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1.18.2008

The Best Things Are Sometimes Buried

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh good grief. We don't even know what kind of "indoor practice facility" they're talking about, and you're already fanning the flames ... perhaps out of deep-seated Bull-bred paranoia??

Sheesh.

How about something important, like breaking news on the death of Bobby Fischer or something?

Anonymous said...

I was there and the indoor practice facility was not hidden and I think one board member did point out that any athletic monies spent would be broken into 2 different propositions. One for the building of needed facilities and the other for " Dream Projects"
of the others.

Anonymous said...

In this day of rising electricity and fuel costs, why are they wanting to construct a facility that will consume huge amounts of electricity to heat and cool it? Next you'll know they'll be wanting a bond to pay the electric bill. Just another thing to take away money from actually educating children.

Anonymous said...

um, 9:04...i dont think barry meant it was buried at the meeting, it was more like buried in the update story, when in fact, THAT item will be the most controversial of the whole package and should not had been buried like ti some small little part of it.

why dont james who just step up to the plate and pay for it and we can name it the James Wood Indoor Multi-Use Facility.

or, the Huddle House Indoor Arena..

or, the Casa Torres Sports Complex

or, the Just Like New Pavillion

or, the McFieldhouse

Anonymous said...

"Dream Projects" is right! Promoting GPA over TD's or RBI's or whatever else seems to be so important is a desperately needed trend in this state!

Anonymous said...

If it's for Banjo practice I'm all for it cuz you can't let them get wet.

Anonymous said...

Why not locate the indoor practice facility between Decatur and Bridgeport so both schools could share it and share the cost?

I realize it is heresy to suggest such a thing---just a thought?

Anonymous said...

Why don't you take the money for the "indoor practice facility" and add-on to the exsisting schools!

Anonymous said...

Hey, 10:06....that's tooo easy and not costly enough! Don't you know common sense on school boards in a missing link?

Anonymous said...

This ain't Southlake!

Anonymous said...

9:41 Why not combine all the county school districts into one and save on administration, increase purchasing power and increase the overall economies of scale.

It just won't happen.

Anonymous said...

Now that we are a chapter 41 school district (property rich school district) we can either build stuff for our kids (bonds) or send more money to the state so they can spend it on other kids. Either way money is going out of your pocket.... So the question is: do we spend it on our kids or do we send it to the state for other kids? I know my answer.

Anonymous said...

Here's my ideas: Design school buildings with at least 25% extra square feet to allow for growth. Ventilation and other services would be designed to be dead ended and easily come online later. Construction costs and populations only grow so you save in the long run.
Use high quality materials with a simple design to keep costs down. A big rectangle box would be cool.
Concrete work is incredibly expensive. The building would be multi story to reduce size of foundation.
Make it as efficient as humanly possible even if the extra costs hurt a little it will pay for itself.
Indoor practice facility? Great idea. There are steel and aluminum framed tents available that are big enough to fly an airplane in,the skin material lasts for years the frame forever and can be heated/cooled pretty easily. They can also be leased so repairs, maintenance etc even updates would be the same cost for the period of time contracted. If the space is ever needed the facility is simply taken down. The uses for this facility are endless-practice field for marching band,drill team,community events,who knows?
When a new building goes up the politicians say"Here is a building we can be proud of." I would be prouder if the tens of thousands of dollars that could often be saved on these large projects went for musical instruments,instruments for the science labs,computers and even scholarships for college.
Too much money is wasted on style elements in a municipal school building. Have a beautiful library with great design elements and a very nice entryway and foyer and these will help pave the way for what matters.

Anonymous said...

Also, folks, it's my understanding that these proposals were NOT generated by the school board or school administrators, but are the result of a months-long study by a panel of 40+ local citizens across all age-ranges.

Anonymous said...

If you think the drill team and marching band will be able to use the indoor practice facility, you're crazy. They cannot use the practice field that is already there because supposedly they might cause damage that would make it difficult for the football team to practice.

