue from different perspectives. If you have a good paying job, can afford your premiums, you may think everybody is the same as you. Not so.If you have a job that doesn't pay a lot, but your company pays part of your health insurance, great - but not everybody who works has that either.If you are young and healthy and don't even have an insurance policy, you are blessed, but not everybody is.Many people are uninsured because they just cannot AFFORD insurance premiums. That, to them is an extra. They are just trying to pay rent, gasoline, food, etc. I know about this one, because a close family member, a single mother of three is rowing that boat. When one of the children is sick, they go to the ER. She is a good mother and doesn't abuse the Emergency Room priviledge.And those who are on a fixed income - many elderly depend upon Medicare which only pays eighty percent, meaning they must pay for a supplemental policy that will cover the rest. Old people just get sicker and private premiums go up with each birthday. I know about that one, because I row that boat.One size isn't going to fit all, but something does need to be done.Personally, I'd like to see a major Medicare overhaul because there is abuse there, and we desperately need tort reform. When our good doctors have to pay exhorbant mal practice insurance premiums because they are afraid of financial ruin due to lawsuits, they have expensive testing done to people because they are worried about being sued. How discouraging is that to a young doctor right out of medical school whose interest is only in helping humanity?That is so wrong.The whole system needs revamping. I have no answers, but I am glad some folks are at least addressing these complex health issues.
The government will contract the healthcare system to some large company and system will continue. We all know how good the government is at contracts ($200 hammers, $250 toilets). Then the insurance lobbyists will be paying for contracts instead of favors, it is just another layer of greed and pork for capital hill.
It has finally happened. I am going on a blog sabbatical. All the anger, hatred and sarcasm being spewed here is more than my poor old being can take. I'm a liberal. I voted for Obama. I am college educated & work for a living. Unfortunately I think I made a terrible mistake when I decided to move to Wise County a decade ago for the quality of life. I'm expecting guys sitting on front porchs playing their banjos everywhere soon. I think we are going backwards here, not forwards. Have fun seeing which of you can be the most outlandish. Just like fantasy football, this blog provides for fantasy "life if I were in charge of the world."
I would love to hear from someone on here who doesn't and isn't able to currently get healthcare.
That video has to be the absolute biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever watched! Yes, private enterprise does it better BECAUSE of profit... government takes more than 10-20% off the top in waste, graft and payoffs! Ask a senior citizen about medicare... ask them why they pay $200-$500 a month for a PRIVATE SUPLIMENTAL health indsurance policy for Medicare. BECAUSE MEDICARE DON'T PAY SHIT!But go ahead and promote this crap all you want... but when the time comes for the government to refer you to the Hemlock Society like they just did 1200 veterans, don't say you weren't warned!Thank God they haven't nationalized the food industry; otherwise, we would be waiting in line for days to eat! If it weren't for profit, how would 300 million people be fed 3 meals a day with ease?
WordkyleMedicare is going bankrupt because its claims expenses are going up faster then its premiums – seems pretty basic. The rest of us would be bankrupt too if we assumed no more of money could go to healthcare then we are currently spending. also the post office can deliver a small peice of paper from one side of the country to the other for less then 50cents...not a bad operation. and before some uninformed person says other wise - the post office does not get any money from the federal government.
Healthcare is costly. As a nurse, I expect to be paid...the things in my life aren't free, so I have to pay my way. For me to be paid, the hospital has to profit. For the hospital to profit, people have to pay for the care of those of us who work here. Seems pretty simple to me.....my education and training weren't free....it's a service, and you PAY FOR A SERVICE. Might as well open all the store and give everything away for free...but you wouldn't like that. It's ok for others to get paid, but not those of us who work in healthcare???? Come request my help....pay for it with good old American $$$$. i can't pay my bills with good feelings.
4:03 If this thing passes. Are you 100% sure that I or you or anyone who gets sick will be able to go directly to the doctor for treatment like we do now?
