He deserves life in prison or worse.There is no excuse for that.
that poor family...what a tragic, tragic story...
These stories just make me SICK!
Would you have felt the same rage if the child had been killed inside the womb instead of inside the van?
No, I would not
ANON 10:19 -This officer forgot about his child. Do you think he deserved to have one?
Thanks Greta for pointing out your hypocricy for me.
Wow, how very tragic for this family. Read the story...my belief is that this truly was an accident...do I understand it? Absolutely not. Should he be prosecuted? I don't think so, this man will pay for the rest of his life and will probbaly lose his wife. I just can't imagine the panic he felt when he realized he did not go to the daycare center. Sad, sad, sad.
An investigation should take place to ensure there was no "lover on the side" scandal which would be motive for such a horrendous event. If or when that is cleared, I say we should show the guy tremendous mercy.On an associated, extremely hot topic (and only because I educated myself based on a personal concern)fathers rarely commit homicide against their own offspring. I found several independent statistical studies which say women are 9 times more likely than men to kill their own children.
Your welcome ANON 10:27Thank you for judging me.
Betty Boop, I completely agree with you.This is so tragic. Being the mother of a 6 month old myself, I can't understand how you forget your child is in the car, but I do know accidents happen. This man's guilt will be more punishment than any court could ever impose.
Greta , I pray you never find yourself in a position of requesting mercy. You are one hard nosed female -- God be with your husband.
Sorry, if I am so hardnosed. When these things happen, I just cannot understand how someone could forget that they have a child in the car with them. A CHILD!
First time to post, But I as a mother, DO NOT understand how he forgot he had a child in the car with him. Yes you do hear of this every summer. He must have been a bit overwelmed to say the least.
Could you imagine the thought that human beings are not perfect? Imagine that some are blessed to having only ever to have made small mistakes and some are cursed to have made huge mistakes. But it's a good thing greta is not a human being and she is perfect and will never understand anything human beings have to endure.Poor child, poor family, poor guy, poor everyone involved.
Parents are "too busy" - pulled in many directions and they forget children - and the children suffer. There is something to be said about having one person responsible for the care of the children - w/o being pulled in a million other directions. If your children were your priority they would not be "forgotten." Understanding this isn't always an option - but often it is and parents make choices to work instead of have one of them care for the children full time so they can give them things etc. I agree this was probably a sad, sad accident - one he will pay for for the rest of his life. My heart breaks for this baby who died alone in this horrible way.
No, I am not perfect never said I was.You people are hilarious! You will not stand for someone to harm a child but boy, if a father is completely dumb and FORGETS that he even has a child and leaves that child in a car to die - that's okay - poor poor father.
Here's one for you. You take your child to a daycare. That daycare leaves your child in a vehicle and it dies. Would you be saying the same thing?
greta I'm with you 110%. Maybe my sunglasses or a cell phone but not one of my kids. Never!!! Yes, the guy is probably feeling horrible, but I dumb can you be?
I meant to say "how dumb can you be?"
I completely feel for this family. If the mother usually drops off the child at daycare or if the baby was sleeping or just quite I can see how this could happen. When I was younger my aunt was taking my sister and I to school once after she dropped off my sister she started to take me. The school was on her way to work and an hour later when she was 5 mins from her office I sat up in the back seat and asked if we were almost at the school. She had completely forgot that I was back there.This is tragic and I cant imagine that he will ever be able to forgive himself.
Wow 1:27. It would be wonderful if one parent could stay home and take care of the children, but unfortunately, a lot of us do not have that luxury. It takes both my husband and I just to make ends meet. And Greta, I couldn't disagree with you more strongly on this issue. I don't understand how someone could forget a child in a vehicle, but accidents do happen...every single day. And if you make children a priority, you wouldn't forget? I can't tell you how many times I've jumped out of my desk chair because I have forgotten to get my kids at school...I understand it's not on the same scale as this, but that didn't mean my children weren't a priority. I feel a lot of compassion for this father.
No matter ya'll say on here or law enforcement does to this guy, he will never ever EVER be able to forget this awful accident. His child is dead and yes he is at fault but words cannot not even express how awful he must feel. He is in his own prison of the mind for life. .357 bullet to the brai pan is probably next. Is that enough justice for ya???
How come twenty some odd years ago you never heard of this thing happening?What has changed?
2:56 - 20 years ago more often one parent or another family member (usually Grandparent) cared for the child on a full time basis. It is much more rare to hear of a stay at home parent forgetting their child. It is often the case the parent forgets the child on the way to daycare.
