Marriage is a convenant between a man, a woman, and God. If God is not involved, where is the meaning?
Whether homo or hetero, if there is no holy covenant, why bother getting married? Regular cake is cheap, and can be as good or better than wedding cake. Just shack up, and save the expense.
Next, the question should be, why the hell is the government involved in a personal thing like marriage anyway. Because of the kids? Many are born out of wedlock now.
Gays want to be able to get "married", in order to help destroy the institution, and dissolve the nuclear family.
It would be nice to hear him say, right after giving his opinion on gay marriage, that although he believes gay marriage is okay, his opinion on the matter is largely irrelevant on the whole because marriage is a state issue, not a Federal issue. Therefore, NC's right to not allow gay marriage is as legitimate as the states that have allowed it.
Isn't it possible for a person (who is straight or gay to be for equal rights for ALL? IT DOES NOT MEAN A PERSON BELIEVES IN OR ENDORSES THE GAY LIFESTYLE. Christians will beat Obama up. He is married to a woman for heaven's sake. He lives like a straight man (sexually)...... forget the Christian or gay viewpoint...... IT IS POLITICAL, which disgusts me personally for Obama to use the gay lifestyle to get the gay vote. Romney will use the "straight lifestyle" for the same purpose, and probably has gays in his own family, which, if the truth was known,(all likely can point to one or two gay people in the family)...........
Not against the gays, but if they want to commit, fine, they can have civil unions. If offering benefits for gay unions helps companies attract talented designers or software engineers or whatnot - no problem.
Good for the him. It took courage to speak up for what he personally believes as well as being risky. I thank you Mr. President for your evolving wisdom.
You know, even if you won't follow Biblical guidance, just look at how man and woman are made. They are made to "fit" together. I am a woman, and I can LOVE another woman without having a sexual relationship with her. Men can feel/do the same with another man. To many people think LOVING someone means a sexual relationship. Wrong! But, MARRIAGE should remain between the two sexes who were meant to "fit" together. LOVE one another, but sexual relations should follow the "blue print."
Here we are in the land of the free. Famous for it's right's to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for all citizens. Unless you're a "conservative" and against that kind of stuff...
Hey Donald--how many times have you or those you know divorced God?
You'll convince me it's holy when you treat it as such.
Mr. Rage:
Plenty.
And will you be convinced of speed limits when no one speeds, laws against murder when no one kills, the 4.0 grade system when everyone is an A student?
There are still such things as definitions and standards - marriage happens to be one of them. Sure, many fall short, but those failures do not form a basis for bastardization of the standard.
As noted previously, I've no issue with the existence of 'civil unions', whereby two dudes or two chicks can share insurance or retirement benefits. Immensely practical. But that doesn't appear to be the goal of the gay lobby, which instead prefers to co-opt the definition of marriage in furtherance of its political goals.
All of us have friends or relatives who would love to complete their relationship with marriage. And, we would love to see them happy. If you believe you don't know anyone in that position, you have your head buried in the sand.
The Journey of Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca 1542: During his six year captivity by savage indians on the Texas coast, he saw many things that he faithfully recorded in his report to the Spanish King. This passage seems relevant: "During the time I was among them I saw something very repulsive, namely, a man married to another man. Such are impotent and womanish beings, who dress like women and perform the office of the women, but use the bow and carry big loads. Among these indians we saw many of them; they are more robust than other men, taller and can carry heavy burdens. " I guess gay marriage is a Texas tradition since 1528...
I guess he is just being "cool" like he was when he used drugs! In his second term, gays will be able to be married and our pastors will be forced to marry them; just like providing birth control. Our country is going to hell!
@4:12 Why is the government in the issue of marriage?
1. You have to acquire a marriage "license" from the government. 2. You receive a tax deduction from your government for being married. 3. With a "license" you become a part of next of kin for financial, legal and medical decisions and benefits. 4. With a "license" you can have health and retirement benefits between the two parties. 5. Your assists are considered joint custody. 6. You can only dissolve the "license" with a legal divorce from our government. 7. You can receive a "license" for all the benefits of marriage as I explain above even if your Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, Wizard, or Mormon.
That will mess up his black vote. There are not many black homo's (at least they hide it) and I would BET they would be disappointed in his new evolution.