Conservative = Selfish. Doesn't like to share.Liberal = Selfless. Understands that we are all in this together and that together we rise or fall.
Denney, you are right, Medicare doesn't pay a lot but it is all many seniors have. Some don't even have a supplemental policy because the premiums are so high. Many seniors just don't have further testing/treatment because they can't pay for it out of pocket.Some seniors just sit home and wait to die. That is a reality for many.
1:53- the people without insurance are not PAYING when they go to the ER. That's the problem.We need health insurance for everyone so that everyone will start paying.
4:05 it gets better when you leave Texas... I promise. I love Texas, but I have to accept the face that 75% of the state and 90% of WC are simple minded conservative ignorant people. They don't understand that a rising tide lifts all boats.Just smile to yourself because slowly but surely America is becoming more liberal.
4:46 PM Conservative = Selfish. Doesn't like to share.Liberal = Selfless. So tell me why all those liberal politicians give vitually nothing to charity compared to the conservatives? As disclosed on their tax retuurns? ############1:53- the people without insurance are not PAYING when they go to the ER. That's the problem.We need health insurance for everyone so that everyone will start paying.Liberals understand nothing about business! WE ALREADY PAY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AND DON'T PAY, THAT'S WHY HEALTHCARE IS CURRENTLY SO HIGH! WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS FOR IT NOW??? The paying consumer has always paid the overhead of those who don't or can't pay... The government will once again take over an entity and run it into the ground, then private enterprize will compete against it an do a much better job... Then, you can complain about how the wealthy and Congress get much better health care than we do!
My husband and I have not had insurance for 20 years, R&R. I had a great policy when I worked for a Fortune 5 company, before I left that position and started my own company. The premiums for my family of three were $8 a month for 80/20 coverage for most health issues, catastrophic was covered 100% with a million + cap back then. When I left that company, I knew what I was facing, so I did get insurance for a short while, but the premiums were unimaginably high, and didn't cover jack-squat in actuality, so we decided to go on a wing and a prayer. Not too long ago I called a "reputable insurance agent" and the monthly premiums for what we used to have would have been almost $2,000 a month for each of us.....we can't afford that. Knock on wood, we've been lucky so far, and I will be a pauper in the ER if anything horrible happens to either of us. The faction of us "uninsureds" is growing every day.......I believe there is power in numbers, and will welcome a government plan that is affordable, so that all of us that want to pay in to get coverage can, without it costing an arm and a leg. I'm pretty sure the majority of the 45+million of us out here would participate, and that would be a lot of bucks in the pool.I also agree with a previous poster that we are focused on the wrong end of the horse, when millions of elderly, near end of lifers are sucking a huge part of the medicare system away.....it should be the other way around - focus on children & youth, preventive medicine, eating right, living right.......I have one elderly parent left, and have little respect left for him since he would get mad and scream at me when I told him to stop eating so many sweets because he is adult-onset diabetic, his eyesight is failing because of it, he's had surgery and laser treatments again and again and it can't be fixed, yada yada, so don't call me cold-hearted for saying that - if he won't cooperate with doctors orders, why should we taxpayers keep paying tens of thousands for procedures that won't fix his problem? I won't even bother you with my mother's story, except I know for a fact she cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars, and chose not to cooperate with any wellness practices. I also have noticed that I haven't had the need for as much "medical care" as I got when I worked for that company. As I said, we knew the situation we were going in to, and made lifestyle changes that have positively affected our health. I don't run to the doctor for every little ache, pain or scratch. I don't take shiateloads of pills for this or that illness of the day.......only Advil when some of the idiots on this blog cause me to get a headache.On the rare times that we do have to seek medical attention, we private pay. Heck, I've even bartered with my doctor, because I provide a needed service to him in return.All that said, I will welcome a national health care program. Like Obama says, if you're happy with yours, keep it, otherwise, STFU.
