4.03.2007

Remind Me To Ask Phil King To Introduce A Bill Requiring The Koran To Be Taught


(Story from the Star Telegram.)

We Are What We Elect.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

If students actually read the bible in a historical, scientific or ethical context, they will develop many more confused and doubting students. The Christian religion, as most others, has to be taken on "faith." Critical reading and understanding will divert many from the hordes of sheeple.

This approach might be worthwhile if it includes comparative religion including Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and atheism among others.

Anonymous said...

Barry is an idiot!

Anonymous said...

Barry if you do not like MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST!!!

Anonymous said...

Don't be so hard on little barry!He has little people problems. Most people like him (little) have issues.

Anonymous said...

If liberal weenies get their way, one day it will be forced down your throat and all bibles will be banned like they already are in Arab countries.

Anonymous said...

I think it would be a great idea. The bible is a source of history. Isnt the US law system based off of the bible? I wish I would have had a bible class while I was in school...

Anonymous said...

It should be included in English class, where all the other fairy tales are read.

Anonymous said...

While in college, I studied a semester of old testament history, a semester of new testament history, and a class in the philosophy of religion (general). At the time I was a pre-med major. The classes were fascinating and very worthwhile even though I am Buddhist. I read the Koran some years later and was struck by the unyielding unforgiveness of Islam. In my humble opinion, all religious texts require faith -- even Anton LeVey's writings. And why not? Faith sustains all people. Otherwise, why get up in the morning?

wordkyle said...

First: 7:35 AM, great post. Courteous, well-thought and well-said.

Second: Barry's got a great idea. Why not teach all the religions in proportion to their predominance in the United States? Christianity would get 76.5% of the time, Judaism 1.3%, Islam and Buddhism each .5%, Hinduism .4%, and Unitarian Universalist .3%. Atheism, although a faith, couldn't be taught because there's nothing to teach.

Anonymous said...

It'll never happen.

Pseudonym said...

Do school kids read down there in Texas?

Anonymous said...

"Separation of church and state" is a sound principle at the foundation of ... as Mr. Chism would say ... "who we are."

If you want to teach your child the Bible, do so in a religious private school.

Anonymous said...

they already force the religion of liberalism, so i think they should teach bible history also

Anonymous said...

Don't you folks who want non-Christians to move to the Middle East recognize your hypocrisy? The excesses of Islam there are identical to the theocracy you would have enforced here. What about Islamic fundamentalism do you so like that you'd install that type of single-minded Christian religious fundamentalism here?

Anonymous said...

I SEE THE BIBLE THUMPING SHEEPLE ARE BACK BEING THEMSELVES..... IDIOTS WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS.... AS USUAL....JUDGEMENTAL, NAME CALLING CHRISTIANS. WHAT A JOKE!

Collectionsite said...

I think it is a great idea. Why not make the Koran also as an elective.

Hey there is the KEY WORD ...

ELECTIVE

Freedom of choice .. Those damn Liberals forcing Freedom down our throats again !!!

Anonymous said...

As a youth pastor, theres no way I would want the Bible taught in public schools. God knows that some liberal teacher would screw it up. They need to stick to algebra, we'll stick to the Bible.

Gleemonex said...

Anon 11:31, you are completely right. It took me about three weeks of college -- where we actually read the Bible as a text and not as a religious document, in comparison with the Koran, the Upanishads, the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc. -- for 18 years of religious training and belief to fall away from me, never to return. Maybe that wouldn't happen to everybody, but ... well, the Bible doesn't really bear a lot of lit crit, you know?

Also, anon 7:26: heh!

Anons 8:49 and 9:18: ex.act.ly.

Anonymous said...

10:08 You a youth pastor? Really....? I'm glad I am not part of your religion as well as, have any children taught by you "Mr. Youth Pastor".

"God knows that some liberal teacher would screw it up. They need to stick to algebra, we'll stick to the Bible."

