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4.04.2011

Rumor Mill (Back To Top Due To Updated Info)

A Decatur suicide of someone very young? Decatur freshman is the word so far. Developing...

Comes on the heels of a series of Lake Dallas sad incidents.

Edit: I think there's a Facebook tribute page.

Edit: The Messenger finally weighs in. Says a church in Alvord "assumed" it was suicide but there has been no confirmation.

81 comments:

wspouse said...

If the rumor is true and a freshman has died, no matter how or why, his family and friends need prayer and support.

Anonymous said...

I saw the kid's Facebook. It was so sad how some of the kids treated him. All the signs were there that something was wrong. He posted on Facebook recently that if someone saw RIP(his name), would they come to his funeral? It was horrible to see what it led up to. One boy, who deleted his comments, was laughing at the kid for not fighting back in fight.. Sadly, most of the posts after learning of his death are apologizing to him and asking for forgiveness. Maybe it will open up some eyes of what bullying can do.

Anonymous said...

I guess kids and more importantly parents don't understand that using facebook is not required by law, and therefore kids are free to simply ignore it, or use its settings correctly. Being "bullied" on facebook is completely, totally, 100%, absolutely...OPTIONAL.

Anonymous said...

It is rumored also that the kid choked on throw-up in his sleep. Apparently the kid was bullied alot too. I could see it when I would pick up my freshman son right in front of the school and wondered where the adults were.

Anonymous said...

The RIP thing on facebook was being done by lots of kids, including mine. So, don't put alot of merit on that.

Anonymous said...

Prediction. In the near future we'll have a facebook "bully" claim free speech in defense of a suspension or restriction, and win. As crappy as it seems, if the Supreme Court emphatically decides that it's OK for someone to stand alongside a soldier's funeral gathering and shout to the soldier's parents that "we're glad he's dead"...how can we not defend some punk's right to say "Jimmy is a tard"...even if it makes Jimmy so upset he kills himself.

Anonymous said...

7:18am "I guess kids and more importantly parents don't understand that using facebook is not required by law, and therefore kids are free to simply ignore it or use its settings correctly. Being "bullied" on facebook is completely, totally, 100%, absolutely...OPTIONAL."



I agree with this.

Anonymous said...

Yes that is true 7:18. However, He was bullied at school. 12:32 was just saying that evidence of it is on his facebook.

I am really tired of parents who don't police what their kids do on facebook or myspace. You own the computer so you should have their password. It just isn't that hard. Seriously!

Anonymous said...

"Being "bullied" on facebook is completely, totally, 100%, absolutely...UNCALLED FOR!!!!!

Being bullied ANYWHERE, by anyone at any age is not "optional" it's against the law and should not be tolerated.Not by a student, not by a spouse or an elderly person. Abuse is abuse.

Idiots that believe it's "optional" need some education in what it does to a kid, especially one that may not be as "rough and tough" as need be to defend oneself.

If it is a fact that this young person did take his/her life, prayer is definately needed for the family and kids. Pray for the abusers that contributed to this happening that maybe...just maybe they can see the wrong that they have done.

Anonymous said...

Being bullied is 100% likely... IF YOU LET IT HAPPEN!!! Start teaching your kids to stand up for themselves, and quit trying to find places to lay the blame. It's not the school district, of facebooks responsibilty to instill confidence and pride in a child--- it's you, the parents!!!!

Anonymous said...

9:01, You have it all figured out dont you. You dont know what you are talking about. I bet your kid is one of the bullies.

Anonymous said...

Parents have stopped parenting. The parents of kids who bully to the extremes that are happening have stopped parenting and raising their kids right. I blame the parents 100%. "Oh, my child could NEVER be mean" Well, wake up, and pay attention to what you have raised.....

Anonymous said...

9:01am
Be careful what you say! This boy was a new student who is very small and was on cruthes for much of the year.
I have never understood why it is OK and accepted for certain kids to be bullied. The school, teachers and other kids know it is happening but don't speak up.
Is it because the ones picking on them are the athletes and the "good" kids whose families are a big deal at the church? Parents your children are meaner than you think especially in a group where they have an audience to show off to.
Are we all just glad it isn't us they are bullying or shunning?