435 - It's a moot point. The bottom line is that Obama and other Democrats who advocate the various government-controlled options can't be trusted. Obama claims that everyone will be covered, at less cost, and that there will be no shortage of medical services and no increase in taxes (and certainly no "death panel,") yet suggested the system might have benefited more from his own grandmother's death rather than her receiving medical treatment. Gives you an idea of how they want to be "more efficient," doesn't it? When pressed on other details of the legislation such as government funding for abortions, Democrats waffle. They claim it won't, but refuse to insert language that expressly prohibits it. They will say anything, make any claim, to pass this legislation, because once it's law they can do anything...anything...they want with it.453 - A news story just for you.
4:53. You ignorant simpleton. How about you better yourself by applying yourself with an education which vastly improves your chances of finding a career or better job which gives you self esteem because you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps instead of waiting for the government to float your boat and everyones elses. Quit sticking your hand out and put it to work. And if your real lucky you might get a job that provides you with health insurance.
Health care is a scarce resource. Always has been, always will be. That is just fact.Therefore, there must be a way to divy up the scarce resource. Since all health care professionals would prefer money, that is the only wise method to acquire health care.In an equitable system, if you cannot or will not pay, you should not receive services.If you do not pay your water bill, you water is cut off.If you cannot pay gasoline taxes, tolls, etc, you cannot drive on our roads.If you do not buy a stamp, your mail will come back to you.Any of these government run programs are equitable, because you pay for what you use. Health care does NOT promise to be so fair.The military's job is to destroy things and kill people. They do it very well. Government run health care promises about the same result.
I know about the 1200 vets Denney Crane, but you must be joking about the Hemlock Society - otherwise, link me up.
Is everyone piss ignorant or just have sand in thier ears!The reason that nobody can afford health care and the budgets wont balance is because all the f#$*ing illegal aliens are bleeding us dry!Last night i watched a documentery on dish that showed mexico had a special system set in place to help illegals cross our border and even provided a class and food and water along the rout..keep your heads in the sand and see if we have a US to bitch and gripe about!Thats the real underlying problem this great nation faces!uncle fester 2012
Wordkyle - do you have private insurance and if so, through whom and for what price? Is it just for you, your family and does your company (if you are with one) pay for part of it)........? or are you independently wealthy and can afford private insurance? Hey, you are always "pushing" research for issues "out there"......give us some information up front.Inquiring minds want to know. And how old are you? Care to divulge that information? And how healthy? And how wealthy?And are any members of your family on Medicare and/or receive Social Security payments?One, two, three, four, etc. answers will do just fine.
I here that they have free health care for everyone including us Mexicans. Even if they don't we can show up at Parkland in Dallas and they will treat us. Lets get on up there. Line up boys. Take a look at who Obama wants to include in nationalized health care.http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/privateshowing/BIPevidence1.html
Umm, there is a profit made in Medicare...it's called Medicare fraud, and probably equals the amount made by the insurance companies. On the bright side, if we catch those responsible, they go to jail.The Dems made a tactical error by going for the whole enchilada. Start with reform before expanding the program.
I honestly agree with you, 6:19PM. Dealing with of all the fat people, or folks who need to walk instead of wheeling around in motorized wheel chairs will be a great start. Those motorized wheel chair mfg fraudsters should be put out of business. I think all any of them have gotten so far is a slap on the wrist.
Helath Insurance is so "1983"...so "Quiet Riot" even.
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The truth is that most o fthe people who blog here is not wealthy or they wouldn't be here. I doubt that they even believe the sh*t thy spew out. Most just show up to show everyone how ignorant they are!!!!