Anonymous said...

anything for the children,,, they cant learn without shitloads of taxpayer money.

its never enough

God help us

Anonymous said...

11:56, sounds like some administrators need to straighten out some football coaches heads if no one else is allowed to use the practice field but football kids. BUT, that IS the problem in DISD... administrators that will NOT do their jobs!

This indoor practice facility is a KYLE STORY project, period. You can cover that any way you like. But he is behind it. Just another reason for it to be his time to leave Decatur. PLEASE!

Nothing changes at DISD. They still treat the citizens as though we are all blind idiots that will believe the BS we are handed. Not so. Bring on the bond.... will love to watch as it fails majorly! AND... when did Decatur get so many MORE elementary kids? That's another bunch of BS.

House of R & R said...

OK I'm confused. Isn't an indoor practice facility basically a gym? Doesn't the high school have one already?

Anonymous said...

How many practice fields do we need? We have at least 2 and the playing field. Guess I have been sleeping. I thought we were still a 3A school. We may be a property rich school, but I don't know of any school district that has had a bond election to send money to the state. How many bonds are we paying on now? I think we are still paying on the old high school and the track (still a sore subject). Next thing you know, we will be voting for a new football stadium, maybe even indoors! We can't have our practice field nicer than our stadium! If we have to spend the money or give it away, maybe we could afford lockers for the new high school so kids are not carrying back packs around that weigh over 30 pounds!!

M&M said...

11:03 That is true only IF you are going to spend and where the money comes from. If you take it out of operating accounts you lose money because you are hit with the state %. But if you pay for it out of bond money, you don't get hit with the state %. So, it's only IF you are going to spend. You don't have to spend hard earned tax money for an indoor practice facility. Crazy proposal.

11:56 is right, the only time the drill team and band might get to use it, would be some midnight scheduling of practices.


11:32 I was on the committee, and we did not recommend an indoor practice facility. Coach Story told us he wanted one when we toured the high school and I was totally astonished that he had the guts to ask for it, but in the final analysis we did not recommend it to the board, so that is something the board has thrown in there on their own.

rpm said...

Good grief people, don't you get it? You can't give a child a proper education unless they are able to practice 32-Slant when it's raining.

Think of the children!

Anonymous said...

Maybe Story feels that having the indoor practice facility is the only way Deactur can beat Abilene Wylie since they have one. I believe Wylie paid for their indoor facility with all private donations. Now that's an idea!

Anonymous said...

11:56 Hey doofus, if it's indoors there won't be a field per se to tear up,it would Astro-turf or something.
M&M I did band and football, may have missed a practice at one for another but I sure don't remember it. Seems like band was right after athletics,they don't let the kids do both anymore?

Anonymous said...

11:02 am you are right on. We should just have a Wise County ISD. Would a new elementary then be needed or could a few lines be changed to send a few kids to a different elementary? And is the new school also going to be located in Decatur? If it was one district any new school could be located next to the growth area.

But you are right - it will never happen.

Anonymous said...

My son was an "At-Risk" kid. I gave him an ultimatum. Play football; or go to a military school in Brownsville. He chose football. Coach Story has turned my son completely around. As far as I am concerned, Coach Story can ask for the moon and we will back him.
Football gives these boys direction, pride, commitment, and the understanding of teamwork. There's not much else at DHS to offer the kids.

Anonymous said...

R&R Imagine a football field with a building over it.

Anonymous said...

The Board did not ask for the Indoor Practice facility. It came from the administration. I was a member of the facilities committe as well and the Administration could put what they wanted in athletics on the bond only if it was seperate from what we truly need. The Board Members that participated in the meetings were also in favor of such. The stadium or practice facility was only asked for by those with a vested interest in athletics and was not reflective of the group. The committe made it very clear to the Board the primary concern was only for academics and planning for future growth.

Anonymous said...

