1.11.2010

Heat At Decatur Middle School

I've been gone. What's the deal? Edit: Should have linked to this editorial in the Messenger. Halfway down it begins with: "In the case of the heating issue at Decatur Middle School, school officials were trying to do the right thing in getting heat into the building so students could be comfortable in class. Unfortunately, the method they chose not only was a violation of the fire code, it was potentially dangerous for students."

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Transfer your kids to Bridgeport Middle School. They have heat, you just have to warn them about the falling lockers!

Anonymous said...

What heat? I have been teaching in a classroom that barely gets to 50 degrees with my dollar store space heater.

Anonymous said...

The furnace needs to be replaced. It was on the 7 million dollar bond. It did not go though because of the 3 million that was going toward the football field. There are 5 schools in decatur and 3 million going toward football. Come on....... I know my numbers are not exact but close. Make no sense to spend that much on a stadium when there are real things that need to be fixed. But what do I know...... Decatur would rather have a education that sports. GO GO decatur. That is the way i took it anyway. Another example is that decatur voted to have laptops for students and then not vote on sports. Someone needs to wake up and notice that people that live here want education not sports.

Anonymous said...

Amen; education is what school is supposed to be about, not athletics. I am appalled that they would have no heat in a school and even speak of that in any relation to something as non-essential and unimportant as athelic facilities. Come on, Superintendent Gindt....get the heat on and get our buildings in good repair. As a taxpayer, I am simply flabbergasted this would be tolerated! Where's the school board on this issue?

Anonymous said...

Wasn't replacement of those heaters on a bond before the 7 million one?

Not so Wise in the County said...

education.. thats exactly what we are doing, if you make it too comfortable for them kids they can't pay attention, so what if you can see your breath, and as for laptops and stadiums, well we need that stuff, its how we teach our kids about instant gratification, don't worry about the bills like mortgage, electricity, water, but make sure you have a 60" lcd, and your subscription to xbox live is paid up, and you have high speed internet, and a latte from a fancy coffe place. Thats whats important.

Anonymous said...

i saw county inmates building fence and clearing brush north of alvord on lbj grasslands, does anyone know if the county gets paid for these services? if not why should we have prisoners doing the work for the us gov.

Anonymous said...

How about the principal hooking up a propane heater to the vents to blow hot air into some of the classrooms? Yes a propane one that says do not use indoors. Carbon monoxide poisoning!!!!! It was in the paper on Saturday. Why weren't parents informed? Why aren't more people upset?

Anonymous said...

What happened to the good 'ol days when teachers did'nt whine all the time and they also cleaned their own room, chopped and split their own firewood to keep their classroom warm, and worked a lot more than 185 days a year?

Anonymous said...

My understanding is they had a electric/kerosene heater located outside of the building and were going to us it to send heated air into the building. Many people use electric/kerosene heaters indoors safely.

It seems most people use these to heat their shops.

Anonymous said...

Everything I read says kerosene heats are okay indoors.

Anonymous said...

Oh well I guess the fire chief doesn't know what the hell he is talking about!!!!! It really is in the paper like 1:56 said. Probably will be the good ole boy system. Lets protect the person that did it.

Anonymous said...

Middle school did not clear the heater use with the Fire Marshall. Read WCM Sunday paper. Record breaking temps and no heat, laptops? gottem', football gear? gottem', heating? nope...After the last bond did not pass, somehow, some where the money was found to buy a new boiler, got it, but didn't install it.
Students and teachers are freezing in their classrooms. Such a pity.

Anonymous said...

Replacement of heating and cooling systems shouldn't be a part of a bond package, that should be a part of the yearly budget. It didnt' make sound financial sense to include replacement of a heating/cooling system, when I think it was going to take 30 years to pay off. DISD is not "cash poor". They have plenty of money to fix the heating; it is after all the taxpayers' money and facility upkeep and maintenance is a part of the yearly budget and should not have been a part of the bond package.

Anonymous said...

