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3.19.2012

Separation of Church and State?

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Does a license plate showing three crosses promote Christianity by the State of Texas?  What if a portion of the proceeds from the sale of those plates goes to an organization, the Glory Gang, who helps at risk kids but which refers to itself as a "ministry" and has a Sunday night service which "ends with an age appropriate message about Jesus"? The Glory Gang certainly understands that State money is being used for religious purposes because one of its board members said, “We believe the new plate will appeal to a lot of Texans who believe as we do -- who will like knowing that sharing a Christian message from their cars will also help kids in need."

Would you approve of a plate which promotes Islam?

52 comments:

Anonymous said...

"ONE STATE UNDER ALLAH" would never be accepted by any person in Wise County based on my reading of comments on here. The "ONE STATE UNDER GOD" plate is perfectly fine because Christians believe their imaginary friend is better than any other person's imaginary friend.

Remote Controller said...

As long as all the other religions get a turn with their own personalized bling with the state. It doesn't matter.

Anonymous said...

Geesh,
This country was founded by Christians and based on Christian beliefs and views - this is ok, it hurts no-one - and NO because Isamic views and beliefs are not founding principles here in Texas or this Country. If you want Islamic beliefs then move to the Middle East! We are all infidels anyway, that's how we roll. Let's try to keep the liberalistic crapola downplayed when it smells like dumbass - cool?

Anonymous said...

I am Christian and I would not object to an Islam license plate. Even though their beliefs differ from mine, their beliefs are theirs. I would guess 99% of people know little to none about their beliefs, they just want to assume their all terrorist. Far from truth. Islam is a very loving faith that prays to the same God we Christians do. And the Qu'ran is a very interesting piece.

Anonymous said...

The comment about Christians' imaginary friend is biased, ill-informed, and blasphemous. If it were directed at the Muslim god, you can bet your boots Barry would be running a chance of having his offices blown up. Fortunately, Christians are more tolerant; however, I am surprised that Barry would not censure such a vicious post.

I am curious as to why all the intolerance toward Christianity -- not only is it the religion of peace, but it is the religion of our American forefathers as well as the majority religion of this continent.

All this intolerance toward Christians and Christianity will eventually backfire, and, as believers are wont to say, there will be hell to pay.

Anonymous said...

This is GOOD liberal stuff here, you know - "the lets get a Homo to teach the young boys" people. Liberals are always my imaginary friends!

Anonymous said...

All it is is a high dollar bumper sticker that an individual purchases. Do we not have that right anymore either?

Anonymous said...

Why does everyone seem to think our American forefathers were Christian?

The Devil said...

The Glory Gang, really! They couldn't come up with a better name than that. Yeah, let's let the Glory Gang get ahold of our at risk kids, not sure that will end well.

Anonymous said...

Sad thing is = If this was a plate with an Islamic message, you wouldn't even think it was worthy of a post. Only Christianity gets ridiculed here.

Anonymous said...

I'm a conservative and I think they should leave all religious refernces off. Separation of church and state exists because the founding fathers didn't want govenment to promote ANY religion. Yes folks that even included (and still does)the religion many of them practiced. Why? They didn't want any one religion having influence over the governing of the country. Read a history book sometimes. They were pretty smart fellers.

Anonymous said...

11:33 A.M.

You are not a Christian if you are praying to the God of the Islamic faith...I do know about their faith..Christians believe that Jesus is God..Islam does not...That means they believe in a different God...Just because you feel the Quran is interesting does not mean it is correct...It tells them to kill us..

Anonymous said...

11:35(the first one)...

Don't get upset about your Christian god being called imaginary. You apparently have a religion that requires an imagination (talking snake, people turning to stone, spontaneous burning plants, Jewish zombie, a big boat with two of everything, earth being "created" in a week, etc.). If you believe it, great! No attack on it. That's your choice.

But, to call someone that disagrees with you "biased, ill-informed, and blasphemous" is petty and childish. Not everyone believes the way you do. Imagine that.

The only intolerance is exemplified by the irony of your comment.

Anonymous said...

Infidels.

Anonymous said...

This country might have been founded on Islamic beliefs if
camels could swim.

Anonymous said...

You have to buy it. You have to choose this. Its not something forced on you. You leave me alone and let me support my faith and my god and I will let you support yours.

Anonymous said...

