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4.08.2009

That "Christian Nation" Remark

If he means, "We are a nation of people who practice many different faiths, but we are bound together by a common set of ideals and values", is that really wrong?

78 comments:

Jarhead said...

The "secular country" comment is more disturbing that the "Christian nation" quip. He just defined his mission to de-Christianize the good ol' U.S. of A.! This guy is a piece of work.

"Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!" [humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

I counted 18 "uh"s in 1:35, BTW.

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me? Was not our nation founded on Christian beliefs, so much so that we put "In God We Trust" on every denomonation of money we have? I am sick to death of OBAMA, and am scared to death what will happen to America under his "leadership".
God help us all! Yes, GOD help us all.

Anonymous said...

If that's what he meant he should have said it here...at home and then he could correctly guage if it should be said abroad. Saying it in Turkey sounded like he was pandering to a foreign country getting them to like him.

Anonymous said...

One nation under God. that is what we are.

Anonymous said...

Agree with 2042. Obama's supposed to be intelligent and articulate. If what you suggest is what he meant, thus should he have spoken.

Tyler Tamplen said...

Our nation was founded under God but our founders came here so every man, woman and child may have religious freedom. Yes God is the way, but if other people want to believe something different we don't need to bash them for it. All we can do is share the great news of God. God said to love everyone. God put Obama as president for a reason, so trust in Him, that's all we can do.

Anonymous said...

..."One Nation Under GOD!" Could they have said it any clearer?

Well in the Obama-nation, all are given the unallienable rights to what they have not worked for, the right to not ever have to tollerate the faith of those who founded this formerly great nation, and the right to vote entitlements to them selves with funds collected from the working masses. One nation under the never had a real job, changes his values based on his audience, vote for upward creeping poverty president. That sounds much better.

53,000,000 +/- people voted against this man. Do not forget that.

Anonymous said...

That's fine Mr. Tamplen....but let's make sure those others are NOT bashing Christianity as well. It seems some people feel that Christians need to be more "tolerant" of other religions, yet at the same time those are the same people who bash the Christian belief. Would they be speaking with "forked" tongue?

I am a Christian, and I am tolerant because I believe everyone has a right to believe as they will. But I am a devout enough Christian that I will defend my beliefs and my Lord when others tear Him down. I only hope other Christians will do the same, otherwise, we become trampled and ashamed.

So, choose your own religious beliefs and live your life according to them....just don't bash others.

Anonymous said...

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not Christianity.

Anonymous said...

"53,000,000 +/- people voted against this man. Do not forget that."
Obama won in a slandslide. Do not forget that.
How many voted against that man W. Bush both times? W. barely, maybe not even fairly, squeaked by?
Ha Ha.

Anonymous said...

He's liable to say anything without a teleprompter. Won in a landslide? That's funny. Check your facts.

Anonymous said...

I am a Christian and I agree 100% with what President Obama said. We are a free nation with a large Christian population.

He is not bashing Christians.
He is not defining his mission to de-Christianize the nation.
It is what it is. Exactly what President Obama said. A nation bound by a set of values and ideas.

What we do not need is Religious fundamentalist.
Whether they are Muslim or Christians. They are dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I liked it when he said that Islam helped shape our nation. Can any of you weenies give an example?

Anonymous said...

I am continually amazed and appalled by the anger and hate of Obama from people in the conservative right. This is the same conservative Christian-Right that continually supported the very man, President Bush, that screwed things up so much that a BLACK MAN could actually get elected as President. Why are you so angry that you chose the wrong path for the last 8 years? You could have turned things around 5 years ago.

They continue to be so angry and hateful of the man that they have completely given up on democratic principals because they prefer Capitalism over Democracy. These angry conservatives and evangelical-Christians that fight, fight, fight for their right to make and keep as much money as they can without regard for the greater good of the citizens of the country do not follow some of the basic teachings of Jesus.