The Decatur Middle School went months without heating, warmed only by promises and misleading information from administration. Neither boiler has worked properly in that building for years, but year after year administration let the problem slide. Middle school heating repair was included in the high school bond several years back, to help it pass ... but the repairs were never made. So back it went into the last bond to try to help the athletic facilities bond pass ... and it didn't work. And middle school kids and teachers were left twisting in the wind....until the "arctic blast" really came and blew away this house of straw.

Heads should roll in DISD administration over this, starting at the top.

Anonymous said...

Again...where is this great school board? Dr. Gindt should be both the safety situation with the propane exist or the lack of heating continue. I have no children in the schools anymore, but I can't believe the parents are sending their kids up there to either be frozen or to be endangered by sub-standard heating. If I were a parent, I'd organize a sit-out and have everyone keep their kids out of school until someone in that system wakes up and does something about it. This is a total embarassment to Decatur to let such a situation exist. The superintendent and principals should be fired immediately.

Anonymous said...

Who gave the ok for this to be done? The maintenance supervisor, principal or supt?

wisenurse said...

My kid goes to DMS - this makes me angry!!! Officer Sandate is at that school everyday doing his so called "monitoring" did he not have a clue this was against fire code violation?

Anonymous said...

Try rolling up some Turf and see how much it heats up a school. Get Mr. Bakker and the gang to pony up some of that surplus money they have and fix the dang heaters. O i forget we already had a bond election the last time to fix this stuff.

DHS Blue & White

Anonymous said...

Jeff Bakker, says that artificial turf has less maintenance and is much more efficent and safer than that of kerosene/diesel powered jet engines!! He should win DA of the decade!!!

Anonymous said...

Morons. C'mon 12/21/12. It can't get here fast enough.

Anonymous said...

12:53, the lockers at BMS only fall down if they are pulled out of the wall anchors.

Anonymous said...

How long will this school district cover up for Ghint and his goons? Unbelievable! Why isn't this enough to fire him? The DISD board is chickenshi* if they just allow this to slide, much like other baffoonery that has gone on in the district. I don't know what has happened to the common sense of the Decatur people, but I can tell you this: If you let this slide without heads rolling, then you all deserve the disasters ahead!

Anonymous said...

"potentially dangerous for students?" IT WAS VERY DANGEROUS for everyone in the building! It is insane that someone isn't fired for this stunt! Kind of like the pesticide bomb being set off in the Alvord middle school locker room when the kids were out for p.e. Yep, that was "potentially" dangerous too.........and NO ONE was fired for that either. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous that our children's lives aren't worth protecting from the morons we pay big bucks to for "potentially" poisoning them. Potentially... my backside.... LUCKY more were not seriously effected!
I think the school board in Decatur needs to make a public statement explaining WHY THEY ARE NOT FIRING THE MORON WHO MADE THE CALL TO PUT THOSE HEATERS IN THE BUILDING!
Oh, but wait....if the school board had actually seen to it that maintenance for the AC/ and heat was actually taking place, then this wouldn't have happened in the first place. What's the deal? You board members freezing the kids as a reminder/prompt that YOU wanted/want TURF in the stinkin' stadium? Are you blackmailing your citizens by this act? Shame on you ALL! SHAME SHAME SHAME!

Anonymous said...

What do you expect with a 40 year old building built on low bid. You all want low bid because you don't want to pay taxes then gripe when you get what you pay for. Let's pay teachers more! They need to be compensated! Our students deserve the best! Yeah, right, until you have to pay for it!

This whole district can't see straight for all the mixed messages being sent to it. Yeah, field turf had it's chance, but it was because those people showed up at the board meeting and voiced what they wanted, not what they didn't want. The democratic process of the board actually worked in this instance but everyone is bitching about it. The board listened to their constituents that were at the board meetings, spent nearly a year planning, determined that it needed to be taken to the voters, did so, and the voters spoke.

In light of the this little incident the old saying comes to mind - "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

Anonymous said...