5:34 PM"you must be joking about the Hemlock Society - otherwise, link me up."Okay, here's your links:WSJ: "only one organization was listed in the new version as a resource on advance directives: the Hemlock Society (now euphemistically known as "Compassion and Choices")."After the Wall Street Journal published this article August 18, our beloved government took the document down… If you don’t believe the WSJ or me, you can read the document here if you login…
My last check stub showed I paid $88 to Medicare and my employer paid $380 for my insurance for a month. Please bring on "socialized" medicine! I figure me employer will be able to give me a $300 raise! I only insure myself & don't even have the premium plan. So that means they could tax me another $250 and I would still get a raise! Of course my sister-in-law that gets to deny services (wks for insurance company) wouldn't get her bonus. I can't believe how the right has been bought by the insurance companies. I would much rather have a person make the decision of my treatment that would not benefit financially making that decision.
I see WordBile is at it again. As is Denney Crane the good Repuglican't that he is. When are you guys going to realize that you lost and start acting like Americans again. If a liberal ever acted like you are acting you would cry treason, you hypocritical fatcats. The only way that there is even a debate is because of folks like you both who seem to think that you will be paying for most of it if someone who can't afford health insurance gets treatment for less that people who make 6 figures annually This is exactly why we feel that most Republicans have a built in selfishness that they will never overcome unless they seek treatment, which I might add, is expensive in today's world. Make note of this if you will, I was one of those wage earners for 22 years before I went into business for myself and before 1980 health insurance was provided for at every company that I worked at, even Six Flags when I was 18. Things have changed although the American worker is still doing the same work and building and maintaining the same products while getting less and less of the pie and gettiong benefits cut right and left while executives make 7 figure bonuses and companies whine that they can't keep good executives unless they offer these extravagant bonuses. Tell me what in the hell they did to deserve this money and why shouldn't they help pay for the people who's sweat and blood helped get them to where they are because if it were not for the employees of the company that actually do the work there would be no bonuses.Lead..Well you proved that after 8 years of Repuke leadership that Repuke leadership was an oxymoronFollow...well, lets see..so far all you have done is do your best to obfuscate the topic of health care reform...SoGET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.
I don't see a problem with it, Denney Crane. I have advanced directives; luckily I'm smart enough to figure that stuff out. Some folks here in the USA need it spelled out for them......I want them to pull the plug on me, hell, I don't even want a plug in me in the first place. I know about the Hemlock Society, and I am an advocate of voluntary euthanasia.I think you were trying to pull a Wordbyle on us with "but when the time comes for the government to refer you to the Hemlock Society like they just did 1200 veterans, don't say you weren't warned!", you're mixing up your stories (to influence the idiots that read this blog, and potentially stir them up), but you didn't fool me, you interloper.
You just exposed the big farce by the flimsy comparison of local police and fire, education etc...to federally run programs, such as US post office going broke when it was a monopoly. What about Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac that were federally backed are now defunct and CAUSED our financial crisis!! Have you asked Medicare how it is doing lately? It is going broke..... Indian Health Care is broke and a FARCE! Veteran's Services are JOKES and our own Vet's suffer DAILY because of the crappy "federally run" insurance they have. I don't know of ANY federally run program that isn't running out of money.... even social security!! Why don't we take a look at the FEDERALLY run Home Land Security program. It is a federal program and it can't even PROTECT OUR OWN BORDERS!!! This little "presentation" is dumed down alright...... for those who are just that: DUMB enough to bite those little bunch of lies! This is just one more way for the feds to get their hands on more of OUR MONEY!! Tell them not just "no." But tell them "HELL NO!"
To Everyone who "can't afford insurance":When you no longer have cable TV, a cell phone, a TV at all, any extra pounds on your ass, and when you DO HAVE a garden in your back yard and a fit body, I will then AND ONLY THEN feel obligated to HELP you.I have no insurance, though I could afford it. I haven't seen a doctor in 33 years. I have not one ounce of fat on me. I do not eat fast food. I do have a nice garden. I do not have a TV, Much less cable TV.Your life choices cause ALL of your problems and they most certainly are not mine.