Jesus Christ threw the money-changers out of the temple and swore a life of poverty and a philosophy of forgiveness and of turning the other cheek. He also welcomed and loved the gentiles. He preached a message of inclusiveness knowing that God's message will help all see the light.

No one is asking the rich to hand over their money, but there comes a time, when the nation is in the poor house, that something has to happen.

At what point will the right-wing just consider the fact that if you want and will support a costly war, that you have to pay(tax) for it. If you want a free-market, you will eventually pay the price. If you want to continue to believe the way you want to believe, then you have to accept that others want to believe in their own way as well.

Anonymous said...

Wait a dammed minute!

All of you quoting the God stuff - to which God do you refer? The Muslim God, the Jewish, the Christian, the Hindu ... heck it might be the Apache God. Did you ever think that many believe in God - just not your version?

Anonymous said...

"One nation under God" and "In God we Trust" were added to the pledge/currency respectfully as late as the 1950's. By Eisenhower. Who was raised Jehovah's Witness.

Our nation was founded by a bunch of anti-authoritarian crazies that didn't want to pay taxes, and valued reason over organized faith (which had done quite a lot to keep bad kings in power).

Several important previous presidents (Jefferson, Lincoln) were quite outspoken against religion.

If you want to live in a theocracy, go join Al Qaeda.

RPM said...

It's one nation under God. Not one nation under Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Founded On Freemasonry.

Anonymous said...

9:36 said it best and I think this was what Obama was trying to convey in his speech.

And to me pushy Christians have done more to hurt religious freedom in this country than anything.

We as Christians should take our cues from the lowly Christ, not all these Bible thumping self righteous nuts.

Sheesh!

Anonymous said...

Christians, in general, do not get bashed, just the ones that are obnoxious "in the name of the Lord". They kinda deserve it, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

AMEN 11:46

Finally, someone who learned history from reliable sources instead of Preacher Bubba.

Anonymous said...

Think that coins reads "In God We Trust" not "In Christ we Trust" and there is a difference. Even Satan believes in God.

Let's get a grip, most of our founding Fathers were Diest....they did believe in God and that's all we know about it except for a few writings.

Our Founding Fathers, or the New Testament Christians would not recognize our modern Christianity that's so practiced today that holds "believe what I believe or else, and I will enact laws to make you behave the way I want you to behave."

Obama is a Christian. We have heard his testimoney. Yes, I was disturbed by his former pastor's sermons, but sadly I fear Obama is an example of the new modern Christian........go when its convenient.

I am sure he would like those words back, but even the simple amongst us know what he meant, and only those with an agenda want to read more into it that that.

Anonymous said...

Jarhead....Animal House......cinematic greatness in it's purest form. God bless you son.

Anonymous said...

12:38 - You said a "Mouth Full" and I'm willing to bet money not one person, other than the obvious, reading this blog, will connect with it. They're still in charge and don't believe for a moment it's not true. Get pissed off if you want to people but the truth is, there's a reason to why an inexperienced person is in the White House. And when I say inexperienced I mean him and the people he put into positions. All you have to do is look at the things done thus far. Obama is getting some bad information from the people he hired. As an example, he should surround himself with people who know, you don't bow to the Saudi King, not that there is anything truly wrong with it, it's a sign of respect but the Saudi King should show just as much respect to our President and he doesn't. In other words, Obama should have just walked up, smiled, shook hands (squeezing the Kings hand so hard his Turbin would have fallen off) and given him the George Patton, "don't screw with me you Chicken Sh%t" look. But, he didn't. Then he gives the Prime Minister of England CD's, an IPOD, something. It's just not making sense. The guy's too young, does not have the experience and is a little wet behind the ears. But, there is a reason he's there and it's beyond our votes. Only time will tell. O.K., Good luck people, Wake up America and if you enjoy being told how to live, then he's your guy.

Anonymous said...

"If he means, "We are a nation of people who practice many different faiths, but we are bound together by a common set of ideals and values", is that really wrong?"

