2.12.2008

If Jesus . . .


. . . were a pastor in a Fort Worth church who considered giving the homeless a place to sleep at the facility, tried to minister to sex offenders, and think about allowing gays to have their picture in the church directory, I wonder what would happen?

Uh, these days he'd be the ex-pastor of the Broadway Baptist Church.

49 comments:

Johnny Paycheck said...

Sounds like this preacher might have even let in the door.

Bullgog said...

Southern Baptist are just like the Dallas City Council, the Dallas ISD School Board and the Dallas County Commissioners---they are going to fight and bicker over something, period. This is typical Southern Baptist BS. "I'm pissed, let's split. Literally"

Jarhead said...

I thought it was John who was the Baptist, not Jesus...

Anonymous said...

just a question but do you ever post ANYTHING good about churches?

Eatme said...

All the good they do and have done will all be undone in their effort to keep the pastor.

Having gay people come to church and showing them the love of Jesus is our calling. Publishing pictures of gay couples in the church directory; that's embracing the sin.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. It's the same as Jesus with the money changers in the temple. Yes, it is that simple.

Do you think there is a reason that gay couples don't start their own churches? Do you think there is a reason they want to integrate into a Baptist Church? Why do you think they prefer integration? Isn't it all very obvious?

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh 3:38 I'd hate to be you. Carrying around all that suspicion and anger. And just fyi the "gays" as you call them have plenty of their own churches. And, they even let non-gays as well as other sinners worship with them without judgement....what a concept, huh?

Anonymous said...

If you are a Pastor, a Senior Pastor, you would know what the by-laws of the church were when you came. Instead of pushing an issue that will only divide the congregation you should pick another church that best matches your personal convictions. The pastor needs to GO! I wouldn't be a part of this church in the first place, but I think it's their right to believe anything they want to. A house divided against itself can not stand.

Anonymous said...

The article mentions the opponents questioned HOW the homeless and RSO efforts were managed, not WHETHER it was OK to minister and help them. Again, we'll have a bazillion comment on here based on a misreading of the original article.

Anonymous said...

I love religous posts.... so many heated comments!

Anonymous said...

Lord help us if we split the congregation doing the Lord's work.

Its okay to be Baptist(or your religion of choice) as long as you aren't TOO Baptist(or your religion of choice).

WWJD?

Anonymous said...

Churches, probably mostly TaliBaptist Churches, don't want sinners, homeless, po' folk, trash folk, and such. They want rightous, Right-Wing, hard-working, has money, members. Someone to put their pokes in the Tythe Pot. Gays can go to the Church but yet not be allowed in the Church Directory? Did the Church turn down that Gay Money if they offered it? Why don't the Good Brethern just Tar and Feather the Hell out of them Gay SOB's and get them out of their place of Christian Worship and Fellowship? Just let Good Christians in and be done with it. God will thank the good Brethern because it makes His job easier if they can be culled here on earth before standing in Court before God in Heaven to see if they are worthy to enter, or not. Get rid of this Preacher now.

Eatme said...

3:48 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no suspicion or anger concerning this issue, whatsoever. Although, I subscribe to the teachings of Jesus the Christ, not Jesus the Politically Correct.

The concept of gay people integrating into Christian churches is nothing new. If they can change the law of the land, they can probably change the bylaws of a church; hence, the creation of the separation of church and scripture.

Maybe they will allow pole dancing in a couple of years.

Anonymous said...

Hey, is there anyway we can turn this thing aroung and just blame the Democrats?


Ronald Reagan Jr.

Anonymous said...

Funny thing, we don't have any of these issues at our Temple.

Saul Roth Jr.
Previously from Miami, FL

Eatme said...

3:48 PM

BTW, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't try to alter what I said.

I NEVER called them "gays"...you did!

I'm sorry, flaunting sin in the church directory is not worship, it's advertising.

Anonymous said...

Can I take my man/boy lover to this church and we get our picture published in the directory, too?

Anonymous said...

Child Porn Baptist Church, Families are welcome!

Anonymous said...

Can my wife and mistresses be in the same picture?

House of R & R said...

How funny is it to declare "I subscribe to the teachings of Jesus the Christ" and have a post name of eatme...

Anonymous said...

House....