For all you girls who are so sad for him today, is there a girl that you and your friends are freezing out right now? or is there a nerdy boy that likes you and so you make fun of him and laugh to all of your guy friends about it so he catches hell from them later? Be sure you aren't part of the problem

Something to think about....

Anonymous said...

9:25 Thank You.
We moved to Wise County a few years ago and my child has never really fit in. He has been bullied by the same group of kids for years. It hurts to watch this happen to kids. I have talked to the other parent and they told me "boys will be boys" we should let the kids work it out. Parents of bullies want to turn a blind eye, they need to wake up.

Anonymous said...

I'm so sorry for your child 9:25.
I am a grandparent. I see how spoiled the kids are today. The parents let them run all over them. They seem to have lost control. If my child was not getting the help from school administration for bullying, I would move and sue!! You never know what might happen. I was never bullied, but it seems like I never really fit in with everyone else. I know I have a "higher than thou nature", but I don't mean to, it is just my way of keeping my distance from others. So if this is how you want you child to turn out, leave him in that school.

Anonymous said...

Someone will say blame the school, but that's not fair. If one teacher or principal were to step up and disciple a child, their parents would be up there in a second to fight them,letting them know just how wrong the adult is and just how good their child is.

You say blame the parents but if a parent were to discipline their child in any matter other then "time out" someone will be quick to call CPS and report abuse.

We are damning ourselves with this ridiculous behavior. Everyone is too scared to speak up or take any kind of action.

-Sili-

Anonymous said...

.....and sue!!....yeah, that's the ticket - sue 'em! Phfft.

Anonymous said...

I am not saying putting RIP is appologizing. Im saying most the kids are saying "I'm so sorry for everything I ever said to you... I should have been nicer to you.. I've learned my lesson.."

Oh yeah, lets put a waiver on Facebook that "It is possible you may be bullied" Seriously, you think its okay for a kid to be treated like crap everyday because he should stand up for himself..

"I guess kids and more importantly parents don't understand that using facebook is not required by law, and therefore kids are free to simply ignore it, or use its settings correctly. Being "bullied" on facebook is completely, totally, 100%, absolutely...OPTIONAL."

You are saying that a kid with not many friends, in a new school, should just not get on Facebook if he is being bullied? So, he isnt allowed to try and make friends outside of school?.. Facebook is a way that kids are interacting now..

So, when was it okay for a child to bully another, as long as the bullied stands up for himself?... I never thought parents would be the ones saying this. If my child was being horrible to someone, I would stop it, not tell him its okay because the one being bullied should be strong about it. That's ridiculous.

One thing we should care about is that on his Facebook, not very long ago, he put that there was "NO" God in a poll.

"Travis answered: Is there a God? with No."
That is the worst trajedy.

Anonymous said...

I have 9:57. I meant to direct my comments to 9:38.

to 9:38 In reading you comment again, I encourage you to wake up.
It is up to you to protect your child!!!

Anonymous said...

I think someone closed the 14 yr old's fb wall down. I hope they made a copy of it before some comments were deleted.
Shame on those kids.
However, he could have closed his fb page. that would have stop at least some of the feeding frenzy of the bullies.

9:38 I do hope your son does not have a fb page; but, if he does, do you follow it?

Anonymous said...

Why can't we just all get along :(

Anonymous said...

10:07, I do protect my child. That is why I spoke to the other parent. I thought that was the responsible thing to do. My child knows not to bully and has a faith in god, so he knows suicide is not the answer. Is my child perfect, NO! I know of 1 time he bullied, and I made him write a letter of apology and give to that person. I know my childs facebook password and yes I read his comments and posts. I do protect my child.

Anonymous said...

FB can be controlled. You can choose to add or delete any friend.
It is up to you who you converse with. If you are stupid enought to sit and listen to a bully on your fb page, it is your fault!!
I have deleted people just because I don't like their page content. You can say bye bye to whoever you want; and, no one can access your wall that you don't want to! So let's don't be blaming fb.
Anyone who commits suicide is not of stable mind, sometimes it is meant to be.

Anonymous said...