Yes

Anonymous said...

all of this fussing makes Taliban very happy

chupacabra said...

To have such a reputation as a great public speaker the President is well, a very weak public speaker.
He's looking at the floor, mumbling and saying uh, uh for Gods sake!
His total lack of confidence in what he is saying is also leading to hand gestures that would be better classified as "strange gesticulations" by any college communiction instructor.
Think we are in good shape because other world leaders seem to like the man?
They are relieved because they know he will be a pushover.

Anonymous said...

Our nation was founded on Christian beliefs more than not willing to pay taxes.Our forefathers who founded this great nation founded it on Christian beleifs...the ten commandments were the bluprint for our first laws.Great Christian men founded this country of ours and turned it into the greatest nation on this planet.So all the leftist,righters and the confused better get a grip on reality.If you cannot see the decline of our society since we removed GOD from our government and our hearts then you are as blind as the president we elected.

Anonymous said...

Wow, how small is your world when you think that "In God we Trust" is only referring to the Christian God?

Don't be ignorant.

Anonymous said...

"all of this fussing makes Taliban very happy"

Wait, so you're saying don't practice our freedoms (speach, religion, etc) because the people that 'hate us for our freedom' like it?

Or is it, "be homogeneous, it's the only way to beat 'them'".

I'm confused by this.

Anonymous said...

I thought our country was founded in 1492 by Coloumbus.

Anonymous said...

8:15 and others, study our real history and not just the pap and pablum that we are often spoon-fed about it. The earlier writer was correct, most of the Founders were Deists. They may have attended Anglican services, but there fundamental beliefs were Age of Enlightenment ideas, including the concept that ours was a universe set in motion by a Divine Creator, but otherwise left to run its own course. They were "secularists", to use the modern lingo.

They were far less concerned with cramming any particular religion or religious idea down anyone else's throat than they were with assuring that nobody else got to cram THEIR religious ideas down the Founders' throats.

The singular idea that bound our diverse Founders together was freedom, not religion; it was what Jefferson's Declaration of Independence termed the "inalienable rights" of man... one - and ONLY one - of which is religious freedom. That is, the right to pursue religious truth, as well as any and all other truth, in an environment free from oppression and coercion and respectful of personal dignity.

The terms "In God We Trust" and one nation "under God" were inserted into the popular vernacular much, much later, and would most certainly have been disapproved by many of the key Founding Fathers, though they were as capable of quibbling among themselves as Americans are today.

Anonymous said...

Obama really can not believe we are bound together by a common bond of ideas and values. He wishes we were all in agreement as it would make getting his agenda through Congress a lot easier. Instead is forcing a left wing ideals and values upon us through Chicago political syle tactics!

All the fuss about inviting him to speak at Notre Dame is a good example of the divide between us on only one issue.

Obama ran a campaign as a centrist only to win to push through his hard left agenda. America is going broke while he spends more than any other administration in the history of the US. Our children have not future and the seniors will not have a retirement or medical. Creating debt that cannot be sustained is not a shared value because it will destroy our country and be the end of our Republic.

Even though he won the election, he does not speak for the minority. We've always been a country that values minority rights. It is our responsiblity to keep speaking out and participating in the process.

Hopefully a lot of people will go protest on April 15th. Check out to see where to go in Fort Worth, Weatherford or Denton.

Anonymous said...

There is only one God. Only one God created the universe not 5,6 or etc. One God! And if that is not the God you believe in then you are bound for an enternity in hell. May God help this Nation and this President. Do you know what will help this Country for America to turn to God the one and only God and stop trying to push him out. Madlynn Marie Ohara ring a bell to any of you?

Anonymous said...

