- Channel surfing this morning and saw a couple from the U.S. being interviewed on Fox who had sent back video from the Iran protests. Why were they there? "We were on a six week vacation traveling through the Middle East." Six weeks? Iran?
- Is it easy to get a job as a cook at Dennys? What about Chili's? The Olive Garden? Del Frisco's?
- New this morning: Ed McMahon dead of death.
- And, perhaps oddly, I thought it was sad that McMahon was peddling his own book a couple of years ago entitled, "Here's Johnny." It just kind of came across as "you won't buy a book about my life but you might if I write about my relationship with someone else."
- UT lost the first game of the World Series last night in 11 innings. And guess what ESPN told me the Longhorn's relief pitcher, Brandon Workman, was from? Bowie.
- I fell asleep in the 10th inning.
- Isn't it odd that you can't buy sushi in Wise County but you can by marijuana.
- I might have forgotten that I had a sprinkler running last night. Ugh.
- I want to go into Flip's, the new restaurant off of Western Center Boulevard, but haven't yet.
- The prosecutor in our County Court at Law was forced to dismiss a case in the middle of a trial yesterday when clear evidence came forth that the key witness had lied.
- The Southern Baptist Executive Committee has voted to kick out Broadway Baptist Church in Fort Worth due to it openly accepting homosexual members. They then sang about agape love.
- I'd rather walk into a room full of strangers than into a room where everyone knows me.
- Motorcycle death yesterday when I guy flies off an overpass and lands on I-20 in south Arlington. (That's the fourth motorcycle death involving falling from an overpass in the last year and half --- the other three were at 183 and the George Bush Freeway in Irving.)
- Blogger Anobiter is taking the month (or half a year) off and is in New Hampshire. But some detective work reveals this: Compare the third pic of her's that she posted here with this pic posted on a random sports blog. Coincidence?
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Hey Counselor, if you walked into a room full of commenters to your blog, would you be walking into a room full of strangers, or into a room full of people who know you? Or -- uncomfortable -- a room full of strangers who know you?
I'd rather have sushi than marijuana in Wise County.
Brandon Workman is from Bowie. He is a great pitcher.
Actually you can buy sushi in Wise County... They have a Sushi bar at Armandos...yes sushi "and" mexican food all in one spot! Or at least they did a few months ago.
Barry, how do you feel walking into Wise County courtrooms where a few people know you and a few don't.....since you grew up in Bridgeport, this must sometimes be an uncomfortable situation, yes?
..and likely somewhat unfair to those on trial.
Broadway Baptist out of the Southern Baptist Convention? Surely not!
What's next? Asking Baptists to sign an oath that they are straight, don't drink, don't smoke, don't do this, don't do that, especially don't dance.
.and asking certain blog owners to refrain from posting half nude women?
Sheesh!
I have eaten sushi.
I'd rather eat marijuana
In case you were wondering, Jewel is the wife of Ty Murray, Rodeo champ. He was 3rd place on Dancing With The Stars.
Flip's is crawling with cougars.
YES! Love the linked pic on the beach. I want to go to there!
I bet when Ed McMahon gets to the Pearly Gates, the first thing he asks St Peter is: "Wheeeeeeere's Johnnnny?"
I don't know what his book is about exactly, but isn't it fitting that the title is one of the most familiar catch phrases in the world? And most of his life (as we know it, anyway) IS about his relationship with Carson
I've never heard of death from a bad batch of pot, but slice that fugu the wrong way and you'll find yourself between Johnny and Ed on that big couch in the sky
Six weeks through the Middle East? Fire that travel agent! Why didn't they just enlist already? At least the Gubmint would have picked up the tab. But then, they kinda set the itinerary, too. If this is Tuesday, it must be Baghdad
The Southern Baptist Convention has about run its course. No longer the force it once was.
The church that openly accepts homosexual members will just start a new, non-denominational church and do just fine. Guess the Southern Baptists feel Jesus would have done the same thing.
The question of church membership is not that they don't allow people in who do wrong things (sin). The problem is with people who do wrong things and say that it is OK. We know nobody is perfect, but we love the person, not the wrong doing (sin). They can't knowingly allow a person who is practicing wrongdoing (and believing it to be right-actually flaunting it) to be a church member.
Hey Lawyer Boy - I've been to Flips. The food SUCKS. But it is certainly your kind of place...Short shorts and boy-beater tops on the waitresses. Oh and it's a sports bar with massive tvs...not that you would be looking at the tvs. LOL
Didn't Ed McMahon have some kind of financial trouble the last few years or something? Seems like he lost his home or something.
Anobiter: Nice!
8:29, I thought the Baptists already required that! Hypocrisy at it's finest. Let's all judge everyone else and only associate with the "good" people, like Jesus did????
The kid from Bowie - Workman is his last name - is a freshman at UT. I watched him when we (Decatur) played Bowie last year although all he did was bat that night. The Bowie team was average, except for Workman. Can you imagine - in one year going from playing for a mediocre rural 3A school to playing for UT at the College World Series Finals?
At worst, UT will be the 2nd best college baseball team in the nation and the kid from Bowie got to be a part of it his first year away from home. Good for him!
Hook 'em Horns!
>Isn't it odd that you can't buy sushi in Wise County but you can by marijuana.
There's a sushi place near Marijuana, Texas?
sushi is more evidence that our country has devolved into a bunch of limp wristed, toffu lovin panzies. who wear wide belts and use way to much product. and say things like,"oh my God," and "you rock" while they prance around in there gottees.
How dare those Baptists actually believe in something..they should just assume that everything is relative.
8:55 - really?
Then just who sits in judgement of who can and who cannot join a certain church?
Your word "knowlingly" pretty well gives away that somebody sits in judgement of a perspective member.
I'd be interested in just how the church body gets such information - gossip, heresay, personal interview?
In the single line about Ed McMahon's military career they negelcted to mention that he rose to the rank of Brigadier General.
Homosexuals have been banned from houses of worship since before Moses parted the Red Sea. Just because they have control of the news media does not mean they can change the Bible. I think, rather than let them enter the house of worship, you are required to take queers out to the gates of the city and stone them. That is what God commanded.
9:21: agreed. How can a church who supposedly read the same Bible I do sit in judgement of another person and ostracize them from their group? Absolutely REEKS of hypocrisy. I'm sure Jesus would be very proud of them for not associating with sinners, since He certainly only went with the "church" people. I believe they were called the Sanhedrin??
Flip's has the second best burgers in FW behind Pappas Burger.
Granbury actually has a pretty good sushi joint. The parking lot is kinda dangerous, though.
I guess the kid still thought he was pitching in high school
When the batter is late on your 95 mph fastball dont do him a favor a throw a curve
you guys defending the homosexuals should read Romans, chapter one.
we dont judge them, they have already judged themselves, but we shouldnt have to let them infect the rest of the church.
a little leven, levens the whole lump of dough.
p.s. im not a Baptist
Hey 9:43, so you ban all the sinners from your "house of worship"? Well, how do the rest of you get in? Wasn't it Jesus who said "ye who have NO sin, cast the first stone?" Must be wonderful to sit in a congregation of totally sinless and perfect people! I would so HATE to be among that group. You make me sick.
Jarhead, are you familiar with Kincaid's on Camp Bowie?
You know why Baptists don't have sex standing up?.........Because someone might think they were dancing.
9:21 - so true. It does reek of hyprocrisy. Frankly, I run from churches like that and the folks in them.
No thanks!
