The Nascar wives and girlfriends are hot.
I got there about 20 minutes late or 2000 or so whiners would have received a one way ride on the DC subway.Gary the Graboid
Well Barry dont forget there are wacks jobs on both sides of the issue, just look at Obama and Reed.Health Care reform we need, gov care we dont.
Another logical fallacy, Barry. Just because weirdos are against something and you feel better because of it, doesn't make it right. Led by your feelings much?
We are against the inept, disfunctional government taking on anything else and the liberal nuts that want the inept, disfunctional government is another good reason to oppose it.
I'm with you this time, Barry. These clueless goofballs don't inspire an intellectual discussion of the health care problems and possible solutions. Of course, we have many of their brethren right here on this blog.
ANYTHING shoved down American's throats by our gov't IS NOT GOOD!
And you feel better why? These people are smart to not want this law. YOu feel better to have government run healthcare where you pay for it but have other people decide what treatment you get....just like the demos are doing right now....we do not want the bill (by 54% in polls) and it is getting force fed to us. Welcome to red tape to get medical services. This is awful not to mention the whole abortion issue....we are fading fast as a nation.
I fail to see how the government has the right to tell an individual he/she must purchase insurance or what benefits his/her employer must provide for their employees.Be careful what you wish for folks. This is not socialism, this is worse. It is fascism cloaked in the disguise of good intentions.
Barry, you are giving mixed signals. You push for the government to stay out of one's life in regards to smoking pot and drinking and driving, but you want them all in our lives in this issue. Make up your mind.
I love the anti-government crowd. Businesses have done a great job taking care of it themselves. It's been so nice what corporations have done over the past couple of years. They've really come around and contributed to the common good. That hands-off approach is real effective.
Opposition to health care is a proxy for other ideas like opposition to equality . . .
The whole apocalyptic argument is getting boring. If the nation is fading at all it began when Bush decided to invade Iraq. That unnecessary war will cost as much money as health care reform and has forever tarnished this nation's reputation across the globe. Also, if the Republicans think that health care reform is needed, why didn't they do it years ago?
I don't understand Barry's comment. The folks in the pix look like regular peeps to me. Wait a minute, there's no black folks there. Is that what Barry is saying?
Would someone give Obammy a blowjob so we can impeach him?
Our Constitution set this up - this is what Congress does - they negotiate, they compromise, they pass legislation.How can that be shoving it down our throat? It looks like a MAJORITY in BOTH houses will have voted to pass this bill, & our president will have signed it, by the end of the day.That makes me very happy. And to those of you that aren't happy - well, that's how I felt for 8 years of Bush. It's just how our constitution works and has been working for well over 200 years.
2:06 and others - The government is NOT proposing to control your health care but to primarily control the private insurance companies that have screened out so many. It also tries to cover folks who are between jobs and without employer coverage. It does require all to buy into some private insurance coverage - to avoid YOU or others from going to the (expensive) emergency room for any needed care.In my humble opinion, this bill is far from perfect but better than the mess we have now.
Maybe Big Government should take over the lawyer business, too. We hear it from Barry many times how the legal system let's poor defendants down who cannot afford to pay for adequate representation. After this vote, it would seem that the next logical step to reduce costs of basic services that we all have a right to would be to nationalize the goods and services that attorneys provide. Maybe the price of a simple driver's license revocation could be reduced to, say, $25. Maybe folks like Barry should have to take cases that they have little chance of winning or lose money providing services for. The government should set the what a reasonable cost of these services should be. Maybe a cap on percentage of damages, say less than 1% of any damage claims. Maybe all attorneys should be paid the same and have to take on all clients. If it is good for the doctors, why not the lawyers? What say you Mr. Barrister?
Regardless of where you stand on whether we should have nationalized health care, ask yourself these questions on the bill in question:1. If this bill is good for the citizens of this country, why are members of congress exempt from participating in it?2. If this bill is good for this country, why do the people pushing for passage of this bill having to bribe members of their own party to vote for it?
"Government-run healthare"???Not with THIS bill, bruthu. This is one giant gimme to the health insurance companies. Which is why all their stocks went up last week.
