12.09.2009

We've Got A Constitutional Crisis Going On!

So I'm up at the courthouse a second ago and noticed the above religious display. I casually mention to the employees of an unnamed county office that said nativity scene might "promote" a particular religion and, therefore, run afoul of the First Amendment. I was met with "Don't be a rabble rouser," "Why are you offended by the little Baby Jesus," "I think we ought to make Christianity the National Religion," and, finally (about 10 minutes later), "All those Muslims want to strap bombs to their chests and blow us up." There went my Christmas Spirit. (But one court employee did point out, in a remotely related subject, that you can buy a manager* at Tractor Supply." I'll be.) __________ *Edit: Ok. Ok. I meant "manger"

91 comments:

Anonymous said...

Manger dude......MANGER. I'm not for sale.

Double Fake Manager of Tractor Supply

Anonymous said...

Away in a manager....

Anonymous said...

Buy a manager? And what....modern day slavery?

Did you mean manger?

Anonymous said...

I saw the same display and asked the county employee where I could sign up to become a Christian. I was offended that there weren't any forms to become a right wing Christian extemist.

House of R and R said...

Tractor Supply is selling MANAGERS?

Well I'll be. Can they legally sell people like that? Assuming they are people. They could be animals....

I'm so confused!

Silicone Alley said...

Someone brings up Jesus and you lose your Christmas spirit?

You do know what CHRISTmas is about, right?

Anonymous said...

Well if we are stoning people for displaying christian related Christmas decorations. (Last I checked Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of Christ). We better get on the city because they are displaying a manger scene and a bible verse outside the old post office. Good grief it's Christmas....Let it go.

The Devil said...

11:23 Just show up to bible study at any of your local Christian churches, they will all be teaching IED making and you can get your forms to sign up as well.

Putting the MAS in Christmas said...

Does the 1st Amendment offer freedom OF religion or freedom FROM religion. I don't see what the problem is with a nativity scene display and people of other faiths should have the same right. Of course, when they place their C-4 out on the table, they might get arrested for reasons outside the 1st Amendment.

Anonymous said...

I think the problem is the courthouse is a county building. Paid for by people who live in the county. Not all of those people are Christian. So since they are paying for it they might want their religious views represented, just like the Christians have.

So you are left with the option of displaying ALL the religions or none of them. Do you think Wise County is ready for a Buddha and a menorah at the courthouse?

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucifer, That one went right over your head didn't it? Nice try though.

Anonymous said...

Where in the Constitution does it talk about the seperation of church and agriculture?

Anonymous said...

I'd like to purchase a new manager - the one I have is a real @$$-hole.

Anonymous said...

Well I think that if you buy the decorations for whatever religion you wish and bring them to the court house I am sure they could and would find a place for them to be displayed.

Anonymous said...

Way to touch off the old powder keg there, BG. This subject is almost as controversial as the Pete Hart/Chico brouhaha.

Now, if you had Coach Hart...in a manger...at the courthouse...WHOA!

Anonymous said...

Imagine in the after life, you are a Christian seeing Jesus face to face.
Do you think he would say "Nice work on getting that nativity seen removed from the courthouse. I like you was very concerned that it might be mistaken for the government establishing a certain religion."

I think not.

John 14:5-7 (New International Version)

5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Anonymous said...

Yaaawwwwwnnnnnnn........haven't you rabble roused about this last year, and the year before, and the year before that? Pfffffttttttttt.

Happy Holidays, people.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure they are all quality construction, but I doubt baby Jesus would be comfortable (or even fit) in any of those mangers from Tractor Supply. Don't they make any multi-use mangers?
Maybe a nice truck tool box would work, but you'd have to change the words to the song

Anonymous said...

Barry is not against Christmas per se, he is just for stirring the pot. He is a media whore and wants to hopefully blow this up into a big debate. Big enough to get his little blog some attention. Welcome to his sad and demented world. Merry Christmas Scrooge.

Anonymous said...

IF it were not for Baby Jesus, there would be no Christmas to celebrate. So what I am asking is:
If someone doesn't believe that Jesus is the reason for Christmas, do they still celebrate, like with presents and such. And maybe just worship Santa or whatever and call it Christmas

Anonymous said...