That's an aggie with an Electrical Engineering degree. (check out a Texas A&M baseball cap, it will make more sense. HINT: the T is in the middle)

Double Fake Mack Brown

M&M said...

I'm curious as to the doctrine. If this church subscribes to the doctrine of 'once saved always saved' and if everyone involved has been saved, including the gays then everyone should be on the same level of savedness. It would seem then, that all should be included in the directory as equal members.

Anonymous said...

BEST I CAN TELL, BRO. YOUNGER IS STILL THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH WITH AT LEAST 200 LEADERS IN SUPPORT. ONE MAN HAS SIGNED A LETTER WITH THE CLAIM OF REPRESENTING "A GROUP" WHO WISH TO ASK FOR A VOTE OF REMOVAL. INSTEAD OF NOTING THIS AS A LARGE GROUP THAT IS WORKING THROUGH A DISAGREEMENT, YOU CHOOSE TO INCITE ANTI-RELIGIOUS HATE BY FALSELY REPORTING THAT BRO. YOUNGER IS AN EX-PASTOR BECAUSE OF UNFAIR TREATMENT. BARRY, YOU REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS YOUR REPRESSED ANGER AT GOD AND EMBARASSMENT OF BEING A PART OF ONE OF THESE ORGANIZATION OR CLAIM THE AGNOSTIC/ATHIEST LABEL AND DROP A SUBJECT THAT SHOULD BE OF NO CONSCERN TO YOU. BUT GEE, THEN ALL US DUMB PEOPLE THAT YOU SUCK INTO THESE RIDICULOUS RANTS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN FOR YOUR FANS, THE LESS GIFTED.

monkey said...

There are many forms of sin. Murder, adultery...etc. Jumping the curb and taking the dirt road is just one of many. If sinners are not allowed in church with the rest of us "good people"...Then church is nothing more than a social club...A non-social...social club.

Anonymous said...

Pubiclicans are sexually repressed, that is why the "Eat Me" text comes into play. Conservatives just do not like sex unless it is the two or three times a year that they do to propagate the species of "Hard Core Right Wing-Nuts that hate anything Liberal, fun, or natural." They should just be forgiven of their Reagan Sins and be done with it. Ask Nancy about the sex. She will probably respond with the classic: "Well, I don't remember."
Republicans are hung up and have major Phobias about sex. Hell, they just don't like it. They all have such self control, they do not regard sex as anything but sin.

Anonymous said...

eatme.....are you really Fred Phelps? Come on, be honest...you are aren't you?

Anonymous said...

Although Jesus would not be qualified to be employed as a pastor in any Christian church I can think of, I will go with the question.

All who wish to worship in His house would be welcomed, providing they repented and prayed forgiveness for their sins. They would have to give up being sexual preditors and gays because those are sins under God's laws and cannot be tolerated in churh. That would make them just like everyone else and entitled to have their pictures displayed accordingly.

Nowadays, churches can make their own rules about who can belong, what is proper and what is not. Most church rules seem to have no relationship to the Holy ordinances and teachings so, ss long as a minister goes along with what the congregation dictates, he has a contract. The exception is the Catholic Church. No one, sinner or not, has an absolute right to join any church of choice. If a person isn't wanted by others or feels discriminated against, he can take a hike.

monkey said...

6:34

pubiclicans?...pubic...licans...pu...biclic...ans... WTF?

Anonymous said...

3:38, I agree with you completely! JESUS preached AGAINST sin, so I guess since this preacher did too and was kicked out, then Jesus himself would have been kicked out for insisting that God's people follow God's law.
Just because people are CHRISTIAN doesn't mean they should just "accept" anyone. There are "evil" people who will never ever be anything but evil. Christians are to put evil behind them. If people blatently SIN over and over and FLAUNT it, then they must repent and change their ways so that they do not. Repentence without change is nothing. My question is, WHY do the people of the church even KNOW these people are "gay?" Are they flaunting their sin in the face of the church? Shame on the congregation that does not uphold God's laws.

Eddie in Paradise said...

Anonymous 6:34

What is a Pubiclican? Sounds like something that they found on the courthouse toilets.