The jerk that produced that propaganda pitch is nothing more than a sleazy G D COMMUNIST!
I have the answers!! The one and only health care reform needed in the US is:SEND ALL ILLEGALS to their own homeland and SHUT DOWN THE BORDERS!
6:14, learn proper English. what the hell are you a furriner? You here? Yeah, and I'm here too but I don't HEAR nothing.
2:05 and 4:03I'm trying to understand your sad "single mom" stories and just don't get why my relative who is a single mom has no problem.She got pregnant at 16, finished school and now is in her 20's. She gets no child support. Never has. She has always supported herself and her child solely. She works 38-45 hours a week in the medical field and attends school 3-4 days a week in hopes to become a physician. All by herself.Clearly, this girl has made the right choices in life. She is an amazing woman. She learned at a young age that she was the only one she could depend on so she had to make a choice. She could live in poverty or make something out of her life. Everyone in America has the same chance to make something out of themselves. This is America for christ sake! People who make the wrong choices in life have to understand the consequences of those choices.I'm curious what choices in life your single moms have made to get them into the position they are in. Do they have too many kids than they can take care of or what?Off that subject..why doesn't the government simply open up the state borders and allow people to go across state lines to get insurance. Wouldn't there be more competition in rates? Or, are you people who want this to pass just looking for a handout for yourself and others?
7:09 You are my hero!
7:09PM - you should deny yourself internet access, since you are denying yourself so many other things that apparently make you feel superior, otherwise, your heart rate will rise, you will get high blood pressure, suffer an aneurysm and then we will be forced to pay for your long term care. And, I DO have a nice garden, and I AM physically fit. I think you need some mental help there, buddy.
7:11------------You are right on. That's exactly the kind of propaganda the Soviets used to oppress their people for 70years. See how well that worked out for them. You bunch of Obama worshipers need some remedial history lessons. Quick
708 - Since you invoked my name, please provide an example of my doing what you accused someone else of doing and doing something I do.704 - First, learn about paragraphs. Second, your opinion is suspect because of your numerous typos (or typo's, if you're more comfortable with that.) I understand that drool on the plastic keys of your keyboard can make them slippery, but still. Finally, is it "health care" reform, or "health insurance" reform? Democrats have said it both ways, and it obfuscates the debate when they keep switching subjects. Personally, I'm trying to clarify matters. The Democrats certainly aren't doing it. ("It's all things to all people" doesn't count as clarification.)700 - Read (or re-read) my link above regarding Obama's comments on his grandmother, if you think that under Democrat rules "cost of treatment" won't be the primary criterion for said treatment.
OMG!!! we are in trouble...
They don't get it 7:32! The only thing I can figure is they have no common sense. What kind of person does not see the problems these programs have? I'm stunned.Not to change the subject but, there is a bad wreck near the old Green's Marina on 114. A truck is upside down in the road with truck parts thrown all about.
Hey 7:29-------Kiss my ass. I deny myself nothing, and my choices aren't yours to make, considering I ask nothing of you or anyone else.If you think I consider myself superior, it only means you consider yourself inferior. Otherwise you would be my equal. You are not. F you.
Here's the deal. Stay out of my life. Stay out of my death. Neither of those things concerns you, nor do yours concern me. The world ain't runnin out of people and Darwin was spot on.Get over it.
Well folks, we have not solved the health care issue, but we HAVE done one thing:Made Barry's Blog interesting for HIM.........Way to go folks!!He does need the ratings up against the Mess...........
Yes I am a crazy lib. I want all people in my country to have access to medicall care. I don't care if they are here legally or not. The thought of a child suffering in this great country is not acceptable. I am shocked at the number of "Christians" that feel this way. I am proud to live in a place where anyone gets treatment at an ER and strongly feel they should be able to go to a dr before their symtoms are so severe. I bet had the right been around when the good Samariton found his victim on the road they would have asked for his citizenship papers and left him to die if he was not from their country. Then they would have passed a law making it illegal to lay on the road injured.