Hey Hoss,Will you take care of my $ share for healthcare reform? And BTW, how does this new bill handle malpractice and lawsuits regarding differences of opinion in the outcome of healthcare? Might want to tap the breaks on your support until you find out how it affects your profession. Or should I address you as Barrister after this passes? (I assume you have a powdered wig somewhere in your "closet" right?)
12:16I thought it was "wax jobs".Double Fake Me Luv Wu Wong Time
To our right-wing pro-hate folks, your pain is our pleasure!
4:14 1. Congress already has a (employer provided) health care plan so don't need this.2. Congressmen who are tired of attempting to explain this bill to non-comprehending constituents (like you?) are looking for cover. Besides, the honest ones realize this bill is not perfect - but the best they can do at the time.
3:28 -What should be obvious -It's not the way the "peeps" look that is fuel for deriding them -It's the IDIOTIC signs they are carrying.
5:30, you end your comment like that and you call us "pro-hate"? Pot meet kettle.
This bill is screwing the medical profession. Pay will be cut and more will be expected out of the employees that stay in their profession.
well let's see how the market reacts tomorrow and this week..
um, why don't we all just have free health care like the illegals have received for years? We should receive any and all medical needs without cost to us (American citizens) and the gov't can work out payment to the medical profession employees. Can't be denied or turned away. What's that you say? Where would the money to fund such medical expenses come from since the American citizens are not to be charged for it? Well....let's see.... how 'bout let's just go further into debt. Obama seems to have a charge card without limits. There ya go.. I've fixed it all! FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS! now if you're illegal then watch out! you get charged full price now for your care here. heh heh!!!
Obama, Pelosi, Dirty Harry and their comrades are flushing this country down the crapper! I just hope all the damage these clowns inflict on us is repairable after this one term wonder is gone.
Can anyone explain why this bill includes issues on student loans for college? Another way for the government to get money to pay for this bill. The government has no problem running up debt, so use student loans to pay it off. The government has created the latest housing and financial busts and passed the blame off on others. Who will they blame when the healthcare system melts down in a few years? Blame Bush? Why not blame the doctors?
I think we should also pass laws that ALL fish in a lake should be the same size. There will no longer be big fish and small fish. Did I mention that big fish are the ones who keep away the predators that eat the small and medium sized fish? Oh well, too bad. No more big fish. Everyone, I mean, every fish, will be equal.
3:28I guess it is obvious to some, but I'm not as smart as some of you. So, it looks like there are "birthers" and anti-socialists in the crowd. Maybe I'm off-base here, but shouldn't they have their say if they want? Looks like a big crowd. Just sayin'...
You missed the best signs. The one about "If Brown can't undo it, Browning will!" was one of the best. Notice that a good bit of these people are eligible (or use) Medicare. If everybody can't have single payer, nobody can. Repeal Medicare now.
The ignorance on these last few comments are astounding.
The misnomer is calling this legislation health "care" reform. It's health "coverage" legislation which still leaves millions of people uninsured.Part of the math Democrats used to convince the public that the legislation will "reduce the deficit" included cutting Medicare payments to doctors. At the same time, they plan legislation for the spring which will permanently remove those same cuts. Ergo, the Democrat legislation costs billions more than they claim. They also base their figures (on which the CBO had to base its calculation,) on ten years of raised taxes and only six years of expenditures -- thus adding billions of dollars to the eventual cost of the legislation. Someone said that Congress is the only body that will cut one end off a rug, sew it on the other end, and tell you that you have a longer rug.Much like the abuse of the Interstate Commerce clause, it's not a great leap of logic to believe that the federal government will eventually use this legislation to control more and more of our lives. The word to remember during the upcoming campaigns: REPEAL
hey,7:17, why don't you go read "Harrison Berguron" by Kurt Vonnegut? Sure, equality IS the answer!! lol!!http://www.tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf
I remember Obama promising to fund healthcare by the money we saved by him getting us out of Iraq. Two promises that were lies.