Although I'm not a Christian, I usually let things like this roll off of my back. But I doubt that a nativity scene is actually supposed to be there is it? What good is it actually doing sitting there? The courthouse has no business displaying any kind of religious symbolisms. I also understand that the majority of citizens in this county are Christians, so I usually don't give things like this a second thought only because it's not worth the hassle of causing a commotion over it.

Anonymous said...

I am an atheist. I'm afraid most religious folks live delusional existences.

However, when I went to Albertson's and checked out the other day, the cashier wished me a "blessed evening and a Merry Christmas". Let me say I am not the least offended. On the contrary, I felt she was genuinely a nice person.

On the other hand, being greeted with "Allah Ahkbahr" always disturbs me. It sounds like something I gotta go dig post holes with..... and don't even get me started about digging

Half-Baked Tunnel Your Way Around Christmas Guy

The Devil said...

11:50 In what way did it go over my head, I understood your sarcasm, I just literalized it to see if I could get a rise out of anyone else. Apparently you haven't read many of my previous posts.

Anonymous said...

why can't people just be satisfied with decorating their homes

Anonymous said...

Amamzing BG, what one comment can do...........

Anonymous said...

The County Courthouse must be a Christian recruiting cell.

Anonymous said...

"Fireball" Green strikes again...lol

Remote Controller said...

So since Christmas was derived from a pagan holiday "Winter Solstice". Does that mean if I was a pagan I could go onto the courthouse lawn and start sacrificing animals?

Also, Christmas has always been a "non-secular" holiday non-Christians have a more tolerant attitude to Christmas than bible thumpers.

In fact, you King James version bible thumpers tried to get rid of Christmas all together in the 17th century. So don't talk smack just because history is cycling around to bite you in your ass.

Anonymous said...

So Devil, tell me some stuff about hell. Do they mark Christmas in hell as a day of mourning? Do they consider it the day that God cheated? Do snowballs really have no chance? Is there no preference shown to high water? Will the whole place really fit in a handbasket? Is freezing over really such a rare event? Do you guys really own your own bells? Are you allowed to shout down obnoxious people by telling them to go to heaven?

So many mysteries about your homeland. Is it really war?

Anonymous said...

I've seen the managers at TSC and don't think there is much of a market for them.

Anonymous said...

You can take your Ali Snackbar and jam it up your Atheist Ass.

Anonymous said...

Well, if BG really wanted to further stir the pot, he could at least tell us what floor the display was on and in whose office. Come on, Barry, are you afraid of a bit of criticism?

Isn't the high sheriff the one who "selects" the offices for the occupants in the courthouse?

Hang him out to dry on all this.

:-)

Anonymous said...

All the religion talk and political talk aside...what is the harm? No, no, Really folks, what is the harm? Barry thrives on keeping the pot, any pot...stirred, and if you ask him...he personally doesn't have a problem with it...just wants to see how many of us will "bite", and I'm sure before it's all said and done, about 200 of us will!

Anonymous said...

12:05 Though I was raised in an organized Christian religion, I am fully able to enjoy and celebrate Xmas with the spirit, the presents, the lights, the tree, and the whole sheebang without thinking much about the baby Jesus and the nativity at all. Santa is way cool, so is the Christmas Bible story. Though I don't really buy into the whole literal translation thing, I can still love Xmas for what I celebrate it as...a great time for seeing family and buying them gifts. You bible-thumpers don't have a monopoly on Xmas.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucifer, Tell Ted Kennedy we all said hello. Is he still not drinking?

Anonymous said...

It wouldn't bother me one bit for a buddha or menorrah to appear on the courthouse lawn. They have as much right as the fundamentalist Christians do to celebrate their beliefs and their holidays. I thought that's what freedom of religion was about....was I misinformed?

The Devil said...

It is really very nice down here, Christmas in hell is a pretty fiery event, no mounring though, just some fist bumps and a few shout outs to the homies in heaven. We usually hang some of those chili pepper lights; don't really consider that Got cheated, we like to celebrate Jesus as the proof Mary got laid, something we tend to encourage. Snowballs in the traditional sense will melt, but the one's covered in the pink coconut, marshmallowy stuff keep quite well. By "high water" do you mean bong water? Yes! When pigs fly buddy. The bells come with the handbaskets. Yes. No war, without religion we actually enjoy peace, who would have thunk it!