8:08, Quit drinking and go to bed. You have missed the point.
If national management is the way to go why is Fed-Ex and UPS still rockin right along while USPS is in the crapper.I don't know about ya'll but I think most folks will work harder to make a profit based company efficient than one led by a liberal weenie that thinks everyone deserves a handout.Can't something as simple as a free market system fix this mess? If an insurance company doesn't have a good premium to coverage ratio, DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY! If an employer doesn't offer the type of health care you think they should, don't work there. WE are simply a country with some screwed up financial priorities. We borrow all the money we can in order to drive a 40k dollar vehicle and live in a 200k dollar home and wear 100 dollar jeans but we think the government owes us free healthcare.I used to laugh when I watched that movie "Idiocracy", Its starting to hit a little to close to home and I can't bring myself to laugh anymore.
8:28 it is red wine & therefore good for you
Wow, stick figures sure caused quite a stir. I wonder if 10% of the commentors actually viewed the video idea.
8:08 Who do you expect to pay for all these great things?
Great job BG, this video is spot on..Wingers always point to the postal system (poor whipping boys). Try to have someone come to your house pick up something and deliver it across country for less than a soda. Really, why are the wingers so damn angry all the f'n time. Do you really think the health insurance companies give a shit about you, NO they don't, send them their money and leave them the hell alone....
If the post office is well ran business I don't need you running mine.The illegal's of every kind are ruining this country.They won't marry anymore because medicare won't pay.The rest just tack their bill onto we that have coverage.DAGO
855 - According to their own Cost and Revenue Analysis reports, the USPS lost money 7 of the last 9 years. ($2.8 billion in 2008 alone.) The USPS is supposedly self-sufficient. I wonder how they make up the shortfall? How do they stay in business?For the record, I like the Post Office, but a model of government efficiency it is not.
8:08 Everyone does have access to medical care! How can you say they don't?
My husband has a decent job for the education he has, and we have insurance through his employer. We have three kids and it scares the crap out of me to think what might happen is any of them get sick. We have the insurance but I am too afraid to use it cause it just drains an empty pot of money we don't have. I am super confused on what to want here. Even after watching the video you only see one side of what will happen. So has this guy posted a video on the negative of an insurance reform??
The USPS is a red herring. The USPS subsidizes the last mile delivery. You really think "profitable" FedEx or UPS would deliver mail to every address that the USPS delivers to?The reason those two are profitable is they only go after the lucrative markets, leaving the rest behind.USPS isn't designed to be efficient, it is designed to deliver mail to lots of addresses in backwards counties like this one.
"Free your mind! And the rest will follow...." I love that song, Barry! Now back to reading commits, Just saw your "marque" and had to reply.
Good Lord! Health care has gotten everybody riled up tonight! Geez. Mine's running out the 1st of September and yeah I'm scared, but hey, it'll be ok.
As the owner of a uterus, I find it HILARIOUS that the same people who spent eight years wanting to control everything that goes on up in there suddenly are screaming about too much government involvement in healthcare. Gawd, you people were obsessed with controlling women's private parts just the other day! Hypocrites.
12:27 - good points. I've thought the same thing many times. Jerks.
What galls me is those stupid commercials on tv SELLING drugs of all sorts to the public with the warnings. How many folks would ACTUALLY check with their doctor as the commercials suggest?My doctor would probably throw his stethoscope at me and run out of the room.The drug industry spends big bucks trying to get us hooked on meds.
I love Karl Marx.
12:27Get over yourself. Nobody is concerned with your privates. Just concerned with giving every human being the right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.Appartently, you are not so concerned.
