It's finally here.
You know, if you look at any of those pundits (conservative and liberal) who break down the electoral college, it doesn't look like there's any way Obama can lose this thing.
And that's the first time I've said that.
And regarding that prayer time tonight at First Baptist, I suppose it's OK to pray that God's will be done. And I guess a person could pray for a McCain victory if it be God's will and still be on firm First Baptist ground. But can you just go in there and pray for a McCain victory because that's what you want? I mean, you can but is it theologically sound?
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11.03.2008
Time Magazine Just Landed On My Desk
It's finally here.
You know, if you look at any of those pundits (conservative and liberal) who break down the electoral college, it doesn't look like there's any way Obama can lose this thing.
And that's the first time I've said that.
And regarding that prayer time tonight at First Baptist, I suppose it's OK to pray that God's will be done. And I guess a person could pray for a McCain victory if it be God's will and still be on firm First Baptist ground. But can you just go in there and pray for a McCain victory because that's what you want? I mean, you can but is it theologically sound?
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From your statement Barry, You don't know the Bible very well do you?
I think its ok for people to pray for a victory, one way or the other. That has been going on for a long time, and nothings wrong with it. If you have a church service and pray for one candidate or the other, you would be jeopardizing the church's tax exempt status, which is ok with me too. Keep the politics and religion separate.
Don't stir up the Baptists. They will bring down the thunder on you.
What's the over/under on the amount of cities that will have riots or looting after the election ( Win or Loss )? I predict 5 cities at least!
Go aheasd and stir up the Baptists. We are all fixing to be facing east anmyway. Bout the time he gets all of our guns taken up, gets his police force in place, and opens the gate for immigrants.
If you want to argue with this position please do so. But please first explain why Obama says in HIS book that in time of trouble, he will stand with the Muslims. If you want to flame my post, fine. But explain, his own words please.
I'll take the over!
Hey Jethro
Site the page # from the above mentioned book.
Hey 10:26, FYI a church can pray for whomever they darn well please without jeopardizing their tax exempt status. The IRS cannot dictate the subject of prayers the last time I looked at the tax code.
Would it be Ok to pray that Pelosi, Reid and Obama get so crossways in their rush to adopt every socialist idea proposed in the last 50 years that they get nothing done? (if we use the last 2 years as a guide of their accomplishments, it would be possible)
Or how about prayers for the health of justices Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts so they can strike down as much of what is passed as possible.
It is still OK to pray in church, isn't it?
Of course, you're NOT supposed to pray for what YOU want in these situations. How selfish is that?
Hey Denny Crane.... Come Tuesday night I am going to lean out my window and scream "I WANT MY MONEY & I want it NOW" just like the commercials on T.V. from that A.G. Wentworth (or whatever his name is).
Who was it that said there is a Sucker born every minute !!! They HAD to be thinking about people like you !!
OBAMA .. OBAMA ... OBAMA ...
10:19 Yes, Which book and what page is that on?
Be specific.
If punditry and polls could be believed, we'd be choosing between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani tomorrow.
I am 10:19..Audacity of Hope. Page 261 he says he had met with Arab and Pakistani Americans post 9/11 and they were worried about their citizenship. He said "....I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. "Muslim" has been inserted in all of these emails and blogs ILO Arab and Pakistani.
I would not buy the crooked son of a bitches book so it does not matter to me. He damn sure wasnt raised like I was and I am having trouble trusting anybody WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE CONDITION AND WHEREABOUTS OF HIS OWN AUNT.
Please God forgive all the starving pigmy's in Bornio and please don't let Barack Osama win cuz we'll all go to hell if he does.
I'm attempting to prepare myself if Obama is elected so I have a question. Now take your time with an answer, I probably have about two years before I am required to do anything. Which way am I suppose to face when looking at Mecca? I get mixed up with directions and don't want to look the wrong way. For instance, I would hate for my big ole fat butt to be facing Mecca at the improper time, when the muslim chant starts from the courthouse. Just axskin!
I'd like to know the views of people about the Oath taken on The Holy Bible.
If, Hussein Obama does win the presidency he will not take his oath on The Holy Bible, he will take his oath on the Muslim Quran Book.
How do you feel about this?