There has to be a whole lot more to this horrible story. How awful.And 10:19 - sad and stupid that you would drag abortion into this.Why?
My kids are grown, healthy, and nothing like this ever happened to me, thank God. I can, however see how it could happen. Anyone who thinks this could not happen to them is in denial. When you have your child strapped in a carseat, most likely in the back seat, you are thinking about the day, your job, and in this case, travelling to another town to a class. You have to concentrate on traffic, lights, stop signs, and other things that take your mind off of your sleeping child in the back seat. You probably have the radio on - listening to music, traffic report, talk radio, etc. You may only take your child to Daycare MWF or once a week, or even just for that day. Even if you take your child every day, it only takes one thought/thing to get you out of your routine. You get out of your car and follow all of the 'habits' of the day. Later, in a panic, you realize that something unthinkable happened. I've had panics like that before, that just turned out to be panics - nothing quite that major; never-the-less panics where I thought I would die. I almost cried when I heard the story and feel horrible for everyone involved.People like greta2424 will indeed find out how wrong they are one of these days - I hope nothing this serious, but one day will find they had been sitting too high up in a state of self-absorbtion. If anyone here thinks they think of their children/baby 24/7, they are not only lieing on the blog, but lieing to themselves. What's tragic is that this poor man and family will have to live with this and even worse, that people like greta2424 and others condemn him. Lack of compassion and understanding is just one more tragedy here. My heart breaks for everyone.
How horribly tragic! And all those that judge.....well....aren't you the blessed one to have never had tragedy in your life! May you always live in that bubble of yours.
I assure you, I have had major tradegy in my life and I do not live in a bubble.Thank goodness, I have never forgotten my neices or nephews in the car. I never would! They are my life and my pride and joy. All I can think of when they are with me is their safety. I drive like they are precious cargo. As they should be.I should hope everyone with children would feel the same.
1:27 here - just to clarify - by saying "If your children were your priority they would not be "forgotten." I do not mean having children a priority in your life (all well meaning parents do.) I mean making the care of children a priority in your morning/day. As the PP stated - this Dad's priority was getting to his meeting. Another Dad who did this stated he had a deadline at work and forgot his child (who also died.) Their jobs were their priority that dreaded morning.My point was if the daily caring of your child was your "job" - hence your daily priority chances of children getting forgotten would be a non issue.
It's so easy to judge a man that you no nothing about. Whatever the reason, he did not intend on leaving his child in the car. We should stop judging and show a little more compassion.
Perhaps the mother normally dropped the child off and for some reason he was going to drop her off. Maybe this was not his normal routine and he was too caught up in what he had to do. It is an absolute tragedy and I feel for him and his family. People make mistakes. I always feared doing this with my on children. I always put my purse and briefcase in the backseat by the carseat so that if I ever did get sidetracked thinking about the busy day ahead I would see my baby when I got my things out of the car. I never one time forgot but I had a system in place just in case I did.
Thank you Betty Boop, very well said. It's not that the children are not their priority, but mistakes happen DAILY!
Most people's top priority are their children. That is where there heart is but the constant chase for the almighy dollar often takes our focus of what is important. I think we are all guilty of this. With high tax rates, fuel prices at an all time high and so forth we are often forced to forced to put finances in front of our families.
I'm sorry, but you guys scare me. The guy does not deserve to share the air that I breathe. If any of you guys think this could happen to you and you still have kids, you need to take them to the nearest shelter before you do something stubid. I feel sorry for all of you.
How Very Very Sad ....Tonight I will say a prayer for the baby and the Family.May the lord open his heart and his doors for this new Angel :)
When a parent forgets their child in the car it is a horribly tragic MISTAKE and should NOT be considered a crime. This situation is no more a crime than if someone mistakenly leaves open the door to the pool resulting in a child drowning or accidentally backs over with a car a child in the driveway. People make MISTAKES that have tragic consequences. It is ridiculous that HUMAN ERROR has been criminalized.Just for the record, I have NEVER backed over, drowned or left a child in an auto. I am not a disorganized or forgetful person. I have never so much as misplaced keys, forgotten a grocery list or someone's birthday. However, the majority of my friends are VERY disorganized and double forgetful which makes me the perfect friend for them.
There you go Mzchief. You finally said. You think you're perfect. Well that came as no surprise to us blog readers!
