How discouraging.....Why aren't we going for those public officers that are .....liars; adulterers; lazy; cheaters; thieves....etc. etc. etc. the list can go forever....and yes I am a Christian! I just believe all are sinners and why would we judge?
Wonder how that same scenario would play out in Wise County?
Fictitiously speaking, let's say I go to Thailand twice a year because I like having sexual relations with underage children. When I come home I like to go back to my job and coordinate the Teen Court because what I do in my private life and what I do in my public life are two seperate issues and I can't believe we are having this discussion in 2008. I'm not being Judgemental either but whats the difference? What makes a person who holds a public office or is paid by Public tax money believe he is immune from private issues that may raise concern to those paying his salary? I realize Bill Clinton thought he was immune and still does, maybe that's where the problem started. I'm just saying.
Christian. Conservative. Republican.and I disagree with this.I don't think that your personal life completely separate.. I'm looking at you gov. Spitzer... But unless he was having inappropriate conversations were taking place, I think this is wrong.
Wow, ignorant people amaze me. You may not agree with the way someone lives their life in the privacy of their own home,...but if you set that standard...then yes, better get rid of all the adulterers, drunks, liars, thieves...give me a break! Judgmental people make me sick.
Uh, 1:12 PM, just because you are gay doesn’t mean you like to have sex with underage children. It’s ignorant to believe that gay people are incapable of having long term committed relationships.
1:12PM, the difference is he is not doing anything illegal, you bigot. Nice try equating gayness with pederasts.
So Barry,I guess you'll be representing him...I mean,you know,for the cause so to speak.
I'll bet he rules from the bench hard.
To 1:26 and 1:28 PM--I don't think 1:12 PM was equating gayness with pederasts, but saying that you can't always get away with the overly broad statement "what I do in my private life shouldn't affect my public life". Another example--"I'm a serial killer in my private life, but in my public life I'm a teacher, so you shouldn't fire me." That "PC" statement is REALLY getting overused and oversaid lately.
C'mon 1:28 PM. Here we go again with people resorting to name-calling. You don't want to prove Ann Coulter's point, do you? (That those with "liberal" mindsets almost always resort to name-calling when they disagree with someone that has a "conservative" mindset.) Tsk, tsk.
1:26 and 1:28 get your head out!!The point is, does he ever attempt to do in his public life what he does in his private life? That's the question. Call me a bigot I couldn't give two-sh*ts. You guy's like words like Bigot when someone say's something you don't like. That's the problem with this Country today we have become such a bunch of wimps we don't want to hurt anyones feelings or say anything that's not Politically Correct while in the mean time we are getting our ars ran over. Sorry, it's a question. Look past yourself the next time you respond. I simply gave a scenerio in comparison to the private life. I wasn't comparing Gay's to Sex Offenders. Regardless of what you think the majority of people will tell you they would have concerns with this guy coordinating Teen Court if they weren't so worried about offending someone and being politically incorrect. Hell, I don't even know the guy. He may be a nice fella and good instructor but I truly would prefer not to have my child in his program and take a chance on what could possibly happen or be said. You bleeding hearts are so sensitive!
Amen 1:24 PM!!! As for 1:12 PM how could you ever compare being gay to a child rapist?? Ignorance is all around us!!!
To betty boop....If we got rid of all the cheaters,liars,adulterers,thieves and drunks then who would run our government???? I say leave the guy alone your violating his rights. Just because he is gay does not mean he is a child molester.
How about this... His statement about there being absolutely no mix between public & private life was overbroad. Clearly, that is incorrect and the closer he is to a judge, the more incorrect that is. We all understand that a conviction for theft might get us removed from our position as loan officer.A person's private life, if legal, should not be used as a reason to remove him/her from a job...unless it brings a significant level of disrespect that may limit the person's effectiveness in the job (e.g. being gay does not prevent a person from being a good teacher, doctor, judge, etc., but being gay may limit your credibility as a Baptist minister).However, if a person exhibits inappropriate behavior while on the job, especially as it might relate to interactions with children, that person may be legitimately removed from their job. If a gay man hits on boys in his Court, he may be fired. If a straight man hits on girls in his Court, he may be fired. Sexual advances in the workplace are inappropriate, no matter whether they are gay or straight.