10:19/11:18
Is it that hard to check actual facts before you start spreading total fabrications, especially about a book you admit you have not bought? The statement "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" does not actually appear in the book. Rather, it is a rewording of a passage on p. 261 in which Obama spoke of the importance of not allowing inflamed public opinion to result in innocent members of immigrant groups being stripped of their rights, denied their due as American citizens, or placed into confinement, as was done with Japanese-Americans during WWII. The actual passage contains no specific mention of "Muslims."
Here's the actual quote:
In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani AMERICANS, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
Barry, we don't really know how FBC will handle the prayer vigil tonight.
Personally, I think it is a good idea if folks are not coerced into voting one way or another.
Boy that can alienate folks in a hurry.
11:58 - Obama us not a Muslim - you must be one of those brilliant 23% of Texans that think he is. Unbelievable! You guys make Texas a laughing stock for the rest of the nation.
Here's a joke - I heard it on late night TV -
Barak Obama sat in a pew at Rev. Wright's United CHurch of Christ for 20 years, which makes him a Muslim.
John McCain doesn't go to church, which makes him a Christian.
Hardy Har Har
Seriously, make up your mind when judging Obama - are you going to bash him for being a member of Rev. Wright's church for 20 years? Or you going to claim he's a Muslim?
Oh, I know - you'll do both.
11:58
His oath on the Quran will be 100% more accurate than George Bush's oath on a STACK OF BIBLES.
Has EVERYONE forgot about the last eight years and we want to vote in McSame? Mr. I voted 90% of the time with George W ... McSame ???
Congressman Keith Ellison, the first Muslim to be elected to Congress, took his oath office using the Koran. He used a Koran that belonged to Thomas Jefferson. Guess Mr. Jefferson didn't get the memo on Islam in America.
If an elected official's religion is such a contentious issue, it may be best just to do away the holy-book oath altogether.
HEY, 11:58. I thought HE was a Christian.
HEY, 11:58. I thought HE was a Christian.
I'm not tired of the election coverage, I'm tired of the ignorance and racism which has become so apparent since Obama became the Democratic nominee. He stands for change, and that's what everyone is scared of- oh and that little box beside African-American that's checked.
McCain says he's pro-life, but "he's glad young girls aren't having to obtain abortions illegally because of the health risks." Oh and he does think abortions should be legal in the case of rape, incest, or risks to the mother's life. Umm, that means he's pro-choice. Oh and he doesn't want to legalize same sex marriage, but he does think same sex partners should have the same rights as married couples.
I'm sure the continued racism in America is much more of a dissapointment to God than if we elect a Democrat. And besides, if Obama is elected, it is God's will.
12:48 - so true. Bush - ah such a dedicated Christian...before he was elected he bragged about his ties with the "elite" of the Christian community - namely James Robison and the likes.
Bush and Rove USED the Christian community to get the Republican party into control.
Spare me from that kind of Christians. And some of THEM are the ones spreading this Muslim crap about Obama. Shame on them!
Glad Bush and ilk are about gone.
None of this will make a shit anyway. The Congress and Senate will still be for sale, whether it is Republican, Democrat, or Muslim. The President aint gonna do shit cause he is paid off too. Lobbyists win, life goes on. Joe Biden has had 29 different refinance mortgages thru Countrywide on a 3 million dollar house and he makes 135k per year. Hussien Obama has kinfolk in this country living illegaly, off of the government tit.
Bush is NOT a liar. If he was, he would have planted weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
I think William "i did not have sex with that woman" Clinton might have been a liar.
Hey 1:25 if your a whit guy why don't you go try to join J. Wrights church and see if they let you in!! Obama is a big racist you just wait and see!
Hey 1:04 pull your silverback head out of your hairy ape ass!keith ellison is a blackrican muslim.This country was not founded by shiite heads!And I expect you want jehad schools popping up all over AMERICA so we can wrap out kids heads in towels and teach them to be suicide bombers!Want to know the real problem here, we are so afraid of hurting some ones feelings ...we would rather throw away our whole American heritage and way of life!Would you people just open your house up and let any body and everybody in."We in the house" ya you may be in the house but we built the mf.
Partner ship for an American America
uncle fester 2012
I swore I wouldn't get caught up in today's weirdness, but I can't help myself.
