.... and there my might be a tiny, smitgen of a chance that the great principal who created this class to cheat the system could be responsible for this whole charade.just maybe
A certain coach, who will remain un-named, may be involved as well. Talk about sleeping with the devil.
All their district championships should be stripped..
tip of the iceburg folks... tip of the ice burg! Teachers in that system have tried and tried to tell folks that things were not "up to par" in the system...but NO ONE would listen. Strange that the Title IX thing didn't stumble across this mess. hmmmmmmmmm.... wonder why!
looks like decatur could be loosing some district and state championships!!!!! shame shame shame.
K. Story had to have known about this!! He's the AD, for gosh sakes! Heads should roll, folks!
Ya'll are ridiculous, taking a story and running with it pulling anyone in that comes to your mind. Why not wait and get the facts before you start pointing fingers.
decatur is not going to release any facts. they hide everything, so we would be waiting to eternity.
So lets not just make shit up.
I have heard that it had to do with the cheerleading class.
The Athletic Director is not just "anyone"....... he is to oversee ALL athletics. There is NO WAY he didn't know about this "class." Don't excuse him just because he has won a few seasons. sheeesh!
If it was indeed from the cheerleading class then he more than likely did not know. These GIRLS go to the class and then individually ask if they can go else where if nothing is going on in thier class that day. Coach Story can't be responsible to know where every athlete is every minute of the day.
Cheerleading does not fall under the supervision of the athletic department or the AD. It is not considered a sport in the sense that football and basketball are. The AD would have nothing to do with this mess if what I'm hearing is true. The creation of a new class has to be approved by the principal, and if she knowingly allowed something to be done in that class that is different than the course description, then she should be held accountable. I agree, lots of names getting thrown out there that have no connection to what has transpired other than that they work in the school system.
And it is not the AD's job to know if student drinking was allowed on some of the cheer leading activities, right? WRONG! It is the AD's job to know about anything that goes wrong at any level of his department. He gets big pay for where the buck stops and he can't always plead ignorance to the circumstances...EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A GREAT CASE
Goes to showya that the Messenger wasn't just peddling gossip...as some jerk alleged on another thread.
Shut up, Mzchief.
Dollar to a dime says the head witch (principal) gets a hand slap and a raise, the AD gets exonorated, excused and a raise, and some poor teacher who was told/threatened that this is what the class was going to be will get fired. MARK MY WORDS, NO ONE IN AUTHORITY WILL ANSWER FOR ANYTHING!!!!! (I have been there, I know!)
If you see more than one student athlete working out in a period that is not athletics. Shouldn't you find out why? Wouldn't you know if there were football players watching game film everyday or people shooting the basketball in the gym. Sounds like to me more than one person knew this was going on.
Ok, it did involve a cheerleading/student leadership class for the past two years. The teacher/cheerleading coach was only certified to teach P.E. You cannot be in Athletics and P.E. on the same day or the UIL considers it two workouts in one day. It only involves the cheerleaders and will have no effect on past football or cross-country championships. I do not believe that cheerleading falls under the AD in Decatur. Although, there had been talk of moving it there several years ago. The Principal may have made a mistake but I don't think it should be "heads will roll." Discipline sure but termination?? Life is about choices and decisions. Look at some of the poor ones you have made in your own life, even with good motives. Show me someone who does not make mistakes and I will show you someone who cannot make a decision.
hmmm sad for the kids.black mark on the Coaching Staff!Funny, Cheated and still can't produce in the playoffs.
That's because they can LIE and get away with anything. IT WORKS! It has been proven time and again with the present administration. 11 hogs die in the DHS Ag Dept in two years. A State Board of Health investigator shows up. The principal lies and says that it happened only once. The Ag teacher is forced to lie...(later resigns). The investigator talks to no parents or kids who lost hogs. Case closed...only one hog has died in two years. The "NO TOLERANCE POLICY" for guns on premises. One kid is caught with firearms and a machete in his truck on high school parking lot...THREE TIMES! He is hauled in and reprimanded...given an excuse to tell others, that they made a mistake and only found a knife. Gindt, principal and AD were all involved. All LIED about the incidents and gave the kid a lie to tell others who knew why he was hauled in. Why did the kid get off? Because he was a football player, that's why! AND BECAUSE IT WAS PROVEN TO HIM THAT LYING WORKS!! Yep...we are looking only at the tikp of the iceberg with this recent little mess. FOR SURE!!!