Anonymous said...

Dear 8 pounds 6 ounces... new born infant jesus,don't even know a word yet. Please help the lost soul Barry see the light and send him to hell.

Thank you little baby Jesus wrapped in your precious blanket.

Amen

Double Fake Ricky Bobby
Shake and Bake

The Devil said...

Ted says back at ya! Yeah, he still hits the bottle pretty hard, him and Mary Jo like to drown their sorrows, no pun intended of course. They like to hang out in the boiler room and speak of the good ol' days and drink a special brew we call True Compass.

Anonymous said...

12:46--------------------

It's morons like you that made god send his son down here to kick ass and take names. See, saying something like "Ali Snackbar" is clearly insulting to many concessionaires and as such disqualifies you from the Democratic party. Furthermore atheist is never capitalized. It's the rule. If you're too lazy to think up a deity for yourself, you will not be allotted capital status for your belief system. There's times you may, and times you may not capitalize ass. Your usage does not qualify as I can assume you were insulting me rather than propositioning me. Study up a little on these and other minutiae concerning the holiday season. There will be a quiz on Friday.

Anonymous said...

Haven't we just about beat this to death? Can't we just let Jesus die in peace for Gods sake?

Anonymous said...

Religeous items purchased at a dime store in the 70s hark back to a time of true family values and thus are exempt from Constitutional Challenge from the Right, Left and all those in beteween.

Chill.

Anonymous said...

NOTICE: We are currently out of Mangers.

Please visit our Bed and Bath dept.for a nice selection of Muslim sheets and pillow cases or somethin.

THE MANAGER

Anonymous said...

Wow, Mr. Green...I'm afraid you just went down a few notches in a lot of people's books....good grief, what's wrong with you?

Anonymous said...

12:36 - that's mighty Christian of you. Very classy.....

Anonymous said...

Oops...should have addressed that to 12:46

Anonymous said...

"let Jesus die in peace"????

It was his choice to come back for his fair share of abuse.

He was afraid Mohammed was having all the fun. You know, virgins and what not.

Anonymous said...

There's about 900 other places they could put that nativity scene besides County proerty and nobody would care.

Double Fake Charlie Wilson

Anonymous said...

Doesn't the judgement of all people Muslim contadict what Christians values are supposed to be about. Perhaps thats what Barry meant when he talked about losing the Christmas spirit.

Anonymous said...

If any of you read the BOOK carefully it doesn't call Dec. 25th as the actual date Christ was born.

Do you still have to swear to God to testify in court. If you still do then THAT brings the Christian religion into the courthouse, right?

Anonymous said...

I liked it when Dad was alive cuz he'd get out the Negativity Scene and we start the erection process.

Jarhead said...

The fact that this topic should even spark a debate is a testament to the sorry state of our society.

Merry Christmas, bitches.

Anonymous said...

Get the Rope!

Anonymous said...

So.......

What are you going to do about it?

House of R and R said...

It’s always a power down moment for me to hear people who call themselves “Christian” make derogatory comments about other people’s beliefs or race.

Not mine, holmes said...

A creche on a secretary's desk is not prominent enough to violate the Establishment Clause. That said, it's cheezy enough to violate good taste.

House of Two R's said...

What is the actual date Christ was born on?

Silicone Alley said...

You let Jar say bitches but not ME!!!!

Anonymous said...

Thanks Jarhead. It is a sad testament that we would have this type of response to such an idiotic post. People, God does not need to be defended.

Anonymous said...

Tomorrow let's discuss what type of Christmas tree to get, real or fake, clear lights or colored, angel or star on top.

Anonymous said...

2:28 No one knows the date. It may even have been months from Dec. 25. We just celebrate it then "just because" I guess. As good a time as any.

Anonymous said...

Muslims have a way of blowing up the Christian spirit.

Anonymous said...

12:01

Imagine in the after life, you are a Muslim seeing God face to face.
Do you think he would say "Bad job on allowing that nativity seen to stay in the courthouse. I like you was very concerned that it might be mistaken for the government establishing a certain religion."

