I'm not smart enough to know what this means but I fear it isn't good news for poor people who are sick.
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7.09.2012
Gov. Perry Turns Back On $$$$
I'm not smart enough to know what this means but I fear it isn't good news for poor people who are sick.
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Shocking, isn't it.
America isn't used to people making the right decision. We are used to getting everything we want...right now.
Sad how making the right decision isn't always popular.
I think it means in Texas, you are responsible for your own well being. If you "truly" cannot afford it, you will qualify for Medicaid. It's a matter of priorities whether you can afford it or not. If you make $40k/year, drive a new(er) car and have a smart phone, you probably cannot afford your health care.
you mean everything is NOT free?
dang !
df: poor ignorant SOB
The expansion would cover people who make up to 233% of poverty rate.
The feds would cover 100% of the additional folks costs for one year and after that 90%.
Clearly, this had to be crushed!
We'd rather take care of these folks at 20x the cost in emergency rooms...
screw you, we're from Texas
DF Ray Wiley Hubbard
Texas is the State with the highest percentage of its population uninsured. Perry just locked down that victory for the foreseeable future. I suppose there's not much difference in "last" and "last by a mile".
For all of you whose taxes are used to pay for hospitals or emergency care for the poor (uh, that's all of us), your taxes just went up thanks to Perry.
Perhaps this will be a good step toward booting that *rick from office.
Governor Perry: Chairman of the Texas Death Panel.
DF The Grim Reaper
Uninsured leader and behind Mississippi on education....yea Perry!
10:47 & 10:58
Our taxes would go up whether Perry supported or not. Just decide which taxes you want to go up, federal taxes or state taxes. My guess is that Federal taxes would go up more because we also have to cover the other 49 states as well. Until we get the government completely out of health care, costs will always go up. The only health care costs that have declined over the years are those that are not covered by insurance (plastic surgery for example). Get a clue people.
I'm a Republican and I have to say that the worst thing that has happened to Texas is Rick Perry.
how many people are dropping dead from lack of insurance. unisured doesnt=untreated. thank you rick
the less of washington in texas the better.
I like knowing that Texans will pay twice for this decision: First, when we pay our federal taxes and some of that money goes for health care of folks in other states whose governors aren't as crazy as Perry, and second, when we pay state and local taxes to subsidize our county hospitals where indigent, non-Medicaid folks will go for care, more and more often.
Gubb'ner, you're a friggin' economic genius.
YEAH!!!!! GO GOVERNOR PERRY!
Like he said, EVERYONE has access to insurance and healthcare.
If you are poor it's by your own choice. We could all be poor if we wanted to.
He'll take stimulus funds to pretend he balanced the budget, but he won't take Medicaid money at no cost to the state. Also, what's the point in not implementing the exchange? That just means the federal government will come in and do it instead. Is that really preferable for the states' rights crowd?
Sorry, this is posturing. That is all. Since it will be under the "general Welfare" clause all Perry did was make it public.
In the end Texas will have to support the insurance. The only thing different? It will probably under another name or through another funding program.
Every time Perry has refused gov't funding for any kind of healthcare, it was either deemed unconstitutional or he made it look like he won. But then got the funding channeled through another program.
"If you are poor it's by your own choice. We could all be poor if we wanted to."
The idea that people choose to be poor makes less than sense than the idea people choose to be gay.
I had a cousin that would not work full time at a fried chicken restaurant because she didn't want to loose her government benefits. These white trash people do not want health insurance because they will have to pay premiums. Our government has made it to where people want to live off the country.
I once heard.... if a government is big enough to give you everything you want, its big enough to take everything you have.
Texas should secede from the USA. And the USA should start another civil war to bring the government down.
The original colonies took their independence from big government now the 50 states need to do it again.
Supposedly there will be a federal exchange also. Maybe Ricky wanted to force Texans into the Federal pool. Not that I he's all that brilliant a strategist...buuuutttt, people are rarely as dumb or as smart as they look at first glance.