Wylie has one... Northwest has one... oh, by ALL means, then we MUST also have one! Drive around those areas folks and see the numbers who share in the taxes paid there. Here... we don't even compare in size or tax base. And raising property taxes will likely cause such a stir that a rollback cound ensue. (I'd sure vote for a rollback!) If Kyle Story wants an indoor facility, let him go elsewhere to a school that has one. We can't afford him, obviously! Board members who are in "favor" of such a facility have LOST THEIR MINDS!!! They are to represent the taxpayers, NOT the Athletic Director's every whim!

Anonymous said...

When Carson was opened, it was almost full so I have no doubt that it's time for another elementary or at least to build on to an existing one. Was growth even considered when Carson was built or was it just underestimated?

I am on board with consolidating school districts. Why do we need so many? Look at Northwest-they have schools in several different towns and are adding more all the time. Great idea if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

1:09 - The voters here are not the legislature or Congress! They buy off on PORK, we DO NOT! What kind of jerk is that guy? If you want to kill a bond issue, just load it up with waste and nonsense. Maybe the ballot should require two separate issues; ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL and DREAM PROJECTS. Why not be truthful and realistic about it and see how far Kyle Story's pink elephant walks.

Seeing the Bigger Picture said...

When the new high school was built, a seemingly great fine arts facility was built. Not all students benefit from it but it was included and I have attended a very enjoyable show there. An indoor practice facility wouldn't be used by all students but there are a large number of kids participating in football, track, baseball, cross country and band. Story is no dummy and I'm sure he knows any type facility will have to be open to different constituents at different times. Unless something changes, my kids won't have much use for the facility but I'll be for it because many kids will benefit.

Someone else made the comment that we are considered a "rich" school district. Like it or not (and I don't), we will get taxed and the money will go to our kids or kids somewhere else. I rather the kids in Decatur benefit from the taxes I'm forced to pay.

Anonymous said...

Wise County has a very small population (about 60,000). It makes perfect sense to me to consolidate all of these various ISDs into a single entity. It could have 2 or more high schools but with logical boundary lines. The administrative savings could even pay for some general use facilities like Northwest or Southlake have.

But I agree with others - it's logical so it'll never happen.

Anonymous said...

When I left Decatur lo these many many years ago they were raising taxes to prepare for "phenomonal growth" and spending big money to get PR people to show them how to "prepare for the future today" Decatur was going to be a bedroom community where rich folk can come home to at night like Southlake,Plano etc.
I stop and visit these days and the only thing that has changed is empty beer bottles and boxes from cases of Keystone Light laying around everywhere.

Anonymous said...

I heard there's a secret agenda to ram 3 huge indoor practice fields through a bond election with wording rigged to assure these facilities will indeed sully our skyline as symols of hate and political vindictiveness.
This entire fiasco will of course be a burden the poorest of our society will have to endure.

Anonymous said...

Decatur ISD bond issue? Nooo...!! FUX TGE STREETS FIRST! That will be a major tax burden and must be done somehow. Decatur has the worst streets I have ever seen since leaving the rubble of Korea behind many years ago. We have no storm sewers and patches over patches 100 years old. Not much growth can be expected for Decatur as long as the streets are so rotten and that means no new burden on the schools.

M&M said...

3:40 Bands, football & baseball, track etc. have practiced OUTSIDE for a hundred years or so. A high school does not need an indoor practice facility. The Dallas Cowboys don't even have one, they borrow Southlakes' during inclimate weather. But guess what, the games are played in inclimate weather, outside, not inside. Who cares who will benefit from it, it's a stupid idea to spend tax dollars on such a convenience or luxury. All of you who think it's such a good idea should volunteer all your money that you don't seem to need to the Kyle Story Indoor Football Practice Facility Fund.

2:19 I'm glad Story had a good influence on your son and helped him get direction in his life and I'm not saying he isn't a good guy or a good coach and no one is saying to get rid of football or that football is bad. Football does however get most of the attention, emphasis, money etc. as a sport, sometimes at the expense of other things that would be beneficial to the education of kids.

Anonymous said...