He was charged with manslaughter yesterday.mmmmmmmmm..........
How tragic. This made me sick when I read it, both for the baby and especially for the dad. What horror he must have experienced when he realized he probably left the kid in the car.When it's something you do everyday, I can see how, if you forgot, you may not realize it until it's too late. It's not happened to me before, and I pray it never does. My dad used to turn to go to work instead of going to my school, and I'd have to remind him. He certainly didn't forget about me, because we were usually talking at the time. It was just his routine, and his body went through the actions without his mind correcting him. This is so sad. At least the baby is with God now. Hopefully the parents will be comforted with that thought.
The charge of manslaughter was probably automatic, until an investigation is complete. If it was truly an accident, hopefully the charge will be dropped. This family is going through worse pain than prison could ever cause.
§ 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.Greta2424- Of course he is charged with manslaughter, but does that mean he should be? I think we pretty much all saw it coming, but sorry hon, he won't be getting "life in prison" for manslaughter. He would be facing 2-20 if this case went to trial, but I think even then an unpredictable jury would have the compassion to do the right thing. Hopefully, it won't even get to that point. Thank God you only have nieces & nephews, and your lack of compassion won't be carrying over to future generations.
I will pray for your children. Because they need it. I am sad that you guys think this is okay.
Greta no one said that is was ok - only that he is human and that humans make mistakes. It is no different than running a stop sign and killing a passenger in your car. It is a tragic accident. You don't have children so you have no clue about all of the pressures and responsiblity that comes with parenthood. Parents love their children in a way you are unable to understand since you have not experienced it yourself. The father was in a hurry and inadvertently left the baby in the car. It's not like he meant to do it. He will suffer enough for this without the legal system getting invovled. This will haunt him for the rest of his life. That alone is far mor punishment that any jury could hand down.
Your right, I don't have children, and I wouldn't know what it would be like to be a parent. But, I am so glad a hardnosed, childless nobody like me, would take the time to remember that I have a child in the car with me.
I remember everyday that I have children in the car too...I have 3 healthy children, thankfully. But again, accidents happen everyday and unfortunately, some of those accidents claim lives.
Greta - please stop judging the man. WHo needs a legal system when you have Greta who thinks she is the judge and the jury.
greta2424 - does the 24 mean you are 24? You sound like you could be 24 since you obviously have no life experiences except for the few times you have your neice/nephew, which shouldn't even be mentioned on the same page as this story - totally irrelivant. One thing that is obvious about you is that you are so convinced that you know all that you do not listen to reason or common sense, which actually makes you quite ignorant and arrogant.I think Mary Mack put the nail on the head. I posted yesterday and came back to read more as you obviously have too. I think most people with a soul pray today that you remain childless and since you probably are not a registered voter, we thank God you will most likely never be called to serve on a jury. Please let something good come into your life and soften your heart (that is if you have one). Not many posts make me angry, buy yours absolutely infuriate me.
Greta2424, are you for real? I sure hope not.
my 2 cents:Yes, this is a very sad situation. It is unfortunate that none of us can perform our daily tasks perfectly every time. Sometimes our lack of perfection results in tragedy.The only reason 2 parents would have to work outside the home is if they WANTED to. Thats right. there is no necessity involved. If you feel that you can not make ends meet on 2 incomes, perhaps you WANT too much?I agree with those who said the man did not deserve to be punished as a criminal. If this was truly an accident, then I think the man has been punished enough by the death of his child. I dont understand how it could have happened, but it did. Why rake him (or each other) over the coals? Have an open mind. Life will be a lot easier to handle if you do.
Come on yall, back off greta alittle, we all have our choices, right?
You guys don't EVEN know me. I may not show it but, I have one of the softest hearts of anyone. I have more compassion than you will ever know for his wife and family. It breaks my heart to even think about this. I have infuriated most of you, me, not the guy who left his child in the car. Most of you assume that because I have the opinion that this type of mistake is not excusable, that I am not a human being, that I am a horrible person and that you are hoping that I remain childless. Did it ever occur to any of you that, because I feel so strongly about this, that I do care? I care that we make the mistake of letting other things consume us to the point that we forget about the things that really matter. More and more, every summer this sort of thing happens. And every summer I get angrier and angrier that it keeps happening. When are we going to learn? I am no different than anyone of you. I make mistakes all the time. No one is perfect, especially not me. Forgive me, if this type of "mistake" is something that I myself could not and would not do.
