10.31.2006

The Politics of Dancing . . . Or Quotes

John Kerry, the former almost president, found himself in hot water today for saying the following when speaking of college students: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." There's no way he can talk his way out of that. He called the troops dumb - no way around it - and that's a battle that can't be won in the court of public opinion. But Bush didn't help his cause by responding with "the members of the United States military are plenty smart." (youtube.com clip here.)

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you John F'ing Kerry. This is the October surprise that the Republican party needed to galvanize the base. You really let us know how you feel about the military. And to think you were almost the Commander in Chief.

Anonymous said...

well, let's see. i wonder how many of those young men and women joined solely for the purpose of getting an education because they were seduced into believing that story. sorry but it's the truth. rich men's kids aren't in Iraq, they're in college. poor people make good cannon fodder.

Anonymous said...

The short clip seems to say that. Watch the 2 minute one - it is clear he is talking about Bush.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:46, You need to stop watching CNN for your news. The reinlistment rate is very high because these fine men and women that you also call stupid are there to do a job they believe in.

Anonymous said...

11:06 - they recruit many of low educational achievement and mental ability then promise them "training" and "education" usable in their civilian careers. Yeah, if there are lots of jobs shooting M16's or being prison guards or police or truck drivers. Of course there are many intelligent soldiers but many more are young, impressionable youths with no real job or life history. After they trap them in the military for a first term, the military dupes them into re-enlisting with cash payment and promises of schools and assignments that sound good, but turn out to be less than advertised. The troops seldom complain because to do so shows poorly on their buddies and on their own choices. So the poor kids go back and forth to Iraq while the rich kids stay in college and find safe high-paying jobs.

Anonymous said...

As I said, You need to quit watching CNN

Anonymous said...

12:23, I know a Lt. Colonel who is now serving in Iraq who graduated from West Point that is leading his troops into battle everday to preserve your freedom to call him stupid, that would like a minute of your time in a dark alley.

Anonymous said...

Can I get me one of them hunting license here?

wordkyle said...

This is a stand-alone issue: Kerry insulted the members of the military.

Anything anyone else says (including Bush) is not relevant to the issue. People should decide for themselves how they react to Kerry's words.

Anonymous said...

BUSH IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHEN SOMEONE CALLS HIM STUPID

LMAO

Anonymous said...

Wordkle:
What a good republican lap dog you are. What Kerry said was correct no matter how you twist it. The same was true for Vietnam when the first ones sent before the draft were mostly inner city troubled kids. I kind of wish you had the enough balls to go over there and fight instead of hiding here in wise county. Heck I will even go buy one of those yellow magnets for you and hang it on my car.

Anonymous said...

11:06 It's stop loss stupid

BUSH IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHEN SOMEONE CALLS HIM STUPID

and so are his supporters.

mzchief said...

AMAZING!
I would have thought a member of the Democrat leadership would have known how to better keep their TRUE feelings to themselves. In light of the FACT Kerry made WORSE grades at Harvard then Bush made at Yale, Kerry's EXCUSE for having said the troops are stupid losers just does not wash.

Clearly John Kerry still has unresolved ISSUES dating to his days in Vietnam. Like EVERY other political ELITIST he believes he and his party can better care for Americans than Americans can care for THEMSELVES.

Kerry is just ANOTHER pompous power whore who let his mask slip while in public.

Anonymous said...

6:27 - I couldn't agree more, but John Kerry is just as stupid as Bush.

I'd like to give a woman a shot at the Presidency.

It's past time.

wordkyle said...

Anon 6:28 AM: How in the world is what came out of Kerry's mouth Republicans' fault? Did Karl Rove trick Kerry into saying it? If Rove's that good, then the election's in the bag for the Republicans.

Kerry's backpedaling as fast as he can. Why not just stand up for what he said? Why try to put it off on others as a "GOP trick?" I guess it's hard to take a position when you have no spine.

P.S. You don't know as much about me as you think you do.

Anonymous said...