1:25 - What exactly is Obama going to "change?" And whatever it is, what will it change to? These are questions he hasn't answered, and his supporters can't answer. Obama's history -- what his campaign has not erased or scrubbed -- indicates that he prefers a collectivist/socialist economy, rather than free enterprise. Obama voted that babies who survive abortion should be allowed to die rather than intrude on the mother's "choice." There's more, but that's a couple of things I disagree with Obama about. What's your response?
And yes, there is racism in America. Racism is an unfortunate but universal part of the human condition. (See Spike Lee's School Daze if you don't believe me.) But no other nation in history has done more to combat racism than America. It is foolish and blind to try to single out America as an "example" of racism.
12:48 - Name something specific about the "last eight years" that you are condemning Bush for. That seems to be nothing more than a convenient shorthand phrase for "I'm a Democrat." America has not been attacked on its own soil in seven years. The economy recovered quickly after 9/11 and continued to grow for several years. The housing mess can be attributed to lack of regulation and oversight, which Democrats fought (which has been well documented.) All in all, except for increased partisanship (due mainly to Democrats and the media,) Bush has had a rather successful presidency.
As for McCain being part of the "same," Obama voted with Democrat leaders 97% of the time. There is no instance of him crossing party lines or reaching out to the other side. Yet he's called the candidate of "change." Why? Could it be because propaganda works?
John Hussein McCain
Is everybody going to get a government check or just folks who voted for Obama?
Do the white folks get anything since Obama is half-white or do you have to be colored?
I have not voted yet, is there any way I could go ahead and get a check from Obama, BEFORE I vote, just to make sure he isn't BS'ing me/us?
Oh gawd.
Why would we need to pray that God's will be done? For a believer, and therefore someone who presumably would pray, is God not God? Will God's will not be done regardless?
12:35, Hardy Har Har, he may not be Muslim but he is more from an Arabic blood line than that of African American, check it out!
1:25, you prove the point of the Democrats using the race card. It has nothing to do with his race but has everything to do with his associates, lack of experience, flip-flops, half truths and socialistic views. I didn't say he was a socialist, don't go jump on that. I said socialistic views. You people piss and moan about change yet no one can explain it. You want change, get rid of that heap of crap Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the others who have been in charge for the last two years. Oh yea, if your boy wins the White House you better pull your 401k, Nancy and Harry want to begin taxing it.
Wordkyle 2:07
If you get in the conversation, it quickly jumps from 'weirdness' to stupid.
You are wrong about everything but insist that you are right. You are unwilling to accept the FACTS.
Your attitude reminds me of Ted Stephens. He was convicted of 7 counts of corruption and what was the first thing he said? ""I have not been convicted of anything""
You live in your own world and it is nowhere near reality.
1:25, it IS possible to disagree with something and not condemn another person for doing what you disagree with. I have a feeling that's difficult for you and several others who comment here to understand.
Has everbobdy forgotten it's called THE WHITE HOUSE and Obama is Black?
Think of what going to happen to the property values.
12:01 Thanks! Good response.
People who spread lies through blogs and emails, and knowingly slander someone just to lessen their chance of winning office should read the 10 commandments. Thou shalt not lie.
And if they want to pray for something over at the Baptist church, these people who spread lies about Obama should ask God to forgive them for moral mischief and malice.
255 - People like you are the reason I wanted to avoid it today.
(sigh)
Care to inform the readers what part of my post is wrong? With evidence, of course. Otherwise, you might be thought of as just another know-nothing, kos-following, talking point-spouting, can't debate, ignorant Liberal -- and I know that wasn't your intention.
C'mon, champ, step up.
Yeah champ. Step it up. I, too can't wait to hear the FACTS your so quick to acknowledge.
Theologically speaking, there is no authority except that which God has established, and all Christians are to submit themselves to the governing authorities (Romans 13:1).Yes, obedient Christians will submit to their authorities because ultimately this honors and glorifies God, the ultimate authority. We as Americans have lived a blessing unparalled by any other nation in this world's history. We have benefited from the fore sight of our founders to operate under the Judeo/Christian code of law, which has no rival in it's protection of an individual's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have honored God in our founding documents, in our pledges and songs,on our government buildings, and even on our money. None of this has MADE God bless us, it has just been the result of His perfect will. But our forefathers believed strongly in honoring His sovereignty.