I think the "Axis of Baptist" should change their name to the Small Town Social Club Committee.
You know why you should always take two Baptists fishing with you? ...............If you just take one he will drink all your beer.
I saw a sign the other day that Armondo's is gonna add pedicures to the menu.
9:45 What Bible are you reading? In the old and new testament the phrase being "cut off" is used a lot and meant excommunication in today's vernacular. It would apply to those who commit the more severe moral sins such as: murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc. And also the fact that in general they don't repent (which part of that process means to stop) and are not willing to do so. No hypocrisy, just expecting a higher level of conduct that some folks are unwilling to abide by and they committed to by virtue of their church membership. Consequently, they lose the privilege of church membership if they remain unwilling to live their lives to a certain standard.
A church denomination may have the "right" as you say 10:24 to "expect" a higher level of conduct, but how do they keep tabs on the behaviors of all church members. Is a "committee" appointed to check that all out? Dang that would be one busy church.
The answer is: They cannot keep tabs.
Churches have no right to judge the behaviors of their members. Only God has that right. The church doctrine makes rules and/or suggestions for personal behaviors. So if a person breaks those rules, they get kicked out?
Living one's life to a "certain standard" usually means that churches have "categorized" a list of sins that are just not acceptable according to their interpretation of the Scriptures. Key word: Interpretation
Church doctrine (that plus music and worship style) has likely run more good folks out of the church than brought them in.
workman threw a no-hitter for UT earlier this season. There are actually 2 other pitchers from bowie that are in major league systems right now and brandon isnt far behind
10:09:
Yes, and their burgers aren't as good as they used to be in the old days.
B&O Station, Fred's, and a place on University across from TCU [forgot the name] all blow Kincaid's out of the water.
It's pretty sad when a chain Like Pappas can make better burgers than a local place like Kincaid's ~ maybe their quality has declined since they "went corporate" and started up other locations.
The one place I haven't been to is the Love Shack. If Love's burgers are anything like his food at Lonesome Dove, they may be the best around.
JH
Jarhead: not sure if the dangerous parking lot line was meant to be funny, but I laughed at what I think you insinuated.
I second the Kincaid's vote. Great burger! Never ate at the one on Camp Bowie. They have a new location on I-35 at that shopping mecca near Alliance (the one with the Belk's). Kincaid's is somewhere near the southeast corner.
The church/gay issue is obvious. The people in question have come out to their congregation, and don't intend to change their behavior (as if they could). With almost any other sin (according to church doctrine) there is the assumption that the sinner is willing and working toward changing and repenting. Their behavior/lifestyle, whatever you want to call it, runs afoul of Baptist teaching. Lots of jokes are made about drinking and dancing, but there is some truth to that. Homosexuality is considered far worse than a tug at the bottle or a spin on the dance floor
You have to play the game! You're gay,and adulter, but you can't say so. You can't live too openly. You must pretend. Then everything is alright. Everyone knows, but the pretense is sooooo important.
Let the SBC kick them out. I am sure Broadway can find something to do with the 7% of their budget they have been sending to the SBC.
Assuming the SBC is correct about homo's, you would think they could wait for God to take care of the punishment.
Infect????????? Give me a break!
9:52, that fast ball - curve combo worked several times before that hit. If the catcher hadn't botched that throw there wouldn't be a man on third in position to score. Have you ever pitched at that level?
Yeah, I bet it's a real "previlege" to be a member of your church M-M. That's a privilege I can do without. Thank you.
I have little to no interest in the "Southern Baptist Executive Committee" or in its churches. However, I do have an interest in the right to free association, and in the careless and reckless use of the word hypocrite.
Christians do not believe that only perfect people can join their churches. Sinners are welcome. However, church-attending sinners are expected to aspire to a higher level of behavior and conduct, in line with that church's beliefs. If a church believes that a particular behavior is sinful, it should have the right to exclude those who revel in engaging in that behavior and who have no intention of changing. (And, in the time between when I started writing this and when I finished, "anon 1107" said essentially the same thing.)
It's just small-minded people trying to pump themselves up (who are ALSO SINNERS) by thinking others' sin is bigger than theirs. Their little sins are ok, so they get to decide who's aren't ok. I'm not gay and don't support that lifestyle, but neither do I support a "church" keeping others out. That is totally against anything I have ever understood about compassion, God's love, or Christ's love for sinners. Again, He associated with them. You are too good to do so because they might "infect" you??? Ignorant beyond belief. You are brainwashed and much more frightening to me than the gay population.
Do you know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist?
(wait for it............)
A Methodist will actually speak to you in the liquor store.
Considering one of the most beloved members of Broadway Baptist who will likely continue attending and financially supporting this church - namely Mr. Van Cliburn - I expect the sanctimonious SBC may live to totally regret their judgemental attitude.
It is all just too sad for Fort Worth and this great old church.
But, that magnificent church will continue and likely now be so much better off without the self righteous judgemental folks that make up the SBC.
Judgement should be turned toward that bunch.
Your right M-M.The key to it all is knowing that it is a sin.But people will make right wrong and wrong right.It's clear about homosexuals in 1st ch.of Romans.I have no problem with gays going to any church as long as they acknowledge its a sin and pray for them.We all sin.It's a matter of understanding what sin is.Even Jesus said go and sin no more to the adulteress,meaning dont do this again.Even if she had done it again and asked to be forgiven we are obligated to do so as christians.
"The prosecutor in our County Court at Law was forced to dismiss a case in the middle of a trial yesterday when clear evidence came forth that the key witness had lied.'
Did he say.....nevermind?
Double Fake Emily Litella
It would be nice to have a sushi bar here that allso had a Amsterdam type "coffee" shop in it.So's you could get ya an excellent case of the munchies before you threw down on the raw fish.And with the tax revenue from the mary jane we could pave the roads here properly instead of paving them one shovel full at a time like we are now!
BOB MARLEY to the third power
11:48 - WELL SAID. And Methodists will generally walk to the back door with their Baptist brethren to be sure they can slip out the sinful establishment unseen.
:-O
hey 11:28
I have pitched at that level and to put that on the cather is stupid. I learned when i was 10that if a guy is late on his swing dont do him a favor and slow the pitch down to his bat speed plus that curve ball was FAAAAATTTTTT
Imagine Jesus saying "you guys are embracing sin, so you can't come associate with us. We're too pure and holy."
Takes a lot of imagination, doesn't it???
Thanks, but that's a "privelge" I prefer to decline.
I think me saw some Baptists dancing on the square Saturday night.....after the sun went down
Barry,
You actually let someone get away with calling you "lawyer boy"? Shocking. Is there any truth to the rumor that Ty Murray is going to open a homosexual sushi bar?
11:28
I certainly understand your defense of the young man's pitch selection, but Orel Hershiser questioned it at the time. We'll have to agree that HE pitched at, and far above, that level...
what's funny is ty murrey is methodist and jewel is babptist!!
To Jarhead...
If you are talking about Love Burger Shack located in the Stockyards, leave work and go there NOW. A few weeks ago, I had a Dirty Love Burger and Crazy Onion Rings and it was the best burger I have ever eaten in my life. I was soooo sad that I could only eat 1/2. The rings were fantastic.
I am gay, and I don't understand why any self respecting gay person would want to be a Baptist. So I don't understand why there is a conflict. Baptist are mean.
12:28 Isn't that what Jesus taught will happen come judgement day? Those who have "embraced sin" will be condemned to hell and be found unworthy of heaven. Those who have not embraced sin and will be with Him in heaven. So, your imagining has come true.
