Three years? For the charge of "conspiring to launder corporate money into political donations during the 2002 elections."
You've got to be kidding.
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If he broke the law, then he deserves to be punished. As should Charlie Rangle. As a lawmaker, the punishment should be more harsh. Lawmakers need to be taught that no one is above the law. And I am a conservative voter.
It will be interesting to see if the conviction holds up on appeal. Were the initial donations of money illegal in the first place? Did the RNC maintain a firewall between the corporate donations and the money given to Republican candidates? Questions that need to be answered outside of Travis County.
He deserves at least twice that many years, at hard labor. And although I lean left I would also throw Rangel and Waters in with him. A politician that thinks he is above the law needs to be a disappearing breed in my opinion.
Questions that need to be answered outside of Travis County? Yeah, I think all defendants should be allowed to hand-pick their venues. That makes great sense.
Some of you folks obviously don't get it. This will be one of the finest examples of the old Colorado two-step you ever saw. This boy ain't gonna' serve one day of jail time.
Agree with LEL. Breaking the rules deserves a reckoning before Lady Justice, regardless of political flavor. After reading the narrative on the shell game played with moving funds around, my opinion is that Tom deserved his guilty verdict. Chinese walls or not.
341 - "Hand-pick their venues?" Change of venue is a standard practice in high profile cases, moving the trial someplace else so as to obtain a more objective jury. Delay was convicted in Democrat-heavy Travis County by a Democrat-heavy jury, after a Democrat fundraiser and Travis Country prosecutor had to convene six(!) grand juries to get an indictment. Given that the Liberal Democrat hatred spewed at Delay over the years has been pretty pervasive, then yes, opinions outside the Austin loop might be more objective.
I agree if you brake the law you need to be punished. So why is it that if you have a public vehicle(police car, sheriff deputy car etc.) is ok for you to speed or brake the laws of the road but noone else can. This has bothered me for long time. They put our life in danger with their driving but thats ok because they are the law. I know of police officers who have been pulled over in their personal vehicle for speeding but get a warning because they are police officers but the average person would have got a ticket why is this?
Rangel was censured by the House. I am not aware of any legal issues ever being brought against him...even the IRS.
Waters is still developing.
Both, from even a liberal weenie perspective (mine)are way too close to the flame.
It is interesting that many besides Wordkyle have sought to influence the outcome by moving the trial.......isn't that a comment on our fellow citizens. Didn't his defense team have challenges in the selection process.
Could it be that Travis Co just might be the most educated county in the state and that is what Wordkyle fears?
We are represented by Bro King and you guys are worried by Waters and Rangel?
From everything I have read Bro King was Delay's point man in the Texas House during this little attempt at "fixing"
I pray in the new redistricting that WC will be moved out of Kings pervue. He will still be in the House doing his thing, but he won't be "our" man in Austin. If we can't solve the real problem, at least we might be less embarassed.
9:13...Higher education does not remove bias, people are still people!
Think about it this way, would you want to be tried for a crime in Wise County with the entire populace fully aware of your political affiliation? Change of venue is due proecess for a good reason.
913 - "Influence the outcome" -- as though a change of venue is something that was just invented. Delay's lawyers requested a change of venue (denied) because of their worries about getting an impartial jury in Travis County. (And while Travis County might, might, be the most educated, it does not necessarily follow that its citizens have the best judgment.)
I am in no way defending any politician's illegal actions. But when a prosecutor has to seat six grand juries until he gets the outcome he wants, then it makes me wonder about everything else in the case.
1121 - Does it happen every day? I wouldn't know, because I don't follow grand jury processes. I know about this one because it's public record. If you're an expert, maybe you can cite documentation of this "happens every day" multiple grand jury strategy, because I wasn't able to find anything.
As for your awkward attempt to somehow paint me as racist because I dared question a Democrat's tactics...well, that's been tried before, more elegantly but just as unsuccessfully, by others.
Rage - A quick personal attack instead of backing up your statement never hurts, right? It appears that you don't "have time" to support a claim that you made. Very handy.
I'm not quite at the point of outrage. However, not being outraged does not prevent me from seeing the possibility of a tainted jury pool and process. You made the type of comment which implies expertise, so naturally one wonders at the source of your information, other than your say-so. At this point you haven't quite established that level of credibility.