Rick Perry is the only thing standing between Texas and socilism, folks. We need to fall to our knees and thank the Lord that we have such an upstanding white man in office. I was saying a prayer the other day and I asked Jesus if he'd make sure that Rick stands up to Hussein Obama. Hallelujah, prayers are answered! We serve a mighty God, one who will not allow the tentacles of the morally corrupt federal government to go around and pay for the health care of poor people. Jesus would not have wanted socilism. He'd tell all those slackers to accept him into their hearts, that his love was the only health care they need!
The men in the white coats with the big butterfly net need to find 12:09 before he/she pokes his/her eye out running around the Looney Bin with a sharp crayon.
12:14,
I guess that was supposed to be funny in a back-handed, blasphemous sort of way. However, you did get some things right. The government, whether federal or state, is morally corrupt. You're right, Jesus would not have wanted state socialism -- individual freedom is required so that the faithful are not coerced into choosing salvation -- unlike individually-mandated healthcare. And lastly, we do serve a mighty God. Yes, even more powerful than Rick Perry or Barack Obama.
All right, break's over, everybody back to work.
12:24 should go to Canada and see how well their socialist healthcare works.
All of you weenies, just wait until you get the bill for Obammydoesn'tcare.
"Expanding" Medicaid wouldn't improve poor people's health care as much as Democrats want people to think. Two-thirds of doctors are refusing to accept new Medicaid patients because reimbursements don't cover their costs.
"If you are poor it's by your own choice. We could all be poor if we wanted to." I wouldn't have phrased it that way, however the gist is correct. Most poor people are not poor by choice, but they are poor because of the choices they make.
We already pay those taxes, Perry just said he didn't want any of our Texas tax dollars spent here in Texas on Texans, while employing Texans.
Same ol' same ol'.
Rage
12:09, 12:14 and Wordkyle,
RIGHT ON!!!! I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who said they wouldn't take ANY job because they get more on bennies from welfare! I grew up in a very poor family, but I made a CHOICE not to live my adult life in that manner and I DID SOMETHING about it. Went to school, started out with a low paying job and worked my way up to a much higher paying job with an awesome retirement and health care package. If I can do it, ANYONE can. All it takes is the effort to get off your ass and DO IT!!
12:53
It’s worth pointing out that it is the State that determines the Medicaid payment schedule to doctors. Last I looked the Republicans were in control of both the House and Senate. The republican governor appoints the director of Department of Health Services. I don’t think you can put the fact that doctors are bailing out on Medicaid in Texas on the backs of Democrats.
Poverty is not always a choice. There is certainly an element of luck involved as well.
POVERTY IS A CHOICE. IN AMERICA POVERTY IS A CHOICE.
1:34 LOL yeah. It's luck that I get up off my butt daily and go to work.
That's luck alright. Quit being so gullible, 1:34.
Gov Perry needs a math lesson as do many of those who comment here. Until we are willng to let the children of the poor die in the streets we will pay for their healthcare. Period. So you good Christian Texans will choose to treat all of them in the ER? Let's let the poor, ignorant and lazy die or let's give them preventative care. What we do now is half-assed and the most costly way you can do it.
I am also tired of hearing all of you bitch about socialism. You obviously failed high school government (or more likely took it in a Texas school). Public roads are socialist. Farm programs are socialist. Schools are socialist. A state controlled military is socialist. Law enforcement is socialist. Almost everything has an element of socialism. But let's keep those simplistic labels because it's a he'll of a lot easier than thinking about effective solutions to problems.
Right on Rick! Screw Obama and Obamacare! Wake up America!
1:49 You are wrong.
Yes, there instances when people are lazy, we've all seen it. But, if you haven't seen instances in which people are poor for other reasons, you need to look around a little more.
If you'll stop patting yourself on the back, you can run the numbers on a single parent trying to support a couple of children on minimum wage. BTW, don't assume family support or child support, for this example Dad died (no "luck" involved).