All one has to do to clearly understand that Kerry's comment was in reference to the President rather than our troops is to listen to the entire speech leading up to it. Everything he says, leading up to the "sound bite" we are being fed, is about the President. He is saying that our President didn't learn much while he was in college, and as a result, didn't have any sense of the culture and history of the Middle East which has gotten him and the rest of us stuck in Iraq. I have said that about the President myself in previous comments long before Kerry said it. If you want to believe otherwise, fine, however anyone with common sense, and not blinded by their loyalty to our President, knows better. In any case, Kerry and his comments are irrelavent to this election, and Bush and his followers are just trying to find something they can hang their hat on to try to turn this upcoming election around. We'll see in six days what most think of our President's current policies and of those in Congress who continue to support him. If one is to believe in the polls, there is a change in the political wind in much of the country.

Anonymous said...

Libs win polls, Republicans win elections. Thank you John Kerry. He wasn't satisfied that he lost in 04, now he wants to make sure the libs lose in 06.

Anonymous said...

Listen to the whole speach. He was NOT talking about the troops. He was talking about Bush. And, upon reflection, his is absolutely right on!

Nice try at Swiftboating...

Anonymous said...

Good thing he doesn't make his living by recording and selling music!!

Anonymous said...

Good thing he doesn't make his living by being Commander in Chief.

mzchief said...

IF Kerry was saying the reason U.S. troops are in Iraq is because Bush did not apply himself while at Yale then how the BLOODY HELL would Kerry have done a better job since Kerry made WORSE grades while HE was at Harvard?

Kerry's EXCUSE does NOT wash nor does it erase the fact KERRY did OFFEND the troops in Iraq. Most DECENT people would be MORE than WILLING to offer an apology to people they offended by their comments ESPECIALLY if offending the person/people was UNintentionally.

Kerry said it, even if it came out wrong KERRY MADE THE REMARK indicating troops are in Iraq because THEY are stupid losers.

KERRY OWES THE TROOPS AN APOLOGY!

I heard the ENTIRE comment and have access to the ENTIRE transcript and it certainly does NOT sound as though Kerry was referencing Bush being a MORONIC BOZO when Kerry claimed the troops in Iraq are there because they are STUPID LOSERS!

Just one more note. My brother is a graduate of West Point and is a Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army and is serving a THIRD rotation (he volunteered for the last two) in Afghanistan. My husband who had TWO engineering degrees was blown up in Kirkuk, Iraq in Nov. 2003 while serving with the Depts of Defense and State as a civilian.

People who are patriots and willingly put their lives on the line for the UNITED STATES are NOT stupid losers.

Anonymous said...

I really like John Kerry - voted for him and would again. But I have to say, that's about the dumbest way to make a point I every heard. Like Barry said, no way around it. It doesn't matter what the context was - that sentence alone was really stupid. The timing of the statement was even more stupid - unfortunately.

I do agree that Bush's response made him sound like an uneducated hillbilly.

wordkyle said...

Anon 10:10 AM: "I do agree that Bush's response made him sound like an uneducated hillbilly."

Huh? Bush's usage of "plenty" is common in spoken English, and that usage is referenced by Merriam-Webster online as a synonym for "ample".

Funny how everybody knows where Bush stands on things, even though he can't speak well (according to critics); whereas the "well-spoken" Kerry always has to go back and explain what he really meant.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of ideology I think that if Bush has to take flak for comments when he "mispeaks", then Kerry can't just use that as an excuse. It was no small mistake, and he should know better than to open his mouth a week before Election Day.

wordkyle said...