Also, theologically, it is God's will that believers know His Word, pray in all things, and trust Him with all of your heart. If through this we know Him intimately, then His will and ours will be the same.
First Baptist won't be the only ones praying. And whether you ascribe to the theology of this or not, no one can deny that the act of sincere corporate prayer for God's involvement in this election will be the only honest and constructive action that has taken place during this entire election.
2 Chronicles 7:14
ATTENTION SHOPPERS...
Obama is not black. He is half-black. He is just trying to act black. Do not worry. Do not wring your hands, do not clinch your teeth. Relax. He is just as for sale as all of the rest of them up there, Exxon and the insurance companies will have his ass broke over by Christmas.
I do not care what book he gets sworn in on. The only book he is worried about will be his checkbook.
Barry, you probably sat in the pews of First Baptist about as many years as Obama sat under Rev. Wright. We can only hope Obama left his old church as uninformed as you left yours. The only thing that still puzzles me is that Obama doesn't work near as hard to disclaim and distance himself from his as you do from yours.
Wordbile this is 12:48
I was going to once again explain the truth but 2:55 said it ALL.
You realy are a cock roach !!!
431 - Thanks for yet another opinion. I'll give it all the weighted consideration it deserves.
Your side apparently has issues when it comes to either explaining or truth.
Enjoy wallowing in the mire.
Prayer vigils are not uncommon in the Christian community. It is hope that most the the prayer will be confessional so that God will bless and hear their suplications.
I doubt any prayer asking for anointment for either of these two characters running will go much higher than the ceiling.
God's word in repleat with account after account of using God-fearing and God-less men to accomplish his purpose.
My largest fear is that we will get the man we as a nation deserve!
Obama supports abortion and considers babies born to unwed mothers punishment. My religion is Christian and my God does not allow abortion. So, Christians can pray to their God to give us a president who does not believe in killing 20 week old humans.
I would consider myself a pretty religious person but don't see where God has put His stamp of approval on our country. We are a nation made up of many different religions and many people are Christian. If we would all talk and act Christ-like, maybe more people would join the Christian walk. That said, I really don't believe God cares who wins the election but He does care about how I act, what I say and the things I do. Neither candidate will make me a stronger or weaker Christian and the policies and rules made by the Democrats and Republicans cannot affect my relationship with Christ. Only I can do that. While the "separate religion and politics" line is tiresome (can one separate their thoughts and ideas from what they truly believe?), I may be even more weary of some Christians who seem to abdicate their responsibility to government. Does it matter if our kids pray in school if mom and dad aren't praying at home, aren't studying the Bible? I could go on and on. I'm pulling for McCain because I don't like the idea of someone telling me I have to redistribute what I have - I prefer the Republican way of just slipping it in quietly.
um, 4:14, according to OPRAH, Obama is BLACK! Remember her show a fews years back when she told the entire world that if in one's bloodline there is ONE DROP of "black" blood, then that one IS BLACK!! Only takes ONE DROP...even waaaaayyyy back there! uh huh, we all black then probably. I kinda think SKIN color is the tell tale sign of what ethnic group one belongs to. It's just the way it is!
2:55 - Wordy worships WORDS and FACTS - and if he had an original thought, he couldn't articulate it because he NEEDS AN EDITOR to do that.
Maybe at this prayer vigil, they can offer thoughts and prayers for the Obama Family since his Grandmother, The woman who raised him just passed on the eve of the election.
2:55 WordyKyle bested you! You have been outversed and overworded by a Great MasterdeBater!!!!! He posted: "you might be thought of as just another know-nothing, kos-following, talking point-spouting, CAN'T DEBATE, ignorant Liberal -- "
so you can just suck on an egg. Word is a MasterdeBater that can hold his own. Word the Great MasterdeBater can hold his own indefinitely by himself. Or hold his own against others. Anyway, Word is an expert at holding his own and is very proud of holding it.
Four:Ten, what about the Koran readers praying for a Musim President? You said Baptists won't be the only ones praying.......