I am utterly disappointed in the lack of thought that go into these posts. I am a former teacher in the district, and let me be the first to say that you have a wonderful administration and board. Do you not think that every single one of them is not trying to do everything within their power to resolve this issue. They are no less upset that the project has not been completed in a more timely manner. The boiler has already been bought and was delayed in delivery from the manufacturer, and then the installation was delayed due to the need to abate the asbestos. If they installed it as is, you would all be screaming about mesothelioma. I agree it stinks for the kids and teachers to have to suffer through this, but I know the people of Decatur have more brains than to knee-jerk and blame the turf, principal, or Supt. for the fact that the boiler has been delayed. Do your research, the turf/stadium money has no affect on this, and I am sure that if Dr. Gindt had it in his power/skill-set he would personally have driven an semi to go pick up the boiler and install it himself to make these kids and teachers more comfortable.

Anonymous said...

Those boilers have needed to be replaced for several years now. There is NO EXCUSE, 8:31, for having no heat. I've worked in school districts long enough to know that only until "disaster" strikes is something repaired or replaced. Had this been taken care of last summer, as it should have been, or even the summer before, none of this would have happened. It is the superintendents JOB to insure that the school district is running as it should and that all M and O is up to snuff. Stop trying to protect him and the board. That's what always happens. Our kids suffer but let's not hold the administration accountable because they are really sorry about this happening. BS! They need to do their jobs and make sure our kids are provided a safe environment. Don't even go there and say we voted it down. There should have NEVER been the stadium/turf issue next to any other issue on the bond. To shove that down the taxpayers throats and say " if you don't approve the bond as it is written, then we won't/can't afford to fix our buildings" is BS! M and O is a separate issue completely. If you are a former teacher, then you should know that.

Anonymous said...

To the poster who sugggests teachers go back to the old days--Amen. As a former teacher, I would rather chop my own wood than have to give TAKS tests, follow the idiots in Austin, have to take the crap teachers do from parents, etc. And by the way, most teachers do clean their own rooms. All clean their own boards. Teachers today aren't spoiled, theu are earning their money--just try it for a while!

Anonymous said...

Well said, 6:33. The present school board and Admin. tried to railroad the voters with the turf issue but fail to spend money maintaining basic services. It's unforgiveable and the parents should go en masse to the board meetings and demand terminations from the top down. ANY business owner/manager knows you have to stay AHEAD of these things and not wait until they break down to repair them...all a bunch of incompetents.

Anonymous said...

In other places where football does not rule the land, we have school referendums...we separate the referendums so that maintenance issues are on one, new schools on another and something like a swimming pool or football turf would be on another. We vote and maintenance usually passes while the others rarely do.
After being on a board, I can tell you with the increase of fuel cost, health care cost (which goes up 10 - 13 % each year) if you have a year when too many items need to be replaced with multiple buildings to service, the cost will be OUTSIDE a normal budget year. Referendum is sometimes a more economical choice for the tax payer as well as the school.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps 9:05 would bring some sense to our board! Consider running? I like your separate referendum ideas.

Anonymous said...

How many of you keep an extra HVAC system laying around your home, just in case yours goes out? Maybe it should have been replaced sooner, and hindsight is 20/20. So many of you are such activists when something goes wrong, yet I have never seen such a huge response to the positive things these same people are doing for your kids everyday. Decatur is so lucky. Great kids, great teachers, and yes, great administrators. Be grateful for what you have, and not so critical when there is a problem. I remember a day when, if something like this happened, everyone in town would have been going to the administration trying to volunteer themselves to help: donating labor, time, and expertise to try and help the school resolve the problem, and not sitting on the as&es in front of the computer and ANONYMOUSLY pointing fingers. I am no longer a member of the district or resident of the city, and sometimes I miss it because of the "christian"/friendly/community atmosphere that I remember when I was (trust me, that doesn't exist in a lot of districts/communities), but I guess that attitude is no longer there.

Anonymous said...

Amen 11:14

Anonymous said...

Boy, this sure is a heated subject.

Anonymous said...

Wonder why the the school district called a special EMERGENCY PUBLIC meeting of to explain this situation?

Anonymous said...

11:14 you are a sux ass go ahead and drink the kool-aid

Anonymous said...

It seems there are experts here who have never been stood up by a repair man or had to wait for a part to be shipped. These people need to step forward and educate the rest of us. Wow!

WWJD

Anonymous said...

WWJD? Start a fire for some heat DUH

Anonymous said...

You are all doing great!


Satan

Anonymous said...

8:23 Scary, isn't it?