Bottom line--The Donald is correct. Give 'em a Civil Union that has all the rights and responsibilities of marriage, and call it a day. No biggee, just don't call it a "marriage".
You can pee on my leg and call it "rain", but its still pee, not rain.
I guess someone from Obammy's admin. should tell 26-year-old Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who is a POW of the Taliban, "Hey your Commander in Chief can't help you anymore. He is trying to win the gay vote."
It's strange that the folks I know who are gay and married (I'm married when I'm in Vermont but not when I'm in Texas, apparently) seem to get WAY less worked up about this whole issue that the people who don't really have a dog in the fight.
My straight pro-gay marriage friends get WAY more worked up about it than the gay folks I know.
I need to find an angle to get outraged about Obama. Or about North Carolina voters. or Obama AND North Carolina voters.
I feel we should not judge. The answers will come on each person's judgement day. As a christian, what you or your significant other do does not affect me or my beliefs - I know I must study and read the bible to understand what is expected of me and judging others is not in my book!
Wow 4:12, "Destroy the Institutuion"? Really?! Seeing how Gay couples, for the most part, have not been allowed to get married, how can they already have detroyed something the Straight Community has been obliterating for Decades!? Let em' get married and then see where they are in 10 years, versus the straight communities divorce rate.....jus sayin
9:31 Well said 10:16 you sound like we are talking about animals! God didn't intend for sex to be between man and man and girl and girl it was man and women how much more plain can you get.
It's a states rights issue.....as most things should be. Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass either way. Liberals cram it down your throat and conservatives are such hypocrites about it. I do think it's a great way for the POTUS to distract us lowly citizens from the economical issues that are at the breaking point.
Lots of red herrings there Donald. The equality of laws to which all people are entitled means that if one person can get married, they should all be able to get married. Black people used to drink at water fountains too, even if not the same water fountains the white folks used. The could use bathrooms, and eat at restaurants--just not the same ones... Just because they were provided with an alternative doesn't mean they were treated equally under the law.
That's a closer analogy than any of the wordkyle-esque failed ones you used.
Defined as one man and one woman.....really. Marriage has been defined many times and redefined. I think old Mitt's grandfather defined marriage as one man and as many women as he can get! Marriage in the USOA is not about religion. A Wicken, an Atheist, a buddist, a Hindu, an agnostic and get a marriage license and have all the rights and benefits of marriage in this country. Gays are seeking the right to marriage. So don't marry them in your evangelical church, but they are asking for the same rights as the atheist that lives next door to you.
He will do anything for the vote;George would not.From the photo he looked like he had a hard time swallowing it himself.One does not evolve on that matter he was just waiting on the queer count to se if he needed it.Ask him if he would be O K if his daughter married a white girl.
>1. You have to acquire a marriage "license" from the government.<
No. You do not. Millions of folks shack up, call themselves married, without government interaction. Marriage existed as an institution for thousands of years, without interference of the US gov.
>2. You receive a tax deduction from your government for being married.<
Not needed.
>3. With a "license" you become a part of next of kin for financial, legal and medical decisions and benefits.<
Easily and better done by contract.
>4. With a "license" you can have health and retirement benefits between the two parties.<
Same as three.
>5. Your assists are considered joint custody.<
Same as three.
>6. You can only dissolve the "license" with a legal divorce from our government.<
That is just crazy...The way you are thinking, marriage is an institution developed by the US gov for the express idea of keeping you under their thumb. You seem to be happy about that.
The government cannot make laws and rules about my personal life, and who I am married to. If you allow them to do it, you are a fool. Also, a relationship based on government fiat is worth nothing.
>7. You can receive a "license" for all the benefits of marriage as I explain above even if your Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, Wizard, or Mormon.<
The problem here is, you think a license is GOOD, when it is actually BAD. Going to buy a license is lackey training by your government. The government is not what matters in marriage. God is what matters in marriage, and always has been.
>Exactly how is marriage NOT a government policy?<
When you do NOT allow the government into your life and into that holy covenant. A covenant between a man, a woman, and God. No US government involvement.
IF you are gay, and need the government to validate your relationship, then you have no relationship, related to the soul.