Do you live under a rock? I am conservative, vote Republican and have had sex at least once a week for 15 years of marriage. I like sex and so do my friends. The pastor of my church likes sex. We just don't talk very much about private matters because we don't need to brag about it. I couldn't tell you about the Reagan's sex life. That's none of my business. What do you really know about it? Were you a fly on the wall?

Sex between a husband and wife is not sin. Just because we don't brag about it doesn't mean we don't like it and aren't good at it. My wife and I tear it up!

Insecure people have to brag.

If it weren't for us "right wing nuts" not much would get done. The liberals that I know are much talk, not much action. I could probably work circles around you and still have enough energy to have good sex.

You have no clue.

mzchief said...

If the church welcomes and allows UNmarried heterosexual couples who are living in sin to appear in the church directory there is NO reason for the church to forbid UNmarried homosexual couples who are living in sin to be listed in the church directory. Incidentally, I know an UNmarried church going couple who have been living in sin for 8-9 years. Yes! Church is CHOCK full of folks who openly flaunt the rules in The Big Book of Myths and Fables.

If the bylaws of Broadway Baptist Church does indeed allow for "any officer to be removed by the members whenever the members decide the officer's removal would be in the church's best interest" and enough members or powerful members want the pastor gone then the pastor should be HISTORY. It is THEIR church and the leaders/majority should get to determine how and who interprets the tales in The Big Book of Myths and Fables. Those who do not like the decision should just move on. Face it, it is not like there are not UMPTEEN GILLION flavours of churches out there just waiting to be someone's flavour of the month.

Monkey FU said...

Monkey, WTF is the matter that you can't understand?

Anonymous said...

Fast Eddie, you are the one without a clue. If you like sex and "Tear it Up" with your wife, you are not a true Conservative, or you would just not like sex at all. As Dick Cheney would say.....,

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

*sigh* time for some simple language on this one.

1.) Jesus would minister to sex offenders, homosexuals, and the homeless... as well as adulterers, thieves, prostitutes... plenty of folks most of us feel uncomfortable around.

2.) Jesus would also expect sinners to walk away from their sinful past.

3.) Keeping looking for fault in men and you will always find it. Churches are no exception, why do we expect them to be?

Eddie in Paradise said...

8:40

As my wife said, "Where is THAT written the the conservative doctrine?" Not everyone who has conservative views is a total "square." Just because someone likes sex, doesn't make them a pervert or a sinner. It's how you use something...

Nice comments Mr. Honcho.

It IS about one's relationship with God, not about hypocrites. You can find a hypocrite just about anywhere. When we compare ourselves one to another, we often fall short of where we could be.

BTW, I read the news article and there wasn't enough there to form a solid opinion. You can allow those who continue doing wrong to attend your church, but you can't allow them to have positions of leadership unless they follow the rules. Other things like church directories, I'm not so sure.

Anonymous said...

Frankly, I can't imagine why anyone who is gay, whether single or in a committed relationship, would choose to associate with the Baptist Church at all. But then I don't understand Log Cabin Republicans either. As a gay man, I try to make a distinction between those who are "merely" ignorant and may be open to education versus those who are willfully ignorant and use the bible as an excuse to hate. I have a certain degree of patience (to a point) with the former and no use at all for the latter.

Anonymous said...

Well 8:34, Monkey was asking the same basic question that eddie was. WTF is a pubiclican? I doubt you can answer it.

Anonymous said...

Jesus would just die if had to deal with all those ass wipes.

Anonymous said...

9:42...Please answer a question for me. I dont care if you are gay. I dont care what you do in your home. However, I can't understand the big parades and flaunting of gayness that you see in certain parts of the gay community. It is rather rank at times and seemingly antagonistic. This is a legitimate question from someone who is merely ignorant.

Jarhead said...

I'm gay, too. Especially when it's really nice outside and I go to the lake with my family and we take the boat out for awhile and then come back and cook dinner on the grill. Those times make me feel really happy. It's such a gay old time. We all feel really gay. It's the gayest.

Anonymous said...

10:05....

