I am surprised that they are listing it on their website. Every prayer walk I have ever seen was solely planned by churches and the students. Teachers and Admin could not have anything to do with it.
As long as the prayer gathering is STUDENT led and not led/organized by a teacher or paid employee of the school, then it is not considered to be school sanctioned. Citizens DO have the right to pray anytime/anywhere they please!
Assuming that you are addressing this comment to all those who are alive at this moment and can read your statement then, technically, you are correct. It is safe to assume that no person reading your comment is even close to 6,000 years old. If, however, you mean to say that God was here before mankind then you are very mistaken. There had to be a person who was alive to come up with the concept of the Big G. A concept is all that he/she/it is and you cannot prove otherwise.
I continue to be amazed at what a narrow view people take on the separation of church and state – it’s not there to protect you when the leaders of your city or church are of the same religion as you – but if you are a Baptist in Utah how would feel if you kids had to recite a Mormon prayer every morning? Sometimes protecting the minority means inconveniencing the majority.
You comment was truly a stupid thing to say. Following your "logic", you cannot prove God is a concept. Neither can you prove God is only 6K years old. What you have proven is your inability to think through your own existential problems. I don't care if you're an atheist, pal, but if you're going to bang that drum please come up with something a little more concrete.
With all do respect, this is Rann ELEMENTARY - the only things most of these K-5th graders are doing are putting their crayolas and sports balls in order.
Oh and by the way - this has been taken off the website so someone with "higher power" felt it didn't need to be there either.
Yes, pray for the students, teachers, and admin to have a successful year (I did this morning in my car in the drop-off line). But walk around with enough alertness and care to your surroundings to know when one of those students needs alot more than just a prayer due to a crappy home life they have no control over.
Sitting in the pew, paying your tithing, pounding your Bible, patting yourself on the back on Sundays, and yelling for "more prayer in schools" doesn't fix those needy kiddos - only action does - and there is a difference.
I truly admire people who have such a strong core belief system, really. But being a man of science, I tend to look at things logically. The Bible is nothing more than a book of stories that was passed on by word of mouth centuries before anyone actually wrote it. It's illogical and irresponsible for us to take every word as absolute fact.
O.K. Maybe I was too generous when I called the high holy one a "concept." Perhaps I should have used "the figment of a prehistoric supersticious imagination." It doesn't matter when someone came up with the idea of a divine being--it only matters that the person who did already existed when he or she created god. I have made the existential realization that I don't need the scientific equivalent of Grimm's Fairy Tales to explain to me where I came from or to justify my place here on earth.
Hey now, those who claim the Christian god was here first - just ask a native American. They were here well before any invaders from Europe. Now then the Mormons, and by extension, Romney, believe Christ wandered around New York state a few years ago (and you support this guy?). Religion is just so much hocus pocus. As for pray walking at DISD - I think it's OK as long as it is non-denomination and not a specific religion. Otherwise, just check out the Taliban who have a narrow lock on religion in their area. Do you approve their approach?
It is really sad that this is even an issue. Taking God out of America is happening all around us-- from prayer in public, to gay marriage, to abortions being legal. Remember people, this country was founded by men of faith. God will judge again, so I'm gonna make sure my freedom of speech is put to good use for Him. I will be at Rann praying as well as the other schools on Friday morning, and I know God will be smiling. His blessings will be given to those who believe. I am praying for the lost souls who posted this to the blog, u should really give God a chance to move you;) it's time for a movement, why not start in Wise County.
I think it's great that they posted this!! It is a parent group putting this together, and it's a powerful thing!! Very thankful my kids have more prayers coming at them than just mine;) God is so good;)
I love it people think our founding fathers were such godly men. Slave owners, whore mongers, crooked business men and who knows what else. They were mormal dudes with some good ideas on how to be not like England. The great Ben Franklin was more scared of religous rule than STD's
"we can teach 5th graders how to use a condom and all about "safe" sex ..."
You just made that up. I have had two 5ht graders and all they got was the puberty talk - about your period and hop to put a pad on - not how to put on a condom.
Your argument would be better if you didn't just make crap up. Then there is also that "do not bear false witness" business.
Go ahead and pray to God for whatever makes you feel better. Just recognize that some others have a "different" god or gods or none at all. Those people have rights and beliefs too.
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That's awesome! God bless DISD!
I am surprised that they are listing it on their website. Every prayer walk I have ever seen was solely planned by churches and the students. Teachers and Admin could not have anything to do with it.
As long as the prayer gathering is STUDENT led and not led/organized by a teacher or paid employee of the school, then it is not considered to be school sanctioned. Citizens DO have the right to pray anytime/anywhere they please!
Liberals! If you don't like God in our schools, move to another freaking country. God was here before you were. Dang! I get so tired of Libs.
So we can teach 5th graders how to use a condom and all about "safe" sex but we can't introduce a voluntary self improvement program.
how much you wanna bet they have been doing this/something similar for more years than any of you can remember?
So this is probably just pot stirring for stirring sake.
I would rather they allow students to stop and pray 5 times a day, with their prayer mats and facing towards Meccah. D.F. Obammy
Praying for these schools, the students, and their teachers! I'm encouraged by their actions!!