Big Tex again demonstrates his stupidity. Obama merely expressed his own opinion, he legislated nothing. Tex probably doesn't have a pot to piss in let alone lots of money.
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Another step towards ending the bigotry.
Forward. 2012.
Wow. Just in time for elections. He's really grasping for straws.
Nickel.
Oh wait...I thought you were asking what he was worth.
Did you say all in on the gay?
I bet that lost a few votes for the fagg lovin nigger.
WHAT!!! That is so hard to believe! Could votes be involved??? Actually I think drugs and alcohol are involved.
Can you say will agree with you for votes?
He's coming out of the closet. Hey I'm ok if he's gay, it might explain why he leans so far to the left.
...and in related news the city of San Francisco is experiening an uprecedented siesmic event, although no formal reports of an earthquake!!!
Marriage is a convenant between a man, a woman, and God. If God is not involved, where is the meaning?
Whether homo or hetero, if there is no holy covenant, why bother getting married? Regular cake is cheap, and can be as good or better than wedding cake. Just shack up, and save the expense.
Next, the question should be, why the hell is the government involved in a personal thing like marriage anyway. Because of the kids? Many are born out of wedlock now.
Gays want to be able to get "married", in order to help destroy the institution, and dissolve the nuclear family.
Job
Matthew McConaughey just opened up the Cristal. Opa!
He is so flippin nuts
One more reason to vote
the bitch out.
And for the rest of Obama's term in office, Joe Biden will be touring American military installations located above the Arctic Circle. By dogsled.
messupper has real breaking news for a change..wow..!
i'ma bett'n he laks it wenn micellle strps ondat bic wite dildoo en putz it too his blakass..
It would be nice to hear him say, right after giving his opinion on gay marriage, that although he believes gay marriage is okay, his opinion on the matter is largely irrelevant on the whole because marriage is a state issue, not a Federal issue. Therefore, NC's right to not allow gay marriage is as legitimate as the states that have allowed it.
Isn't it possible for a person (who is straight or gay to be for equal rights for ALL? IT DOES NOT MEAN A PERSON BELIEVES IN OR ENDORSES THE GAY LIFESTYLE. Christians will beat Obama up. He is married to a woman for heaven's sake. He lives like a straight man (sexually)...... forget the Christian or gay viewpoint...... IT IS POLITICAL, which disgusts me personally for Obama to use the gay lifestyle to get the gay vote. Romney will use the "straight lifestyle" for the same purpose, and probably has gays in his own family, which, if the truth was known,(all likely can point to one or two gay people in the family)...........
What is a hyprocrite?
Well, one thing is certain....he won't win North Carolina like he did last time.....and he's energized the evangelicals to vote for Romney.
Anyone surprised?
I'm with Job. Marriage = Man + Woman + God.
Not against the gays, but if they want to commit, fine, they can have civil unions. If offering benefits for gay unions helps companies attract talented designers or software engineers or whatnot - no problem.
But it's not marriage.
That idiot can do nothing to surprise me.
My bet is he just lost votes. I think the pro-gay folks are fewer than we think. They just make more noise.
Good for the him. It took courage to speak up for what he personally believes as well as being risky. I thank you Mr. President for your evolving wisdom.
Finally, a president who wants it "our way"!
DF Truman Capote
Hey Donald--how many times have you or those you know divorced God?
You'll convince me it's holy when you treat it as such.
Rage
Hey Donald--how many times have you or those you know divorced God?
You'll convince me it's holy when you treat it as such.
Rage
You know, even if you won't follow Biblical guidance, just look at how man and woman are made. They are made to "fit" together. I am a woman, and I can LOVE another woman without having a sexual relationship with her. Men can feel/do the same with another man. To many people think LOVING someone means a sexual relationship. Wrong!
But, MARRIAGE should remain between the two sexes who were meant to "fit" together.
LOVE one another, but sexual relations should follow the "blue print."
Here we are in the land of the free. Famous for it's right's to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for all citizens. Unless you're a "conservative" and against that kind of stuff...
Same gender, transgender, gender neutral, intersexual, ambiguous genitalia, hermaphrodite, etc... . Let them marry otherwise it's just too confusing.