Go back to the whole in Bridgeport you crawled out of 10:41am!
It's funny how we'll take the word of anonymouse 10:38. If you'll read the update, it says nothing about cheerleaders. It does however mention football, basketball, volleyball and track athletes. If it was only cheerleaders, then why are the other athletes not receiving credit for the class as well? I don't know the facts, but I do know we shouldn't take the word of someone just because they act like they know the facts.
11:07 there are only cheerleaders in the class that is why 10:38 said that. There are no football players for sure. The athletes are females, and I only know of one in the class.Could it be that the Messenger is wrong. Time will tell.
11:07 it involved a cheerleading/student leadership class for the past two years. The teacher/cheerleading coach was only certified to teach P.E. You cannot be in Athletics and P.E. on the same day or the UIL considers it two workouts in one day.What do you not get??
Special Delivery to Anon 10:38 --- Uh...MISTAKE??? We are looking at conspiracy and coercion of others here. That is far deeper than the simple "error of judgment" on the part of one person. The AD didn't know about anything going on with the Leadership Skills deal? OK...did any other athletes enroll in the class so that they could get credits for not studying and have extra practices? Hmmm...???
YOU HAD TO BE A CHEERLEADER TO BE IN THE CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ITWAS ACHEERLEADING/STUDENT LEADERSHIPCLASS....................
annon 10:47From our side to yours:Shut your mouth and have a seat.We may lose but we don't cheat!
Just looked at the DHS website and it says, "A National School of Excellence." Excellence at what? Academics? Not so...according to TEA and the school's ACADEMICALLY ACCEPTABLE rating...Not so...in light of this latest fiasco!
it involved a cheerleading/student leadership class for the past two years. The teacher/cheerleading coach was only certified to teach P.E. You cannot be in Athletics and P.E. on the same day or the UIL considers it two workouts in one day.So any Cheerleaders that were also Athletes were considered having two workouts in one day.
Were they practicing cheering during the class? Cheerleaders do a lot more than cheer. They make signs and learn dance routines. I think a cheer class would be ok as long as students only practiced cheer and dance techniques.
Didn't Decatur also get investigated by the state for cheating on the state exams? Is there a common ground here?Leadership class for Cheerleaders only? What? Is that to teach them not to shoot cheerleaders from the rival town with frozen paintballs or not to paint the rival town concession stand and sponsor signs blue?I would say that class is not teaching anything but how to cheat and lie!Glad my tax dollars are being put to good use!
12_19 --- Your tax dollars are paying for some of the best white-collar criminals that money can buy! They can only be fired for being serial killers or worse.
THAT'S IT! I AM MOVING MY KIDS OUT OF DECATUR TO PARADISE!
I graduated from DHS in 2005, and as a senior I also took the student leadership class. I must say, it was the only class I have ever had-in which we did absolutely nothing in. If you wanted to go workout, run around the track-or grab a burger it wasn't a problem. I remember playing halo in class everyday, with the teacher always gone. As far as the athletes going to work out, or practice-at the time I didn't think anything of it. I was just trying to have a good senior year. Cheating? Seems like it now.
WOW.......LETS BASH DECATUR SOME MORE....I TOOK THE LEADERSHIP CLASS.AND YES IT WAS PRETTY MUCH A BLOW OFF CLASS. EVERYONE DID HOMEWORK OR HELPED TEACHERS OUT OR WENT TO BK'S. O AND WE DID DO A CAN FOOD DRIVE.BUT AS FAR AS A CHEERLEADER CLASS OR EXTRA WORK OUT FOTR US ATHLETES. NEVER HAPPENED.............
Sure sounds like a very valuable class. Presumably you got great grades in it. Tax dollars at work.