7:57, the comments to which you refer are no more ignorant than what this health care reform debacle is. Can you not see the sarcasm in these remarks? duh!
When health care is provided for "all Americans", why in the world would someone currently paying for health insurance continue to pay for it? Moreover, why in the world would that person pay MORE to cover the provision of health care for "all Americans". I have health insurance. And I realize that my job could be affected, that my family could one day need help from social programs...I get that. But when my employer comes up to me and says, "hey, gotta raise your family coverage by $500 a month in order to cover the cost of providing health care for "all Americans", guess what I will do? I might have the thought "hey, am I not an American?" I will jump off and become one of those "all Americans" that are guaranteed health care regardless, and instead I'll take vacations and otherwise spend that money. And when I do that, it leaves more of a burder for the next person. WE ARE FAT, SICK and LAZY. There's your health care fix. Tax flip flops, video games, and 300 pound butts. Immediately invoke a law that makes bananas and apples etc. free to all Americans, and you might actually make progress.
Basically, Nancy Pelosi just said publicly that once health care is passed, we are following in the footsteps of history, and now instead of the "unalieable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"...we will say "life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and medical insurance".
On December 21 2012 Health care will be something only some will wonder if anyone has.
Hey, 9:03! I have every right to be FAT, SICK AND LAZY! Don't you dare single out my 300 pound butt and tax me more!
The next thing is to legalize all of the ilegals in this country.They can't force then to go home they sure as hell can't force them to buy insurance.DAGO
hey 9:19 you can't have life without HEALTH! But HA, it passed. President Obama has accomplished something historic that many presidents have tried to achieve. That "change" thing is working pretty well
If the health care bill passed and now 32 million Americans will be able to get health care insurance, and the reason 32 million American don't have it right now is they can't afford it...then who is buying it?
Maybe if kids would play outside more and get more exercise, but wait. Because kids outside automatically commit robberies according to some community leaders. Guess we can't win.
Any hope of creating the thousands per month jobs to get people back to work was lost to employer mandates to provide government dictated health insurance to full time and part time employees. Small business owners that will face new taxes plus the mandate, profits will NOT hire new employess to keep profits for being in business. The idiots in Washington (the ones inside the Capitol buliding, not he protestors) do not have a clue about creating jobs. Medicare taxes will be 3.8% on investment income starting now. For the very first time the Senate will pass massive social legislation without 60 votes. And for the first time our tax dollars will pay for abortion because Executive order does not rule over law! It may be Obama's civil rights legislation; however, the Democrats lost national power for years. It becamse all about Obama and his legacy, not the will of the people. Democrats in conservative districts will be defeated in November and pay the price for supporting the bill against the will of the majority of the people. Congress must rule with the consent of the governed, not by arm twisting of a President!
Wordkyle, so true. We can now look forward to voting OUT the Democrats and voting back IN the Republicans. Thank God. Then we will have total clarity, honesty and integrity for the American people.PTL.
Democrats make things happen, republicans whine.Whiney, whiney, whiney.
How about some facts and perspective? Follow the link to CNN's outline of health care changes and when they take effect.http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/19/interactive.health.care.benefits/index.html?hpt=C2
Nobody is mandating business owners provide insurance to employees. They benefit if they do with tax cuts. If you're going to complain about something, then at least get it right! BLAH BLAH BLAH! Are you going to gripe when you get your new insurance premium in the mail indicating you are saving a lot more money? Absolutely ridiculous! You can continue to pay your astronomical premiums to health industry and I am sure they will accept it! Wait, do you work for an insurance company? Those are the only people who should be disguisted right now!
For once a President delivered what he campaigned about! Hallelujah! Obama rocks! All you people who believe he did it for himself, well he did! He did it because he promised the American people he would! He accomplished in less than a year and a half what other presidents have tried to do for the past century. Obama was the only president with the stones to accomplish it! What's the difference in a mandate with health insurance and the one we already live with regarding auto liability insurance. You get fined if you don't have that as well! All you nay-sayers, go ahead and look up to your republican leaders. they acted and looked like a bunch of rich tit bags yesterday, throwing a fit because they didn't whine or manipulate their way into getting what they wanted. They think by not voting for this bill they will take over Washington again in the upcoming elections. Ain't happening! This will turn out to be the Republican's waterloo! Be careful what you wish for!