Everyone has a right to their concept of God. Christians who think they are the only ones who have the answers are small-minded and arrogant

hangman said...

remember obama said a vote for him was a vote for change well this is one of those changes. next we find that we are talking over nuclear with iran i have said it more than once obama wrong for the senate and wrong for this nation as our leader. to you lefty who say that what i have just posted is wrong well at least we didnt vote for an illiterate man who cannot read the simple part of the pledge where it states and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god or prehaps he doesent read the money where it says in god we trust. i dont see any big words that would be hard to understand so why is it that george w bush which you lefty's labeled an idiot could understand that we were a christian nation and obama who is the answer to everything according to the lefty's has no clue what this means. i urge all of the god fearing christian who live in this CHRISTIAN NATION to pray for all of us and pray for B.O. that he will be shown the light

Anonymous said...

I'm with you chupa. I can't get past all the "uhs" to understand what he is trying to say.

Anonymous said...

8:50 I hate to write a book but did you miss my point...i think you did
"And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion…Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.." George Washington

"No truth is more evident to any mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people." Noah Webster

"The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments... Without religion, I believe that learning does much mischief to the morals and principles of mankind." Benjamin Rush

"…it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand." John Adams

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." Thomas Jefferson

"The great pillars of all government and social life [are] virtue, morality and religion…If we loose these we are conquered indeed." Patrick Henry

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. " James Madison

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

Now please explain these qoutes in an enlightened manner...I think its you who should do your own research!

8:15

Anonymous said...

From the Mayflower Compact on we have been established as a Christian settlement and Nation. History is not the only academic field of which Obama and others are ignorant. So yes Barry, Obama was wrong in what he said. We should be getting used to his asinine comments by now.

Anonymous said...

To 9:00...

God help you!! You are so naive! You are holding the exact same views as the Muslims!!

And by the way...it was Madalyn Murray O'Hair...not O'hara! Get your facts straight!

wordkyle said...

Holy cow. Look at the hostility toward Christianity. Without claiming to know the minds of the Founding Fathers, I do note this: the First Amendment to the Constitution deals with religion, so it was of some importance to them.

Also, Jefferson described himself as a Christian and there's a solid argument for this site's claim that "The signers [of the Declaration of Independence] were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s."

Note: there were no Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus among the Founding Fathers. The religious tolerance that is part of the American tradition would appear to have been made possible because of the Judeo-Christian influence.

wordkyle said...

After all that, I forgot to mention something. I believe that Obama's statement was true in the sense that we are not a Christian theocracy (and, despite Liberal claims against Bush, have never been in danger of becoming one.) On the other hand, to deny the Judeo-Christian origins and influence on America is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

11:46 is completely correct.

Read your history. The Puritans may have come to North America to be super Christian, but you know what? They didn't organize or found this country. The Founding Fathers themselves were wary of organized religion.

They were all the products of the Enlightenment. Thomas Jefferson put that pesky ol' Article 1 in the Bill of Rights because European monarchs abused citizens by making State Churches.

Politics and religion should NEVER mix and I praise God every day that our Founders were smart enough to realize this.

Anonymous said...

We should recall the the people coming to America were seeking Freedom OF religion not Freedom from it. Most of the early colonies were protestant off shoots that were persecuted by the Church of England. I don't think we had a Islamic colony or even a Jewish one...although some European Jews came to the colonies to seek opportunity.

Anonymous said...

Food for thought:

The Koran that Rep. Keith Ellison (the only Muslim member of Congress) swore his oath on was from Thomas Jefferson's personal library.

I used to work at the Library of Congress- Jefferson's collection has holy texts from every religion and sect from his time. I don't think a religiously intolerant man would own those.

Jefferson was no fundamentalist.

Anonymous said...

One Blog under Barry.

Anonymous said...

The religious bigots pick and choose their quotes. All comprehensive of religions reveals the same basic "principles" of moral life. No one religion has the monopoly on truth. The 10 Commandments were not Christian - they were Jewish. Islam endorses and incorporates most all of the Old Testament and accepts Jesus an important prophet. And most all of the world’s "religions" refer to "God" (using various names). Most the Christian bigots just seem to think they have the only interpretation of who God is.