1. It seems a big theme throughout the video is that if it's essential then it should be provided for by the government. Well food and shelter is essential but I don't see anyone trying to pay for that for me.2. The video insists that since the big insurance comapnies take out 10 - 20 cents per dollar for profit that that's bad. Well doesn't the post ofice lose about $9 billion per year? The government already manages the SS pool and isn't that going to be bankrupt in a few years?Profit is good. It creates competition. Monopolies are bad. They do not encourage efficiency. Does the post office have any competition? Nope. It's mandated by law that they do not. And they lose money every single year.
I literally wrote hundreds of words regarding what terribly strained analogies that guy tried to use but, I remembered the folks who thanked Barry for posting this-as it simplified the subject so well for them. I can make the sensible answer even simpler and won't insult your intelligence, though I will be blunt to get you attention. We are broke. The government admits this program will cost a trillion dollars over ten years. When has anything ever- in the history of ever, cost what they say it will when the government is involved? Ever? What about year eleven and those that follow? The fact that we are even contemplating this issue is baffling and shows that we have a serious problem with reality.
If you want affordable insurance, just get a fax machine...we get unwanted faxes daily. Those & vacation getaways. The fax removable number works for a week or so, then the sos. Now where the funds for them come from?? No clue!
At a town hall meeting Wednesday Sen. Jim Inhofe told Chickasha residents he does not need to read the 1,000 page health care reform bill, he will simply vote against it."I don't have to read it, or know what's in it. I'm going to oppose it anyways," he saidAh, the intellectual approach.
No matter what you believe or what political side your on, the facts are 5:15’s story and the others like it. The stories of the people who did make the right choices in life and still can’t get insurance at a decent rate. The stories of the ones who might not of always made the right choices but yet they are the ones that make our daily life possible. Our waiters, daycare workers, nail techs, hairdressers, plumbers, receptionists, nurses, auto technicians… There are Doctors that don’t have health insurance. (They however, get an awesome discount at the hospital.)That is what the reform is ultimately about. Everybody else is already taken care of. The illegals & the poor that get it for free. The people that work for a large corporations that provide group insurance. They don’t have to worry about either paying their mortgage payment or their health insurance premium. I have private insurance because my hubby’s work doesn’t carry group. NO PRIVATE INSURANCE has maternity coverage. I had to pay $8,000 when I had my daughter. I was able to pay in cash so I got a discount. The women that runs the Church daycare couldn’t pay upfront. It took her almost five years to pay it off.I could do a whole blog on true life experiences with healthcare and insurance and why a reform is needed. Not a free-system. A reform. You can’t tell me that we can’t all agree that something needs to be done for the people that make our daily lives possible that make less money than some of you but pay 10x as much in health insurance. ":)"
2:05 I find your comment rather confusing. Are you saying that ER’s do not fully treat actual emergencies? Are you saying that if an actual emergency presents itself, an ER simply runs a few tests, gives the patient a couple of pills and sends them on their way? Mmmmm…..I’m not sure what kind of ER you are going to but everyone I know who has been to the ER with an actual emergency was treated as an emergency should be. You also stated that the ER will not run important tests or perform operations. Again, that is totally false in the case of an actual emergency. What kind of fool does not know that an ER does not provide PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS? What kind of fool would even go to an ER expecting to be treated for a non-emergency? The last time I checked there was a county hospital in Fort Worth called JPS for people who cannot afford medical care anywhere else. Why aren’t these people you speak of going there?
FYI: I'm a nurse and I have great health insurance, because I work for it.
That video reminds me of the infamous "Checkers Speech" by Nixon. Yes, we have fire, water, and police. Those are run by local governments. This health plan is run by federal. Look at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the post office, etc. Those are bankrupt or on the verge of bankruptcy. Federal is headed towards the same situation as California's state government.