Let's build something for the kids to do in Decatur,like a Main Event or something like that. The only thing these teenagers can do here is drink and have sex. 380 is so dangerous going to Denton to even go bowling for a fun night out. If the teeenagers aren't interested in sports, what good will it do to spent all that money on another "sports" thing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:03 - that doesn't mean you have to build an indoor practice facility. The school district has a great deal of "building" needs that could come before an indoor football field.

Anonymous said...

11:26 has got a great idea - build 25%more, but it's hard enough around here (hence the two failed bond packages BEFORE the one for a new HS passed) to get a bond passed before the district has outgrown the size of the structure in the bond package itself. We need the young people of Decatur to step up, help promote and vote. And we need for people to understand there IS a need. Go visit the schools and note the crowded elementary calssrooms that are at capacity. It's true.

Anonymous said...

True there is a long-range planning committee, but the board has the final sayso and can add or delete what it needs to in order for the community to pass this bond - sometimes sacrificing the icing is necessary to get the cake baked.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many times our valued citizens will serve on such committees when DISD, the board or whoever it is, asks for their opinions after long hours of work, and then adds something into it, which is what it seems has happened here?

We wonder why the community can turn on the school so quick.

Anonymous said...

"There's not much else at DHS to offer the kids."

Wow, now that one really hurts. The mentality it takes to say that DHS has not much else to offer kids, except football ....well that just says it all, huh!

Anonymous said...

You are all full of "ca-ca." I'm guessing most of the commentators on this post rarely, if ever, attend school board meetings. Your chicken-shhh comments smack of the kind of guys and gals that read Cliffs Notes instead of books in high school, worshipped at the mighty alter of football until the glory days were over (graduation) and now you sit around and lament how fat your belly is or polish your tarnished homecoming crown. Or, you are some old fart that was a big wig at one time and you can't stand the fact that you aren't sitting on the throne anymore. Either way, until you are willing to take a look at what really matters...academics (Math, English, History, Science, etc), quit grinding your axes. Not one time do you offer any real support in your comments for the areas that prepare a person for the rest of his life. Beauty fades but dumb is forever. Get a clue!!!! While I agree that a practice field is not necessary, your silence about the needs and nature of academics is appalling.

Anonymous said...

Why don't we just buy Texas Stadium and have it moved here? Cowboys are getting a new home. Oh...wait, that won't work, cuz it has a hole in the ceiling. Dang! Thought I had the answer for an indoor practice facility AND a new stadium! Any repairmen out there who would volunteer to close that hole for cheap?

Anonymous said...

M&M, the Cowboys do have an indoor facility. Most of the posters here are jumping all over DISD for entertaining the idea of having such a facility for its sudents and community. Before getting on here and making such hateful comments toward others you may want to educate yourself on the matter. As already said your money can either stay here in the community or you can let it go to other communities. That will be your choice. The board has prioritized the districts needs. One of the top priorities is to use a large portion of the money to purchase and upgrade the districts technology just as someone has suggested. Then you have a new elementary and any rennovations of other campuses, and possibly a new bus facility. Athletics was put on the bottom of the list and is considered a non priority.
Why is it so bad that Coach Story would want an indoor facility for his athletic program? Why do people in this community not want nice things for the students and athletes in particular? Contrary to the beliefs many of you have, all students could benefit from such a building. PE classes would be able to use the building and save the gym floors from damage. Band could use the building during their class time and after football practices, just like they are doing now. Track and field, baseball, softball, and soccer could use it during times of poor weather. Such a building is not just for football as many of you would like to think it is. No we are not Southlake, but why wouldn't you want to be? Look at the success of their schools, not only athletically, but academically.

Anonymous said...

Beauty fades,dumb is forever. Good one.

Anonymous said...

Bonding is BINDING future taxpayers to what people realize at present that will be good for the future. No matter what, the money comes out of the pockets of people living here and the priorities are not only the schools. A good point was made about other civic needs and Decarur streets will someday require a whopping big bond issue to fix.

M&M said...