Truth, morality and compassion are not the sole possession of any religion.

Anonymous said...

Well as a Mason and 32 KCCH in the Scottish Rite and High Priest in the York Rite...and I can ASSURE you Obammy's not a Mason...We dont allow Blacks...

Anonymous said...

10:21


Great Job!

Nuff Said!!

Anonymous said...

To believe that this country was established on any other principals other than Christian beliefs is false.This country has become as great as it is by adhearing to and practicing morality which is GOD based.Separating church and state is one thing but the second we started separating GOD and state was the decline of morale values that held this nation and its leaders intact.I'm not a religous fanatic but I can see where we came from and where we are heading if you cant you must have blinders on.

Anonymous said...

Since the approval by our government of using the human digestive tract for sexual gratification, I cannot say that we are a Christian nation. Since Texas CHRISTIAN University is providing housing for these perverted people to engage in sodomy, I cannot say that we are a CHRISTIAN nation. God and his Son would probably agree with Obama.

I saw a lot of Easter bunnies and Easter eggs at Walmart in preparation for the Roman celebration. No one is celebrating the Passover, as did the original Christians. Christ was the Passover lamb, not an Easter rabbit or Easter chicken God and his Son would probably agree with Obama

Anonymous said...

10:48 - The Founding Fathers were an exceptional and far-sighted group. They were not infallible. However, it was those enlightened individuals that did, indeed, insure that our new country would have freedom of religion – for all religions and for those of no religion. The state would not establish or promote any one religion over others. Yes, indeed, they were prescient and the country survives to this day due to their ability to avoid an imposed state theocracy.

Anonymous said...

10:48
The point most miss is the fact that only one religion was being protected at the time the only one that was practiced at that time in our country was Christianity!And it was set up for freedom of religion so that a theocracy other than our own wouldnt end up running the country!The fact is that our country was founded on Christianity by God fearing men and the only enlightened man i have ever heard of was buddha .He was enlightened by sitting under a fig tree for 40 days and eating figs...now after 40 days of fig consumption any body would be enlightened!

Anonymous said...

10:06 - Freedom of Religion does NOT mean that you are free to choose Christianity only.

That wouldn't really be freedom at all, now would it?

Anonymous said...

Good points 10:06 - but that is never an explanation to a pushy Christian. Most of these types are programmed that way through their church denomination and think if they don't try to convert the whole world, they will go to hell.

Maybe they should.

Anonymous said...

10:48: let me try to dumb it down for you. "God" and "Christianity" are not synonyms. Many faiths worship God, but may call him by other names. Jesus Christ is the foundation of Christianity, and that is FAR different and less tolerant. We aren't saying to remove GOD from the picture. We're only pointing out that there are MANY faiths, not just Christianity, and it is my belief that they all lead to a COMMON GOD. My point is that those who believe only their own faith the "the" faith are the ones who are naive and possibly a bit small-minded.

Xanthippas said...

What we do not need is Religious fundamentalist.

You mean like the kind who insist that we live in a "Christian nation" and get their panties in a wad when anybody tries to say otherwise?

Also, Jefferson described himself as a Christian and there's a solid argument for this site's claim that "The signers [of the Declaration of Independence] were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s."

Somehow I missed the Constitutional provision that requires that we describe ourselves as a "Christian nation" if X number of signatories of the Declaration are Christian.

Anyway I don't really get what the difference is between a "Christian nation" and a nation full of a bunch of Christians, except that saying the latter seems to really piss off right-wing Christians. Christian nation or not, there's certainly too many of those kinds of Christians running around.

wordkyle said...

For those who discuss a "common God" and propose that "all faiths worship the same God," why is it that you single out Christianity for your hostility? I daresay that most Christians are not pushy, intolerant, "programmed," or otherwise unpleasant people. I'll bet that you are making a broad statement based on your experience with a very small sampling of people who say they are Christians.