A lot of you are misconstruing what actually happens. It's not like there are armed guards that check membership papers in order to enter the church to worship. Anyone can still come worship. But in excommunication, they lose their membership and baptismal covenant blessings. I have seen it happen many times and I have seen many work their way back into full fellowship and re-baptism. Sometimes right away and others years later.
Blogging at its finest...a hot religious debate sprinkled with hamburger joint reviews, sushi, and baseball chat. And Anobiter in a bikini.
1:01 - that is the most gay statement on this thread, so far. Oh, wait.
If you all go to church you would understand. A church cannot "support" sin by allowing its members to openly stand up and say they are a member of the church and WILL CONTINUE TO DO AS THEY PLEASE regardless of what the church teaches. IF they want to form their own church and interpretation of the Bible, then let them form their own homosexual gatherings. I'm frankly sick and tired of those who do not attend church saying how awful the church (take your pick)is. Church is a place of worship and you choose a church that goes along with your own beliefs, so that you worship with your like kind. If you have no belief and you want to learn, then attend church to see if your life can change. If you do not believe and you don't care about changing, then stay away from the churches. It's a simple choice and that is exactly what God has given to mankind: Freedom of choice. Judgement Day is coming for us all. I guess it will be then that we find out who (if any) were the better interpreters of His word.
Well, 12:28. It doesn't happen in my church, which is Methodist. You know what? You weren't asked to participate in "Judgement Day". It's my understanding that's up to God, not the Baptist church. Again, you people make me sick and embarrassed to be in the same Christian family as you. You give the rest of us a bad name. I stand with 1:01...I decline the "privelege" (MUCH SARCASM) of being considered a member of your cult.
1:26 - The pic of the gal on the beach in a bikini isn't Anobiter. It's some random pic Barry found on the internet while looking for hot girls in bikinis.
Churches are like Kool-Aid. If you are determined to drink Kool-Aid, keep looking around until you find a flavour you like.
If you do not like the rules of a particular sect, keep looking until you find a cult with rules that fit your lifestyle.
Baptist 101:
All Baptist churches are autonomous. There is no creed.
Well, ok, that was back in the day when Baptist were Baptist.
Today, we have a pastor in NC driving the SBC to tell a church in Ft Worth what it can and cannot do.
That is what has happened to the Baptist Church. We have out-fundamental the fundamentalist.
Homosexuality is the minority sin.
There was a time in the past that drinking, dancing, adultery and smoking where also minority sins. However, those practices have become so common place that pastors simply don't address them any more.
Considering homosexuals are only 3% of our population, doubt their numbers will ever earn them "exemptions" like those other sins.
Gay Baptist are doomed to just keep on doing what they have been doing.........contributing, working hard, and keeking their bedroom lives quiet.
To Wordkyle...
Addressing your initial post in this stream...
Bubear would know me and I would know him. Bubear also knows that most, but not all of the Double Fake postings come from the same person. However, I think Bubear has yet to figure out that I post under Double Fake.
Real Fake Double Fake
Damn Garry, I love this blog.
-Nasty Nester
Broadway is a great church! One of the few inner city churches to stay put and minister to the people around it.............and not fly to the burbs where the membership can remain white, wealthy, and of one mind.
On any given activity at Broadway as it ministers to south Ft Worth you will find gays working side by side with fellow members, the sexual practices of either hindering a great work. May it always be so.
Geez, there seems to be a lot of little kids replying about the gays in church thing.
"I want to do this even though the Bible says it is wrong". I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want. Well, for the most part, you cannot.
Seems it would be tough for any church to condone activity that is repulsive and condemned by the founding documents of Christiandom. Whether that activity is adultery, lying, murder, etc etc.
Just because your particular perversion is condemned, does not give you the right to change whatever your particular religion advances. So grow up and live with it.
Judas
1:34, I do go to church. Just not one who thinks they have the right to judge other people and exclude those who THEY deem to have met a certain level of sin. OUR sins are ok, but yours aren't, so you can't play with us in our church. Please do NOT speak for the rest of us out there who attend churches who don't make judgement of others their primary basis for existence.
Hey man, just join the Church of the Latter Day Dude. An ancient philosophy that preaches non-preachiness, practices as little as possible, and above all, uh...lost my train of thought there. Anyway, if you'd like to find peace on earth and goodwill, man, we'll help you get started. Right after a little nap.
They're cool with the herb and the alcohol.
Not sure about the sushi part.
http://dudeism.com
2:41, join me up.
I wonder if Anobiter is going to get herself a job at a carwash while she's up there in NH?
To RPM...
*OTFLOLHysterically*
I am willing to bet "Dudeism" is a sponsor of NASCAR.
*LOL*
2:23 - I agree about Broadway, based upon what I've read. It will survive the SBC and likely grow even stronger.
It is apparently an outreach church and these days (some) of the no name churches are so enamored of hoop te do worship and feely good consumer religion that service to a hurting world has all but been forgotten.
No wonder our world is in such a pitiful shape. So many churches have gone inward instead of outward.
It really isn't about denomination anyway, but outreach to a hurting world.
Broadway Baptist is a great old traditional church. It will do just fine on on its own.
Could some of you religious zealots show us where you think it mentions the word homosexuality in the bible?
3:59
Rephrase your question, and you might get some answers.
Who would want to reply when being called a religious zealot?
Maybe you should be asking the coach why he called the play Brandon threw!
I'm just gonna go on hatin queers and baptists both, smokin some reefer when I feel like it, and goin to work when I gotta pay the mortgage, at least until my Prez anties up some cash for me to skip that work/mortgage part. then I can smoke more reefer maybe. I still ain't eatin no raw fish. It smells too much like
I bet God is so freakin' glad he gave up his only son for you idiots. As if the "gay" issue is what we need to be focused on; Jesus preached love and inclusion and he never kept a bouncer at his church door...
Haaaaaaaay!
I've always said, if the gay people are going to hell, then that's where I want to spend etirnity. It's going to be one red hot circiut party! I'm sure there will be parades and clubs and dancing and drag queens and pool parties and lots of hot men.
Sign me up!
Y'all have fun in heaven with the church ladies and the cover dish socials.
4:09
My sons pitched at both the NCAA Division I level and NAIA. At that level, coaches generally don't call the pitches. Catcher calls the pitcher, and pitcher can shake off the catcher.
With all these comments this is one of the times when I wish they were numbered so I could find where I left off.
3:59 I'm not 3:59 but, I'm confused by your post.
"zealot" simply means any of the following synonyms.
supporter, believer, devotee, advocate, fanatic, enthusiast, aficionado, aficionado, member, skeptic
Good chance that the tax collectors will be looking for ol' Ed in Heaven.
Silas
The homos could probably go back to that church if everyone knew how much sushi those pansies can consume
The writers of the Bible did know about sexual orientation. The concept of homosexuality only came in the late 19th.
They can't knowingly allow a person who is practicing wrongdoing (and believing it to be right-actually flaunting it) to be a church member.
So they'd exclude a church that permits druggies to join? Or a guy who's a racist?
Yeah, okay.
Hey Barry - can you handle it if some of us who post here wind up on your jury panels?
Interesting scenarios for you, or perhaps future nightmares?
those pics look amazingly like the smae legs...even appear to have the same toenail polish. creepers.
Enter Mother Teresa, of Calcutta - a Catholic (NO, not promoting denomination here), but servanthood.
