5.02.2007

Compassionate Conservatism

Would the law require the doctor to also strap the mother down, pry her eyelids open and scream, "Look! Look!"?

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20 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is horrible, if the woman doesn't want a sonogram she shouldn't be made to have one. People piss me off, you don't understand what women go thru with unwanted pregnancies until you go thru it, so I feel that no man should have any opinion in it. And the sad thing is people only think of it being an unwanted pregnancy what about pregnancy that are dangerous health wise to the woman or the baby.

Anonymous said...

You left out the w word Barry. I'm sure Patrick really meant "white women should undergo a sonogram" before being allowed an abortion. We all know those evangelical, lily white idiots and ex-radio DJ's you stupid necons elected really don't care about the colored babies being aborted.

JFC people - all this bs is getting ridiculous.

mzchief said...

Legislators requiring a sonogram and forcing a woman to undergo an UNNECESSARY procedure would needlessly increase the cost of an abortion and further exclude impoverished women from being able to exercise their LEGAL option of terminating their pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

gee mzchief...I wouldn't think you would even care.

mzchief said...

To anonyNOTHING 10:06...
If you more frequently made an ATTEMPT to think you MIGHT have greater success.

YOU would be AMAZED at how much effort and care I put into ATTEMPTING to assure that ALL Americans are afforded their RIGHTS.

collectionsite said...

Anon at 7:28 pm.

I disagree with you. As the father of the unwanted pregnancie whom would be by your side in this deccesion. I DO HAVE AN OPINION and it is that the deccesion is yours to do what you want with your body.

Your deccesion will be judged by a Higher Power and not by me or anyone else.

Not ALL pregnant women are alone ;)

Anonymous said...

Women can get the sonograms for free today at pregnancy counseling centers all over the country. So, the requiring the sonogram would have no impact on the cost of an abortion whatsoever. This is a completely mute point in arguing against this piece of legislation.

MZ, I abhore your sanctimonious attitude in defending the rights of all Americans. Are not these babies Americans? Who is arguing for the rights of the unborn?

All the sonograms do is reveal to the potential aborter that there is indeed a life inside them not just a blob of tissue. Typically,
9 of every 10 women who see their sonogram prior to abortion end up choosing life. What is so wrong with this?

Anonymous said...

maybe momma doesnt want to look at her childs eyes before she has it scalded with saline, or it brain sucked out

Anonymous said...

As a man who was part of an unwanted pregnancy at a early stage in life I think it is a great idea. If I knew then what I know now then abortion wouldn't have even been an option. As a young man trying to finish college I was deathly afraid of being a dad with someone I didn't think I could marry. But if we would have gone through with the planned abortion I don't know if I would have been able to live after I had a child later down the road. It would have haunted me for the rest of my life.

Anonymous said...

I am for keeping abortion legal, but I am also for making it easier (and cheaper) for Americans to adopt American babies. Right now, it's easier to go to China, Russia, Africa, etc. and adopt a baby than it is in America. They need to worry about fixing THAT issue first. Maybe if our own adoption system was better, more women could be encouraged to give their kid up for adoption than the other alternative.

I don't think a woman should be forced to get a sono, but it should be HIGHLY SUGGESTED and offered free of charge before she makes this decision. I had a sono at 9 weeks and yep, that was a BABY in there. Same little baby at 9 weeks in my tummy as she is now at 3 months old out in the world. I used to be much more vocal about abortion rights until I saw that little baby with her big head and little arms and legs starting to form. It changes your perspective on things for sure.

Anonymous said...

Sonograms are performed on women who have abortions right before the procedure begins. This is how they know for sure there is a baby in there and what size it is.

Gleemonex said...

This type of thing is just diabolical. Blows my mind.

And by the way, anyone who wants a say in whether or not it is legal to terminate a pregnancy should first be required to know how to spell it.

Anonymous said...

Glee, exactly what is diabolical to you---killing babies or saving them?

Also, surely folks even in San FranSicko know how to spell "it."

LOL

Anonymous said...

Not a bad idea to make people see what they are killing.

Anonymous said...