Now, let's imagine you did the same thing by saying that "all Muslims are terrorists" or "Islam is intolerant of other religions." Sort of bigoted, isn't it? Yet that's the same stance you are taking toward the 2.1 billion Christians on the planet.

Anonymous said...

12:10 let me smarten it up for you.One nation under GOD,GOD being what "we" (we being the the majority along with our forefathers) called him.Our nation is founded under GOD.Now if for some reason you can not conclude the facts based on the truth written before you in black and white feel free to move to some other country or better than that establish your own country outside the US and call GOD anything you wish!And to call GOD common tells me that since you cannot accept the facts as they are tendered leads me to believe that you are as you put it "naive and possibly a bit small-minded".

Anonymous said...

My favorite Founding Father quote:

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches"

-Benjamin Franklin

Anonymous said...

Headline Iranian leader opens nuke power plant eyes talks.

Think you'd have seen that under Bush?

Ahmadinajad would know Israeli bombers would have been all over him with our tactical support like a cheap suit.

Obama Puknt- again

wordkyle said...

Xan - My statement was in response to those who diminish the Founding Fathers' embracement of organized religion, when the facts seem to indicate otherwise. "Constitutional provisions" (other than the First Amendment) were not part of the discussion. I also disagree with those who try to minimize the influence of Judeo-Christian theology on the founding of Ameica and American culture. That seems to be the gist of the anti-Christian comments. (Besides the seemingly-acceptable bigotry toward Christianity.)

Anonymous said...

Come on now, a bow is a bow is a bow. We're not stupid! Why want he just admit it? And he must be disappointed that he didn't get any help on the economic problems, or the troop help, and now he endorses Castro? What's next? A chicken in every pot? No, I think he has already suggested that...............

Anonymous said...

What did Obama say about religion and guns in rural Pennsylvania? Something about clinging to them. I despise that man.

He did bow. How stupid does he think we are? The video of him doing so is all over the internet. He is also sucking up to the Iranian leader who has pledged to wipe Isreal off the map.

Anonymous said...

Wordkyle, maybe you are right that most Christians are not pushy. Most of the ones I know are not.

It does make one wonder, however, why we have so many Protestant church denominations.

Something has happened to the commandment of Christ to "love one another", when we can't even get along with each other.

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

wordy - What you conveniently ignore is the fact that the Founding Fathers did not establish a favored religion. They allowed for any religion. Yes, they based our moral compass on Judeo-Christian principles. But these same principals are part on many religions - Christianity does not have a monopoly on morality.

wordkyle said...

Ignore? "Establishment" was not even the topic. And your comment on morality is another non sequitir.

That tolerance of all religions flourishes in a nation with a Judeo-Christian tradition is significant. As I mentioned earlier, there were no Buddhists, Hindus or Muslims among the Founding Fathers. What is the level of tolerance of other religions in predominantly Muslim countries? Is it your stance that if the Founding Fathers had been predominantly Muslim that the First Amendment would read the same as it does today? Once again, the attempt to minimize the influence of Judeo-Christian theology (not simply "morality") on the fabric of America does not hold up.

Anonymous said...

Our founding fathers did establish that there is ONE GOD! Christ Jesuse our Lord and Savior. Not Buddha,or Ala or however its spelled etc. One God! The one and only who sent his only begotten son to die so that we might be saved through him. And have eternity in heaven with him the one and only trinity.

1:17 well said

12:10 Yeah!
This nation has declined so far from where we started and if you notice its from our lack of putting God in the aquasion. What happen after 9-11 everyone started praying and looking to God the one and only God who can help us. So I challenge all of you who think its ok to bash christians get on your knees and ask God to help you understand our point of view. One day every knee will bow so get in the habit of doing it now if you don't already.

M-M said...

11:42 am You are saying 'one god' and said that god is Jesus Christ, yet you said he sent his only begotten son. Isn't the only begotten son Jesus Christ? So, how can Jesus be the only true god and be the only begotten of that god?
Just wondering.
This god thing in christianity is confusing. They claim in the trinity doctrine that jesus is god and god is only a spirit. Yet, here at easter time they celebrate his physical resurrection and he appeared to many as a physical being following his resurrection. Doesn't make sense to me. Can you help me make sense of this?