The old wrinkled woman who ministered to the folks in India probably died in one of the attire that was in her wardrobe - didn't give one rip about her looks, but totally cared about God's children and died giving her life for them.....
Sound like the modern church view?
At least in America?
I believe that any sin can be forgiven if the sinner repents. Once they repent, they can enter the house of worship. A queer or murderer cannot enter the temple until they repent. Repent means he is not going to do it again.
Jesus never said a word about homosexuality....nada. You'd think if he thought it was a deadly sin, he would have mentioned it once don't you?
It is mentioned in Romans (Paul's writing). But near where it says it is an abmomination, it also says eating shellfish is an abominations too.
The Bible also says it is a wrong to sleep with a woman on her period, for a woman to cut her hair, for a man to shave his beard, to touch a pigskin on Sunday (too bad for pro football), etc.
I suppose we are all cafeteria Christian, picking and choosing of the Bible we think are the best.
As for my cafeteria picking - I choose the lessons that Jesus himself led......and that's it - that's the biggie for me.
That was a message of love, love yourself, love your neighbor, live a life of service not judgment..... God is love.
"So, if this [blog] teach you anything, it should teach you how to respek everyone: animals, children, bitches, spazmos, mingers, lezzers, fatty boombahs, and even gaylords. So, to all you lot [reading] this, but mainly to the normal people, respek. West Side." ~ Ali G
That right there just about says it all.
I posted 5:42 I see I left out the word NOT in my first sentence..........
It should have read 'the writers of the Bible DID NOT know of sexual orientation.'
If they stopped every adulterer and philanderer at the door, every church in Wise County would be empty.
I think folks here are mighty worried about the speck in someone else's eye.
7:23, Jesus was a Jew and obeyed the scripture. I choose to disregard the Roman polution of the Christian sect of the Jewish faith. The Romans are the people who decided which books to include in the New Testament. The religion of Jesus and Moses is very clear on what to do with homosexuals.
9:43 I'm not sure exactly what you are saying....Jesus was profoundly Jewish. When you say he obeyed the scripture, are you meaning the Bible? It was not written until decades after he died. Jesus worked within Jewish tradition. He was Jewish all his life, as were his early followers and the authors of the New Testament.He did not see himself as replacing Judaism or founding a new religion.
Years ago we attended Broadway Baptist, a church that is not fundamentalist and is very progressive. It is supported by some very wealthy members.
For some reason, the Southern Baptist Executive Committee thinks voting on controversial issues dictating from the top what local churches should do is the norm. How I remember when Baptists practiced the priesthood of the believer. No longer. Someone up higher in the Convention is somehow closer to God than the member serving on local committees or as a deacon.
Sin is sin and the church is full of sinners. When a preacher starts preaching on being gay, I can't support selecting sodomy over adultery! If the Executive Committee kicked out all those committing adultery, church membership would shrink to where the Convention would be short of funds to hold the Convention!
Jesus didn't single out sodomy or even preach against it. By grace we are saved and I'm sure a lot of gays are saved by grace also.
11:10, We are not reading the same Bible. Or you have your historical facts wrong. Try these estimates.
Genesis Moses ? - 1445 B.C.
Exodus Moses 1445 - 1405 B.C.
Leviticus Moses 1405 B.C.
Numbers Moses 1444 - 1405 B.C.
Deuteronomy Moses 1405 B.C.
Joshua Joshua 1404-1390 B.C.
Judges Samuel 1374-1129 B.C.
Ruth Samuel 1150? B.C.
First Samuel Samuel 1043-1011 B.C.
Second Samuel Ezra? 1011-1004 B.C.
First Kings Jeremiah? 971-852 B.C.
Second Kings Jeremiah? 852-587 B.C.
First Chronicles Ezra? 450 - 425 B.C.
Second Chronicles Ezra? 450 - 425 B.C.
Ezra Ezra 538-520 B.C.
Nehemiah Nehemiah 445 - 425 B.C.
Esther Mordecai? 465 B.C.
Job Job? ??
Psalms David 1000? B.C.
Sons of Korah wrote Psalms 42, 44-49, 84-85, 87; Asaph wrote Psalms 50, 73-83; Heman wrote Psalm 88; Ethan wrote Psalm 89; Hezekiah wrote Psalms 120-123, 128-130, 132, 134-136;
Solomon wrote Psalms 72, 127.
Proverbs Solomon wrote 1-29
Agur wrote 30
Lemuel wrote 31 950 - 700 B.C.
Ecclesiastes Solomon 935 B.C.
Song of Solomon Solomon 965 B.C.
Isaiah Isaiah 740 - 680 B.C.
Jeremiah Jeremiah 627 - 585 B.C.
Lamentations Jeremiah 586 B.C.
Ezekiel Ezekiel 593-560 B.C.
Daniel Daniel 605-536 B.C.
Hosea Hosea 710 B.C.
Joel Joel 835 B.C.
Amos Amos 755 B.C.
Obadiah Obadiah 840 or 586 B.C.
Jonah Jonah 760 B.C.
Micah Micah 700 B.C.
Nahum Nahum 663 - 612 B.C.
Habakkuk Habakkuk 607 B.C.
Zephaniah Zephaniah 625 B.C.
Haggai Haggai 520 B.C.
Zechariah Zechariah 520 - 518 B.C.
Malachi Malachi 450 - 600 B.C.
The Southern Baptist Convention has every right, as a private institution, to discriminate regarding it's membership. However,this planet is evolving spiritually. If they are to survive, the SBC must begin to make decisions in light of a post modern pluralistic society. They are,in some ways, already irrelevant. Evolve or die.
8:23, Evolving spiritually? I don't read that in my Bible.
i am proud of the sbc for doing this. in the bible it states that the sexually imoral will not inherrit the kingdom of heavon and if one studies it goes back to reference homosexuals. dont get me wrong god loves them but hates the sin which they live being a fag is a choice while one may have desires they then have to choose to act on them
Dear 9:07, your pitiful spelling and your poor use of the English language makes any of your opinions totally worthless.
8:51: amen, bro!
is having sex with an alligator a sin ?
Double Fake Amos Moses
Barry, Anobiter's personal stalker?
Francine, damn funny.
9:07 - that was the absolutely worst post I've ever read on this blog.
9:45 - sex with animals is wrong. It'll get you kicked out of SBC.
7:51
My mistake. I did not make myself clear. I was referring to the Gospels and New Testament.
Didn't this all begin when the "gay" folks wished to have their pictures posted in the church directory as a couple? The church denied their request because according to the Bible, a marriage is a union between a man and a woman. So the "couple" threatened suit for discrimination? Isn't that what got all of this started? If so, that means these "sinners" are wanting to ADVERTISE their sin in the church. Where would you "let's forgive" people draw the line? Would it be when someone wanted to post their picture screwing a sheep? How about posting a picture in the church directory of men screwing little boys? Oral sex? I mean, let's "forgive" all these sinners and not exclude them!!!
It is so obvious that those of you who post the "let's not judge" either do not attend church, or if you do, you have absolutely no comprehension of your own churches doctrine. Yes, God will be the final judgement, and yes, "judge not, lest ye be judged," is in the Bible. However, you might want to read about how Jesus destroyed the Temple because it was full of sinners and sin, ....as well as many other stories showing God's disdain for sinners who chose to FLAUNT their sin in God's face. Do you not think that hanging a picture or placing a picture of a gay couple in the church or church directory is not FLAUNTING that sin in God's face?