Anonymous said...

My girlfriend used to have one of them IED things. I didn't like it much but I don't think she got it at church. That's not what she told me anyway. It was more like a geologist I think

Anonymous said...

Jarhead-

I usually tolerate your posts because I'm not a democrat (nor republican really), but for you to call our society a sorry state, and then make the statement "Merry Christmas, bitches" is, to me, quite hypocritical. I'm not a Christian and I'm usually pretty easy going, but hypocrisy is just dumb.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Jarhead you're a dumb Hippopottomus like he said.

House of Two R's said...

Uhhh ohhhhh...comments are at 66. Let's hope they don't go to 666.

Anonymous said...

I don't ever listen to arm chair politicians. And I sure as hell don't listen to arm chair politicians from Wise County.

Anonymous said...

I just wanna know when this party is going down with the devil and Teddy Kennedy. Sounds like the best thing going this season.

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Allegheny_v._ACLU

yeah, so, nativity in a courthouse = unconstitutional.

RPM said...

Two R's, he was born on New Years Day, 0 B.C.

Anonymous said...

4:50----

Never mind 666, just as long as they don't end at 69.

Anonymous said...

Wrap a little bit of kleenex around the figurines' heads and that will satisfy any federal court in the land.

Anonymous said...

I was hoping to be 69 but I got screwed.

Anonymous said...

Is that little 14 year old Mary kneeling by her son? Today, if a 14 year old becomes pregnant without her consent, someone's going to jail. As it should be. But who would be arrested in this case? Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

Wake me when this repetitive rabble rousing about the cheap man(a)ger crap on some Wise County Courthouse minion's desk shiate is over, puh-lease.

Oh, and 3:57PM, are you just now finding out what an arse Jarhead is? He's got his own little incestuous empire, er, I mean enclave, going on.....best advice is to just ignore him.....that's what really hurts his feelings.

hangman said...

without jesus christmas is just another pagan holiday! a great pastor once said this in church while it is blunt it is simple and to the point if you dont like it it sucks to be you for you shall be in a hot place in the next life

Anonymous said...

Global warming has doomed us all to a hot place.

Just ask Uncle Al

mzchief said...

I can never help but wonder, how many times/hours a day someone who feels compelled to display religious icons and publicly display their religious preference actually spends living their advertised faith. How many hours a day do you think they pray or spend doing deeds for others in the name of their deity and/or demi-god, Jesus or Muhammad? The in your face Christians/Muslims always make me wonder if they actually understand that their FAITH is a PERSONAL matter.

Anonymous said...

The small nativity scene is a symbol of a historic event that is celebrated by a large majority of us. It is not on the courthouse lawn but tucked away in some county office according to Barry.

When the majority can't celebrate a historic event, we have a big, big problem.

When Muslims are in the majority, what historic event they celebrate will be o.k. with me since I won't be living here any more.

House of Two R's said...

HA HA RMP! YES you made me look!

Jarhead said...

8:47:

In the words of the illustrious John Bender:

"Sweets, you couldn't ignore me if you tried."

You seem very... angry. You should get some help for that.

Merry Christmas!

SPIRITRIDER said...

all too often in today's society we are told that we as Christians are not politically correct. we have those who wish to make it so that we as Americans living in a country founded on christian principals are no longer known as such and if we protest this peacefully then we are put on a terrorist watch list as happens with our returning military personal according to our director of homeland securities statement around the time that the tea parties were held. yet we see the killing of 13 military personal and civilians and countless others wounded by a muslim army major clamming allah is great while committing this act. yet still under the current administration the christian voter who attends a rally to show what we want from our gov't and our military men and women and vets are put on the watch list. the manger in the courthouse is a great thing the sad thing though is because of a few pagans we can not have one on the lawn to show why we as Christians celebrate Christmas.merry Christmas to all who read the blog and to all a good night
JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON

mzchief said...

To SPIRITRIDER...
If you knew just a WEE bit about the FACTUAL and HISTORIC reason for the season you would know better than to EVER spew the over-used, moronic claim ignorant Christians eagerly spew when they throw down the old saw, "Jesus is the reason for the season."