So 5:18, if God goes against your beliefs, you are smartly wrong and have to change your mind, or face the Rath Of God!!!! God controls everything! So, if Obama is elected, it is the choice of God, and if this pisses you off, you need to pray to God and tell him how disappointed and pissed off you are at Him. He will be listening...
Oh Boo-Hoo 518. After 12-14 years of complete congress control, and 6 of those years under total control with President and Congress, why was nothing done? What will be different if Dems win big? I'll bet you LOVE executions tho. The 'Ol Repuglican ""Dooble Standard."
I thought 4:14 he was trying to act white. Must be sending mixed signals.
5:32 you are right.Politically and figuratively. Sounds like the Republicans has slipped it into you quitely time after time and you really like it.
Well, get a bunch of TaliBaptist together and see what happens. The only difference in their radicalism is the book they go by.
Obama shows up for his inaugaration dressed like a dune-coon and I am gonna laugh my ass off wathc all of the liberals dive for cover.
He can't do anything without the "republican backing" checkbook of conservative America.
I am a republican and work for myself. I can go for 4 years without making a dime, therefore not paying a dime worth of tax to Obama.
The real question is can all of you liberals last that long? You folks better wake up. The liberal ass media has had this economy shut down for 6 months or longer (literally)and the counry will not take much more of it. And they have shut it down by scaring the hell out of everybody. Bush aint had a thing to do with it. Barney Frank, Pelosi, etc.. might want to check them out. Fags on top of all of that.
WELL WHADDAYA KNOW...
Sarah Palin has been cleared of ethics violations in the so-called "troopergate" scandal.
Of course, the report is released after being in the headlines for two months, and repeated so often in Democrat talking points that the report's conclusion is irrelevant -- the public has already made up its mind about the matter. I wonder if the media knew that running the story for several weeks would have an impact on the election, hmmm?
Gosh, I wonder if the media has as much curiosity about the video of Obama that the LA Times has in its possession, or the reason Barack "my brother's keeper" Obama has relatives living in squalor, or the names of all the "anonymous" contributions to his campaign....maybe we'll find out after the election. That kind of stuff needs thoughtful, quiet deliberation before it makes the news, y'know.
If Obama wins, I think buyer's remorse is going to set in pretty quickly.
(In related news, Tom Delay is still awaiting trial on the charges that prosecutor Ronnie Earle pursued, needing multiple grand juries to get the result he wanted. Torquemada had nothing on Democrat prosecutors during political campaigns.)
Barry, if Obama wins do you know if we can start getting our free stuff, checks, and free health care immediately or do we have to wait until he is castrated, I mean inaugarated?
Obama is saying he is going to "cut" my taxes. I have never had to pay any taxes, does that mean I can get some extra stuff for free?
Can I get free stuff when I vote tomorrow?
If Obama does not win can you help me file a lawsuit or something cause I want him to win, I got some cousins in Kenya and I heard he can get them in here, no problemo.
7:53 - I don't like it. Sarcasm doesn't always play well in the written word. That said, I surely would not prefer Obama's idea of me doing the work and someone else getting the fruit of my labor. In fact, I voted for more Libertarian candidates than either Democrats or Republicans. Just because I don't like Obama and voted for McCain out of necessity doesn't mean I am Republican or enjoy all the things they do to me.
If Obama wins, then I am going to stop paying my $420 per month health insurance premium because you rich Republicans will be made to pay your fair share. I guess there are a few rich Democrats like Frank, Kennedy, Gore, Obama, Barry Green, etc. who will also have to pay their fair share. Or do they have the laws written so they are not "rich"? You bet your ass they do. When Kennedy dies I am going to get a copy of his probate records to see what it shows. Oh, he owns nothing, so there will be no probate!!! He probably qualifies for food stamps.
Rather than reading the previous 63 comments, I'll just suggest that God must have better things to do than worrying about a crummy election. Gee, he/she has an immense universe with zillions of objects, organisms and stages of development. This event must really seem like small potatoes to him/her.
OOh OOh Voting2x said...
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That established:
I voted for some Libertarians in this and about the past 6 elections. You still got it stuck in you pretty good. You Republican in Sheepskin Libertarian clothing........
As Dick Cheney would say/tell you......
WordKyle, go suck a cucumber.
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