10:52 Companies with 50 or more employees will pay a fine of $2,000 for every employee that is not insured (Reconciliation Bill). That works as a mandate for me.11:00 The difference is that liability insurance is to protect other drivers. Health insurance protects YOU.
1052 - The legislation contains penalties for companies with more than 50 workers who don't offer insurance to their employees. Smells like a mandate to me.This is simply the first step toward ultimately putting insurance companies out of business so that the government can become the single provider of coverage. Obama has said as much.
Amazing that none of you attack the insurance companies for their astronomical rate hikes they continue to throw at the insureds! I guess yall support them while they go flying around in their private lear jets around the world vacationing, while the insureds try to figure out how they are going to pay for their health care... :\
140 - Why stop with insurance companies? How about the astronomical rate hikes in tuition at colleges? How about the astronomical rate hikes in movie popcorn? How about the astronomical rate hikes in tickets to professional sports events? What about the price of e-readers? All Americans deserve equal access to these things.No one has defended the insurance companies. It's the monstrous "comprehensive" Democrat legislation -- unnecessary and destructive -- that is under discussion. There were plenty of other effective, less-drastic and less-intrusive options that Democrats ignored. Lower insurance rates and better health care were never the goals of the Democrat legislation.
I'm for government control of attorneys and their fees. Make it affordable for all, say copay of $25 and the government pays the rest. Let the government determine what to reimburse the attorneys.
Incidental observation: you can always expect out-of-proportion media coverage of the fringe elements of a Conservative demonstration. It helps obscure the real size, scope and purpose of the demonstration.
"The next thing is to legalize all of the ilegals in this country.They can't force then to go home they sure as hell can't force them to buy insurance.DAGO"The gov't says they can't FIND the all the illegals. If they could find them, they'd send them home (deport them). So what makes you hold out hope that the gov't can force them to buy insurance? These illegals here don't WANT to be American citizens, they just want to enjoy being cared for so generously by the USA citizens. Amnisty will not fix a thing because they will NOT want it.
You are so right 6:38. They don't want to be Americans, they want to wave their Mexican flag, have their Mexican heritage, and continue their loyalty to Mexico whilst they enjoy the American freebies. SEND THEM ALL HOME!!!
Wordkyle - "Why stop with insurance companies? How about the astronomical rate hikes in tuition at colleges? How about the astronomical rate hikes in movie popcorn? How about the astronomical rate hikes in tickets to professional sports events? What about the price of e-readers? All Americans deserve equal access to these things."You have to be ALIVE to enjoy these truly American perks. Therein lies the difference between your statement and health insurance.
1043 - You have just as much "right" to have the federal government provide those goods and services as you have for the government to provide top-level health care. And let's face it, we're talking about access to cutting edge, Cadillac-quality health care. Lower quality health care is already reasonably priced and readily available. You want to contain medical costs? Roll back health care to 1970-level. What's more, we should all have equal access to Johns Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic, the UCLA Medical Center and all the other best hospitals. It's simply not "fair" that some people have access to better health care than others, right? The rights delineated in the Constitution are those conveyed naturally -- life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. In no way does it mention as a "right" getting something for free as a result of other people's labor. What is your "fair share" of what someone else has worked for?
4:00 is the real proof there are still idiots
I have been a hard worker all of my life, I work hard and have a pre-existing illness but have always paid for health ins. not at low rates how many freeloaders out there can afford ins. and have ins. offered at their job but do not have ins. My best guess would be all on this blog who think this bill is great. I am sure the govt. will do a good job as usual. Look at Freddie and Fannie oh do not forget the only monopoly in th U.S.the United States post office. Have they ever showed a profit? Maybe the pony express. Sit back and watch this country go to hell in a hand basket. If you do not have it and want it and don't want to work for it call uncle sammy and he will see that you get it
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