9.24.2009

Still Trying To Figure Out . . .

. . . if this is huge news or typical government over-hype. Developing.

Edit: I can't tell you how much this is EXACTLY like an episode reported on NPR's This American Life. In today's news, you have a nutcase that hates America but with no support group and no real means to do any damage. So the FBI meets with him, invests a ton of time and effort, gets him to talk about how much he wants to blow stuff up, and then supplies him with a fake car bomb that the guy could never put together himself.

In that This American Life episode, it was the same thing but with a fake hand held missile that the government provided instead of a fake car bomb. It's all part of the government's new role of being pro-active in stopping terrorism. But things are not always as they seem. Instead of catching those which might do us harm, they spend time chasing those who, although they have evil intentions, are so inept and isolated that they could never pull anything off (in addition to being ignorantly oblivious to the fact they are in the middle of a sting operation.) I know none of you will listen to the hour long episode of This American Life. I understand. But it was so eye opening for me, I've listened to it twice.

33 comments:

Xanthippas said...

Well, the criminal complaint makes it sound like the FBI was all over this guy from the beginning. That's not to say he might not have eventually figured out a way to commit a real terrorist attack, since he seemed quite determined about it.

Anonymous said...

As dumb as he is there is no hope;whack him,next?DAGO

Anonymous said...

Reality is that people cannot be all places at all times....just try to keep sensitive and if something seems strange, make a note of it, so on and so forth....

......America - the land of the free............and the brave.......emphasis on brave.......

Anonymous said...

Instant death penalty. BG - he does have means to do damage. He is willing to die! This makes him a valuable weapon to terrorists. Contrary to popular belief, most terrorists are not willing to die as they are mainly cowardly sheep. My erradicating him, we are taking a weapon out of the terrorists hands. Guaranteed that he will not have the opportunity to try again if he is dead.

Anonymous said...

I get the This American Life Podcasts and listen to them. That one you are talking about was interesting. The guy they investigated was so surprised all the stuff was working out for him so well! They also took a really long time to "facilitate" his ability to get a missile. He would have never done it if they hadn't of made it so easy for him.

What about the people that are providing the weapons instead of the middle men who aren't in the middle of anything?

If you are not a drug dealer can you be arrested for not dealing drugs? Until the authorities give you a deal you can't refuse?

This American Life = smart radio

Anonymous said...

How do you decide who is inept and who would actually blow the building up?

How would Tim Mcveigh have been classified?

Was he inept?

Wasn't he just an "Average Joe"?

Terry and he had no qualms about buying the neccessities.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you stupid liberal, worry yourself silly about not getting it just right each and every time. Now guess how many times you get to get it wrong. Just once will do it.

Jeez, he was here illegally and expressed desire and intent. Fry him. No regrets. No big loss.

The world ain't runnin' out of people.

Or maybe you would like for ACORN to put him on the payroll?

Thanks a lot, Butt-Head

Anonymous said...

Hey, if I make a deal with an undercover officer to sell him a kilo of cocaine, then he pays me and I deliver powdered sugar, will I be arrested? If so, on what grounds?

Anonymous said...

YOU ARE A LIBERAL DUMBASS. A complete fool.

Anonymous said...

Barry, I really, really, don't understand you and how you can be so flippant when it comes to things like this...if you had someone in your immediate family killed in the World Trade Center, would you still be so flippant? Fear can be a healthy thing when used in a positive way. You have no idea who this guy was or what he was capable of doing.

Isn't it better that they do these investigations and prevent another attack? Why do you carry insurance? Are you afraid you will get sick or be in a car accident? Isn't it better to have it and not need it? Why don't you drop all of your insurance and just not live in fear? Maybe not the best analogy, but do you see the point?

Why are you so scared that the government is doing too much to keep us safe?

Do you really believe those things you say, or do you just like to see how many hits you can get on this blog?

Anonymous said...

Barry your statement implies terrorist should be smart. I guess they think rationally too! If someone intends on doing harm and the government has to create a situation to complete the crime to show intent, so be it. One less threat. Even if he was alone, if that bomb had been real we would be talking about 100's of dead folks in north Texas tonight. And all of the liberal whiners would be bashing law enforcement for not doing enough. You better get use to these news stories. As Obama strips our military and holds hands with the terrorist this is just the tip of the iceburg.

Anonymous said...

I am so glad conservative wanker wringers are not dumbasses and so smart they know everything. Oh, and not fool's either. And are not influenced by talk radio that is based on truth and nothing made up.

The Barnstomer said...

Barry,
Maybe he would have done something if were supplied with real bombs, maybe not. I do know one thing..I like this headline as apposed to the real deal of a blown up downtown Dallas. Take your pick. It's all or nothing with these guys...and I'll take the "all" and leave nothing. At least thats how the FBI looks at in handling this case. Take'em all the way and see if its in him to destroy and be pleasured of the potential destruction and death of innocents. If so, then he doesnt deserve to walk freely in any society.

Take your pick Barry..All or nothing.

The Barnstomer

Kip said...

I immediately thought of that episode too. It seems to me, what we have here, is a dumb-assed kid, who was led right into this. Entrapment is wrong, even if this kid had delusions of becoming a "jihadist". Out of balanced people are easily swayed. Just look at any tea-bag hoedown and read some of the signs. It won't be long before these American Taliban start there own jihad.