I laugh at the post that says "evolve." LOL!! Do you mean, let's CHANGE the Word of God until it suits our own lifestyle? That is the Word of God by which WE are to CHANGE our lives so that we abide with it.
Some of you people who claim to be Christians are so very shallow in your spiritual life that you are dangerous witnesses. You better start paying attention to your Bible. Judgement Day comes to you as well. How will you answer when God asks "How well did you live your life by My Word?"
I think someone is confusing spiritual evolution with spritual deterioration.
Well said 10:22.
"It was not written until decades after he died"
Written by Paul and approximate date AD: 1 Corinthians 54, 2Corinthians 55, Galatians 49,
Ephesians 60, Philippians 61,
Colossians 60, 1 Thessalonians 50,
2 Thessalonians 50, 1 Timothy 62,
Timothy 63, Titus 62, Philemon 60.
10:14, Paul died in Rome circ 64 AD.
Creationist doctrine allows for no evolution of any kind.
So is screwing a watermelon a sin or not? The line gets a little fuzzy there.
I think 10:22 is the dangerous one. I have been a Christian, church attending, etc. for my entire life of 50+ years, and I have an excellent grasp of MY church's beliefs, which are NOT compatible with yours. How DARE you say that anyone who doesn't agree with YOUR own church is wrong or shallow? That is without question the most intolerant, narrow-minded opinion I have ever heard anyone voice. My church preaches love and tolerance, which is what Jesus preached. You are a horrible example of a Christian and I am ashamed to be included in the same belief-group as you. You can quote the verses from your Bible that YOU choose to live by, but the ones you don't want to accept, you claim have passed away, or aren't valid for some reason. When you start quoting your holier-than-thou scripture, better quote it all rather than your exclusionary stance which only serves to make you and your little tight group feel good about yourselves. People like you are who give the REAL Christians a bad name.
What is meant by "the word of God?" As far as I know, God did not write anything and only spoke to folks who now would be candidates for mental institutions. The words of Jesus? Jesus also never wrote a single word. The New Testament gospels were written by men who never met Jesus. All the writing is hearsay and they frequently disagree with each other. And you suggest some kind of "literal" interpretation of this stuff? Strange indeed.
11:03, you know not what you say. Are you saying James, brother of Jesus, never met his own brother? Are you saying that Paul never met Jesus. He did, on the Damascus road. This is recorded in Acts, Chapter 9.
Holy Batshit..BG..wtf have you done..? hopefully this will be the last comment....reporting live for fox 4 news...I'm Peter Daut
'You have the God you are cabable of having.........Joseph Campbell
I prefer stump broke heifers. Good to know that Jesus is tolerant and that Christianity is evolving to match my desires. Not. Korean ICBMs are within 33 minute range of San Francisco. I hard rain is going to fall.
I don't know why anyone in the world, especially a gay person would want to be a baptist. They don't love people, they condemn and criticize people & steal people's money. They think they have it all figured out and they make me sick. Organized religion is for people who do not want to go to hell, hahahahah. Spirituality is for those who have been to hell and don't want to go back.
11:32 - Korean ICBMs will be 33 minutes from SF when the barge they're on are in sight of the Golden Gate Bridge.
11:02 - right on. I think some on this board "worship" denominationalism and legalism rather than God.
I run from them. And it's hard for me to run because I'm old.
:-{
11:23
I agree with 11:03.
And BTW, Paul did not know Jesus.
In the ST today, the Broadway Baptist church did not say they endorse the gay lifestyle, but allow gays to worship in their church. The SBC didn't accept that.
Apparently the doctrinal stance of the denomination is more important than the people.
All that must make the SBC feel very clean before Almighty God.
It could also be a stench in God's nostrils since His son gave his life for all.
But that excludes gay people, I guess.
11:02, 10:22AM here, why don't you copy and paste where I said anyone who doesn't agree with MY own church is wrong or shallow. WHERE did I say that!?
If you have been a Christian for over 50 years, then I am ASHAMED of YOU! Would you allow such pictures to be hung in your churches halls? Do you tell your children to do ANYTHING they wish on this earth because they can be forgiven anytime? Do YOU have ANY kind of ethics that you live your life by, or that you teach your children?
If you ARE a CHRISTIAN, then you should have learned SOMETIME in your 50+ years that Christians are to live their lives in accordance to God's wishes. Do you have any idea how Christ lived his life? Did He LIVE IN SIN or did he life a life that WE are SUPPOSED to try to immulate? Was HE a homosexual? Did He participate in beastiality? Or did He try to live as God wished.
Evidently, you have no doctrine to live your life by except live life to the fullest and don't expect anyone to judge you! Do you allow your children to run with just ANYONE? Or did you lay down some sort of "laws" for them to live by. OH my, if you did, then how DARE you be judgmental of their friends!! Do you get my point here?
I'm not a "holier than thou" person, I simply try to live my life to the best of my ability, but YES, I certainly DO make judgements about people, their actions, and whether I want myself or my children to associate with them. I am a sinner, but I do NOT flaunt my sins, especially in the house of the Lord.
SHAME ON YOU for implying that Christians have NO PRINCIPALS to live by!! Evidently you have not learned one thing in your 50+ years of your Christian life!
You say: "You can quote the verses from your Bible that YOU choose to live by, but the ones you don't want to accept, you claim have passed away, or aren't valid for some reason."
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Where do you see this in my post????
"It could also be a stench in God's nostrils since His son gave his life for all."
Well, if that's the case, then why do we have any churches at all? Why do we even TRY to live "holy" lives? I mean, if our sins are all forgiven already, then hell, let's murder away, thieve away, adulterate (word?) away, SIN away!
I didn't realize that Christ's dying for our sins meant that we could no longer be held accountable for any sins!!??? Geeeze... why didn't someone tell me that sooner??
You might want to do a little bit of study on what the Bible says about Jesus' dying for our sins. I think the word REPENT is somewhere in there....also something about SEEKING HIM.. ?? I think so...
11:23 The "gospels" to my knowledge are Mark, Mathew, Luke and John. None of these men were even alive when Jesus was.
I can say one thing for this thread, at least in this country we can argue religion without taking up swords against each other, although there are a couple of "Christian" commenters I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.
what about john, paul, george and ringo..???
Barry, why can't these folks clean up the adultery in Wise County and leave a few Fort Worth gay couples alone?
At least the gay couples stick to their vows.
I just do not understand why, how and with whom someone decides to engage in sex should have any relevance on how they should get to worship GOD!
Ohhhhhhh, right! We are talking about CHRISTians, (the majority of whom have NO fact based knowledge about the history of the "Holy Bible.") deciding who gets to worship their Christ.
I was not going to throw down with you religious zealots but the amount of STUPID being tossed around was too much for me to ignore!
Here is the Reader's Digest version of the "Holy Bible":
The Tanakh/Old Testament was written approximately 1450- 1500 years PRIOR to the time attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew by Jews and called the Tanakh. It was translated into Greek between the 1st and 3rd centuries BC and called the Septuagint and was not translated from Greek to the old Latin version until sometime around 400 AD. Of course, Christians being Christians had to add their won spin to the Tanakh and did add a few more stories to the original version of the Tanakh.
The Jews, you know, the people who wrote the ORIGINAL Tanakh/Old Testament claim the tales within are ALLEGORICAL and not intended to be anything but a means to teach lessons and tell tales to commemorate sections of time in Jewish history. Somewhat akin to FABLES. Christians being Christians and not feeling a lesson has enough oomph without it being sold as the absolute truth, continue to sell the myth that the tales in the Old Testament are historical fact.