10:14 Unless the Cowboys have built an indoor practice facility at valley ranch in the last couple of years, I'm pretty sure they don't have one. They have in the past, when we have had snowy & icey weather, practiced at Southlake Carrol's indoor practice facility because they have never had one.

To your other point that has been made by others as well. You keep saying we will either keep the money here or send it to Austin to distribute to other schools. This is absolutely false. Under chapter 41, a district will pay a certain amount to Austin no matter what they do. The problem comes into play when a district decides to spend money on something. Let's say a district decides to build a bus barn. If they decide to pay for that barn out of funds they have, which have come from the tax payers, they will have to pay Austin a certain % of what it cost them to build it in addition to the cost of the barn.
However, if they pass a bond to pay for the barn, they do not have to send any % of the cost of the barn to Austin.

It is bad for Story to ask for it because it is not a NEED. It is a wish, a dream, a luxury, a non-essential, a want. Decisions should be based on needs, not wants or desires. Such as the elementary school is a need.

So, why don't you and those others get your facts straight before you come on here thinking you know it all.

Anonymous said...

As usual M&M is right.

Anonymous said...

Go to google earth view and search this address. 9801 E Valley Ranch Pkwy. Click on street view. You may need to rotate around, but you will find a large white building with a huge blue star on it. That is the Cowboys indoor facility that sits behind the offices in Valley Ranch. The Cowboys have practiced at Southlake, but they do have their own indoor facility.

Anonymous said...

Another thing...all of you that spew that trite saying, "This isn't Southlake!" also need to get a clue. The world doesn't stop at the Wise County line. While it isn't Southlake, kids from Decatur and for that matter, Alovrd, Boyd, Bowie, etc. are competing with Southlake kids and the like for scholarships and entrance into universities. But since we are on the topic of the possible allocation of Decatur bond funds, football is the last thing that you should worry about here. How much do you know about Decatur's Gifted and Talented Program? Do you know that schools/districts that have a strong G/T program are statistically shown to produce more National Merit Scholars. Heck, if schools arond here could even come close in producing one semi-finalist, that would be a huge accomplishment. Decatur isn't Southlake but if you have kids in school here, Southlake kids have the academic support that allow them to run circles around your kids. If you want to bring up the money aspect, take a look at Fort Worth's Pascal High School's demographics and then look that school up on the Wikipedia listing on how many National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists they have this year. The technology needs being addressed is a much needed start but before an indoor practice field is considered, direct your attention to the science labs, math curriculum, SAT/ACT entrance exam readiness, etc. to see how we stack up to other kids nationally. Educate yourself before you start spouting ignorant comments and above all, before you vote on an issue.

Anonymous said...

Logical? "But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible,
logical, responsible, practical." (Supertramp)

Why would I want to join a Wise County ISD with a city that has delusions of granduer? Decatur should have risen to the occasion 10 years ago. Instead, they are too big for their britches. Decatur businesses and churches have big city aspirations without an understanding of what it takes to get the job done. I know Southlake. Decatur, at this time, "you are no Southlake." I love Texas and Wise county. The people are usually the salt of the earth. The quality of life in general is second to none. I have tried to be an influence whevever I could, but folks don't listen to me. You can tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much.

If the people of Decatur want an indoor facility, they can vote on the bond. No big deal.

Anonymous said...

Decatur is just trying to catch up with Northwest.

By golly they are gonna have those athletic facilities - meanwhile our hard working troops (teachers) struggle with pitiful salaries and watch the sports debacle.

Bridgeport is no different.

We need ex teachers to RUN for the school boards and get elected.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: An indoor practice facility in DISD is NOT feasable, cost efficient, nor is it necessary! Many other priorities should be burying this idiotic "suggestion"! Kyle Story needs to leave town if he can't handle the weather. There are LOTS of other coaches out there who are tough enough to take what mother nature has dished out for hundreds of years.

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

99.9999% of the kids who play HS football, (or other sports for that matter), will never play another second of them after HS.

99.9999% of those same kids WILL join the real world and have to contribute.

How about spending that money on things that prepare them for life... instead of the things that make Coaches swell with pride.