Yeah the crusades were all about peace.

Anyway, so yeah, the bible is as real as lord of the rings. Both books tell morality tales and the struggle of good over evil.

Bfg

Anonymous said...

12:03 PM

I never indicated they had the same belief system as us Christians. I never indicated that shared their beliefs. Their path of salvation is totaly different than what we Christians believe. None the less they believe that our same God is the creater in Heaven and earth. The Qu'ran nor Islamic faith believes in killing Christians. I also never indicated I believed the Qu'ran. My point was as you study thier faith and beliefs you can better understand and respect thier views. Dosen't mean I agree.

Anonymous said...

12:04 --

Then I will be petty and childish in your eyes while you will be "biased, ill-informed, and blasphemous."

As I'm sure you've heard (but not heeded), the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Have a nice trip. We'll pray for you.

Anonymous said...

I would support any plate promoting anything because it's an OPTIONAL plate that COSTS MORE MONEY. You don;t have to buy it.

Chief Justice Burger w/Cheese said...

The plate DOES promote Christianity and is therefore a sponsorship of religion by the State. However, the fact that it is an optional plate, which is completely supported by an extra fee, PLUS its message is done in such a minimal manner (e.g. In God We Trust on $), its acceptance by the State will not be successfully challenged on 1st Amendment grounds.

However, if the State does not allow a similar message from other religions to be approved, then it will be successfully challenged. That would be considered an endorsement of Christianity over other religions and that would be in violation of the Constitution.

So, expect to see Islamic, Taoist, Jewish, etc. license plates...or don't plan to see this one for long.

You're Welcome.

Anonymous said...

This country was founded by Christians and based on Christian beliefs and views

Wrong.

When you start your post with such an idiot and inaccurate statement, it's hard to even finish reading the rest of it.

Rage

Anonymous said...

Hey There Barry Bubba - I got me a customized plate, it aint got no religion on it, it gots some pig blood from them danged ole hogs that are tearin up Texas. I wonder if them Islamy's would take a little of that there? When in (Rome) I mean Texas...............

Anonymous said...

God is not real. Therefore, three crosses, three cats in the hat, three characters from peanuts... I don't care at all. Nobody is being forced to buy this plate. It's basically a bumper sticker for a tag. i think if you want it to say Islam, scientology, Latter Day Saints, or poop, I don't care.

Anonymous said...

My Comanche brothers and I are waiting for the our Native American religious plates. And waiting. And waiting. Ghost dancing and growing our peyote in the mean time.

My Other Brother Darryl

The Devil said...

MOBD, maybe you can get a permit to kill a bald eagle or two in the meantime.

We need some separation of church and hate along with church and state.

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Meh. We already have a "God Bless Texas" specialty plate you can buy.

Once the State started offering specialty license plates for anyone to purchase then it stopped being a seperation issue.

If the state paid for these, then yes, it would be an issue.

If you don't like the one shown above, take your pic of the many listed below...