I am against abortion. However, I don't hate those people who get abortions. What I do hate is the fact that they had unprotected sex while KNOWING the consequences - and then not caring about the unborn life inside the mother as much as they care about the "inconvenience" they may face as potential parents.
If a woman is raped, then that may be another matter. However, taking a life is the same regardless, so maybe I don't have all the answers...

*sigh

Gleemonex said...

11:15: I have a problem with people who judge others for things they know nothing about, i.e. whether the sex in question was "unprotected" (birth control fails or is used improperly, your cycle goes wonky so what you thought was a safe time actually isn't, etc.), or even consensual (ranging from actual rape, to coercion, to underage, which is by law always unconsensual -- thus statutory rape).

And I defy any parent anywhere on earth to tell me that pregnancy and parenting are "inconveniences." "Inconvenient" is having to pick stuff up at the drycleaner's that is three blocks out of your way -- "inconvenient" is NOT risking your life and health to bring to term a fetus that you are in no position to take care of, and then having to somehow provide (or find someone else to provide) lifelong care to the person who results from that pregnancy. Being a parent is the biggest responsibility most people will ever have -- and if you're not equipped for the job, it's not fair for people (who don't even sign their blog posts) to judge you for not being up to the task.

Anonymous said...

From 11:15...

Gleemonex:

First of all, when I said rape, I meant ALL sex acts perpetrated on a woman without her consent. Those you mentioned would fall under that guideline.

And here's a legitimate question: How many birth control devices actually don't work? (I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, I'm really asking) And how many times do girls get pregnant under the false assumption that "I can't get pregnant" for some other reason. Again, I'm saying I don't have all the answ4ers, but those are legitimate questons.
However, I do stand by my convictions about the "inconvenience" remark. Again, under normal circumstances beyond those mentioned above, how many women abort babies simply because "they weren't ready" to have kids, yet they were ready to have unprotected sex. And sorry, "cycle goes wonky" isn't a very good excuse for being irresponsible.
By the way, when do you think the "fetus" you mentioned becomes a "person" you later said would have to be cared for? Can't a heartbeat be registered by sonogram in the very early stages of pregnancy? When does it become murder, i.e., taking a person's LIFE?
Thanks for the discussion...

Anonymous said...

The human baby's heart begins to beat on day 22 of pregnancy.

We have become a society that worships convenience over life itself.

Anonymous said...

I'm pregnant and I got pregnant while on the pill and my boyfriend was using a condom. I have a friend who has a four month old daughter and she was on the Depo shot when she got pregnant. I have another friend who has a 12 year old daughter and she got pregnant after the doctors told her she couldn't, they also removed most of her cervix. Almost every birth that I know of was an unplanned pregnancy. So I feel that birth control fails more then it actually works.

Gleemonex, thanks for standing up for women who have to make difficult decisions regarding pregnancy. I am unmarried and 4 and half months pregnant I am personally against abortion. I also made the first post to this discussion. I couldn't do it about 3 months ago, but how many people who protest it diligently have ever asked a pregnant woman why they are getting or an abortion. Or better yet, offer to pay for all the medical expenses and lost wages, and the first year of life after the child is born? I'm 4 and a half months and already on bed rest due to complications with my pregnancy. I have all of my everyday bills, I also have to pay all of my insurance now, FLMA doesn't cover that, plus all the medical costs. I am single and I have no one to help me. Tell me it's so easy to have a baby when the circumstances aren't more favorable.

And the most ironic thing is the people who protest abortion are the ones who get mad over the welfare issue. I make too much money to qualify for welfare and God help those who make less then me. I make $11 an hour, when I can work that is. How I am suppose to afford a child on that? Can you imagine any less? According to the state since I am single I make $800 too much a month to qualify. That's horrible. But please let's try to force people who can't afford babies to continue their pregnancies and perhaps one day we will do a good enough job that the poverty rate will be sky high and children will starve and die, and we will have a larger welfare problem. Makes a lot of sense!

Anonymous said...

4:59 PM Sorry, but there are consequences to our choices. Expecting everyone else including uncle Sam to clean up our mess is a dangerous road to go down.

Kudos for keeping the baby.