10:01am
According to his facebook page,
another boy attacked him a few weeks ago and threw him to the ground. Another boy tried to step in to defend him and got in the bully's face and was yelling at him.

All 3 were taken to the principal and all 3 were disciplined with the victim receiving 3 days of ISS. This goes on your permanent record.

This may explain why it is hard to defend yourself. If he had, would be be expelled? Also, may explain why others just sit by and watch it happen because if you step in to try to defend the victim you will be disciplined along with the bully.

Is this where zero tolerance as brought us, to where we have no common sense and certainly no sense of justice.

The school and teachers are more concerned with covering their asses if questioned than fighting for a child with no voice. Given the school's policy, they are unable to do the right thing.

My children are graduating. If I had a child entering school age now, I would definately find a private school or I would home school.

aroundthecorner said...

10:28
You need to seek help.

"Anyone who commits suicide is not of stable mind, sometimes it is meant to be."

It is NEVER meant to be.

Anonymous said...

10:28am
No one is blaming facebook. He was bullied at school. As christians, people should see christ in us. The fact that many of those bullying him and making fun of him were "good christian kids" is horrible. That is the point of the person who said that he answered "No" to belief in God. Of course, anyone who commits suicide is not of stable mind and I pray that you are never broken in spririt to the point that you believe that your life doesn't matter to anyone.
For the record, it is a rumor that it was suicide all anyone knows is that he died in his sleep.

Anonymous said...

10:25
I'm glad you watch your child's fb page. Going to a bully's parent did not help. If it continues you need to go to administration. It sounds like maybe you child can handle it being that he is a christain and can turn the other cheek. It is just so hard to do when you are a child and are bound by so many rules in school. He needs to understand that he has a voice and he does not have to take the bullying from anyone.

Anonymous said...

10:28, I hope and pray you never have to fully understand how foolish your post is, and how unbelievably cold you sound. Sure, some suicides are because of mental instability, but that can be triggered by outside events and people and not necessarily some genetic defect. And to any of the rest of you trying to defend FB in some misguided attempt to convince yourselves that it can't happen to you and yours, think again. FB isn't the problem--the people on FB are. And those people won't go away if a victim deletes a friend or closes his FB page. They'll just find another avenue with which to bully. You all seem to think that if it's not on FB it ain't happening. Wake up and close your FarmVille window! All you're doing is condoning the actions of the bully when you start blaming the victim.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure the bullying/statements on facebook are really a nonissue. It was the bullying at school that is the main cause. The hypertechnical cretins who complained about claims of bullying on facebook are the kind of people who don't care about the REAL bullying, either. Duh. I hope the bullies involved aren't able to sleep well for the rest of their life.

Anonymous said...

10:25 I told a parent one time what her child was calling my child and her response was that her child didn't even know what that word meant.

The old saying that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me is so far from the truth. Words do hurt. A child who is bullied can be compared to a person who has been beaten and abused by a spouse. They are beaten down to the point that they don't think they are worth anything to anyone and they are scared to tell anyone because they have been threatened that if they do harm will come to their family.
I know first hand about a parent being beaten. My mom was beaten by my stepdad when I was in elementary school and just this year my mom told me that he had threatened to kill all of her family members if she left him.
Parents today think that their child could never do anything wrong. That is why there are more problems with todays youth than ever before. Discipline your children...Dr. Spock was wrong and has morally corrupted our nation. In the early '60s, under Spock's influence, parents were watching their children become sassy and contentious, and increasing numbers were seeing them become juvenile delinquents and criminals. As the crime rate started to crawl up, SAT scores began to drop. Teenagers began to exercise less moral restraint and revealed an increasing contempt for authority.
Now we have a society full of people who blame their problems on someone else instead of taking responsibility for their actions. Wake up America, there is a problem here and it begins and ends with all of us.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard this story breaking anywhere? Is it just a rumor? I have not found anything about it in the media... you would think the WC messenger would post something..

Anonymous said...

11:37 are you kidding? Why would you think the messenger would post anything about it?

Anonymous said...

I don't know if it is a rumor or not; but, the Messenger has posted that a funeral for a Decatur 14 year old is pending. Let's hope it was of natural cause. May God's grace be with his family.