4:12 and Donald...so boring...blah blah blah grow up! Read a book...evolve...for God's sake
Hey Donald--how many times have you or those you know divorced God?
You'll convince me it's holy when you treat it as such.
Mr. Rage:
Plenty.
And will you be convinced of speed limits when no one speeds, laws against murder when no one kills, the 4.0 grade system when everyone is an A student?
There are still such things as definitions and standards - marriage happens to be one of them. Sure, many fall short, but those failures do not form a basis for bastardization of the standard.
As noted previously, I've no issue with the existence of 'civil unions', whereby two dudes or two chicks can share insurance or retirement benefits. Immensely practical. But that doesn't appear to be the goal of the gay lobby, which instead prefers to co-opt the definition of marriage in furtherance of its political goals.
Well that explains why your such a Hair Pie Barry, wait we all knew that
9:31
Some heterosexual people have anal sex too. How about oral sex........that 'fits' too. It's not about what fits.......it's about sexual orientation.
One day all gays will be able to marry - just as heteros do now. Like it or not.
All of us have friends or relatives who would love to complete their relationship with marriage. And, we would love to see them happy.
If you believe you don't know anyone in that position, you have your head buried in the sand.
Liz.....you sound ignorant.
Donald....you're arguing with an unreasonable person.
Separate but equal, right Donald?
i sez hell yes to fellatio...hell no to sodomie.
The Journey of Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca 1542: During his six year captivity by savage indians on the Texas coast, he saw many things that he faithfully recorded in his report to the Spanish King. This passage seems relevant: "During the time I was among them I saw something very repulsive, namely, a man married to another man. Such are impotent and womanish beings, who dress like women and perform the office of the women, but use the bow and carry big loads. Among these indians we saw many of them; they are more robust than other men, taller and can carry heavy burdens. " I guess gay marriage is a Texas tradition since 1528...
BG..you knew the pounding would come fast and hard when you posted this bullshit. where is the backdoor intruder when we really need him?
hey i'll move backwards while you move FORWARD..whoaa, wait a f'n minute..that would have Obammy puttin it in my ass..NO WAY Negro!
I guess he is just being "cool" like he was when he used drugs! In his second term, gays will be able to be married and our pastors will be forced to marry them; just like providing birth control. Our country is going to hell!
well he may be a nigger, butt he's our nigger.
Thank goodness somebody has our back, us gayz need all the help we can get to increase our fabulousness.
Rage
@4:12
Why is the government in the issue of marriage?
1. You have to acquire a marriage "license" from the government.
2. You receive a tax deduction from your government for being married.
3. With a "license" you become a part of next of kin for financial, legal and medical decisions and benefits.
4. With a "license" you can have health and retirement benefits between the two parties.
5. Your assists are considered joint custody.
6. You can only dissolve the "license" with a legal divorce from our government.
7. You can receive a "license" for all the benefits of marriage as I explain above even if your Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, Wizard, or Mormon.
Exactly how is marriage NOT a government policy?
That will mess up his black vote. There are not many black homo's (at least they hide it) and I would BET they would be disappointed in his new evolution.
Bottom line--The Donald is correct. Give 'em a Civil Union that has all the rights and responsibilities of marriage, and call it a day. No biggee, just don't call it a "marriage".
You can pee on my leg and call it "rain", but its still pee, not rain.
I guess someone from Obammy's admin. should tell 26-year-old Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who is a POW of the Taliban, "Hey your Commander in Chief can't help you anymore. He is trying to win the gay vote."
Sorry bro, you should'a been gay!
It's strange that the folks I know who are gay and married (I'm married when I'm in Vermont but not when I'm in Texas, apparently) seem to get WAY less worked up about this whole issue that the people who don't really have a dog in the fight.
My straight pro-gay marriage friends get WAY more worked up about it than the gay folks I know.
I need to find an angle to get outraged about Obama. Or about North Carolina voters. or Obama AND North Carolina voters.
I feel we should not judge. The answers will come on each person's judgement day. As a christian, what you or your significant other do does not affect me or my beliefs - I know I must study and read the bible to understand what is expected of me and judging others is not in my book!