And the American military strikes back.

http://wordparadigm.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

I call it a Freudian Slip - I hope you redneck sheeple can understand what it was - if not - here, I'll tell ya - "A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion". Reading the posts on this particular topic, I see many of you believe as I do - Kerry was speaking the truth, as I see it. And in my opinion, just like Anon 10:46PM said "it is true, for the most part, rich men's kids aren't in Iraq - they're in college." Do some demographics on the education level of MOST serving in Iraq now - oh, you can't because I'm betting it's a closely guarded government secret. Well, I believe they are either wanna-be killers or were seriously misled by their recruiters. Even some of the seriously misled's Mothers are speaking on Kerry's behalf. Anon 12:23PM - you are so correct - there is going to be a lot of jobs for prison guards and police because of the state we have allowed our Constitutional rights to get to.

And to MzChief - I am sorry that your husband died in Kirkuk (He was Halliburtoned, so to speak), if I comprehend your post correctly. Me, if I were your husband, after I have experienced all your bold(ing) posts, might find myself happier dead than living with you. No wonder he went "over there". I hope he had a BIG $$$$$$$$$$$ insurance policy - go get your nails done.

Anonymous said...

wordkyle, we know you have a shitty blog, you don't have to flog the URL here. And adding speech bubbles to pictures is the height of hilarity.

1:55PM, you are spot on. In both paragraphs.

Anonymous said...

1:55 to 2:10 - let's meet up at Walmart in Decatur, drive to Abernathy and kick some Wordkyle butt. I actually feel bad about what I typed to MzChief, despite the irritant that she has been to me and others on this board, but dammit people, the war in Iraq is a LIE, and always HAS BEEN. Innocent lives are being lost, on both sides, every day. IT HAS TO STOP. So, what are we gonna do about it?

wordkyle said...

Anon 2:25 PM: While y'all are in the area, let me suggest you go to Levelland to the Mexiteria and try the chile rellenos. They are sooo good. I always recommend it to visitors to the area.

Anonymous said...

I choose to kick butt on an empty stomach, WK. How do you rate their hot sauce? If Levelland's Mexiteria really exists, I'll go there after the butt-kicking. Back to you, bigot.

Anonymous said...

Are those made by illegal immigrants, wordkyle? Why aren't you busting into the kitchen to deport those mooching mexicans, you republican warrior?

Anonymous said...

wordkyle - you didn't understand that the word "plenty" used by Bush was improper grammer. The definition of the word does not make it correct to use in any sentence any way you want.

Them words tend to get scrambled in that there way.

Anonymous said...

So why haven't you called this idiot a nut case?

wordkyle said...

3:29, you forgot to call me a "racist, homophobe, and nazi," the Liberal Trinity;

4:14, As far as I know, the recipe is legal. There might be a question about the peppers, though, so you may have a point. Nonetheless, these chiles rellenos transcend politics;

5:11, The usage was proper grammar. You've brought the following on yourself: "plenty 2 : AMPLE <plenty work to be done -- Time>
usage 'Many commentators object to use of sense 2 in writing; it appears to be limited chiefly to spoken English." [Source: Merriam-Webster online]

Anonymous said...

So some of you believe Kerry is an idiot(so do I) and some of you believe Bush is an idiot. Some of you believe that all conservatives are stupid and some of you believe all liberals are stupid. I personally believe all politicians are stupid and all politicians believe the public is stupid. No one wins...nobody's going to change their minds based on what is said here! Use your voice (your vote) and trust the system. My father in law recently told me he wasn't going to vote again until he could be assured his vote would count. I told him I was going to vote in the off chance that it WOULD count. If you think liberals have all the answers, your wrong. Same for conservatives. Bottom line...its a crap shoot...take your best shot!

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anonymouse said...

1:55 you are a low-life piece of shit.


I can't believe that all you guys ignored that comment, whether you hate MzChief or not you guys are a bunch of god damn lemmings...
I would have defended ANY of you guys whether I agreed with your opinions or not..if someone posted something like that about you.
AND Mzchief has proved (from posting in the past) she'd defend any of you dumb-asses if anyone acts out on you...
You're like those people that just stand around and stare while some chick gets raped.
You guys should be ashamed..
I can't believe this shit wouldn't even occur to you.
A truly sad story.
WOW

I have never been more proud to be a yankee after watching you gutless piece of shit texans.