Did someone forget that the Federal Government is BROKE? They don't have the ability to do anything except borrow money and give it away.. Somde day, some way, it will have to be repaid..
"should go to Canada and see how well their socialist healthcare works."
Pretty well, according to most Canadians.
We all know that if there's one thing that Jesus couldn't stand it was poor people, and he never healed anyone with a pre-existing condition.
If you are poor it's by your own choice. - 11:50
That has to be one of the Top 5 stupidest comments ever on Liberally Lean.
1:51 pm
Your second paragraph was one of the most well spoken truths I have ever read! I have had superintendents I have worked with rall on socialism when they don;t even realize their jobs and schools are socialism, and much needed by the way.
Adam @ 2:42 -
That was good...... And very funny.
Good job, Rick. You have taken my training to heart.
DF Professor Harold Hill
River City, Iowa
Preach on, Brother 1:51!
It is far easier (and far cheaper) to prevent disease than to treat it.
And watching white, middle-class, mostly-retired Republicans bitch about "all this socialism" would be funny if it weren't so twisted. "You lazy po' folk and darker-skinned people are on your own; just don't touch my Medicare, Social Security, farming subsidies, rural electricity, clean water, trash pickup, paved streets, safe food, FDIC-insured bank accounts, police, firemen, judicial system and free schools while I sleep under the blanket of freedom provided by the U.S. military."
Heaven forbid we become socialists!
Wish Perry would just go away, would not wish him on any country, just go away.
@3:55 when we become socialists you won't have the freedom say idiotic things. You better enjoy it while you can.
3:55 At least Republicans get off their lazy butts and work for what they have.
Democrats and Liberal expect everything to be handed to them on another taxpayers back.
1:51 Hello clueless.
Get with the program dummy.
This is about people on government assistance.
What's even funnier is when Liberal, mostly Democrat critics mischaracterize the Republican/Conservative position on the government providing any services whatsoever. The phrase limited government, which is what most people believe in, connotes that the government will provide some few and restricted services.
GOD BLESS RICK AND TEXAS
Wordy, would you please enumerate the services you think a "limited" government should provide. Does it include involvement in Air traffic? National/state military? NASA, Social Security, Medicare? Medicaid? Disease control? Education? Police? Fire? National/state parks? Highways? Bridges? Food purity? Employee safety? Justice? Medical safety? And many others.
C'mon, Wordy, which of these areas do you think private enterprise should take over? I know you're not stupid so I know you'll have an enlightening answer.
"It’s worth pointing out that it is the State that determines the Medicaid payment schedule to doctors."
This will change when the feds pick up 90% of the bill. Look at what they've done to Medicare. It's almost impossible to find a doctor who will take new Medicare patients, especially if they have no supplemental insurance.
Obama went about this all wrong. He should have shored up Medicare and then started with subsidized preventive care for children, and then added on.
Rick Perry is an idiot. He makes me embarrassed to be Republican.
Do you right-wingers go to meetings where they brainwash you into thinking that NO Democrat works or contributes to society? Seriously? Not one single person who happens to disagree with your narrow political opinion has nothing to add to our nation and merely wants the government to hand him everything? Really? Where do all these sweeping, crazy comments come from? Do y'all get a newsletter or a daily email or a Twitter feed or something with your marching orders and talking points?
That's one thing I will hand to the Republicans: They've brought political discussions down to the level of a spoiled, bratty kindergartener.
I realize that the term "socialist" conjures many horrific emotions is some. But please acknowledge that socialism and freedom are not mutually exclusive. Most developing and quite mature economies of Europe are classified as socialist and are quite free and have much higher educational, medical and economic standing than the USA. Before condemning an economic system, it might be worth researching the facts. Hey now, the most economically advanced countries in the world are monarchal dynasties (in the mid-East) that have severely limited "freedom". Should that be our model?
4:40 - care to tell us what you make and how many taxes you pay.
You are a typical Republican - rich and out of touch......
......I would imagine.
"The phrase limited government, which is what most people believe in, connotes that the government will provide some few and restricted services."