The New Testament is even more interesting in that it is sold as containing the "actual words of Jesus" when in fact not a single man attributed to being a an original member of Jesus's posse was able to read or write. Yeah! Not even Paul was able to read or write. It is even believed that writing attributed to Paul was transcribed by at least FOUR different scribes. It is interesting to note, the majority of the people, in Paul's day, who sold their services as scribes were JEWISH. The majority of the text attributed to the original apostles was not composed until at LEAST 20 years and as late as 70 years AFTER the reported death of Jesus of Nazareth. I do not know about you people but MOST people's memories, regarding an event and specific words, get a wee bit fuzzy after a couple of days and even more so after a couple of years. After a few DECADES most people do not remember CRAP especially if they are 50+ years old as would be the case with the members of the original posse.
Oh, there is this other matter. The Catholic Church controlled all the data that went into the "Holy Bible" and we all know what an upstanding, fact driven organization is the Catholic Church. The compilation of the original "Holy Bible" is attributed to the hard work and effort of a Catholic priest named Jerome who died sometime around 360 AD. One other thing, at the very outset and until the 1400's AD the Catholic Church decided it was a MORTAL SIN and an act of heresy for anyone, other than a member of the clergy to read and posses the "Holy Bible."
Just between you and me, there is no way I am going to trust a bunch of old men who were, at the time, the only people who could read and write, interested in being in control and any part of an organization that did not officially admit that the earth was not the center of the Universe until 1992 which was only 360 years after Galileo was condemned, for the rest of his life, by the Catholic Church to house arrest for discovering the FACT that the Sun is the center of the Universe.
You people can keep on hissing and spitting about the absolute authority of the content of a Big Book of Myths and Fables written and maintained by a bunch of old men with agendas and I will continue to worship GOD rather than a demi-god substantiated by bunch of hokum.
Oh, if you want to verify my FACTS you will need to do the Google work for yourself. I just KNOW the above FACTS because I bothered, long ago, to RESEARCH the FACTS.
Christian: One who has accepted Christ into his/her life as his/her personal savior and accepts His doctrine to live a Christ-like life. Born again as a believer.
Accepting Christ (to become Christian) is not a free "get out of Hell free" ticket. A Christian is supposed to accept and live towards a sin-free life (Christ-like). However, we are all sinners, as we are mere mortals. Having Christ in our lives DOES allow for forgiveness when we do fall short if we ASK for that forgiveness with the intent to REPENT and not commit that sin again. Those who EMBRACE a sinful life will not enter into the kingdom of God.
Say what you wish, call Christians "Bible Thumpers or Holier Than Thou." They have Christ in their lives and that means they WILL witness for what Christ (God) intends for a sinfree life.
Those of you who say you are Christian but who do not defend Him or His Word should be ashamed of yourselves.
The Bible was written by humans. Those humans either lived during the times of Jesus and are witnessing to those accounts of His life, or they were enlightened by God in their writings. Jesus lived only 33 years. He is God's son and we as Christians are supposed to have Faith in the written Word. Jesus lived and died, so that means His story had to be told so that those who did not live to witness Him, could learn of His sacrifice. The Bible relates that story and the guidelines for a Christian life. You can argue with it all you want, but that does not change its meaning for believers.
You ALL have the ability to chose to argue, to accept or to deny. You can condemn those who have accepted and are now witnessing; that again is your freedom of choice. Those condemnations should do nothing more than to make real Christians stronger in their beliefs.
You cannot be "part" Christian. You either are or you are not. You have accepted Christ and his teachings, or you have not. Sounds to me like there are many on this blog who like to carry the Christian label, but who have no idea what responsibilities come with accepting a Christian life.
good god almighty..enough already !
Does anyone happen to know if the two men that caused all this uproar were actually married or simply a couple?
10:22 I'm guessing you are a fundemental baptist. Am I right?
2:36 You can leave anytime.
Stirring things up are you? You know Gays cannot marry in this state.
I think this thread
Has risen from the dead.
Scroll down if you want to sea
The parting of the waters for me.
2:08
Well said.
Mz,
Usually agree with what you write. But concerning your last; you must realize that your source material for your research may have been written by those who are not supportive of the Judeo-Christian history, and only care to subvert it. Context is everything.
Everything up until 2300 BC was "prehistoric", since there was no written word.
After that, progressively more and more people were able to read and write. There are MANY copies of the Bible recorded at very early times. Some a bit different than others, but all generally correlate.
I find the differences interesting, and reassuring. If all were exactly the same, that would be odd. Same for the gospels. The differences make them more believable.
Even the gnostic gospels are fascinating.
In the 20th century, the vast majority of archeologists did not use the Bible as source material for their research, believing the Bible to be "myth".
Over the years, as they dug more and more, they found the Bible to be highly accurate in geography and setting.
One of the last great discoveries (1992 I believe) was a stele, confirming David as a great king of Judea. Up until that time, he was considered a fictional character.
Moses
To add to what mzchief said, it's difficult for me to reconcile how and why so many Christian beliefs coincide with pre-Jesus pagan beliefs. Even the death and resurrection of Christ was remarkably similar to earlier Greek and Egyptian saviours.
12:58 says: "The "gospels" to my knowledge are Mark, Mathew, Luke and John. None of these men were even alive when Jesus was." I find it interesting that Jesus's disciples were not alive when he talked to them and met with them at the "Last Supper".
3:06
"Gays" cannot "marry" any time. Marriage require three entities; a man, a woman, and God.
A man and a woman, and no God, ...no marriage.
Man and a man, then no God.
Woman and a woman, then no God.
Up until the last few decades, there have been no questions about this, considering thousands of years of history.
My question about all this is, if you do not believe in the Judeo-Christian God, then why would you WANT to be "married". What would be the purpose?
Without God, homo or hetero, just shack up and be happy. Surely no need to formalize it religiously.
Then considering marriage in the legal sense, what is the point? Why did the government even get into the marriage business in the first place? Money for marriage licenses? Does not seem right.
So God plus man plus woman. Carry on. Have a good marriage.
Any other relationships, just do as you wish, but don't try to change the definition of marriage for everyone else.
Elvis in Las Vegas
To anonymous 3:09...
A vast amount of my research was done with the assistance of a rabbi and Catholic priest.
Here are a few links that will substantiate my FACTS. Surely, you have no bias against the Catholic Encyclopedia or the library of Faith Television.
It is not necessary for me to utilize organizations that are anti-religion to obtain damning facts about religion. Facts are facts and rarely does it matter the source so long as the facts remain facts rather than opinions.
12:48 All across this nation there are pictures hanging on the walls of churches everywhere of members, etc. I suspect that most of them are sinners in one form or another. You personally nor anyone else knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors away from the church.
Talk about shallow, Have you looked in the mirror lately?
For once I agree with mzchief! You can accept God and worship Him without believing everything in the Bible is literal. That doesn't make one less of a Chrisian; just less of a Baptist, fundamentalist, or legalist. I bet you guys who stress over the literal interpretation of this stuff will see us non-literalists right up there in Heaven with you, and we had a lot more fun here on earth getting there!
12:48 help me out here. Are you saying that it is ok to sin as long as you don't flaunt it in the church?
i don't remember inviting or having anyone by the name of GOD at my wedding, just a preacher. What does this person look like? Maybe a description will help me.
OMG! if he wasn't there does that mean I was involved in a fraud?
Oh no, i'm going to jail!
Elvis, up until the last few decades, there have been no questions about this because gays were too scared to come out of the closet.