Anonymous said...

I will try 1:14 you see the trinity is God the father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. See Jesus was God in the flesh. I hope this helps. We celebrate Easter because of the ressurection of our Lord and Savior you God the Son had to come and die for a sacrifice for our sins so their would be no more killing of lambs he was the lamb that shed his blood for us. I would like to suggest that you find a Bible teaching,preaching church if are from wise county there are a few around here.

M-M said...

So, we're talking three separate gods? Is god a spirit?

Anonymous said...

Think of it this way think of an egg you have the shell the egg white and then the yolk is an egg three different parts yes but it is all together in one. Does that help? There is only one God but he is a trinity.

M-M said...

Actually, no it doesn't help. I've heard that analogy before and it doesn't work. Do you really think finding something like this in nature suddenly makes sense of the trinity? A tree has branches, leaves, bark, cambium, heartwood and sapwood: so does that mean god has that many parts to him? An atom has protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, gluons, mesons: so does that mean god has that many parts? The examples can go on and on.
Look at the scripture. When Jesus was being baptized he was standing in the water, God spoke from up above and the Holy Ghost descended as a dove. Sounds like three separate beings. Who did Jesus pray to? From the trinity it sounds like he prayed to himself. In gethsemane he prayed "not my will, but thine be done", two different "will's" from two different beings. Quit relying on childish analogies to explain a false doctrine that is not scriptural.

Anonymous said...

Genesis 1:26 God said ,Let us make man in our image after our likeness:
Who is us and our it is the trinity. God was Jesus in the flesh its hard to understand but not all things are meant to understand that is where faith comes in. I dont rely on analogies has you put it I READ! my Bible.Thank you. Also God said the he was the word and word was made flesh. Who was made flesh God as Jesus read your Bible its all in the scriptures.

M-M said...

Thank you for making my point. 'us' and 'our' are plural terms thus denoting more than one. You are very confused, you say, "God was Jesus in the flesh..", then answer my previous question. To whom did jesus pray to? Using your definition, he prayed to himself. Come on, you have admit that makes no sense. It is obvious there are two separate and distinct beings. Jesus was praying to God. He said in the Gospel of John over 30 times that God his Father had 'sent' him. When one person sends another person to do something, it has to involve two separate beings. When I read and study the scriptures, they prove that God and Jesus are two separate beings and that the trinity doctrine is manmade and not supported at all by scripture.

Anonymous said...

Well you have the right to your opinion as do I mine. The most important thing is Are you saved?Where will you spend eternity? That is very clear in Bible. I can't prove that their is a trinity I just have faith and one day we will all see. And I bet that day is not to far away.

M-M said...

It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of what the Bible teaches. The Bible doesn't teach the trinity doctrine, thus the trinity doctrine is not true. What do you mean by "are you saved?". And what does the Bible mean by being saved? Again you are wrong, it is not clear in the Bible.

Anonymous said...

The Bible is very clear about being saved. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead,thou shalt be saved.
Romans 5:10 For if,when we were enemies,we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,much more ,being reconciled we shall be saved by his life.Read verse 11 too. How must I be saved You must be born again.SAVED
For me its a faith thing and Im sorry if you have no faith. For faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom10:17
Im not sure what your belief is but my prayer is that you relize you need salvation. God has a way of illuminating his word if you read it and pray so I pray you do. And yes it is an opinion and I have a right to it there are scriptures to me that back up the trinity. Your intitled to yours too. 1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, (Jesus)justified in the Spirit,(Holy that is)seen of angels,preached unto the Gentiles (how did God preach? He was Jesus in the flesh) believed on in the world recieved up in glory. Who rose again? (Jesus) Here is just one of many verses that prove the trinity.