I often question the legitimacy of the term "gay community". It implies, I think, a certain cohesion of identity or cultural unity which does not exist in reality. Gay people are no more inherently alike than are any other random group of people. Granted, there is a certain sameness to many of our coming-out stories and an unfortunate monotony to the types of discrimination that we may encounter; but there is a point where the similarities end. That, among other reasons, is why the term "lifestyle" when applied to homosexuality is such a misnomer. All of this is a long way of saying that I cannot speak for those who ride in parades any more than you might explain why some heterosexuals choose to expose their breasts for a string of plastic beads (abundant resources of alcohol aside). If I had to guess, I would suggest that some are simply the type of people who like to ride in parades regardless of their sexuality. There are others, I am sure, who are releasing years of repression ("flaunting" as you put it) in an environment which feels safe to them. That is an impulse which I can certainly understand. Coming out may be compared to exhaling, finally, after years of holding one's breath.

I don't know if this answers your question. As I pointed out, I can only speak for myself with any authority and merely speculate about the motivations of others.

I would also like to point out, if I may, that being gay is not simply something I do in my home. It is a part of who I AM just as your sexuality is a part of who you are. It informs much of your life in ways which you have the enviable luxury of not having to think about.

Anonymous said...

Well, I wonder if they allow a known homosexual's photo to appear in the directory?

They have a very famous pianist in that church who likely kicks in really big to the budget.

Bet they don't cut Van Cliburn out of the church directory.

And shouldn't. He's one of the nicest, most talented and generous members of Broadway Baptist.

Anonymous said...

anon 12:00

I appreciate your response. I did not mean to imply that you were only gay in your house lol... I can also understand the need to be accepted and to be yourself. I do, however, feel that some gay people look for a reason to be "in your face gay". I realize that other segments of society do the same. It just seem to be counter productive to a segment of society that already has an uphill battle to fight. Again, thank you for your response.

Anonymous said...

12:00 & 9:42
Well-said!
I appreciate you taking the time to explain from your perspective.
I completely support your position.

Anonymous said...

7:11...Thanks

6:06...I can understand your ambivalence about this issue. I know for myself that coming to terms with my sexuality as a teenager was only the first in a series of hurdles in my evolution. One of the biggest was disseminating, confronting and discarding some of the images and stereotypes which were presented to me as "gay behavior". I only knew what it meant to be gay from whispered adolescent stories and depictions on television as it was presented at the time (over twenty-five years ago now). Needless to say the media, then as now, pointedly presented the most extreme of any issue. Much of what I saw was very "in your face" and completely foreign to me and my sensibilities. It took me a long time to understand that there is no prescibed behavior or mode for how one should be as a gay citizen. Ultimately, I had to figure that out for myself.

I don't mean to imply that "in your face" behavior isn't sometimes called for. As a young adult I was fired from jobs, visited a friend in the hospital who was violently attacked, been threatened myself, and listened to political and religious rhetoric which seeks to define and marginalize me to the point of weariness. Many gay men and women must confront injustices, large and small, on a daily basis. When resignation fails, sometimes anger results.

Anonymous said...

All this feel-good, why can't we all just get along, gay talk dances around a crucial issuue. Homosexuality is wrong, in every sense: biologically,biblically, evolutionarily,and logically. AIDS wasn't enough of a wake-up-call? You gotta keep tryin to ruin the species? Go away; humanity doesn't need you

Anonymous said...

I'm going to kidnap a statue of a Dachshund Hound and hold it for ransom until God quits putting homosexuals in my neighborhood

Anonymous said...

I refuse to further tithe the church until they insist Jesus personally picks up all the poopie off my wei..... I mean weiners out of my poo....oops, that's not it either,,,, until 10% of the poopie is on your wei.... oh hell forget it,,,, anybody got any smoke?

Double fake Bob Marley

monkey said...

9:36

Its okay...you are safe hear...come on out. The closet is no place to be. Let it OUT! You don't have to pretend any longer.

Anonymous said...

to: 9:36 from 6:06

There are many things that are biblically wrong. As for the other "wrongs" who cares. To stay on topic, how can the "church" stay true to its mission, if certain kinds of "sin" are unforgivable. Christ spent his time on earth with the people that he believed most needed him. Not people like you who are perfect. Although the church views homosexuality as wrong, does that mean they are not worthy of respect or simple kindness? If so, then we need to also "save" the "species" from any and all other types of sinners. We will just lock ourselves in the church and keep all the "bad" people out. Thank God humanity has people like you to save us...Dip Shit!