Believe it or not...there are quite a few gays in Wise County. And some are in high positions...not trailer trash. You might be surprised. Once you know a gay person, you usually like them and respect their contributions to our community. Your ignorant comments are usually humbled and silenced. I have a few gay friends out here and they are impressive people. Nuf said.
I'm 10:22 and I was raised Southern Baptist, not Fundamental at all. I do not apologize for being Christian, nor do I run from admitting that I am. Very proud to be a believer in Christ. I agree completely with what 2:08 posted as well.
Gay men are fabulous! You men who beat your chest and say UGGGG could sure learn a thing or two.
4:07
>i don't remember inviting or having anyone by the name of GOD at my wedding, just a preacher. What does this person look like? Maybe a description will help me.<
Um, the Almighty, Yaewah, Elohim, The Great I AM. No pics. For him to have been at your wedding, He would have had to have been invited. Then HE would have had to be involved in the marriage.
If not, then why in the world did you marry? What is the point. You like cake? Like the ceremony, the advertising that you hooked someone?
Why not just shack up and have fun however you wish.
>OMG! if he wasn't there does that mean I was involved in a fraud?<
Only you and your spouse can judge that.
>Oh no, i'm going to jail!<
Nope. There are no religious requirements for making a "marriage" "legal". You just have to have a breathing man and woman. But still, what is the point?
El
R and R,
I disagree. The whole Mormon multi-partner debate falls in the same category.
El
Mz,
My goodness, facts are disputed constantly.
In all walks of life, you have facts which are contrary to other facts.
The veracity of "facts" must be judged each on their merits.
There are almost no absolutes.
Only the best judgement of events at singular points in history.
Further, individual sources interpret facts in different ways.
Big subject.
To Your Majesty...
Oh, you just had to go there, didn't you....*LOL*
Here are the AMAZING similarities between Horus an Egyptian deity worshiped for thousands of years several thousands of years prior to the arrival of Jesus of Nazareth.
The Horus myth/fable was found inscribed in countless slabs of stones and tombs throughout ancient Egypt. There is no way the Horus worshipers could have copied the Christ worshipers but there is every possibility that the Christ worshipers copied the Horus worshipers.
The crazy Christians are no less fanatical in their worship of their demi-god, Jesus than are the Muslims of their demi-god Muhammad.
Marriage has not been around as a monogamous relationship within the Jewish religion until well after the destruction of the Second Temple , around 70 AD.Before that, Jews had multiple wives, and Christ was as I stated earlier proundly Jewish. So, let's please not mix now and then.
MZ @ 2PM, good one girl.
Beer out the nose funny anony 9:45 am
10:57 AM, that would depend on whether the watermelon was underage or not.
Crazy, Radical, going-nuts Muslims probably have simular arguments among themselves about which branch is the "Right One" to go with.
I been askin god to make this discussion end, and here we just keep yammering on. Is that proof there's no god?
Lots of stuff out there for controversy. This is something from another blog:----------------
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Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who is his own Father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood, while telepathically telling Him that you accept Him as your Master, so that He can remove an evil force from your soul which is present in all humanity because a woman made out of one rib bone and a mound of dirt was tricked into eating fruit from a magical tree by a talking snake. ------------------------
"yeah. makes perfect sense"
7:39, May be that God did not answer your asking because you did not capitalize "g" so He thought it was not meant for Him.
Mz,
Come on. Don't go to Bill Mahars movie for any facts.
There are almost ZERO similarities between Jesus and Horus.
OK, they were both born under unusual circumstances.
7:44
Funny, God predicted you would say that.
To anonymous 6:56...
As told, the tale of Jesus of Nazareth indicates he was NOT "profoundly Jewish." According to the tale, Jesus spurned the tenets of the Jewish religion as well as ALL laws relating to Judaism. Then again, Jesus was none too keen when it came to following Roman laws, hence the whole crucification scene along with two thieves.
3;28, Of course there are pictures of church members hanging in churches,or directories everywhere. No, I'm not saying they are NOT sinners, just that they do not flaunt their sins in the picture! I don't think they include mistresses in their family pics, nor do they bring their favorite "bottle" to include in the pictures...etc. Can you NOT GET THE POINT? Churches MUST stand by their own doctrine and standards or they don't "stand" for anything. People join churches to worship like kind. To preach against homosexuality, drinking, beastiality, etc and yet allow pictures of the churches members to include IMAGES of those sins among such members is absurd. The fact that you cannot wrap your little self around that simple discipline is also absurd.
I don't have a problem with different religions and I don't have a problem with what they want to believe. But I DO have a problem with putting a picture of Budda in a Christian church. That just wouldn't be "kosher" now would it. Well, picturing members engaged in the sins the church preaches against is also not "kosher."
To each his own, but again I say, the church must stand by what it preaches..... period. If you don't like what it preaches, find yourself another church! (There are more than enough to chose from, right?)
To anonymous 8:12...
I would not go to Bill Mahar's public stoning if I was invited and someone else held my bucket of stones and threw them for me much less watch ANY movie/program featuring Bill Mahar.
I have no idea what you mean by his movie but you should look at the link I provided and you will see there are SEVERAL similarities in the two myths featuring Horus and Jesus.
Thank you mzchief!! I could not have said it better! The Bible is myth, poetry, metaphor and allegory... not meant to be factual, literal,or historical... It is a record of how pre-modern humans related to and explained the Ultimate Reality (Old Test) and a "new" religion (New Test). Spiritual evolution is a fact, not opinion. Our normative religious views are obviously changing. To the people who complain about this blog exchange regarding religion... please allow others to discuss topics that do not interest you...I have passed over topics that are not of concern to me, without comment. It is the nature of a blog.
No wonder there won't be many in Heaven.
"7:44
Funny, God predicted you would say that.
8:13 PM"
Wrong 813. PM. I said up front that it was something posted from another blog. I did not say it. So God did not predict I would say it. But Carry on anyway.
8:13 pm anonymous - Funny, God predicted you would say that.
To mzchief at 8:29
I agree with you that Jesus was not big on the laws of restriction within Judism, but I have found many Christians can't accept he was Jewish....born, raised and died as a Jew.I see him as passionately concerned about the shape of his society. I see him as advocating a politics of compassion in a social world dominated by a politics of purity.
It is not unlike I see within some religions today, including Christianty.
Mz,
Shouldn't you be at the range practicing your golf swing?
;))
Mz,
There will be several similarities in the stories of any two people, or entities.
Of the THREE stories of Horus, none of the classical Biblical descriptions of Jesus' life apply.
Horus' mother was not a virgin.
Not crucified.
Not transfigured on the Mount.
Not supposed to arise, nor reign later for a thousand years.
No law he was supposed to fulfill. No fortelling of his birth whatsoever.
Mother was not Mary.
No sermon on the Mount.
He was never baptized.
Many others, to numerous to mention.
To anonymous 11:15...
Jesus did not die as a Jew. Due to his unwillingness to follow Judaic laws, Jesus was cast out of the Jewish community which is one reasons he was turned over to the Romans.
If a person is to believe the tales of Jesus, the reason Jesus split from the Jewish faith is because the rules that allowed a person to know Yahweh/God were far too exclusionary and made it impossible for people not born Jewish and poor Jews to know God. One of the things I find most psychotic about the Christian twist on the Jesus tale is that Christians have taken the efforts of Jesus, to make knowing God an ALL inclusive cult, and turned it into VERY exclusive sects.