Here are the high points, Cliff Notes, if you will for the HISTORIC and ACCURATE reason for the season.

More than 4000 years ago the people in Mesopotamia, during late December, engaged in worshiping their god, giving gifts, decking the halls, lighting yule logs, having feasts and parades while celebrating, beginning the first day of winter, the 12 days prior to the New Year. You do realize, the first day of winter is on the 21st December, according to the Julian Calandar, right.

Early Europeans celebrated the Winter Solstice during the last two weeks of the Julian Calandar's December. The celebrated by adorning trees with shinny objects and bundles of berries and fruits, had feasts with family and friends, festivals with their community and sang special carols haralding the Winter Solstice.

The ancient Romans celebrated their sun god, Saturn, during the last two weeks in the Julian Calandar's December. The Romans had feasts, festivals, exchanged gifts, caroling with neighbours and community festivals and extended worship sessions of their god, Saturn. The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and decorated green trees with lit candles.

Early on, Christianity was having one heck of a time competing with the good times had by all the other competing religions especially the Persian religion of Mithraism. Sooooo, what do YOU think the Christians did?...If you guessed ripped off the time of the year and adopted the singing, feasting, gifts and decorations of their competition, you would be right. Oh, it took some Catholic Bishop in Rome until 350 a.d. to pull December 25th out of his pointy hat as the date to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Though there is no rock solid data to determine the EXACT time and date of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, if you are inclined to believe the myth you would have to agree with the conclusion of ASTRONOMERS who have concluded, based on the clues provided within the tale of Jesus's birth, that Jesus's birth would have been sometime in early AUGUST.

So, based on HISTORICAL FACT Jesus is NOT the reason for the season. The Christians did what they have ALWAYS done and ripped off the traditions of other religions to advance Christian myths and fables so as to for CENTURIES dupe the most ignorant and simpleminded of folk.


Try this...Acquire some HONEST FAITH in GOD and worship GOD everyday and you will not feel compelled to worship, for a week or so, the demi-god a bunch of old men, using the ancient myths and rituals of other religions, have foisted on civilization as THEIR GUY with all the answers.

Do not feel too badly about having been duped, it is not like you are among the millions of people who either killed for your religion or died due to religion. Most religion is nothing more than the retelling and reinterpretation of the previous civilization's myths and fables. Elders or people within a society who wish to gain or maintain control of the society are the ones who establish the myths and fables that are to be adhered to and how they are interpreted. Historically, the interpretation and adherence of the myths and fables did not pertain to the people in charge of making certain the masses followed the rules.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
~Seneca the Younger 4 b.c.-65 a.c.

Anonymous said...

9:40 = Christian extremist.

Anonymous said...

Mzchief: this is all pretty much common knowledge by Newark elementary kids.

You are the queen of Google.

mzchief said...

To anonymous 3:17...
Unfortunately, SPIRITRIDER is not the first Christian Cretin I have encountered who had not obtained a Newark elementary education. Since you are correct and the information I provided is common knowledge, there was no need for me to Google the data. I have known this information for decades and have spelled it out, several times, when I have had the very same conversation/debate with other Christian Cretins who mistakenly, albeit proudly, proclaim; "Jesus is the reason for the season."

Hey! Thanks for the Queenship. However, Google has yet to publish my opinions regarding who follows religion as well as who and how religion came to the forefront of most societies throughout the ages. When Google does start following my stuff, let me know.

Xanthippas said...

Well, it isn't really Christmas unless you're bashing someone over the head with it.

Gleemonex said...

I can't condone the spelling, but Mzchief is 100% right.

Now, back to Barry: I would also have objected, mildly as you did. The thing is, y'all, we do not have a national religion (and that's a very, very good thing), and officially sponsored religious displays promoting only one religion -- even if it is by far the dominant one in an area -- aren't cool. I wouldn't have thrown a shitfit over it, nor did Bar -- but yeah, a comment isn't out of line. Faith is personal.

Anonymous said...

yawn

Anonymous said...

To keep my religious freedom I will gladly give up all symbols of it on any public property. My ability to worship my God in my own way is one of the greatest rights of this nation. And I believe it is your greatest right also. So let's remove these symbols of religions from our public places now before we have to make a decision of which will become our national religion.