"God was here before you were."
Assuming that you are addressing this comment to all those who are alive at this moment and can read your statement then, technically, you are correct. It is safe to assume that no person reading your comment is even close to 6,000 years old. If, however, you mean to say that God was here before mankind then you are very mistaken. There had to be a person who was alive to come up with the concept of the Big G. A concept is all that he/she/it is and you cannot prove otherwise.
I continue to be amazed at what a narrow view people take on the separation of church and state – it’s not there to protect you when the leaders of your city or church are of the same religion as you – but if you are a Baptist in Utah how would feel if you kids had to recite a Mormon prayer every morning? Sometimes protecting the minority means inconveniencing the majority.
10:29- what does sex ed have to do with prayer in schools?
I am glad they do this, we need as much prayer as we can get, even better when it is organized by students and/or peers.
I agree, 12:56.
they pulled the notice off of the web site.
The same people wanting prayer in public schools would be freaking out if it was any religion other than Christianity.
12:38 --
You comment was truly a stupid thing to say. Following your "logic", you cannot prove God is a concept. Neither can you prove God is only 6K years old. What you have proven is your inability to think through your own existential problems. I don't care if you're an atheist, pal, but if you're going to bang that drum please come up with something a little more concrete.
With all do respect, this is Rann ELEMENTARY - the only things most of these K-5th graders are doing are putting their crayolas and sports balls in order.
Oh and by the way - this has been taken off the website so someone with "higher power" felt it didn't need to be there either.
Yes, pray for the students, teachers, and admin to have a successful year (I did this morning in my car in the drop-off line). But walk around with enough alertness and care to your surroundings to know when one of those students needs alot more than just a prayer due to a crappy home life they have no control over.
Sitting in the pew, paying your tithing, pounding your Bible, patting yourself on the back on Sundays, and yelling for "more prayer in schools" doesn't fix those needy kiddos - only action does - and there is a difference.
Walk to honor the planet Kolob (where mormons think God lives)or at least teach our kids that theological concept.
RTGirl; Thank God for space-age fabrics.
RC
The implication is that it is OK to teach immoral material to elementary kids, but wholesome prayer is forbidden.
Spelled out enough for you. Nuance is lost on this crowd.
I truly admire people who have such a strong core belief system, really. But being a man of science, I tend to look at things logically. The Bible is nothing more than a book of stories that was passed on by word of mouth centuries before anyone actually wrote it. It's illogical and irresponsible for us to take every word as absolute fact.
Plus, I remember playing "telephone" as a kid...
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O.K. Maybe I was too generous when I called the high holy one a "concept." Perhaps I should have used "the figment of a prehistoric supersticious imagination." It doesn't matter when someone came up with the idea of a divine being--it only matters that the person who did already existed when he or she created god. I have made the existential realization that I don't need the scientific equivalent of Grimm's Fairy Tales to explain to me where I came from or to justify my place here on earth.
2:43- What makes sex immoral? Educating the children about precaution and prevention in a world full of disease? Why is that immoral?
I got your nuance, the problem is, it is and a terrible example of one.
I will never understand why some folks think a VOLUNTARY activity of any kind is harmful to them, or their rights.
Hey now, those who claim the Christian god was here first - just ask a native American. They were here well before any invaders from Europe. Now then the Mormons, and by extension, Romney, believe Christ wandered around New York state a few years ago (and you support this guy?). Religion is just so much hocus pocus.
As for pray walking at DISD - I think it's OK as long as it is non-denomination and not a specific religion. Otherwise, just check out the Taliban who have a narrow lock on religion in their area. Do you approve their approach?
Although I don't believe in God, I think it's fine.....you know those fat kids really need the exercise.
It is really sad that this is even an issue. Taking God out of America is happening all around us-- from prayer in public, to gay marriage, to abortions being legal. Remember people, this country was founded by men of faith. God will judge again, so I'm gonna make sure my freedom of speech is put to good use for Him. I will be at Rann praying as well as the other schools on Friday morning, and I know God will be smiling. His blessings will be given to those who believe. I am praying for the lost souls who posted this to the blog, u should really give God a chance to move you;) it's time for a movement, why not start in Wise County.
I think it's great that they posted this!! It is a parent group putting this together, and it's a powerful thing!! Very thankful my kids have more prayers coming at them than just mine;) God is so good;)
What 12:56 said..good
I, too, am thankful for a prayer walk - thank you all who pray for our schools.
I love it people think our founding fathers were such godly men. Slave owners, whore mongers, crooked business men and who knows what else. They were mormal dudes with some good ideas on how to be not like England. The great Ben Franklin was more scared of religous rule than STD's
An no atheists in Decatur!
Read it and weep!
"we can teach 5th graders how to use a condom and all about "safe" sex ..."
You just made that up. I have had two 5ht graders and all they got was the puberty talk - about your period and hop to put a pad on - not how to put on a condom.
Your argument would be better if you didn't just make crap up. Then there is also that "do not bear false witness" business.
Go ahead and pray to God for whatever makes you feel better. Just recognize that some others have a "different" god or gods or none at all. Those people have rights and beliefs too.
There are no atheists in hell...just saying. God Bless!
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