You have to give credit to the religious sects for having figured out the selling power of; "Our product is the best and only product you need and if you do not buy it we will kill you." when it comes to marketing eternal salvation. Of course, in recent years, the Christian sects have lightened up on the "kill you part" of their marketing campaign. Since Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity, I certainly hope the Muslims have a little faster learning curve than the Christians so civilization does not have to wait another 350 years for Muslims to get past their faze of killing people who do not buy the Islam brand of religion.
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To Jarhead...
It is too hot for me to play outdoors so here I am sifting through the turds and playing in Barry's sandbox.
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To anonymous 11:59...
Just because you say so does not make it true. I showed you a link to substantiate my claim you need to do the same.
You don't get it yourself, 8:34. Just because two men decide to be photographed together does not neccessarily mean they are gay. They could have been brothers or mearly just friends.
On another note, they were a COUPLE not MARRIED. The bible says MARRIED.
If a father who is child molester with his own daughter(s) behind closed doors is in the same photograph with his daughters you would not know this. What's the difference? Wouldn't that be FLAUNTING a sin too?
Judgemental
If a church runs off multiple pastors for issues that are not related to moral, ethical, or Biblical issues . . .
If a church's membership agrees to follow SBC recommendations and have a 60 day time of prayer, but a few powerful deacons decide that the 60 days aren't needed, that they know what to do . . .
Would that church be thrown out of the Southern Baptist Convention??
To anonymous 10:42...
If the issue does not involve gays, sex and/or gay sex I feel comfortable in asserting that SBC would say it was an "internal issue" and allow the leaders of the individual Baptist church to do as they bloody well wanted.
Mzchief,
If a father abuses his daughter, I don't believe it will be depicted in the picture. The two men in question were known homosexuals, have over the years argued with the churches preaching against homosexual behavior and then threatened suit if their picture as a couple "living in sin" (according to the church's doctrine and the Bible) was not allowed along with other members. You people who cannot seem to understand the church's position on this are either very shallow or very stupid.
If you, as a parent, raised your children to be against illegal drug use. Would you then hang pictures of known drug users in your home? Of course not. The logic is that simple.
Mzchief, you spout quite a lot of your opinions on here, but that is all they are, your own opinions. You blast the Bible as being written by mere humans, thus giving the Bible absolutely no "authority" in its teachings. Yet, what you read (where ever you read it) is also written by humans, so what makes you think what you spout is more truthful than the Bible? You call Christians "stupid." What's that based on? I happen to know quite a lot of very very intelligent Christians. Are you saying Christians are stupid because they believe in Christ?
Maybe you are the stupid one for not believing. In the end, we'll all finally see the "big picture." But, until then you, as well as others, should be more tolerant and allow others to believe as they will without name calling. I am a Christian, and I can tell you my life without Christ would be completely different. I won't begin to try to explain that, because you have deaf ears to any kind of personal witness. That's fine. You have the choice to do as you wish, but your name calling on here is childish.
Spout what you wish as your own opinion, and remember it only comes from what you have read, literature written from mere humans. That means you are no more intelligent than others who happen to believe in other literature written by humans, but humans who were enlightened by God.
I'm not going to discuss the "picture" or "flaunting" any further. If, by now, you and the others have not understood what is being said, then you are a lost cause. I will say, as I have said before on this blog, YOUR continous Christian bashing offends me, because I am a Christian.
Maybe this will lighten the mood:
Reverend Boudreaux was the part-time pastor of the local Cajun Baptist Church and Pastor Thibodaux was the minister of the Covenant Church across the road.
They were both standing by the road, pounding a sign into the ground, that read:
'Da End is Near
Turn Yo Sef 'Roun Now
Afore It Be Too Late!'
As a car sped past them, the driver leaned out his window and yelled, 'You religious nuts!'
From the curve they heard screeching tires, and a big splash...
Boudreaux turns to Thibodaux and asks, 'Do ya tink maybe da sign should jussay.....'Bridge Out?'
mzchief
11:15 here
Again I'm basically saying the same.
To anonymous 11:47...
I did not make it all the way through your rant. However, I did read the first few lines of the first couple of paragraphs. If you had paid attention to my 2:00PM comment you would realize I was telling people who do not like the rules of a cult they need to move on to a sect that has rules that suit their lifestyle.
As for you not agreeing with my research and opinions regarding the origins of the Christian Big Book of Myths and Fables, I would expect nothing more from someone who had bought, hook line and sinker, the man-made rules surrounding the adherence to a myth that has been around for nearly 10,000 years. Jesus is nothing more than the most recent incarnation of a centuries old MYTH. If it makes you feel better about you being you to buy into the Jesus myth, good for you. However, the fact so many people, like you, feel compelled to force the Jesus myth onto the general populace is not only annoying it is an INSULT to people who know better.
I believe a religion that requires its members to worship a demi-god, such as Jesus, in order to be able to achieve closeness to God is doing more the devil's work than God's work. I do not require some demi-god to permit me to know the loving touch and comforting embrace of God. You go ahead and hug Jesus and I will embrace God. I hope it works out for you but I have my doubts.
Boy, there's nothing quite like a religious discussion to light up Barry's blog.
A clergy friend says most religious institutions are run by men who want the freedom to do anything they want to do and tell everybody else, especially women what to do.
I have no idea whether this is right or wrong, but it sounds interesting considering some churches won't let women become clergy or serve on the boards that govern the institution.
This will likely bring on another barrage of Scripture passages.
Mz,
You have been duped (as many have) by the Jesus/Horus myth, that was debunked about five years ago.
The myth was first propagated by Gerald Massey in the 1800's. Acharya S revived the myth in recent years.
The problem is, neither author presents ANY historical or archeological evidence for the claims of Horus.
There is absolutely no record in the Book of the Dead, or on any Egyptian text or hieroglphics that substantiate the claims about Horus. In a survey of 20 Egyptologists requesting verification of the Horus claims, they rather debunked all of the claims.
This is a myth, propagated by avowed atheists. Why they care that much, to waste so much time, is beyond me. Most atheists I know just lives their lives, and ignore religion. If you are not a believer, why waste time on something you do not believe in? Are these folks trying to save believers from something? Or do they realize they have a soul, and are looking for answers?
Anyway, the following is a thread on an atheist website, taking the Horus claims one by one, and asking for any Horus source material that supports the claims. Three of the most innocuous claims are verified.
They both were of royal descent, but not the same linage. They both performed miricles, but surely not the same miricles. Both had murder plots against them, but totally different stories. That is the sum of the similarities, if you can term them that.
There are MANY links embedded in the thread to Horus source documents. The thread goes on for 36 pages.
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/ending_the_myth_of_horus/
Much shorter, the following refutes all of the claims, but without documentation:
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html
Although the atheists rant, make generalizations, berate, etc, within this thread, they cannot come up with ANY source material to support the Horus claims.
The web page you provided is simply the claims, without source material for documentation.
In short, there are none.
Ra
I do not know why that link did not reproduce. It should be:
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/ending_the_myth_of_horus
Ra
I don't believe in any of these supposedly "organized" religions. I'm a very happy and compassionate atheist. So rant on ya'll.
So 4:59, maybe you can answer my question. Why do a few atheists need to attempt to convince Christians, or other religeous folks that they are wrong?
Why do those atheists care?
That link still does not come out. After the word "ending", is supposed to be:
_the_myth_of_horus/
Ra
Mz,
Jesus is God's son, therefore I embrace them both, and they have "worked out for me" for years and years. Thank you.
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