Let me continue to rant on "rulings" by the Medical Examiner. Heck, it probably was accidental. And so far there is no evidence of foul play or suicidal tendencies. (notes, evidence of depression, health issues). But how can a doctor rule it accidental by simply looking at the bodies? A criminal investigator may make that conclusion, but how in the world can you reach that conclusion just because you performed an autopsy? He knows the death was by carbon monoxide poisoning but that's all he knows.
Edit: Ok, after a few comments from the haters, here's this scenario. Tomorrow I'm found dead on my couch with my car running in the garage. Accident or suicide? Or would the best conclusion be "undetermined."
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9.25.2009
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Let me continue to rant on "rulings" by the Medical Examiner. Heck, it probably was accidental. And so far there is no evidence of foul play or suicidal tendencies. (notes, evidence of depression, health issues). But how can a doctor rule it accidental by simply looking at the bodies? A criminal investigator may make that conclusion, but how in the world can you reach that conclusion just because you performed an autopsy? He knows the death was by carbon monoxide poisoning but that's all he knows.
Edit: Ok, after a few comments from the haters, here's this scenario. Tomorrow I'm found dead on my couch with my car running in the garage. Accident or suicide? Or would the best conclusion be "undetermined."
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Did you graduate from law school or medical school? I'm confused?
So the medical examiners office doesn't confer with the criminal investigator about the scene, and how the bodies were found?
Really Barry? You seem to know alot about Forensic science....Oh wait...you are a lawyer! Maybe you need to catch a few more episodes of CSI......
Maybe they can tell how quickly or slowly the carbon monoxide was absorbed in to the bodies.
Ever think of that, genius?
Oh, that's right. Lawyers know everything.
Retard.
Don't be a dick all your life, Barry.
The medical examiners office has the last say and is also the one to sign the death certificate which will have the cause of death on it, they also determine if the person was bound by force...and they will always talk to the investigators in order to make there conclusion... I don't think a medical examiner would just rule an accident on a whim. It just means his process determined no evidence of foul play!
my thoughts extactly. how can the ME make a determination on what happen and he/she never even invetigated the crime scene or did any forensic work?
stupid people
Just because the medical examiner concludes "accident" doesn't mean he is the only one to conclude that! He is given facts from investigators!
8:55AM Really what do you think an autopsy is? FORENSIC SCIENCE
Gosh Barry,if everyone hated me like they do you I'd guess I'd go commit suicide.
Fortunately everyone loves me, so enough about me,now let's talk about you and hear what you have to say about me.
I think the Texas Rangers ultimately made the "accidental death" ruling.
My gosh, two wonderful loving people died.
Why do we have to get into details anyway?
Somebody send Barry a good book to read. Like Playboy.
Don't you absolutely hate it when someone thinks they know the law and they are not a lawyer? You really shouldn't judge, you are not a medical examiner.
See---NOBODY likes lawyers. Friggin know it all blood sucking leeches.
9:10, I shot milk out my nose. Ha. Classic.
Barry, this just shows how stupid you really are
I agree with you Barry, please don't kill yourself tonight.
Can you feel the love?
Dont' worry, Barron. After you kick the bucket, I'll make sure these morons don't hang your bullet-riddled burning corpse upside down on the square.
But would it be okay if I propped you up on a board and charged folks a quarter to gawk at you, like they did Old West outlaws?
Triple Fake Dr. Feelgood, ME
Update states that ACCORDING TO the Medical Examiner's office. That means someone asked them and that is what they answered. Update does NOT say death was ruled accidental BY the Medical Examiner's office.
Better pay better attention to the prepositions that are used!
Although he's not always right, BG is right on this. A ME can determine cause of death from examining a body. Not necessarily motive, intent, etc.
A dead man with a fractured skull found on the front lawn could be 1) homocide (struck with object); 2) accident (fell off roof); or 3) suicide (jumped head-first off roof). The ME's job is to determine cause of death (skull fracture/blunt force trauma) based on the body, not an opinion of criminal intent, suicide, or something else based on all the evidence gathered or yet to be gathered.
Don't FORENSIC SCIENCE have somethin to do with trick f"n in the back seat of a volkswagon?(sp)
Anyway ladies I'll give free breast exams at Frilly's tonite after 9:00 pm.
I love you Barry. Don't die.
Tarrant Co ME has Medical Investigators that usually go to the scene and looks at the bodies and photographs the scene before the bodies are moved.
Accident.
If we accept the modern's argument that there are right and wrong answers, we will choose one.
If we accept the postmodern's argument that everything is an opinion with varying shades of gray, we can assume one.
Either way, you are far too obstinate to take your own life. Accident it is.
hey 9:47---homocide? Is that being killed by a homo?
Two people are deceased and family and friends are mourning the loss. The words in a ruling aren't going to bring these folks back to life.
Get off the technicalities and show some heart.
The angry mob is out to get BU-Bear, today and all this time I thought the feces flingers hated me the most. I will do my best to offer some cover by providing a few FACTS!