Wow 4:12, "Destroy the Institutuion"? Really?! Seeing how Gay couples, for the most part, have not been allowed to get married, how can they already have detroyed something the Straight Community has been obliterating for Decades!? Let em' get married and then see where they are in 10 years, versus the straight communities divorce rate.....jus sayin
9:31 Well said 10:16 you sound like we are talking about animals! God didn't intend for sex to be between man and man and girl and girl it was man and women how much more plain can you get.
bama must be nervous about the election to pull a 180 like that.
It's a states rights issue.....as most things should be. Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass either way. Liberals cram it down your throat and conservatives are such hypocrites about it. I do think it's a great way for the POTUS to distract us lowly citizens from the economical issues that are at the breaking point.
Funny how you're quick to post when someone uses the"N" word.....shows how much of a racist you are....
No, I'm talking about sexual orientation , not body parts that 'fit' as 9:31 was talking about.
♫ Obama and Larry Sinclair had a steamy love affair ♫
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOOEo35YLGM
McConaughey is gay also.
Lots of red herrings there Donald. The equality of laws to which all people are entitled means that if one person can get married, they should all be able to get married. Black people used to drink at water fountains too, even if not the same water fountains the white folks used. The could use bathrooms, and eat at restaurants--just not the same ones... Just because they were provided with an alternative doesn't mean they were treated equally under the law.
That's a closer analogy than any of the wordkyle-esque failed ones you used.
Rage
9:16- tell me where in the bible where "woman on woman" action is not allowed.
Seriously, where? I think God is like the rest of the people out there. S/He really enjoys the girl on girl view.
I need some clarification from the "This shows Obama is gay" crowd:
If I am for equal rights (or even special rights) for Jewish people, does that make me Jewish?
Check out the update... Scott and the officer look like brothers!
Defined as one man and one woman.....really.
Marriage has been defined many times and redefined. I think old Mitt's grandfather defined marriage as one man and as many women as he can get!
Marriage in the USOA is not about religion. A Wicken, an Atheist, a buddist, a Hindu, an agnostic and get a marriage license and have all the rights and benefits of marriage in this country. Gays are seeking the right to marriage. So don't marry them in your evangelical church, but they are asking for the same rights as the atheist that lives next door to you.
Hey Obama. I want to marry my dog. I will give you lots of money if you will approve it.
yours truly, Sicko
He will do anything for the vote;George would not.From the photo he looked like he had a hard time swallowing it himself.One does not evolve on that matter he was just waiting on the queer count to se if he needed it.Ask him if he would be O K if his daughter married a white girl.
8:10,
>1. You have to acquire a marriage "license" from the government.<
No. You do not. Millions of folks shack up, call themselves married, without government interaction. Marriage existed as an institution for thousands of years, without interference of the US gov.
>2. You receive a tax deduction from your government for being married.<
Not needed.
>3. With a "license" you become a part of next of kin for financial, legal and medical decisions and benefits.<
Easily and better done by contract.
>4. With a "license" you can have health and retirement benefits between the two parties.<
Same as three.
>5. Your assists are considered joint custody.<
Same as three.
>6. You can only dissolve the "license" with a legal divorce from our government.<
That is just crazy...The way you are thinking, marriage is an institution developed by the US gov for the express idea of keeping you under their thumb. You seem to be happy about that.
The government cannot make laws and rules about my personal life, and who I am married to. If you allow them to do it, you are a fool. Also, a relationship based on government fiat is worth nothing.
>7. You can receive a "license" for all the benefits of marriage as I explain above even if your Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, Wizard, or Mormon.<
The problem here is, you think a license is GOOD, when it is actually BAD. Going to buy a license is lackey training by your government. The government is not what matters in marriage. God is what matters in marriage, and always has been.
>Exactly how is marriage NOT a government policy?<
When you do NOT allow the government into your life and into that holy covenant. A covenant between a man, a woman, and God. No US government involvement.
IF you are gay, and need the government to validate your relationship, then you have no relationship, related to the soul.
Job
Big Tex again demonstrates his stupidity. Obama merely expressed his own opinion, he legislated nothing. Tex probably doesn't have a pot to piss in let alone lots of money.
8:28- You would not look so stupid on here if you would try and inform yourself before commenting. And I make more in a month than you make in a year!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/gay-marriage-reversal-means-cash-for-obama
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