2:42 - OMG you have no idea!!! You say you COULD not or WOULD not do this. Don't you think he thought the very same thing? Do you really think that other things were consuming him to the point that his child didn't matter? Aren't you over-simplifying this? You said you feel bad for his wife and family, yet you said - aren't you the same person as 9:58 a.m. "he deserves life in prison or worse."? You couldn't possibly be feeling for his wife and family or you wouldn't have so much hatred in you to want him to spend life in prison or worse.
Like I said. I have my own opinion. You don't have to like it.
Oh.... and I have hatred?
ANON 3:31You asked, Do you really think that other things were consuming him to the point that his child didn't matter? Then, help me to understand why he would forget to drop his child off at the babysitter?
Greta - you are correct. The man that accidentally left his child in the car does not infuriate me because I have compassion. You should get some. It would go a long to help you understand that not all people are perfect nor do they claim to be. As I said in an earlier post many parents are constantly chasing the almighty dollar in order to feed their kids. If you don't understand how this could happen then you are not being realistic. It infuriates me that another human being can be so harsh and judgmental during such a tragedy.
I haven't watched the story on the news, only read the article on the blog here. Howcome everyone seems to believe it was an accident and not intentional? Just because the article said he was in a panic? I very seldom post but i do like to read this blog regularly. I dare say if it had been a puppy instead of a 5 month old baby almost every post would be much more like greta's. I may not always agree with her or other folks postings but we all have the right to our own opinions.Therefore I must say " GIVE 'EM HELL GRETA ".
8:04 you are as pathetic as Greta.
8:20is that the best you can do? why not answer the question? probably because you cant and it makes you feel good to deliver a personal attack
I didn't answer the question because it was a no brainer. The man made a mistake get off his case. Your are right you have an opinion. Unfortuante for me and the other bloggers your opinion happens to be ignorant as it Greta's.
I can not believe some of the stuff I have read on here. Is this ok or acceptable? Hell no. No one wants to see this happen. The only question that really needs to be answered is: Was this a mistake? IF NOT then he should be punished to the full extent. If it was a mistake even if his wife and family forgive him he will always know that he is responsible for the death of his child. He will have to carry that guilt and pain with him for the rest of his life. If that is not enough punishment then nothing will be.
Greta ...I enjoy your views and often agree and disagree with you. If I may ask you only one question.In a political 2 party system. Which would you be more "Linked" to? Democrat or Republican?If I may guess .. Republican ;)
What does politics have to do with the death of a child? Politics aren't the root of all evil. I am a Republican and I have compassion for this man and his family.
I am a Libertarian who VOTES Republican.I am pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro stem-cell research,anti-MADD, against cutting and running in Iraq and Afghanistan, for continued negotiations with North Korea, against inheritance tax, for ANY tax cut for ANYONE and NOT a Christian. However, I have enough understanding of human nature to realize that if an ERROR is committed that results in a tragedy it is WRONG for it to be treated as a criminal act.Incidentally, for the person who does not know the difference between INTENTIONALLY leaving a dog in an auto and ACCIDENTALLY leaving a baby in an auto you either need to give up your driver’s license or go to prison the first/next time you cause an automobile collision.
mzchiefwhat a total "wannabe rich" RAB idiot you are.while you seem to have trouble grasping the context of other postings you somehow believe that by telling all of us, in the poor huddled mass group, of just how wealthy you are(in a different post) that we should agree to your opinions on everything from what causes stretch marks on boobs to politics.thank you for helping to point out the exact things the in the post that you referenced that the post was about, that opinions are influenced by our perception of what we read. now go back to playing golf and remember to play it where it lies,there are no gimmes,no pencil whipping the scorecard, or otherwise it is cheating. And then dont post until you break 100 or you have something intelligent or useful to say.Incidentally, if you are a Libetarian and you vote Republican you are a Republican, dumbass.
Just because you dont agree, 10:55, that does not mean you should lower yourself to the level of using foul language and make assumptions about someone you dont know anything about.Mzchief is dead on.
12:38,Let me see if i can get this straight, it is ok for you and mzchief to make assumptions about anyone or anything, so you chastised me, when you ASSUMED that i knew nothing about her. maybe you should look up her post where she is bragging about her self importance and wealth and then you would actually know something about her too.i think that you, like her, are not capable of any intelligent thought process. In fact you seem to be so much like her i can only ASSUME that you are also an idiot. dumbass
you just further emphasized my point.thank you.
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