Colleges and Universities
Austin College
Baylor University
Lubbock Christian University
Prairie View A&M University
Rice University
Sam Houston State University
Southern Methodist University
Southwestern University
St. Mary's University
Stephen F. Austin State University
Sul Ross State University
Texas A&M University
Texas A&M University, Commerce
Texas Christian University
Texas Southern University
Texas State University
Texas Tech University
University of Houston
University of Mary Hardin-Baylor
University of North Texas
University of Saint Thomas
University of Texas at Arlington
University of Texas at Austin
University of Texas at El Paso
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center
West Texas A&M University
Organizations
4-H
A Fine Cause
Adopt-A-Beach
Air Force Association
American Quarter Horse Association
Animal Friendly
Be A Blood Donor
Big Bend National Park
Big Brothers Big Sisters
Boy Scouts of America
Buffalo Soldiers
CASA - Court Appointed Special Advocate
Choose Life
Coastal Conservation
College for all Texans
Cotton Boll
Deaf/Hard Of Hearing
Ducks Unlimited - Blue Heron
Ducks Unlimited - Classic
El Paso Mission Valley
Fight Terrorism
Florida Alumni Association
Girl Scouts
Go Texan II Farm Trailer
Go Texan II Farm Truck
Go Texan II Farm Truck > 1 Ton
Go Texan II Farm Truck Tractor
Go Texan II Token Trailer
Go Texan II Trailer
Go Texan II Truck > 1 Ton
Go Texan Passenger Car or Truck
God Bless America
God Bless Texas
Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
Insure Texas Kids
Keep Texas Beautiful
Knights of Columbus
LSU Alumni Association
March of Dimes
Marine Mammal Recovery
Mothers Against Drunk Driving
Native Texan
Organ Donor
Read to Succeed
Red Grapefruit
Rotary International
San Jacinto Texas Historic District
Share The Road
Smile Texas Style
Space Shuttle Columbia
Special Olympics Texas
State Capitol
State of the Arts
Stop Child Abuse
Texans Conquer Cancer
Texas Aerospace Commission
Texas Lions Camp
Texas Masons
Texas Master Gardener
Texas Music
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Bluebonnet
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Horned Lizard
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Largemouth Bass
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Whitetail Deer
Texas Reads
Texas State Rifle Association
Texas Trails
Texas Young Lawyers
Texas.-It's Like a Whole Other Country
United States Olympic Committee
United We Stand
Urban Forestry
YMCA
Professional Sports Teams
Dallas Cowboys
Dallas Mavericks
Dallas Stars
Houston Astros
Houston Rockets
Houston Texans
Texas Rangers
Motorcycle and Moped
A Fine Cause
Adopt-A-Beach
Big Bend National Park
Buffalo Soldiers
Coastal Conservation
College for all Texans
Ducks Unlimited - Blue Heron
Ducks Unlimited - Classic
Fight Terrorism
Florida Alumni Association
God Bless America
God Bless Texas
Insure Texas Kids
LSU Alumni Association
Mothers Against Drunk Driving
Native Texan
Rotary International
San Jacinto Texas Historic District
Share The Road
Stop Child Abuse
Texas Masons
Texas Master Gardener
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Bluebonnet
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Horned Lizard
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Largemouth Bass
Texas Parks and Wildlife Conserv - Whitetail Deer
Texas Trails

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Here are some already available that don't seem to raise any eyebrows now... whats the prob with the one on the blog?

https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=60&pltid=356

https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=60&pltid=85

https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=60&pltid=315

https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=60&pltid=89

https://rts.texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/txdotrts/SpecialPlateOrderServlet?grpid=60&pltid=114

Anonymous said...

It's all well and good, until one of the Glory Gang gets caught at a glory hole or is accused of improper conduct with an "at risk" little boy or girl.

Anonymous said...

Let's see Britney Spears already!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Isn't the whole point of a license plate to easily identify a vehicle? If you have a hundred variations of a states' plate wouldn't that make it difficult to tell what state it's actually from? Why don't we leave the self expression to bumper stickers and license plate frames. If you want to give money to a cause just cut a check to that group and leave the government out of it.

In any case I'm still waiting for my "In Flying Spaghetti Monster We Trust" plate to be approved.

Anonymous said...

Praise God we live in a country that allows open discussion and debate free from censorship or government interference. God really knew what He was doing when He instructed the hands of our Christian forefathers in the writing of the U. S. Constitution.

Honk if you love Jesus!

wordkyle said...

217 -- According to Sir John Harrington, the proper term is "laundry hole."

Anonymous said...

12:47 - "Have a nice trip. We'll pray for you."

Are you serious? Way to represent the Christian faith there...

When someone accuses you of being childish, you might try to avoid coming back with a decidedly childish response. It kind of makes you look, well... childish.

Anonymous said...

I would say the collapse of our public education system is pretty well demonstrated here. Things like history, government, geography, and reading no longer get adequate (if any) attention. Critical thought is squashed.

The 'great unwashed masses' just get greater, fatter, dirtier, and ... ignoranter.

"Social Studies" seems now suspected of fostering "socialism."

"Freedom of Religion" is a strident and paranoid call to vitriolic persecution, spite, and spittle.

Our Deistic, Rationalist 'Founding Fathers' are reimagined and recast as Cotton Mather and the 10 Disciples at the Last Supper (12 sans Judas/Satan and that smarmy intellectual, Thomas).

Paint the libraries, but for God's sake don't buy books.

And everyone KNOWS Jesus was a quarterback.

It no longer serves a purpose to pass out washrags when the crowd believes them to be rally towels.

As for me, give me liberty or give me teeth.

Anonymous said...