Well weren't all gays as young children diddled with by some older guy causing the gayness to later manifest itself whereby the now newly converted gay child chose to go down the wrong path...so to speak.
Could Mr. Hoagland be considered homophobic? His actions will play well to a large part of his constituents. But a lot of these over zealous types seem to be fighting deamons.Those "live by the sword" politicians seem to be perishing by the sword pretty often these days.
Clarity...well said. Most employers these days are EOE. They can't not hire someone based on sexual preference. They shouldn't be allowed to fire you based on it either. If there are extenuating circumstances, so be it.
This may not be relevant, BUT, it may be: A man I know divorced his wife of 15 years and left 3 young sons to go and live an openly queer lifestyle. Five years later, the oldest, at 19, has tried very hard to emulate his father, and has now twice attempted suicide. The younger two, about 17 and 14, have become problem students, non acheivers, and likely will be screwed up for life because of dad's message which so violently conflicts with the natural ways of the world coursing through their hormone-laden adolescent brains.I have raised two sons into young adulthood and openly criticized and explained all of what I feel is wrong about homosexuality. They are both upstanding, well-adjusted men without any psyco-babble clogging their minds. They are in fact becoming the kind of men which used to be common and once powered this country to the geatness. That greatness has now evaporated in the course of one generation of "tolerance and pc crap. Call me A bigot if you like but it seems clear that homosexuality is bad for a society. Why promote or even tolerate it as concerns our kids? We really can't afford to pussify our country Much more if we want to hang on to what once was our strenght.
Justin Nichols looks like a fag. He admits publicly that he is a fag. I, for one, am sick of fags and all the degeneracy they represent. If I thought for one minute that that fag had any chance to EVER have contact with my kids I would get them as far away as possible as quickly as possible and loudly lament that SOB having any access to any child on my tax dollar. Wake up, people! There is nothing positive for our children if the fags have ANY contact with them. You wanna take it up the a$$ and suck Di1^%s as a pastime, do it on your own time (and dime)
I don't get that analogy. I might not morally agree with a homosexual's behavior however, I certainly don't equate homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile has NO business being anywhere among the public. A homosexual's personal life is no more my business or interest than my heterosexual life is yours or anyone else's.Furthermore, for you traditionalists out there...child labor was once acceptable, women being chattles was once acceptable, slavery was once acceptable, genocide was once acceptable; and sadly, many of these horrific things are still acceptable among certain cultures of this world. So who is watching out for us? The people who fired this guy?
4:22 - great comments. And all these self righteous ministers who preach against homosexuality have NEVER even looked at a person (male or female), adult OR child, in an inappropriate way? Never?Those who bash gay people have no right to do so. Nor do I. Judgemental people make me sick too, Betty Boop.
It's behavior stupids! What one does that is inappropriate (illegal) is what makes someone unacceptable, whether its a hetrosexual teacher choosing teenagers as mates or a pedaphile choosing children or a married person not being faithful. No one orientation has a lock on predatory behavior and no single orientation is a predictor of predatory behavior.To say otherwise is bigotry. The one common demonator of all predators however is a "value system" that doesn't check bad behavior. For this you can thank our parents, our churches, and our schools.
7:26PM, I cannot believe your using a statistical number of one to determine that all gays are bad. Here, I will do the same. From reading your post, I have determined that all white protestant men are hydrocephalic. Why haven't you sought treatment for this horrible affliction that is obviously clouding your judgement? Oops! Did I say judgement? Didn't Jesus tell you that you should not judge your fellow man?Pro tip: Most of the suicides and suicide attempts by gay men is due to the way society treats them. When was the last time a straight man was strung up on a fence in the middle of Wyoming? Would you want to live in fear like that?Also, John Wayne wore lifts in his boots to make himself look taller. If that isn't "pussification" as you call it, I don't know what is.
9:50pm I would rather have that "fag" be around my child than you any day!.....
Why is it ok to be gay? I personally do not know any gay people who do not have other problems in their life. Granted I only know 3, I think. It is a choice I don't understand.
