11.08.2005

It's Gay Marriage D-Day In Texas

So by how large of a percentage will Proposition Two pass? I predict, in all seriousness, 72%.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Actually the way it is written it seems to outlaw all marriages. As you are an attorney, at what age does a boy become a man or a girl a woman? It doesn't say male and female.

Condoleesa said...

I don't think it will be that high but maybe. I will pick 54%

comment4U said...

I'll be wildly "liberal" on my estimations......I'll say 87% FOR Prop 2 and 13% Against.

Anonymous said...

The important thing is that this is not some stupid wasted effort on the part of those who put this perfect amendment out there for the voters to decide. Without this amendment the extremely liberal Supreme Court of Texas might declare the current State Statute which bans gay marriage, unconstitutional..... and then we got trouble, and I mean trouble.... with a capital Q which that rhymes with queer....and....and... and all hell would break loose brothers and sisters. Why all of those...those.... Gay Baptists & Church of Christ and Log Cabin Republicans would be getting married in God's Holy Sanctuaries or worse than that in the holy JP office. This all may happen if you don't vote amen on this perfect amendment to the Texas Constitution!
Hallelujah....amen....pass another needless amendment again!
Brother Billy Clyde

Anonymous said...

I think there should also be an amendment to the State Constitution that bans sodomy and perhaps murder!

Anonymous said...

so if it passes, that means it will continue to be illegal in texas, correct?

Anonymous said...

It depends who goes to vote. If the 30 and under crowd went to vote, it would fail! Younger people are more tolerant about gay marriage. In time the law will change.

Why are we wasting tax payers money on an amendment when we have a law saying gays can't get married in Texas?

Atticus said...

It is so that the political leaders of our State can make a political statement! There is no other purpose for this amendment, given the conservative climate of Texas. It is just a political statement that is being made as was the point I think of Brother Billy Clyde. States have the power to determine whether or not any marriage is recognized. There is no Federal or constitutional right to be married. There is no State right to be married in the absence of a State law permitting it.

m&m said...

I don't mind the redundancy. So what! I've heard "it's a rights issue" and the opinion piece Barry linked us to said,"the government would not be treating it's citizens with equal respect and that it targets one group and doesn't apply to the entire community". That's a stupid analysis.

Defining marriage is not a homo/hetero issue. It is a male/female issue. It says a male cannot marry a male, female cannot marry a female, but says male can marry a female and vice versa.

No ones rights are violated. A homo has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex just as much as a hetero does.

No one group is targeted. It is just as illegal for a hetero to marry someone of the same sex as it is for a homo.

The definition of marriage as it stands, applies equally to the entire community.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with anon 12:54,2:09 and atticus. All they have done is political grandstanding. If you have failed your constitutes in every possible way, throw something like this out and you will be okay. Every preacher and christian conservative will jump for joy and you will be re-elected because everyone of them likes to take a big stand on something as ridiculous as this. Because in Texas this is far more important than the education of your children! I wish it would fail.

comment4U said...

"constitutes"=constituents?

fluff said...

I have to agree with 12:54, 2:09, and Atticus. Do any of you heterosexual married couples out there seriously feel threatened by a gay/lesbian couple exchanging matrimonial vows? Are you going to wake up one morning and suddenly declare "My God, my marriage is on the rocks! It's because of the gays." It isn't about the sanctity of marriage.......it's about the re-election of Rick Perry and the other politicians of his ilk. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Anonymous said...

On it goes - so many folks seem so threatened by people of the same sex loving each other enough to want to live together in commitment - with the same rights and responsibilities as the rest of the citizens (this amounts to discrimination). I don't feel threatened and I choose not to discriminate against those committed same sex people. Christians easily forget the "love your neighbor" and "do unto" phrases of their own creed.

m&m said...

My opinion on this, from a Christian view (and not claiming to represent all Christians), is that God has defined marriage repeatedly in scripture. That it is only between a male and female. So, you are asking Christians to change God's definition of marriage, when only He can do that. And I don't think He will do that, based on the fact that He condemns homosexual relations as being sinful.

And it's not a matter of a hetero marriage being threatened. I don't know where that even comes from. It's a matter of what's right and wrong. God condemns homosexual relations, so why would He turn around and sanction those relations by allowing them to marry.

And once again, it's not a matter of discrimination or rights. Under the law, everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. There's no discrimination there.

And it's illegal for everyone to marry someone of the same sex. No discrimination there.

Anonymous said...

This to m&m
A ceremony in which a couple marry in the "eyes of the law" is called a civil marriage, i.e. it a civil matter not a religious one. Therefore, God and Christianity are removed from the equation. Your God's definition of marriage is no longer relevant. Sorta undermines much of your justification for your point of view. Or if you still prefer to believe marriage is off limits to homosexuals because God condemns homosexuality then I guess thieves, adulterers, liars, and others who choose lifestyles that God condemns shouldn't be allowed to marry. Widen your horizon a little.

Anonymous said...

anon 114
hey i hate to tell yo this if you dont like the amendment then you should call your elected officals and stop bugging the nice people on this blog site !!

m&m said...

First of all, I hope you recognize the Judeo-Christian influence in our society to even have a ceremony & rite such as marriage, civil or otherwise.

Second, whether marriage is performed civilly by a judge, JP or performed in a church, to the Christian, it is the same and you cannot remove God or Christianity. God is the one who instituted marriage in the first place.

The reason I wanted to write my opinion from a Christian perspective, is because Christians get criticized & mocked heavily on this blog and particularly on this post. And so, no, it does not undermine my point of view.

Third, I did not say God doesn't allow same sex marriage because he condemns homosexuality. My point was that God would not redefine marriage and allow same sex marriage and continue to condemn homosexuality as a sin. You twisted what I said and drew a wrong conclusion, thus the rest of your comment about liars, thieves and adulterers is nullified. By the way, an adulterer has to be married to be an adulterer.

fluff said...

whoa! I just dropped in here to see if anyone had posted something since my last comment. Seems as if a couple bloggers have different viewpoints and anon at 3:47pm has appointed themselves as the blog sheriff.

Anonymous said...

m&m and others, Believe it or not, other cultures have had marriage relationships long before Christianity ever appeared. Also there are many other groups, cultures, and belief systems within this country besides Christianity. Christianity is not required to be a citizen in this country. Do you propose that all our laws be approved by Christianity? By the way, what version of Christianity is the "correct" one? You seem to propose a theocracy similar to Iran or Saudi Arabia. I'm afraid we just don't come close to agreement on this one.

Anonymous said...

Who cares if they get married?!?!?! Homosexuals live together and live like married couples, why do we care if they have a piece of paper to go with that!
In this great State of Texas it is legal for homosexuals to be foster parents, is it really going to affect YOU if they get married?

Anonymous said...

i am prejudice against gay people....no matter what color....it is a gross repulsive act.....and it is against the Bible........

i admitted it!