2.25.2011

We've Been Part Socialists For A Long, Long Time


I just saw this story, so I thought I'd fire off a hot opinion I've held for quite a while: America is, to a great percentage, socialist.

Start with this premise: The economy is nothing more than people having money and then spending that money. That's true.  Well, the government forces this to happen all the time. Whether it be federal income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, or a car emission fee, that money is collected by government by force and then (wait for it) put in the hands of others.

It does that by taking those funds and buying things or employing people who will then go and buy things.

 I'm just thinking about the courthouse: Those offices spend tons of money that goes into the private sector (office supplies, phones, computers, cars, etc.)  And there are a bunch of government employees (prosecutors, judges, clerks, probation officers, and their staffs) who are going to take their paychecks and run down to Walmart,  David's Western Wear, or Lowes and spend it.

Simply put, our government forces citizens to hand over money and then turns around and dumps that money into the hands of others. We think of socialism as the government taking money from someone productive and putting it in the hands of a bum, but it's actually taking that money and employing your neighbor.

Heck, the government indirectly employs me! My entire paycheck is government produced: The government takes your money, spends it on criminal justice, those employed in criminal justice arrest and prosecute people, and some of those people come to me and hire me. I, in turn, spend that money at Walmart, David's Western Wear, or Lowes.

But whether it be criminal justice, schools, fire protection, the military, health services, or road construction, (the list is mind blowing) the government is a major player in the economy.  Think about all the people you know who work in some form or fashion for the government. We complain about Big Government, but I'm not sure our economy wouldn't collapse if is wasn't so big.  I'm not saying it should be that way, I'm saying that's the way it is.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Only big haired bleach blonde chicks who lay in tanning beds shop at Davids.

Anonymous said...

And knee-jerk incoherent rants against "Big Gov-mint" will begin in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Anonymous said...

And we all better fasten our seatbelts, because the economy is about to grind to a halt.

The stimulus money is about gone; federal, state, and local governments are making huge cuts; employment is stagnant; inflation is ramping up; and gas prices are about to top $4/gallon again.

If you thought 2009 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Anonymous said...

Socialism is thousands of tons of garbage on the street (no wait, is that rue?) when some bum gets unhappy with his fat check, insurance and 47 days of vacation every 6 months.

wordkyle said...

This is not a big argument. There are those who argue for "More Socialism" (Liberals, many Democrats) and those who are for "Less Socialism" (Conservatives & Libertarians, many Republicans.)

Anonymous said...

i always thought one unbuckled a seatbelt when the ride ginds to a hault.

Anonymous said...

The majority of the money spent by government is through ponzi schemes; aka Social Security and Medicare/Medicade. Using younger participants (taxpayers) to pay for the older participants (recipients). The problem is, there are more recipients than taxpayers (almost). Soon, there will be more taking than giving. That is when the real Sh*t hits the fan.

tommy said...

No government ever spent my money better than me..

Anonymous said...

It's nice to know you're a true conservative under all that LL bull, BG. This recent enlightenment you've had has been why we ranters have been wanting less government for a long time. Viva La Libertarians!!!!

Anonymous said...

Obamy is makeing new jobs - government. It's always been a noble, stable employment for many.
It does drive the country, along with the rich cats.

Anonymous said...

You can soon add Bridgeport's new BROOKSHIRE'S to the list of where to drop your money..hope they offer more competition to bring down prices!

V. Wayne said...

BG,

I wouldn't have pegged you for a Lowe's guy...much less a WalMart shopper.

I thought of you more like a Home Depot and Target kinda guy.

I can't say one way or another about Dave's Western Wear, but it sounds AWESOME!

V

Anonymous said...

I thought this was well thought out, somehow obvious, yet hidden in plain sight. Wordkyle is right too, and I liked the comment about "No government ever spent my money better than me."

I wish that were true for everybody Tommy. Too many people are too dumb to know how to spend their money. A few examples that come to mind are drug dependency, plastic surgery, obesity, etc. I am definitely not proposing any solutions; I just wanted to comment on how interesting this situation is.

In some ways, it seems as if the whole thing may just be an overcomplication. It seems that the concept of money is nothing more an attempt to "quantify" a particular individual's worth within the society. I don't really have a problem with the creation and utilization of money, but after the application of investment algorithims, taxation, valuation, appreciation, depreciation, human greed, blah, blah, blah - the whole equation gets muddy, manipulated, and exponentially volatile. Sways in economic balance become more and more drastic as issues or flaws within the equations are discovered and patched.

Everytime I get on this blog and comment, I ramble on. I also hope I don't sound pretentious.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad you mentioned yourself.....I was getting ready too.

ratherbesailin' said...

In that twosome photo; does that one on the right have two belly buttons?

Anonymous said...

Barry, a good post today. Thought provoking. And cromulent.

My Other Brother Darryl

Anonymous said...

2:37 - I like the way you sound....sensible and thought out from your own mind and not a bunch of Internet research that some on here twist into their own words.

Well said. Keep posting.

Anonymous said...

2:37-------------

"Too many people are too dumb to know how to spend their money"

Interesting observation. Problem is you left out a little detail called freedom. If you"re smart enough to make some money, you should be free to spend it the way you choose. The alternative is to have someone else decide for you what is worth spending your money on. Who do you think that should be? Uncle Sam(bo)? Me? Mother Theresa?

Trust me, your not gonna like it if I get the job. Stupid expenditures in my world include cable TV (all TV actually), sports, cosmetics, cheap crap from China. But I don't get to force you to not spend money on those thing. You are free to spend on what you like and free to endure the consequences of your choices.

Now sometimes someone's money is actually "my" money, as in those on welfare who don't actually earn for themselves. I don't think they should be free to be fat and have 52" flat screens. They should be drug tested weekly and required to grow a garden.

Darwin

Anonymous said...

No union member or lawyer should shop wal mart. IGA is employee friendly.

Anonymous said...

5:14 - I completely agree with you. I wasn't suggesting that the government spend my(our/your) money. bout simply stating that many people are not capable/disciplined enough to handle money effectively.

Good talk.

2:37

Anonymous said...

True capitalism is the most democratic economic system on earth. You have any money, you have votes. When you spend your votes, you get things you wish for, and the company or individuals you vote for succeed and make more of what you wish for.

When the government takes resources and spends them, they fix the election, to an extent. People and companies succeed on what the government decides, not the people. That is fine for guns and grenades. Not so good for banks, car companies, etc etc.

Government spending to an extent is needed. But it should be as limited as possible.

tommy said...

The reality of our economy is simple. Its people buying things they don't need with money they don't have.

Anonymous said...

Barry,
The one point that seems to be lost in translation is not one person has an issue with the creation of jobs and working people whether it be from the government or the private sector. We have a problem with the distribution of our money to the ones who are to lazy to work and want everything for free. That is the socialism that people hate.