Typically, it is the responsibility of the Medical Examiner to determine the cause and manner of death.
Cause: Illness or Injury
Manner: Natural or Violent
Natural deaths are caused by illness/disease. Non-natural deaths caused by injury are sub-classified as either accident, homicide, suicide or undetermined.
In the instance of the Worley's, the fact they were found collapsed, after succumbing to asphyxiation resulting from carbon monoxide poisoning, sprawled on the floors of different rooms rather than, as is typical in suicides, deliberately seated or reclined, it is reasonable for the ME to declare their deaths, accidental. Barry's scenario of being reclined on a sofa would make it more difficult for the ME to rule the death an accident.
I still wonder if they had one of those autos that can be remotely started by pushing a single button on the key fob and unknowingly pushed the button.
Hey BG,
I don't know you personally, but I've got to admit that even when I don't agree with everything posted on your blog, I'm a big fan and check to see what's new on here everyday. I'm really surprised at the volume and ugliness at your negative comments today. For all their apparent dislike of you, they must be fans too or why would they bother reading your blog in the first place?? lol I'm sure glad that you don't suffer any confidence issues and prevail despite the criticism, I'd miss your blog if they ran you off! And I suspect the haters would too! lol
Anyone catch that Ole Miss/South Carolina game last night?
Hey Barry,
If you need to borrow my donut to sit on, just let me know.
Double Fake Dr. Seymour Butz
No, in the case of the Texas Rangers, I think it was assisted suicide, because they enlisted other teams to help them...oh, wait, I'm thinking of the sporty-type Rangers
If you wind up accidental kilt - try to make sure you're not sitting there in your skivvies, with your hand in a bag of Cheetos, and the TV tuned to the nekkid stuff channel. Folks might assume you was raised in Chico or somethin'. (Just kidding there, neighbors)
Annnnywaaay, I bet ol' BG takes all this flak with a grain of salt. Plus, I figure it's not so much directed at him as it is a sort of hatin'-clearance Friday. Everybody is venting their spleens today, because there probably won't be much to complain about on this here blog until Monday ('cept for the bootball scores). They can't say these things out loud at home - they'd get whacked upside the head with a frying pan
Have a happy football!
Triple Fake Blackeyed Pea
Hey Barry, the ruling is pretty important. One simple reason, money. Insurance companies usually don't pay in the event of a suicide. Undetermined, that could be iffy when the suicide is undetermined, probably get held up by insurance Lawyers for a few years. Rule it an accident, family gets insurance money, Period over and done. And if the folks had no suicidal tendencies, they were in the house, in seperate rooms (Couple suicide most likely would have been together huddled up), dressed liek they were going somewhere? Hey warming up the car and made mistake. ACCIDENT, they get paid. Anything else and money gone or held up for years.
In YOUR case, it would not be accidental. You are about 50 years old, you do not have any signs of Alzheimer's (you remember old stories and you are up on current events). You're in good shape physically (ie: running), so there's not any hardening of the arteries.
Are you sad today? Did you just break up with anybody? Are you distressed about the Baylor Bears or Bridgeport Bulls scores? Probably not.
My guess for your scenario??? MURDER. It was one of your unhappy readers.
mzchief: I own a Buick w/ the remote starting feature, and it turns itself off if the key is not inserted in the ignition within, I believe, 10 minutes. I don't know if they all work the same way. I would think the engine would have to run longer than that to make the whole house toxic, but that's just a guess.
Oh man that's horrible...you own a Buick?
who would care
Somehow I get the inclination that some of the commentors on here as well as BG wish that it had been a suicide.
Hey TF Blackeyed Pea, I'm from Chico,eat Cheetos,watch movies nekked too. Wanna see my RING-OF-HONOR???
Left-handed John Holmes( I can change hands & gain a cheeto)
Hey MScrap, why don't you reenact it at your house and we will all try to determine if it was suicide or "homocide." The city of RAB would pay all expenses - take the money from the city's permanant improvement fund!
Sorry Barry but if you were the victum (rhythms with rectum), it would definately be murder. I pity the poor investigator that had to untangle that list of suspects.
Sorry there Left-handed John Holmes, but I mentioned wearing skivvies (and I wasn't even talking about myself anyway), and you are doing your dirty deed in the buff
Besides, I don't swing that way...not that there's anything wrong with that
I must say, I was going to avoid this discussion until I saw the phrase "rhythms with rectum." As a writer, how can I not stand up and cheer for that inadvertent poetic turn?
What a mess! These people died of carbon monoxide poisoning. Intentional or accidental? Who knows at this point? BTW - the officer said he smelled carbon monoxide - however as far as I know - it's odorless. Whatever - much remains unknown or undiscovered.
That's high praise coming from a wordsmith like you Kyle but it wasn't inadvertent. Any talent that I have comes from the same source that fuels idiot savants.
Hey Barry,
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