3:31 --

Yep, I'm serious. As serious as damnation and the freedom to express myself. Childish? Thank you. At least I'm fighting for what I believe in. Go lecture someone weaker than you. Thanks for reading. You made the prayer list.

Honk if you love Jesus! Call one another childish! Call the police!

Cleverly Disguised said...

11:35
Religion of peace?

Tell that to the victims of the inquisition, the crusades, the holocaust, the indigenous Americans (who were here first)…Just to name but a few….religion of peace, my a..

Anonymous said...

We need to back the hell off the various special plates. It's gotten so that at a distance I can't tell whether it's from Texas half the time.

--Cranky Cop.

Anonymous said...

5:09 --

The communists and fascists of the 20th century killed more people than all the prior religious wars added together. Don't be a cleverly disguised moron.

Anonymous said...

A cleverly disguised moron? And 5:09, you, of course, are not a "cleverly disguised moron"?

Well, your not cleverly disguised at any rate.

I am amazed at the display of stupidity and foolishness here!

A 2005 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll found that 53 percent of Americans believe that "God created humans in their present form exactly the way the Bible describes it." The results closely paralleled those in polls taken over the last 20 years, in which nearly half of all Americans consistently agreed that God created human beings pretty much in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

In light of Tocqueville's warning that democracy requires well-educated and well-informed citizens in order to function, it's alarming that many of these people vote.

If 90% of the individuals responding here are an example of the American electorates intellectual acuity... the end is near. And I'm not talking about the Christian fantasy of a "Rapture"!

Anonymous said...

Cleverly said.

The Donald said...

...State money is being used for religious purposes

Really? Are they giving the plates out for free now?

This isn't really a tough Constitutional issue, barrister. The vehicle owner buys the plate and displays it on his/her vehicle.

The State/state is not promoting Christianity.

Next case, please!

Anonymous said...

OK "The Donald", how about we put a star and crescent on the Texas Plate? Or maybe a Halliburton plate, or one of the insurance companies favored by Mr. Perry? That wouldn't be free advertising either would it?

Having watched the "Real Donald" on the tube, I'd have to say that you picked the correct handle. Now if you only had the hair!

Anonymous said...

I think 4:40 is just stirring the pot. The level of hypocrisy is comedic.

Anonymous said...

7:23,
What arrogance you display. You must be a doctor or a lawyer.

Triple Fake... said...

urban  forestry
that funny right there, I don't care who you are!

@ 7:23 -
thanks to the deity of your choice we've got you to enlighten us. Excuse me a sec while I insert a finger up my nose, cuz my thinkin' meat itches. Maybe your time would be better spent on a blog that discusses elevating Tocqueville to sainthood. You seem to spend plenty of time at his shrine. 
This site is the white people equivalent of standing on a virtual street corner and exchanging "Yo mama" jokes. Some people really are as ignorant and bigoted as they seem here. But it's a rather small sampling group. Don't gamble your doctoral thesis on it.

Besides, it'll all be over with on December 21. Does anybody know if the state is issuing Mayan specialty plates?

Anonymous said...

Apparently RAGE you did read the rest -so I rest my case. God made you , therefore you can clearly accept that there are things that are just so idiotic and stupid it's hard to go on. But, go on we must, try to calm down Moron.

Anonymous said...

Well personally, I think we all ought to have a lic. plate with our name on it. It would cut down on a lot of the stupid stunts you see on the road. People will do and say strange things when they think that they are some what anonymous. Like in a blog.

Anonymous said...

My grandfather told me it is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doudt.

Many here should heed this advise. And yes, I know it is not his original saying, he just repeated it to me often.

Anonymous said...

The bible is a book of parables. All lessons are taught with metaphores because the authors could not forsee the future and the lifestyles we would live. Their lessons are not literal. They must be taken in context with their meaning, not for their literal content. Adam and Eve were not the first humans, they were the first humans to have God in their lives. The first humans to be held to a higher standard.

Anonymous said...

4:30
I read your post and suddenly felt so ashamed of my earlier remarks. I wondered if there was any way I could take them back, like that retrieve command in Outlook that allows you to delete an email before the recipient reads it. But there's no way I can take my messages back. So, according to your grandfather, you, me, and everybody who posts here is a fool. I think I can live with that. Look for me to post much more foolishness in the near future. And by the way, you misspelled "doubt".

Anonymous said...

You also misspelled "advice".