WOW, that's some christian talk coming out of your ugly mouth! You and your like are why I steer clear of your so called man-made religion.

Anonymous said...

being a christian doesnt make you a doormat, you go mr. youth pastor

Gleemonex said...

Well, the youth pastor IS expressing the concept of separation of church and state, for which I am grateful in any form.

Anonymous said...

Wordkyle....

So....If I'm agnostic...do I get an "A" if a skip class the entire semester???

wordkyle said...

"separation of church and state" has no basis in any founding American documents. The Constitution doesn't mention it at all. It DOES, however, prevent Congress from prohibiiting the free exercise of religion.

Thomas Jefferson is the source of the famous separation quote. However, his intention was to assure a religious minority that their rights would be protected from federal interference.

How does teaching the Bible interfere with anyone else's rights, other than the so-called "right not to be offended"?

The arguments of Jefferson, Madison, et al regarding "separation" were not to protect governement against religion; rather they were to protect religion from government. (Jefferson attended church at the Capitol! Where's the separation there?)

Liberal Supreme Court decisions hostile to religion are very recent, dating back only to Hugo Black in Everson v Board of Education (1947). For 150 years prior to that, the Supreme Court was decidedly "pro-religious."

Anonymous said...

Wordkyle, Try researching the relative IQs of atheists, agnostics and fundamentalists of any religion. The greater your critical thinking and advanced education shows a much greater proportion of non-believers. You can point out many individual exceptions, but the tendency of Nobel laureates, eminent scientists, and Pulitzer winners is clear.

Anonymous said...

King is just trying to clean up the public schools so he can send his children there.

Don't they all go to private schools?

Go Bruthah King!

mzchief said...

Hmmmm....
Which Big Book of Myths and Fables should be taught in public schools, the Douay-Rheims or King James?

25% of the U.S. population is Catholic whereas 52% of the U.S. population is Protestant. However, the Holy Roman Church believes and teaches that Catholicism is "God' one and only true Church" which surely pisses off MOST non Catholics.

Within the Global Christian Population there are MORE Catholics than total Protestants, Orthodox, Anglicans and Other Christians combined. That being the case it stands to reason that IF the TRUE purpose of the "Bible" being taught is for literary and historical value the Douay-Rheims Big Book of Myths and Fables be selected as the MANDATED text.

Dollars to dimes the good ol' Baptist folk who proposed teaching the Big Book of Myths and Fables were NOT considering teaching the Douay-Rheims version.

*SHaKiNG HeaD iN DiSGuST*

wordkyle said...

1:49, besides smacking of standard Liberal elitism, what's your point? High IQ scores and lots of school indicate what? A "consensus" that there is no God?

Mzchief, why are you so hostile to religion, Christianity in particular? Guilty conscience?

Anonymous said...

Wordkyle is repeating the "urban legends" version of our founding fathers. Most were NOT proponents of organized religion and some, Jefferson, Payne, Franklin and others were seriously opposed to churches. Jefferson was generously referred to as a Deist as he had great antipathy for religious leaders and their churches. The Constitution allows for free exercise of religion but prohibits a establishing a favored state religion. This is why "teaching" the bible in public schools would be a violation. And again, what qualifications would you expect of the religious teachers? Which bible version? Both Old and New Testaments? So many questions, so few real answers.

Anonymous said...

Screw that - they need to have classes to teach people who the hell Billy Joe Shaver is!!!

Anonymous said...

Wordkyle has it backward again. Accusing Mzchief of a guilty conscience due to her hostility towards religion would seem to me to indicate that her conscience is clear. It is the guilt of Christians for their sins that move them to believe that Jesus died for them. It is their guilt that keeps them "believing" so that they might avoid the imaginary hell that is promised to “bad” people.

mzchief said...

MY opinion counts MORE than yours because I can type LOUDER than you. Hail to the CHIEF

Anonymous said...

My God is better than yours....my God brings all the girls to the yard...And their like "It's better than yours", Damn right it's better than yours...............!