So the way it stands now, you made a statement of supposed fact. When challenged, you got a little snippy and fell back on "I'm too busy." If you're in the legal profession, you must do a heck of a job there, Brownie.
Two that come to mind in Harris County alone are David Temple (five grand juries) for murder and Supreme Court of Texas Justice Medina and his wife for arson (at least two grand juries).
Now, you may no doubt take issue with me having said that this is an "every day" occurrence, and I'm sure someone of your acute mental ability will no doubt notice that I have only named two examples whereas we have certainly had more than two days. And you would be right. I certainly have not mentioned one instance of multiple grand juries for every day in history. You certainly got me there, Sparky. But the two cases I mentioned can be easily googled by someone like you, with an admitted deficiency of knowledge in this arena. The every day use against the every day citizen isn't so public. But it happens. So get out there and do something about it, and express that outrage like you have for The Hammer. Although now, he looks a little more like a nail.
Rage - Thanks for the examples. See, that wasn't so hard, was it? You could have just done that in the first place. While not quite living up to your standard of "every day all across Texas," (overstatement for effect, maybe?) the two examples show that a prosecuting attorney with an agenda can certainly get an indictment if he's willing to abuse the system enough. It looks like I was right in my opinion of Ronnie Earle. I promise to be outraged at all of them from now on, starting with Tom Delay's case.
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31 comments:
If he broke the law, then he deserves to be punished. As should Charlie Rangle. As a lawmaker, the punishment should be more harsh. Lawmakers need to be taught that no one is above the law. And I am a conservative voter.
LEL
he must be looking forward to meeting the backdoor intruder.
typical politician hamming it up for the camera...uhhhh that's a POLICE CAMERA you fool....
It will be interesting to see if the conviction holds up on appeal. Were the initial donations of money illegal in the first place? Did the RNC maintain a firewall between the corporate donations and the money given to Republican candidates? Questions that need to be answered outside of Travis County.
throw Rangle and Waters in with him
He looks like he's posing for a Drivers license picture...LMFAO!!
You stupid wad suck.
So...you can't wash money at the Laundry?
He deserves at least twice that many years, at hard labor. And although I lean left I would also throw Rangel and Waters in with him. A politician that thinks he is above the law needs to be a disappearing breed in my opinion.
wordkyle,
Tom Delay looks quite like your profile picture. Is that "Bob" from the church of subgenius?
Questions that need to be answered outside of Travis County? Yeah, I think all defendants should be allowed to hand-pick their venues. That makes great sense.
He was convicted, little man. Get over it.
Some of you folks obviously don't get it. This will be one of the finest examples of the old Colorado two-step you ever saw. This boy ain't gonna' serve one day of jail time.
333 - The resemblance, if any, is superficial. Delay may have had plastic surgery in an attempt to connect with the Divine.
Agree with LEL. Breaking the rules deserves a reckoning before Lady Justice, regardless of political flavor. After reading the narrative on the shell game played with moving funds around, my opinion is that Tom deserved his guilty verdict. Chinese walls or not.
My Other Brother Darryl
341 - "Hand-pick their venues?" Change of venue is a standard practice in high profile cases, moving the trial someplace else so as to obtain a more objective jury. Delay was convicted in Democrat-heavy Travis County by a Democrat-heavy jury, after a Democrat fundraiser and Travis Country prosecutor had to convene six(!) grand juries to get an indictment. Given that the Liberal Democrat hatred spewed at Delay over the years has been pretty pervasive, then yes, opinions outside the Austin loop might be more objective.
Did Rangel get any punishment for his crime?
How can this even be an issue any more, since Mr. Thomas of the SCOTUS said that corporations could do pretty much anything they want now.
I agree if you brake the law you need to be punished. So why is it that if you have a public vehicle(police car, sheriff deputy car etc.) is ok for you to speed or brake the laws of the road but noone else can. This has bothered me for long time. They put our life in danger with their driving but thats ok because they are the law. I know of police officers who have been pulled over in their personal vehicle for speeding but get a warning because they are police officers but the average person would have got a ticket why is this?
2:50 - you are the truthful one on here. Woo hoo - free everything and protected by the law......can't beat that.
Enjoy, Tom. Enjoy.
They don't use lube in prison.