And they are selected completely arbitrarily. Medicare is ok (because most of tea partiers are on it), but far less socialist "ObamaCare" is not, etc.
Okay, so as I try to navigate the medicaid system for my terminally ill and incredibly poor father-in-law, I now not only have to be concerned with whether or not I can find two people in the system to give me the same answer regarding getting his medicaid here from MO, but I now also have to worry about whether he will even be able to get the medicaid at all? Am I understanding that correctly? Do I just need to send him back home to die alone because Texas doesn't give a shit about the poor?
Medicaid reimbursements are so low it is not worth the medical provider's time to file for it! Under Obamacare expansion 1 out of 3 will qualify for Medicaid. The next step will force doctors to accept medicaid patients. When I go to the clinic a large number of Medicaid patients are in the waiting room talking on their cell phones and when they leave they get in a truck better than mine! And they say they don't have $2.00 co-pay! We need health care reform but more on Medicaid is not the answer.
It is just too tempting to judge everybody else's situation by our own. WRONG!.......If things are going well with me healthwise, familywise and financially, I CANNOT ASSUME they are that way with EVERYBODY.
That is just common sense.
Rick Perry is out of touch. Any governor who would pay ten thousand dollars a month for rent is just wasting tax payer money.
He has lots of money, is in good health and supposedly on "top of the world" - which many Republicans are...
Until it happens to them........no money, bad health, etc.......
...and so it goes with life.
The only thing Perry has going for him is he is pretty. Other than that he is a meaty bag of stupidity.
Rick is worse than Obama.
Good point 2:30, our country is not only broke, but trillions in debt. Why are we fussing over giving away money, when we have none. Around my house, it is easy to decide how to spend money we don't have. It's purdy simple, we don't have it, we can't spend it. Learn from that Fed gov.
Regressive's have all the right answers. They have it all figured out and know everything. From the lazy bastards that choose to be poor and work hard every day, to the welfare Kings and Queens and free riders of healthcare by the sick and injured. Go Regressive Party! Make the United States great! The Nation is proud of you. Of course, if everyone had one of those $200,000.00 dollar a year jobs, everyone would be rich. Who would do the yardwork? illegals? Oh, they do it now.......if you are rich enough to pay for yardwork.
You'd like an insurrection wouldn't you?
6:08 If your father-in-law is on Medicare, why not help him purchase a supplemental to cover the expenses of his terminal illness. Also, the prescription drug plan can be added to cover his drugs. Sometimes family needs to step in to help during this time if they can afford it and really care about quality care.
"Medicare is ok (because most of tea partiers are on it)..." Source for this claim?
519 - You miss (or ignore) the point of my statement. The argument that has been made is along the lines of "Republicans are hypocrites because they want (fill in government service) but they don't want Obamacare." That's a silly argument. It's sensible to want some government, but not too much of it. I enjoy a drink of water occasionally, but I'm not interested in drowning in the ocean.
adam: I don't know what Tea Partiers are on, but there actually IS a substantive difference between Medicare and Medicaid.
Folks are only qualified for Medicare if they have paid into the system. It comes with SSDI (based on amount paid into the system) and Social security Retirement.
Medicaid really is a welfare program.
That doesn't change the fact that I think folks ought to be covered by some sort of insurance, but it DOES change the nature of the support for the program, and to an extent it's a logical difference.
wordkyle, why is the "limited" government you want necessarily more reasonable than the bigger government someone else wants? You just assume it is. I don't want to "limited" or "big" government for the sake of having limited or big government. I want whatever government services are useful to society, big or small. And that should be based on empirical data, not a philosophical point of view.
Katy, that's not actually how Medicare works. We all pay taxes to subsidize current recipients. We don't pay into the system and then get back what we paid like a savings account.
No, Adam, that IS how the system works.
It is.
Eligibility is based on whether you've paid enough into the system.
This is not the same thing as whether you will get more out than you pay into that system.
Let me give you an example. If I became disabled by Social Security standards today, I would either be eligible for SSI and Medicaid or else I would be eligible for SSDI and medicare.