Do you know what the first signs of AIDS are? I think it's important we all know in this world we live in! Hot breathe on the back of the neck. Stabbing pain in the rectum.
I'm feeling pretty gay this morning. I had a great commute, things are going well at work and I'm going out of town this weekend. Why shouldn't I be gay? In fact, I don't think I've ever felt gayer in my whole life than I do right now. I am definately at my gayest.Wait, we're not talking about that kind of gay, are we? Never mind.
A gay man that I know has been an elementary school teacher for 22 years. He works in a somewhat impoverished community with minority students who usually don’t hear English spoken at home. He loves his job. Despite holding two Master’s degrees (including one in special education) and being qualified to be an administrator, he prefers to remain a teacher. His students adore him. The parents of his students adore him. His school adores him. He has twice been nominated “Teacher of the Year” and is proud of the work he has done. He has told me horror stories over the years of the obstacles some of his students have had to overcome: parents incarcerated, drug use in the home, alcoholism, abuse, etc. I have seen him agonize over some of these stories. I have also seen him effuse over some of the successes that his students have achieved. I have read the article about one of his science students who, despite a harrowing home life, went on to receive a college scholarship in aerospace engineering. When asked who the biggest influence in his life had been the student mentioned him, his teacher, from years before. Ironically, he is just as proud of the “problem student” who has been placed in his class as a last resort late this semester. After being previously held back for two grades, he has become someone the other students look up to. For this teacher, the student’s C’s and B’s are among his greatest accomplishments. His students come to him with their reading problems and with their life problems. He is invited to their graduations, their weddings, their children’s birthdays. He strives to give all his students equal attention, but never treats them all the same. He sees them as individuals with potential and promise and frequently says so. I sometimes wonder if any of his students, their parents, or fellow teachers question if he is gay. “It doesn’t come up” he says. Maybe a middle-aged bachelor who drives a beat-up pickup and spends his off time and summers tending to his cattle and horses doesn’t fit into their concept of what a gay man is supposed to be like. Maybe they don’t care. Sometimes I worry about their reaction if they found out. Would they make assumptions based on irrational fears? I don’t know. I do know that I am proud of him and the work that he does. His profession as a teacher and the joy he gets from it sometimes lead me to question the importance of my own. Mostly, though, I am just proud. I know how lucky I am to have him for my partner.
My friends are by and large hetrosexual as am I. We all have problems (phobias) of one sort or another.I think that only proves we are human.The one gay in my circle seems no less imune to problems than the rest of us........in fact shares many of the same problems.We are all products of our education........we tend to create stereotypes from the one gay, black, hispanic, career woman, minister, etc we know.And universally, the cure to all bigotry is education.
Sex is ridiculous looking enough when it's a guy and a girl,but two dudes? Eeeeew.
I can't take a homo dude seriously about anything. I mean think about it,if you are listening to the words coming out of a mans mouth you should have a right to an expectation of not being freaked out by the thought of a penis going IN the same mouth. I mean isn't that in the Constitution or something?
Uh,1:26 that's where you are wrong
1:12 you are SICK! You know you are getting a thrill out of that "hypothetical" situation you proposed because it's TRUE you sicken me
The ex was jacking around with a bisexual bartender from Fort Worth, he gave her herpes so I guess the homos aren't all bad.
EVERY gay guy I've ever been around sooner or later tries to put the make on me in spite of the fact I've never been involved in any form of gaydom in my life.
It sucks to be gay.
Isn't it weird how when some heterosexual men think of any remotely gay issue they always focus on the sex? I guess it doesn't take much imagination, just a certain kind of imagination.
Uh, actually 1:26 is correct.
The problem isn't the gay guy.The politicians that are stirring up this situation should be the focus. Gays have the right to be who they are, live their lifestyles, work in their jobs. The Hoaglands of the world, (bet he's a Republican), slime around, make a bunch of noise, and end up wasting everyone's time, not to mention, probably ruining this young man's job opportunity.
10:07, if your argument stands then we'd also be "freaked out by" and unable to "take seriously" most heterosexual women.I think what we're actually able to say after reading your post is that the problem is...your attitude.
