7.19.2006

We Have The First Bush Presidential Veto

Story. Yep, it's his first one ever. But I'm not convinced he understands stem cells, either.

18 comments:

TXsharon said...

He said that it [stem cell research] would be murder and he is against murder.

Huh? Since when?

So, the cells that could have saved lives go in the trash instead. Some culture of life, eh?

The only thing he does understand is how to feed red meat to his rabid, far, far right fringe base that is shrinking smaller and smaller.

This was a very stupid move politically. Oh well...goody!

Reagan RIP said...

Adult stem cells and cord blood stem cells are where the most promising research is being done. Most of the embryonic stem cell research with mice are causing fast growing tumors. Why should the government fund this when private research can do a much better job?

TXsharon said...

75% of Americans support federally funded stem cell research.

Voters, ya know.

We the people...

Of by and for...

TXsharon said...

Plus

This way he can protect the private, corporate research projects from government competition. This way his corporate buddies get to patent the findings and sell them for the big bucks if they find something. This veto served his Fundie base and protected his corporate interests at the same time. It was a two-fer.

With Bu$h it's alway easy: FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Reagan RIP said...

If his buddies want to throw their money down a rat hole instead of taxpayers money, what is the problem? As I said earlier, and you didn't seem to catch, the promising research is in adult stem cell research. And it is coming along without Uncle Sam's help, thank you very much.

comment4U said...

Cheers to Bush for having the nerve. I, for one, am thrilled that he brought out the backbone today.

The President disappoints me on alot of issues, but he came through for the American people today....morally and ethically.

TXsharon said...

Adult stems cells: "They are limited in their ability to develop into specialized cell types." There's more if you care to read it.

From Public Attitudes on Embryonic Stem Cell Research http://tinyurl.com/o6fh7

I have to laugh at the thought of Bu$h as a moral or ethical person because he is neither and his veto had nothing to do with either.

I don't see the morality of throwing cells in the trash when one cell could be used for renewed life.

Craig Hines has a good editorial in today's Houston Chronicle that I agree with--which is that this veto by Bush is a clear example of a religious minority imposing its religious orthodoxy on all citizens, whether they agree with that religious dogma or not! Holy Galileo, Batman!!

Since the VAST majority of Americans support using one cell from each of the embroys before they go into the trash, I think this was not a good political move for him.

Reagan RIP said...

And where is the morality to destroy a perfectly innocent life to do unpromising research with a false hope of improving someone elses life? I guess you believed John Edwards when he said that if he and Kerry were elected that Christopher Reeve would have gotten up out of that wheel chair and walked. Abort the babies, save the vegetables.

Collectionsite said...

Barry ... You Said ...

"But I'm not convinced he understands stem cells, either".

There is ALOT of things Bush does not understand and this is ONE of the MANY ...

This is a very interesting issue with complications on both sides. I have an overwhelming desire and want to help the sick but I really do not want to play God either.

There could be unknown long term effects for mankind. I am with Comment4u ... somethings are best left alone.

m&m said...

I agree with 'reagan rip', to let private research handle it. Why does the government(taxpayers) have to fund everything? Look how much money Jerry Lewis has raised over the years for MD. All volunteer donations.

Also, to be consistent in thinking, someone who is opposed to abortion based on them thinking that life begins at conception, has to believe that destroying a viable embryo is the same thing. That may be what Bush is referring to when he called it murder. Just my interpretation, perhaps I'm wrong.

comment4U said...

Excellent interpretation, M&M...that's where alot of us Pro-Lifers are coming from in regards to the using of LIVE embryos for research.

Just like robbing Peter to pay Paul...you don't snuff out life in order to further it elsewhere.

As for Bush making "stupid move[s] politically?" Somehow, I doubt the President is worried about political moves when it comes to something he'll have to answer to God on...constituents and opinions be damned.

Anonymous said...

Folks, Can we agree that the embryos that are wanted for this research are NEVER going to become fetuses. They come from fertility treatments and are left over after some other embryos have been implanted in a potential mother. The remaining embryos will be flushed! Please explain how you consider them viable life? The "parents" of the embryos have used some and will never offer the others up for implantation into other women. The president's argument just doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

Right on. If they aren't used and if the parents don't want to pay to keep storing them....they throw them away. Get a f*&%cking clue people.

TXsharon said...

And where is the morality to destroy a perfectly innocent life to do unpromising research with a false hope of improving someone elses life?

Nice try, but that is a HUGE stretch. : ) There is no life because it is going in the trash!

However, the cells could live on by helping someone else.

To be consistent in thinking, if you are against this in principle then you should be against infertility clinics because they waste embryos all the time.

If you let private companies do the research, then they will hold the patent. If you ever get sick and need the benefits of the research you had better have a S**T LOAD of money. Have you been paying attention the past few years? You won't be able to afford the therapy.

But, this is all a moot point anyway because it will pass eventually.

TXsharon said...

Somehow I think Bu$h is going to have an awful lot to answer to God for.

Reagan RIP said...

I doubt Clinton will get to have a face to face with God.

TXsharon said...

Outta ammo. Bring up Clinton. LOL! I can set my watch by it.

Nighty night!

Anonymous said...

Some people on this blog just talk to be talking. Gather the facts first, then open your big mouth. Let's see.....throw them away or use them for research to help others. Not really a question, unless your stupid on the issue.