Simpleton in Slidell said...

Barry, you are so right. The FBI should have just left this guy alone on the hope he was so inept he would never figure it out. Why even spend the time to deal with people who WANT to kill thousands of people. Let's just wait to catch the terrorists who pull it off and then spend years and money debating their rights and who gets to do what.

If the NPR is so freaking smart, let them run Homeland Security and push government healthcare through.

Anonymous said...

If this guy is illegal, how was he working at the Shell Station ?

Kip said...

Slidell simpleton, Nobody mentioned NPR except you. Now if you had disparaged PRI, we could talk.

I didn't think Barry was saying that we should not deal with nut-bag religious freaks, because we should. But at the same time, we shouldn't discriminate as to which nutty religion we choose to investigate.

Diderot was correct!

Anonymous said...

Hey Barry, I think you got it exactly right on this one. BTW, obviously I'm glad that no one got hurt, no property was damaged, and a dangerous person was arrested. But, this wasn't a coordinated attack backed up by a sophisticated network of terrorists. This was a pissed off kid who got everything he needed handed to him by the FBI. I see this as a big PR stunt by the FBI.

If you don't agree with me then think of it this way. The first terrorist attack during Obama's watch was stopped. The first terrorist attach during GWB's watch resulted in 9/11. Now who makes us more safe? Happy Friday to all!!!

Anonymous said...

Investigating journalism not part of the cable news model, blogs or slanted opinion outlets.

You find investigative journalism in newspapers, some news magazines, and NPR. This American Life does an extraordinary job of taking some of those investigations and presenting them in an interesting, informative and unique style. TAL is not always newsworthy, but when it is, the show is extraordinarily good! Smart, thought provoking and well worth the hour to listen.

I also recommend you listen to the TAL program called 'The Fix is In' about the Informant and then you will want to see the movie. (True inside story about global price fixing.)

Anonymous said...

I think you're all nuts for giving terrorism a second thought, because any kid can get on the internet and learn how to build a bomb and any group can infiltrate anywhere they want to any time they want. Homeland "Security" is a joke, because they can't be everywhere at once. So, my motto is....live life, have fun, and don't worry about it. When the bomb falls, I'll die...pure and simple, but I won't have wasted alot of time worrying about the "what-ifs" in the meantime. When it happens, it happens...you're dead, end of game.

Anonymous said...

If McVeigh and co. could build a fertilizer bomb that killed 168, injured 680 and damaged 324 buildings in a 16 block radius, i'm OK with the FBI shadowing a few kids.

I would not have thought a couple of misfit teenagers could get automatic weapons and kill 12, injure 21 at Columbine High school but they did.

As Joe Friday once said, "if we knew what the criminals look like it would make our job a whole lot easier."

Even the inept are successful every now and then.

Anonymous said...

9:42, you're an idiot. plainly

Simpleton in Slidell said...

Kip, if you read Barry's post you would see he mentioned NPR.

On the other hand, I didn't mention religion but you did. Maybe if we didn't disparage religion but left it at dealing with individuals we could talk.

Jesus was correct.

Anonymous said...

Good post 950 !

Anonymous said...

8:53,

"The first terrorist attack during Obama's watch was stopped. The first terrorist attach during GWB's watch resulted in 9/11. Now who makes us more safe?"

Are you really that big of a dumbass that you believe that?

Would you admit that you are comparing two totally different situations?

I feel much less safe under Obama. Not even close.

Anonymous said...

10:02...I think you're the idiots for spending so much time and energy worrying, cussing, and discussing things you have no control over. What happens happens, and there's no point in fretting over it ahead of time. That's even Biblical...check it out.

Kip said...

Sorry Simpleton, you were correct about the NPR thing.

Religion is responsible for a high percentage of terrorism, that's why I brought it up. And Jesus was correct a lot of the time, I just wish Christians would act like him.

Anonymous said...

We will be hit again, doesn't matter if Obama or McCain was president, or whomever the next president might be. There are plenty of folks that wish to attack the US and they could care less if they blow up libs or cons, and it certainly doesn't matter that the current admin has shifted gears on Foreign Policy.
My point is that the hate is still there, the intent is still there, and we still have rogue nations in this world willing to fund it. These same folks will also be reveling in the street, burning flags and effigies once it happens. What I am starting to learn by reading comments from blogs like this, and watching news reports, is that there will also be plenty of folks right here in the US, in Texas, and in Wise County that will have jubilation in their hearts once it happens. This is what scares me! I apologize in advance for being a simpleton and caring for my fellow countrymen, all shapes, sizes, genders, races, colors and creeds of them.

Anonymous said...

Kip...Do you wish Muslims would act like Muhammad as well? Or is the onus simply on Christians to act appropriately in this world?

Simpleton in Slidell said...

Kip, I'm with you on Christians acting like Christ.

Anon 1:43, the onus is on me as a Christian to act Christ-like regardless of what someone else does. My reward is not of this world but one God has awaiting me. Our focus isn't on the good life now. In my reading of the word, it is clear to me that Christians can and should expect persecution of all kinds. Several of the apostles were killed for being Christ-followers and we may soon face a day that is similar. My hope is that I will not fade but to remain Christ-like no matter what comes my way.

Anonymous said...

"The Anus?"

Anonymous said...

this will be used as another attempt by the liberals to take more of the law abiding citzens here in america

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