Anonymous said...

I used to worry some about the Bible saying a certain number ( can't recall it, but in relation to the amount of people in the world, the number seemed very small). I thought, no way! Now..after reading these comments here, I see many who may never see Heaven. Imaginary or not! Good luck folks... I am sorry for your misguidance in the Christian beliefs and lifestyle. Saying things about them that are not true, just won't make them true. For one, I'm really very tired of the "Christian bashing" that seems to be growing in our country today. We all will answer to a higher power someday... I hope you all have your reasons for the bashing you do.

wordkyle said...

2:50, I'll make the execution mercifully swift.

1) Jefferson was friends with many clergy, supported several churches financially, and attended church services in the Capitol during his presidency;

2) Paine, in his discourse on “The Study of God,” forcefully asserts that it is “the error of schools” to teach sciences without “reference to the Being who is author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin.”

3) In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach “the necessity of a public religion . . . and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”

The ones you mention are often trotted out as "proof" of your point. However, you don't mention George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Charles Pinckney, John Langdon, James McHenry, Rufus King, Abraham Baldwin, Roger Sherman, William Samuel Johnson, John Dickinson, Jacob Broom, James Wilson, William Patterson...all Founding Fathers who were devout Christians.

Also you mis-state the Constitution. It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." It does not say that there will be no religious instruction (or non-religious educatiion about religions.)

Anonymous said...

Your statement was written by someone who is historically ignorant concerning the founding of our nation.

mzchief said...

Ladies and Gentlemen...
You are wasting your time with Wordkyle. He is either an IDIOT or a LIAR.

I bitch slapped Wordkyle with FACTS on an earlier blog and he retorted by blowing smoke out of his arse. When someone does NOT substantiate their claims with documentation and continues to deny the truth, you are wasting your time.

Only a fool argues with an IDIOT.

Incidentally, I have nothing about which to be guilty. I sooo KNOW God I do NOT require myths and fables to BELIEVE. Faith is NOT about having faith in RELIGION and prophets or messiahs it is about having FAITH IN GOD.

wordkyle said...

Ruh-roh, Raggy.

MZchief is blustering again. Nothing but personal attacks this time. Wow, I got "bitch-slapped?" I didn't realize it. I thought that pointing out your inaccuracies, lies, distortions, etc., helped me avoid that. Oh well.

MZChief presents anti-Christian harangues, full of anger and hate. She tries to equate Christianity with a religion (Islam) whose radical adherents behead innocents, take hostages, and proclaim their intent to rule the world and murder all who disagree with them. A poor equation.

Feel as you feel, MzChief (I give you permission.) But rationalizing your anti-Christian feelings with lies? What purpose does that serve?

And then you get angry with me for pointing out the flaws in your argument. tsk-tsk. Hardly a healthy response. (PS: Few of the victims - er, readers believe I don't research my sources enough. "Blowing smoke?" Hardly.)

If anyone got "MZChief-slapped," it was you.

But keep trying. The more you struggle, the more I win.

Anonymous said...

Kyle, somehow I don't see you as winning. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

My God, mzchief, what a flippin' know-it-all you are. Thanks for the explanation of what FAITH is all about. I usually don't post anything, but your last diatribe against wordkyle was nothing more than a personal attack. Please go back and read what you wrote especially that wonderful self-centered part about "sooo know God..."

Which god is that, mzchief? Some reflection of yourself? I think maybe you sooo don't know anything about anything...

Anonymous said...

Same here, WORDY. Blustering again I see.

Anonymous said...

As I understand it, Mzchief believes in a god but doesn't believe the bible. That seems fair enough to me. She has a personal understanding of god without the hocuspocus of the bible. Whatever she believes is her business. She hasn't attempted to "convert" you or your children. Are you willing to have her or some other person of uncertain training teaching your children the bible in school?

Anonymous said...

touche` 8:12.