Smile. Gone.
Just sayin'
and what kind of sentence will our president get when it finally comes out that he isn't and never has been a native born USA citizen?
Rangel was censured by the House. I am not aware of any legal issues ever being brought against him...even the IRS.
Waters is still developing.
Both, from even a liberal weenie perspective (mine)are way too close to the flame.
It is interesting that many besides Wordkyle have sought to influence the outcome by moving the trial.......isn't that a comment on our fellow citizens. Didn't his defense team have challenges in the selection process.
Could it be that Travis Co just might be the most educated county in the state and that is what Wordkyle fears?
We are represented by Bro King and you guys are worried by Waters and Rangel?
From everything I have read Bro King was Delay's point man in the Texas House during this little attempt at "fixing"
I pray in the new redistricting that WC will be moved out of Kings pervue. He will still be in the House doing his thing, but he won't be "our" man in Austin. If we can't solve the real problem, at least we might be less embarassed.
9:13...Higher education does not remove bias, people are still people!
Think about it this way, would you want to be tried for a crime in Wise County with the entire populace fully aware of your political affiliation? Change of venue is due proecess for a good reason.
913 - "Influence the outcome" -- as though a change of venue is something that was just invented. Delay's lawyers requested a change of venue (denied) because of their worries about getting an impartial jury in Travis County. (And while Travis County might, might, be the most educated, it does not necessarily follow that its citizens have the best judgment.)
I am in no way defending any politician's illegal actions. But when a prosecutor has to seat six grand juries until he gets the outcome he wants, then it makes me wonder about everything else in the case.
Travis Country prosecutor had to convene six(!) grand juries
Happens every day all across Texas. I hope you complain as much when it happens to a black Democrat as you do a white Republican.
Oh, I shouldn't hold my breath? Didn't think so.
1121 - Does it happen every day? I wouldn't know, because I don't follow grand jury processes. I know about this one because it's public record. If you're an expert, maybe you can cite documentation of this "happens every day" multiple grand jury strategy, because I wasn't able to find anything.
As for your awkward attempt to somehow paint me as racist because I dared question a Democrat's tactics...well, that's been tried before, more elegantly but just as unsuccessfully, by others.
I don't follow grand jury processes.
That was clear from the start. For the record, I also think it's chickenshit. But your outrage is misplaced.
And I'm sorry if your legal research (and basic Google) skills are lacking, but I don't have the time to do everything for you.
Rage
Rage - A quick personal attack instead of backing up your statement never hurts, right? It appears that you don't "have time" to support a claim that you made. Very handy.
I'm not quite at the point of outrage. However, not being outraged does not prevent me from seeing the possibility of a tainted jury pool and process. You made the type of comment which implies expertise, so naturally one wonders at the source of your information, other than your say-so. At this point you haven't quite established that level of credibility.
So the way it stands now, you made a statement of supposed fact. When challenged, you got a little snippy and fell back on "I'm too busy." If you're in the legal profession, you must do a heck of a job there, Brownie.
Don't get your panties in such a wad sweetheart.
Two that come to mind in Harris County alone are David Temple (five grand juries) for murder and Supreme Court of Texas Justice Medina and his wife for arson (at least two grand juries).
Now, you may no doubt take issue with me having said that this is an "every day" occurrence, and I'm sure someone of your acute mental ability will no doubt notice that I have only named two examples whereas we have certainly had more than two days. And you would be right. I certainly have not mentioned one instance of multiple grand juries for every day in history. You certainly got me there, Sparky. But the two cases I mentioned can be easily googled by someone like you, with an admitted deficiency of knowledge in this arena. The every day use against the every day citizen isn't so public. But it happens. So get out there and do something about it, and express that outrage like you have for The Hammer. Although now, he looks a little more like a nail.
Rage
Rage - Thanks for the examples. See, that wasn't so hard, was it? You could have just done that in the first place. While not quite living up to your standard of "every day all across Texas," (overstatement for effect, maybe?) the two examples show that a prosecuting attorney with an agenda can certainly get an indictment if he's willing to abuse the system enough. It looks like I was right in my opinion of Ronnie Earle. I promise to be outraged at all of them from now on, starting with Tom Delay's case.
I'm still not holding my breath.
Hugs and kisses,
Rage
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