10:27 here is the part you and others who are for this are failing to realize. Most people who can't pay for healthcare/ins., etc. NOW are never going to pay any part of any medical bill they owe and will do the same thing even if the government reforms healthcare. If these people would pay what they owe now I bet you the system wouldn't be what it is today. You, I and everyone else who make the right choices have to pay higher premiums and medical bills because of these NON-PAYING LOOSERS. I have insurance and by no means am rich. If I can’t pay my medical bill, by god I’m no different than anyone else in this country; I would have to make payments too. That's life. Deal with it. These people choose to live life with a “POOR ME” attitude and expect everyone else to bail them out. They will never better themselves so long as you and the government keep enabling them.Instead why don’t we teach these people how to take care of themselves? How to be responsible financially, how to know what their priorities are, and most of all how to keep their dam legs shut and quit producing children they can’t take care of. Oh wait….. there are programs, etc. for this. Here’s a simple rule I like to follow. If you want something in life bad enough…it will happen.
For every struggling single mother out there you can find two who tow their own weight and buck up and take responsibility for their own. No sympathy.....it's a matter of priorities and hard work. May need a second job, may need to turn off the cable or drive an older car or buy the kids' clothes at a consignment store. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES MAKING OTHER PEOPLE CARRY YOUR BURDEN BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO STUPID...LAZY....WHATEVER.
Another Barry Green hand grenade. He simply cannot believe that nonsense.
R&R,I agree with what your saying. If you want something you have to work for it. I believe everybody should be responsible for there actions. Having worked in a Dr.s office and with health insurance, I do know for a fact that the people who have trouble paying aren't bad people. There are so many circumstances behind every story. I had patients that hadn't paid a dime on their balance in years but I could sit down with them and work out a payment arrangement everytime. Your are very right that a little knowledge goes a long way. That and a sweet, sweet smile. :)You were missing my point about the people that need a reform. I have another example but I have work to do. I don't actually work, work. I volunteer for the community as a mentor doing exactly what you said should be done. Giving people the tools to live a "decent" life. Some people really truly don't know how to do it. I'm not about hand-outs. I'm about giving people the knowledge and the tools to do it themselves. (We are looking for volunteers. I'll give you my number if your interested.)Please check back later and I will give you another reason why I believe a reform is needed. ":)"
10:33, the kind of fools that don't know/care that ER's aren't primary care facilities are the ILLEGALS! They use the ER just like their own little family clinic and I sure as hell haven't seen ANY ONE of them turned away. And it's all for FREE! See a problem there? I sure has hell do! When people go to the ER with a real emergency, guess who they sit in line behind before ever getting in to see anyone in the ER!
That little YouTube bit is rife with untrue statements and invalid comparisons, and my addressing each one would be an exercise in futility. But I will repeat a question that is simply ignored by EVERY proponent of socialized healthcare: IF IT IS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, WHY DO THE LEGISLATORS EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM IT, AND, OH, BY THE WAY, LEGISLATE THAT WE WILL ALSO, SEPARATELY, PAY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE IN A PLAN THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE REST OF US? Would you supporters please address that issue?
I remember when the USPS was a monopoly and it was still operating in the red. The mismanagement of Fanniemae and Freddie mack started our financial mess and the USPHS and VA medical have never done anything right. Do you liberal social parasites want to wish these debacles onto the rest of us? You are insane! It ain't gonna happen!
House of R, look you stupid *****, people go to the ER all the time for non emergencies and it is never free to go to the ER. They go there because they cannot afford to go to a doctor. They know they don't have to pay up front, but will be sent a bill which they won't pay. And how dare you generalize about single parenthood just because you know a single mom. Of course you are going to be against the overall good because YOU have health insurance. Everyone knows you have the brain of a gnat so you should just shut up. You are making statements that generalize when you have no facts to back them up.
Sorry to disagree with some economic illiterates trivilizing socialized medicineand spouting abject nonsense on Youtube, but the response to this video can be found here! The video’s title is “Why We Don’t Need Socialized Medicine”.
12:47 OMG...I just saw your post today! ROFLMAO!!! You just keep pulling for those people who refuse to help themselves. LOL!!!! There's a sucker born every minute.
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