*sigh*

I am the biggest HS Fan as the next guy, but ANY talk of an indoor field is so prepostorus, I am embarrassed for anyone to seriously consider it.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Mike Honcho, I like your comments. ABSOLUTELY, prepare them for life in the real world. How many job interviews include, "hey buddy, were YOU a football star at your high school"? Few, unless they are going into pro ball and how many of those do schools turn out?

Anonymous said...

Question - what's the record for most posts to a topic? I know this isn't it - just wondering.

Anonymous said...

I think Decatur has had ONE in the past 30 years.

Heck, since I'm not originally from here and don't know the specifics, I'm sure I'll be corrected somehow.

Anonymous said...

10:20 "Tithing Talk" garnered well over 100 posts in it's heyday.

Anonymous said...

One what 10:22?

Anonymous said...

One pro football player.

Anonymous said...

If you want an indoor practice facility, tell your board members.

If you don't want an indoor practice facility, tell your board members.

They're the ones with the power to decide.

Anonymous said...

From the posts we have here many disagree with giving money toward athletics since it doesn't have "educational value" and doesn't "teach the kids anything they will need in real life".

Let's make a list. What is out there that district needs and does not already have that would be of educational value and teach the kids the skills of real life? We see lots of statements here, how about some specifics. I will start.
Laptops for all students. Educational value? Yes. Real life skills? Depends on what you call real life skills. I say no.

Anonymous said...

How many job interviewers ask if you were a National Merit Scholar or if you were in the GT program? Yes these are great honors and something to be proud of, but in the real life world being GT or a National Merit Scholar doesn't mean you will be successful or the best person for a job. Many employers actually like hiring athletes because they know what it is like to be a part of a team.

Anonymous said...

There is no question that athletics instills a great deal of goodness in the students. For some students, it's the only reason they're in school.

But, there are probably academic areas that do so equally, if not more.

The high school has programs to offer that also are probably the ONLY reason some of the kids are not dropouts - programs that not only build cars, wooden toys and tractors, but these same programs that take these kids out of Decatur, Wise County and the state to take on state and national titles EVERY YEAR.

Athletics is not the only student-saving program at the schools. The money that could go into the luxury of an indoor practice facility could easily bring ALL THOSE programs up to par, and then some.

You ask why not list what they need more than an indoor practice facility -- well, the committee already did that, and it was also listed in the Messenger: technology, a new elementary, and so on.

Seriously, you think employers will hire an athlete over one with strong academics, communication skills, both verbal and non-verbal? Seriously.

You're not fooling me.

And what does that get them over high GPA, NHS, state and national accomplishments, etc. on their transcript? Few students get college credit because they played football but many get it because of the outstanding foreign language programs, dual classes, AP scores, etc.

And, I think so many are quick to disagree with giving money to athletics because:
1) it's not giving money to athletics; it's giving money to one sport (no matter how you try to stack it up, it's one sport)
2) there are much greater needs than this which should come long before this luxury. Many have small children and we don't want them in crowded elementary classrooms and portables. Ayone who can't see a need for a new elementary school in three years, which is how long it takes to build one (after the bond is passed) is just not visiting our schools or looking at the areas of residential growth in our community and surrounding areas.
3) technology needs to be upgraded - that doesn't mean an iPod in every teen's hands. So many schools have so much more to offer their students technologically, and ours seem strapped and limited to any of the extras, which at many schools are the norms: language labs, mounted projectors in every classroom, video capabilities....

Anonymous said...

You don't have to have an indoor facility to be an athlete. No one is knocking athletics. They have been around for years and years. The cost of an indoor facility and the cost to maintain it is the issue here. Anyone who ties "no athletics" to this indoor facility is blowin' smoke. If something like this is built with taxpayer money, the cost for it will never be done. As someone said earlier, heating, air cost alone would be astronomical.

Anonymous said...

It is a fact that there is a direct correlation in that higher education usually means higher income. The only exception to this would be the teaching profession. How ironic is that!!!!