Anonymous said...

I agree 100% 11:29 well said. I pray that kids will see that every action as a reaction. And parents pay ATTENTION!!! to your children quit making excuses for them. Sizman family Im sorry for your loss and you are in my prayers.

Anonymous said...

I totally believe in fate. What will be will be.

Anonymous said...

I bet the Messenger hasn't posted anything because it is all rumor at this point. You people have made up fantastic stories about this young man, but does anyone know for sure what happened? If the kid died in his sleep, I bet there is an investigation.

Anonymous said...

A lot of yapping... Are we sure that anyone actually died???

Anonymous said...

It is not a rumor. My son went to school with this boy.

Anonymous said...

Typical Decatur.....I know a kid now in prison because he skipped school as a freshman after DHS football players threw him over a set of lockers.He was constantly bullied. He had to change schools and his grades suffered. He never had a decent job because of his education and sought it elsewhere. Funny thing is, one of those elite "pillar of society" football players served time as well for tampering with auto paperwork.

Anonymous said...

Newspaper normally don't publish stories about suicide.

Anonymous said...

People on hear always question why the paper will not carry stories on suicides; I find it ironic that only 1 of the 40 posters so far isn't anonymous!

Anonymous said...

People on hear always question why the paper will not carry stories on suicides; I find it ironic that only 1 of the 40 posters so far isn't anonymous!

Anonymous said...

This story needs to be published our community needs to put a stop to bullying!!!

Anonymous said...

Are we even sure anyone was bullied yet? Wait untill the facts come out, if bullying was involved you can bet on a story being published!

Anonymous said...

If bullying was involved, then yes the Messenger or Fox4 needs to report on it. If not, I certainly hope the Wise County school district talks to all the students, or sends out a letter to advise them that bullying will not be toleranted!!!! And, beg the students to report any such behavior!!!

Anonymous said...

I challenge everyone with kids to actually watch your child when they dont think Grown-ups are watching. I happen to work in a shopping center next to some schools that after school becomes a popular hang out. I have stopped many kids from being bullies. Some of which their parents hold high jobs in this town. It's gotten so bad that most days the cops have to be called to the restaurant.

Anonymous said...

You know what a Paper Mill and a Rumor Mill have in common? They both stink to high heaven!

Anonymous said...

I pray that his death was from natural causes. If not, it appears that there are a lot of people who contributed to this poor boy's death. Moving into any small town as the "new kid" is difficult.

Anonymous said...

I do not know the details? What makes everyone think it was suicide? How was the body found?

Anonymous said...

Travis answered: Is there a God? with No."
That is the worst trajedy.


I think your spelling of tragedy is the worst tragedy.

Really though, a kid is dead and all you care about is whether or not he's going to see to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Rage

Anonymous said...

I heard the call on the scanner sunday am..his father called 911 and reported finding him non-responsive, not breathing and blue in color, he was in bed at home when he was found.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that everyone automatically jumps to the conclussion that IF it is suicide, then it was because of bullying? Is it not possible that there is more going on in someone's personal life that not everybody in this county knows? I really hope that the family involved is not being assaulted by gossip and negative opinions that so many enjoy sharing.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the poor kid died of a heart attack. You know, a broken heart. Sad, so sad.

Anonymous said...

I am a sophomore at Decatur High School and I was one of Travis's best friends. He did not kill himself, he fell asleep and choked on his own vomit. He didn't always have the easiest time with other students, but he was too confident of a kid to take his own life.

R.I.P. Travis

Anonymous said...

I have raised two children - and I had a similar experience with my oldest, in about the 7th grade. It happened during football practice, and I let him try to work it out on his own. After about a week, I phoned the Dad of the the student that was running his mouth. I suggested he bring his son, and I would bring mine to town - put boxing gloves on each and let them go at it. The Dad who was a mouthy as his son, DID NOT want that to happen. He was more shocked that I (being a single Mom) was big enough to stand up to his stupidity. That ended his son's mouth and bullying. I can say that both my kids are respectful and productive - this, I believe is due to not allowing people to run over me or them. Parenting is the HARDEST job you will every have, it is 24/7 365 forever. Be the parent that will show up unannounced, be the parent that will check texts; FB etc. Be a parent! As a community we need to pray for this family, whatever the reason, as young boy has passed away and a family has lost a child!!

