Nice Church been there. You should try Church Barry.
It doesn't take long to figure out why the GRACE OUTREACH CHURCH in Chico changed to their new name.......just a bit close to the GFC AWESOME church in Paradise.I'm still waiting to join a church that has a heated swimming pool.
I have gone to church all of my life and have faith in God, Jesus, and all that comes with that. I realize the intent of churches, other than worshipping God, is to reach out to "lost souls" but I understand Barry's skepticism. I've come to the point where going to church is pointless for me. I just am not motivated when I get around people who want to ram it down my throat that they are Christians and how wonderful it is to "fellowship" with one another and yet the women gossip and backbite each other and the men will shake your hand while you tell them you just, let's say, committed robbery, adultery, whatever...and tell you they are glad to have you and move on down the line. I'm tired of the judgementalness and people wanting the label but not willing to roll up their sleeves and get dirty. I know there are some sincere people I have gone to church with and appreciate them. But at this point in my life, I seem to see more of the formerly mentioned and I guess that just fails to motivate me to attend anymore. As a matter of fact, when I meet people outside of church that start their sermons about being a Christian, it almost sends a red flag up and I don't want to be around them. Traditional service, progressive service, yada, yada, yada...I won't even go into what an entertaining show services have become in most churches.
anon 10:30 Have you ever had a bad experience at McDonalds,Dairy Queen etc... maybe bad service etc.. Im sure you have,but I would bet you still eat out! It's funny to me when people have a bad experience at a Church and they say they will never go back. A church is a large family not all of them will be nice. We all have family memebers that tend to get on our bad side, but their still family.Maybe you should find a church that needs your help you seem to have it altogether.Most Churches could use someone like you, that's seems to know it all! Go for it
8:46I think you proved 10:30's point with your closing comments. The "know it all" comment was judgemental and uncalled for.I tend to agree with 10:30's views. I have friends AND family that have gone through divorces because of Preachers that were doing a little bit more than ministering to the lady of the house. And in my past, one of the biggest crooks I have ever met in my life happened to be a Baptist Deacon.But don't worry folks, it was in a town a long, long way from here.
We have all these religions on earth, maybe hundreds of different beliefs, each thinking they are right. And the only thing that is certain is that all of them except for possibly one has it wrong. There is only one way we got here, and there is only one truth. And for there to be so many different religions suggest that actually NOBODY has it right, and mankind is just fishing for some sort of explanation for existence. The only fact that is indisputable in the whole religious world is that there was a point back in time when it all started. There had to be. But beyond that is total guesswork. If a giant meteor hit, or Yellowstone finally erupted, or one of those solar surges that happens every couple hundred million years wiped out all life on the surface, would there still be a God?
Wow! Some insightful comments on religion! Maybe there is intelligent life accessing this blog. BTW - the planet has been here some 4.5 billion years. The most primitive life forms only appeared some 500 million years ago. 95%+ of all previous life forms are now extinct. The presence of humans is dependant upon billions of past events any one of which would have made us impossible. The planet may last another 5 billion years but extinctions will continue - with humans almost certainly one of them. Is that Gods plan? I dunno, but have a nice day anyway.
I have a friend who got involved with her pastor once -- both parties were married. I can't quite grasp it...if my pastor even looked at me with a "hey, now!" it'd FREAK ME OUT.
9:33Yes, there would be a God, or at least that is what I believe.Religion, on the other hand, would not. The next version of man would have an oppurtunity to create their own beliefs, ceremonies and "rules" for how to live a proper spiritual life.I totally believe in God. What I don't believe in is the "religions" that man has created to explain his reason for being here on Earth, and what happens to your spirit upon your death.The facts are, one is born into a religion. You are Jewish because your parents are Jewish. You are Muslim because your parents are Muslim. You are Christian because your parents are Christian. And that my friends is the way your religious beliefs are truly formed.
10:30 - I really appreciate your honesty. Many times I feel the same way and just don't rush to worship services as I once did.These days a lot of it is about getting enough folks in to look good on the books.When I go, I just take what I like and leave the rest............and I'm leaving more and more.
10:50 I believe you may "totally" believe in God; however, I disagree with your contention that a person is whatever religion the parents happen to be. Mine were nominal Christian (tho I'm not certain if my great grand-parents were Jewish). I claim to be human but of no formal religion. Other people are "born" into some religion and morally choose another. In my humble opinion religion has long outlived its usefulness and has become the root of much of what ails modern society. But that's just me talking, not God, whom I suspect you have a better line to.
Very interesting in the church ad about the "unproductive" that they hope to reach.The unproductive just could be those inside the church.Churches these days have too much emphasis on worship (hoop te do) and too little emphasis on evangelism (outreach).
Why are there so many anonymous postings on this site?
I think it's funny that if you go on Sunday, you get the AWESOME nursery, but on Wednesdays, it's jut regular nursery.
1:47 - They are just borrowing more lingo from the world to entice folks into the church.Cheap.
It seems like people shop for a church like they shop for a car or something like that. They look at the building, is the music good or entertaining, is the preacher boring or entertaining and the name of the church etc. But I hardly know of anyone who looks at the doctrine and is concerned about whether it is true.
Wow you people get so Judgemental from a Ad? Wow smart people.
God bless them for trying.What a bunch of cynics on this blog!
There have been numerous documented cases of children that have been molested, raped, and abused in various other forms by there school teachers......Maybe we should abolish the education system......or spread rumors that all teachers are pedophiles. If that doesn't seem like a good idea to you, then maybe you should think twice about grouping all ministers together with comments like"one of the biggest crooks I have ever met in my life happened to be a Baptist Deacon."
Good word - "unproductive" - likely targeted at the pew sitters who come for entertainment rather than evangelism.
10:42 - A little logic, please. The earlier poster claimed only "one of the biggest crooks I have ever met in my life happened to be a Baptist Deacon." He didn't say ALL. In the same way when you point out that "some" teachers have violated children, it in no way implies that ALL teachers violate children. I suggest that you don't over-generalize and don't take one event and assume it applies to all other events. Just a little logic, please.
10:42 does have a point though. More often then not, when the topic of church, or religion is brought up in conversation, or in a blog there are usually alot of negative statements, or previous bad experiences brought up. It is as if the majority of the people(or bloggers)would rather dwell on the negative issues related with religion rather than the positive ones.
I wrote the 10:30 comment. I am not angry, disillusioned, or depressed about religion and the role of church in it. I am not sitting around dwelling on the way my perspective of church has changed. I simply wrote that I understand Barry's skepticism. I don't know about Barry but I have had enough positive experience with my spirituality and its applications that I can worship in other ways and be motivated otherwise. All the people in church that have tried to sell me Arbonne and Extreme Energy or whatever have about burned me out on the Sunday morning sources. I do sometimes worry about the people who have never had a relationship with God and decide to try church and that they will run into the same situations I have. I wonder what they go away thinking.
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