The decision about which I get is based on whether I have paid enough into the system. SSI/Medicaid is welfare. SSDI /Medicare is not.
Now, I could and probably WILL get more out of the system than i paid in under either program, and that appears to be where your confusion came in.
However, one is very definitely a welfare program and one is not.
It's okay. Even people who are on these programs get confused.
Ugh, Perry is such a jackass.
And for anyone who thinks what he's doing is totes awesome, try this test: Imagine what your reaction would have been if this were President Bush and Governor Miracle Texas Democrat. Governor Miracle decides to disregard the law, which -- besides BREAKING THE LAW -- is directly causing pain and hardship to hundreds of thousands of his state's citizens.
Do you defend Governor Miracle for his hi-tone ideological principles, or are you outraged -- OUTRAGED -- at his flouting The Will of The People and The Law Of The Land?
Your answer will reveal whether you're a jackass too ...
adam - It is reasonable to have a philosophical bias against a method that has historically and consistently proven to be expensive, bureaucratic, ineffective, inefficient and based on misinforming those who pay for it. Obamacare is the perfect example:
- It was forced through by a single political party against the wishes of the majority of Americans.
- Many Democrats who voted for it did so not out of its innate worth, but by bribery ("Louisiana Purchase"; "Cornhusker Kickback")
- Obama administration claims about the costs (or "savings," as he put it) were based on ten years of revenue against six years of expenditures.
- As more details come out, Obamacare's true cost (so far) has climbed to nearly $2 trillion.
- Recent revelations indicate that Obamacare infringes on other rights guaranteed by the Constitution (Catholic Church subsidiaries being forced to provide coverage for abortions, which goes against the sponsoring Church's teachings.)
- Despite Democrat claims, Obamacare still leaves millions of people uninsured (e.g. illegal immigrants.)
- The Obama administration utilized the favoritism inherent in its "selective enforcement" philosophy by granting the majority of its "waivers" to Democrat-friendly labor unions.
- Per the Supreme Court's recent decision, Obamacare implements a near-universal and absolutely unique new tax, which Democrats steadfastly denied up until that decision.
So yes, it's perfectly reasonable to resist such government programs based solely on one's philosophy.
Amen 7:34, pay attention in school boys and girls and save your money and dont smoke
You folks are way to worried about this medical insurance stuff.
Get your priorities straight. Damn, hell, crap. Its almost football season.
Double Fake Barry Switzer
"Now, I could and probably WILL get more out of the system than i paid in under either program, and that appears to be where your confusion came in."
No, you're confused. What we pay in has nothing to do what is paid out, ergo, it's welfare. Not to mention spouses are eligible without paying in a dime. Insurance matches premiums with claims. Medicare and SS charge charge current workers for current enrollees.
Bit of a sore point with me. Millions of Americans believe they "deserve" or "paid for" SS and Medicare. No, they didn't.
@8:06.
I assure you that you ARE incorrect about what constitutes welfare (or insurance, retirement payments, pensions, or premiums, for that matter)...
It is quite alright. I don't expect much out of folks who post anonymously.
Go read a little bit and come back to us.
if you are not actively trying to become "unpoor" then you are choosing to be/remain poor
Well one-five-eight evening, a person "actively" working 40 plus hours a week @ 14.00 per hour, is "actively" trying to be unpoor. However that is not going to happen unless they win the lottery. You must be rich, spoiled, rotten, inherited or potential inherited money or something, are maybe all of this. Maybe you made it on your on, very commendable and American like, so congratulations on your success. Or maybe you are just a delusional, full-of-yourself Rush butt licker. No poor person wants to be poor, regardless of your shitty reasoning that they choose to be. There are more hard working Americans trying to make it than those with the welfare/government assitance crap you and your ilk are always crying about. Hell, this is so out of touch with reality, maybe YOU should run for President of the United States. You can't be any worse than Mitt. Maybe. Rush pottied, he needs you.................
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