Anonymous said...

When the feelings gone and you can't go on, its tragedy.

Anonymous said...

When I lived in another city, an 8th grade boy died in his sleep.

He had a FB page. Prior to his death, kids posted all kinds of funny things on his wall. It was typical teen stuff. He was not bullied, nor ridiculed. Immediately after his death there were typical posts like, "OMG, we already miss you," "You were my best friend," etc, etc. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=25894223866&v=wall

He died of a heart attack. He had a bad valve that had never been diagnosed. Nobody ever suspected bullying because he was not teased, ridiculed, or tormented.

When people assume suicide in the case of this Decatur teen, there's something there. People posting apologies meant that he was bullied.

Hopefully this is a wake-up call for the school, the parents, and the KIDS to stop bullying.

Anonymous said...

Kids nowday's are much more mean spirited and have the technology to deliver to inflict cruelty on other kids like never before..being mean is cruel.

Anonymous said...

He was bullied, no matter what the cause of death was.

Anonymous said...

People need to realize that it's not right to allow bulling but being in a class with Travis I saw how he acted and how he antagonized the wrong people. I would never wish death upon anyone and yes I, and a lot of other students regret not saying more to stand up for him. As for some of the people who have posted on this; NO, it wasn't the "popular, athletes, or big in church people" a lot of his bulling came from the "rougher" types of boys we have in that school. I'm not saying some of the popular didn't want his antics to stop and go about stopping it the wrong way but still....Having a grief counselor come into your class and talking to you is hard, especially when you can just hold your best friend's hand as she cries. His family will be in my prayers

Adolph Oliver Bush said...

Thank you 6:35.

Anonymous said...

So today assuming made an ass out of you and me. He did not commit suicide and he probably was not bullied. It was an accidental death, if the above post from his best friend is true. So R.I.P. Travis and may God be with the family in their grief.

Anonymous said...

Time to pray and not to case stones!

Anonymous said...

Many, many, many years ago (1976), my cousin Diane died at the age of 13. The rumors flew all over that it was drugs, suicide, or some other crazy story.

About a year later, she was featured on a "60 Minutes" story about a then-unknown problem. Diane had the flu, her mom gave her some aspirin and the rest was history. At the time of Diane's death, Reye's Syndrome had not been discovered.

Now everybody knows not to give kids & teens aspirin. But back then, it was commonly used.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is that Bullying is a huge problem in our school. No matter how Travis died, if you read his fb page you saw the many kids that were asking for forgiveness for the way they treated him. Wake up people we have a HUGE problem.

Anonymous said...

I would like to add we have many people with higher positions that bully our kids. I know of way to many people who's kids have been treated badly by 2 youth directors at a certain church here in Decatur (The Really Big One) yet no one speaks out against it. Because if you do and heaven forbid your child try to attend that church they will treat your child like an outcast. Oh and remember they are the PERFECT christians! Thank goodness my children have grown up and moved on. To the parents of these kids, you are there protector don't let anyone treat your child that way. For goodness sake not at the church.

Answers? I don't know the questions. said...

My comment is not about this particular case but about bullying in general. If the child is not as strong physically or mentally, why the heck would you think that he or she should stand up for themselves. The line of thought that "the kids will work it out" is a bunch of crap. My kids were not bullied but they are strong physically and mentally so my views don't come from a parent that has a child that has been bullied. Any teacher who looks the other way should resign or be fired on the spot. I'm not picking on teachers because no adult should look the other way but teachers because of the nature of their jobs, see more of the kids' behavior.

And while I'm on my soapbox, the parent that is more concerned about being "buddies" or making little junior mad at them is setting the child up for some hard lessons later in life. Your right as a parent supersedes your child's right to privacy.

Finally, a parent should never expect a teacher to do the parent's job. Also, why is it usually the Mom's job to discipline the child? Where the heck are the Dads?

You are entitled to your opinion, especially if you're willing to post your name.

Bill Joiner

Anonymous said...