Being from Collin County, I know the parties involved so I'll try to provide some missing background. First, when Judge John Payton asked the Commissioners Court to hire Justin for the position, the Judge knew Justin was gay. Further, when the Commissioners followed this suggestion, hired Justin and approved his contracts; they knew he was gay. Justin himself claims to have been out since he was 16. To suggest this controversy resulted from his recent “self-outing” is ridiculous.Second, all of this is happening in the midst of two ongoing political elections. Justin is running for a City Council position and one of the Commissioners is running for election in a run-off. In an attempt to smear one of the Commissioners who appointed Justin to teen court, an email circulated that suggested there may be an issue with Justin working with the teens. This led to Commissioner Hoagland’s request for a review of Justin’s job performance. Justin said that this mid-year review was already due. All of the above is fact. Its not fair to suggest that a request for an already due job performance review in the wake of an allegation is homophobic. I know Justin to be a nice guy and is probably a competent court administrator, but I also know him to be adept political operator. Now, this is what I theorize happened: Justin tired to run for City Council seat as a closeted Republican gay man; though it was pretty much an open secret. He entered the race against what he thought would be a weak opponent. That weak-opponent left the race and a more established candidate got into the City Council race. Now Justin panics and is in need of campaign dollars. He seeks and gets an endorsement from a PAC that funds gay candidates. This PAC then sends a press release to the local gay media, which causes them to do a story. This is what leads to Justin’s public outing. Then, to seize a Commissioners run-off race, someone affiliated with the other campaign concocts a story about Justin being unfit for working with troubled teens. Now, Justin is completely outted and the Dallas Voice puts him on record as going to send City of Plano taxpayer dollars to HIV/AIDS treatment (this is from his interview with the Dallas Voice.) He is essentially done-for in his race for a conservative seat on the Plano City Council and now there is an allegation about his county job. His reaction, follow what the public will believe…that is being persecuted.Hope this back-story gives a more clear picture. The road will be rough for Justin over the next few months, but he is tough. He will eventually use this story on a law school admissions essay, get into a great school and hopefully be happy.
After reading some of these posts,I purdy much believe we have a growing population of Homo Erectuses living among us.
Did I miss something? How in the world did we get to this discussion? I don't recall him being accused of inappropriate behavior...so to equate him with a pedophile is ludicrous. I thought the only question was whether he should lose a job he is obviously doing well at because of what he does in his private life, not whether I or anyone here agrees with homosexuality or not, that is a whole other topic completely. But if we starting firing people because of a moral issue (short of it happening in the work place of course), then the unemployment lines would be phenomenal!
Very interesting 12:25 thank you
I was at this gay dudes house once. He said something about being a huge fan of cock-toe. I said,"Oh yeah Cocteau,the French poet and philosopher?" He said"No,my 2 favorite body parts."
Why the "automatic" correlation between being gay and molesting kids? Seems to me we have as much a problem with openly heterosexual people being a danger to kids. Should we also classify anyone that admits they have a spouse as "openly heterosexual" and therefore assume they should not work with kids of the opposite sex because they will molest them?
Don't ALL adults have a sexual orientation one way or the other? Do we feel better if a woman who likes men is responsible for being in charge of young boys? What about a man who prefers women? Should that man be banned from being around little girls?
8:03/8:06----------The answer to your question is:the natural order. All other species seem to know about it instinctively. Ours will ultimately fail because of our refusal to belong to the animal kingdom.
Even God has bad days at the factory and he has a reject area called Earth where Gays are tossed to live out their defective lives roaming aimlessly bumping their penisesses into the wrong places.
10:16Well, that was an answer, anyway. Not sure it was an answer to the rhetorical questions asked though. By the way, homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom.
Why is being gay acceptable? It doesn't take much thought to figure out that things aren't suppose to work that way.
10:40You're right; your position reveals very little thought. Here's another: If being gay is not acceptable for you, refrain from intimacy with a member of the same sex.
I looks to me that all these Homophobic people want to judge everyone and want everyone to be like they are. If we arent like they are we are guilty of being on this earth. Thank you for being so fair and not allowing your poor upbringing show through.
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