When I was in school, I had someone that enjoyed calling me "four eyes"....huh, guess I was bullied according to today's standards and didn't even know it.

Anonymous said...

8:58, Things have changed since you were a kid. You are showing your age by that comment. Go chase a dinosaur.

Anonymous said...

"Bulling" will never go away because of the parents of this world today. They are pieces of crap. They want to sue somebody, complain cause their kid isn't being treated the right way, not getting enough playing time, didn't get picked to be part of a play or musical, is not a cheerleader, etc. I see these crappy parents everyday and it makes me sick. Most of these crappy parents dont go to church. They are also the ones who are not involved with their kid at all. They are to busy drinking while their kid is off doing somthing else, or they are to busy playing on their iPhone while their kid is growing up.

Parents do your JOB!!!!!

Anonymous said...

10:10 I agree with some of your comments. Parents are so concerned with their kids feelings when they don't get picked for something,they will be ok we came through it ok. And yes I have seen lots of parents with their phones in their face they don't even know what their children are doing or trying to tell them, it is a sad world today for some kids who never get the love and attention they need. Because parents are so selfish.

Anonymous said...

9:21, last time I checked, unless you are still in high school, 30 isn't that old. And that is my point exactly....things done and overlooked years ago get a far greater reaction today. Makes you wonder why that is.

Anonymous said...

Shame on you Barry for instigating this entire line of comments. You had to of known with that header you'd get a lot of people riled up. The fact is that a young man died unexpectedly, and it shocked the entire school.

Who hasn't had to deal with an unexpected loss of a friend, relative or acquaintance and wished to be able to take something back or told that person how they felt?

These teenagers are dealing with a loss for the second time in barely a year. Let them post their comments on Facebook so they can grieve and quit trying to make more out of this than it was!

Anonymous said...

11:34 AM, you are correct in saying that things that were overlooked years ago get a greater reaction today, but the world has changed and I must say not in the way that most of us would like it. Children were disciplined in my day at school and at also at home. This "boys will be boys" or "girls will be girls" attitude has to change and it starts with the parents. When an obnoxious child is allowed to talk back to their parents, throw fits, never take responsibility for their mistakes and treat others in a disrespecting way right in front of the parents of the other children, the parent of that child is to blame. Many parents are oblivious to this and say that "my son would never do that", well yes they would and have to be either very ignorant or such a pompous ass, which some of them are! Parents take action with your children, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Anonymous said...

One of the DISD Football Kids after they found out they were not going to get turf.

Anonymous said...

So what happen to the young boy? Does anyone know?

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you 12:11.

Totally, totally unnecessary.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever thought that the reason there are more teen suicide's is because more kids are unable to cope with failure. It starts with the "Everybody is a winner" BS.

There will always be someone who is bigger, smarter, taller, faster, better looking, than you are. You will always have a boss that tells you what to do. Society has tried to eliminate any and all differences but reality shows that is impossible.

Kids do not know how to cope with failure because all they know is how special they are and everybody is a winner. The government has eliminated any chance for the weak to stand up to the strong because each party is subject to punishment regardless of who needed the bloody nose. Zero tolerance my big left toe!!!

Anonymous said...

3:29 You hit the nail on the head. Kids today are so pumped up by their doting parents and grandparents that they think they are perfect! Well they are not; and, you are right there will always be people who will outdo them and they will not know how to cope. This is because they have been overly praised to the point that any little hurdle that can't do perfectly jumped will send them for a loop. Good luck to them all!

Anonymous said...

Had a friend who had a daughter being bullied;when she tried to defend herself'guess who was blamed.After the teacher confirmed this to the principal he said it still stood.After her father beat the s--t out of him his office he changed his opinion and you can bet she was never bullied again.He says now that bullying can have serious consequences.

Anonymous said...

3:29 - very good points. Add to that the media that flaunts sports as god, bodies as having to be thin and perfect, girls with breasts and butts hanging out (check this blog) and a whole host of other messages that teens are exposed to on a daily basis.

Life is hard. Maybe our mistake as parents is not telling them THAT (negative as it is) as soon as they have the maturity to understand.

I honestly feel sorry for anybody raising a child now. A very hard life for them, for sure.