It did happen. I was in the class as well. I don't know when you took it. I was in the class 3 years ago. It's not like all of the athletes went together to workout. It was more like a group of 3 or 4 would go run and be gone the entire period. Another group presumably linemen or guys just wanting to work out would go to the weightroom.
you all seem suprised, where have you been
I reiterate, for those who keep trying to drag the AD into the current mess, Cheerleading and Drill Team are not a sport nor are they under the auspices of the UIL and do not compete for any UIL championships or awards, and they are certainly not under the supervision of the AD. They both have a sponsor and that sponsor answers solely to the principal. Just because they stand on the sideline at games and cheer or do dance routines doesn't make them a part of the athletic department. In many schools, the drill team is associated more with the band program since it's routines are often a part of the halftime show. That used to be the case in Decatur, but don't think it is tied to that program at present.
From the statements here of students actually involved in the program, they say that athletes other than cheer leaders were in the class. It is the kind of sleazy program that the AD would want a share of for his football players and it looks like he weazled his way into it. Whether it falls under UIL rules or not, it did benefit athletes and was a completely fraudulent program.
WELL ANON 1:32 DUNNO WHICH CLASS U HAD BUT I WAS IN THERE IN 2004 AND WE HAD JUST A FEW ATHLETES MANILY GIRLS....... JUST A FEW GUYS AND DOINT RECALL THEM RUNNING OR ANYTHING....BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT ELSE SHOULD THEY DO JUST SIT IN CLASS AND DO NOTHING .AT LEAST THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.
Anon 1:32, what are you talking about? My understanding was this class (this year and last year) only enrolled girl cheerleaders and no one was going to the weight room. I do believe there were lots of runs to BKs though. What year are you referring too and what class period?
This one issue is worth griping about but I wonder how many other worthless programs Mrs. Reeves has created in DHS to build up her little empire. Since we have a few former students participating here today, maybe they know of other courses that should be investigated.
When did a freakin cheerleader become a athlete? good on there knees?
Anon 1:32 did say he/she went there 3 years ago-which could be possible. I remember my son was also in Student Leadership with Ms. Bonner, and they did pretty much the same thing..
O AND WHAT ARE YALL TALKING ABOUT CHEERLEADER CLASS I THINK WHEN I TOOK IT THERE WAS ONLY LIKE 1 OR 2 CHEERLEADERS IN THERE AND ANON 1:32 W HO DID U HAVE AND WHEN..........?
ok im anon 1:19, 1:46, and 2:00.i had bonner
Obviously they are talking about different classes. The Cheer class is only cheerleaders.
i'm putting my bet on at least 300 comments for this one.
I am anon 1:32 and I had Bonner as well. I believe it was 3rd block, the class before lunch. And 3 years ago, yes there were athletes, regular students and a small amount of cheerleaders in there.
No, just read the messenger update. It was a student leadership class with Football, Track and basketball players enrolled in it. Just like in years past some of the these students were apparently allowed to practice-in effect giving them a second practice period during the day, which is a violation of UIL rules.
2:14 you are talking about a different class. The one in question is for the DHS Cheerleaders. Or maybe it is about all of the different student leadership classes.
"leadership class"?? Brings to mind the immortal words of Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade:"Now as I came in here, I heard those words… "cradle of leadership". Well, when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here, it has fallen! Makers of men, creators of leaders, be careful what kind of leaders you’re producing here."
Where are some of you getting the idea the problem stems from the DHS Cheerleaders? That wouldn't make much sense anyway.
I think that it is a shame that Gindt won't let everyone know what is going on because this speculation and others need to defend is ridiculous and getting us nowhere.I might be wrong but the way I look at it is that if the teachers let these students out of class to do whatever they wanted that became there free time to do as they please just like after school if a athlete practices on there free time how can the school be held accountable. It just sounds to me that students are getting to come and go to freely at DHS.
2:24 read comment at 10:38
I am not sure where 10:38 is getting his/her information but there is not to the best of my knowledge a student leadership class at DHS with all cheerleaders in it. As, I am a teacher here.
It's time for her to go! Granted she had "Excellence" one year. Do we wave a flag for the next 10 years and let everything else go to pot?
2:32 LOL. That is scary. There is a cheerleader class my daughter was in there.
OMFG! We all know there is a cheerleader class. People are trying to say there are all cheerleaders in a student leadership class.
2:32 read comment 10:38 and then please for God sake get back to your student leadership class.
2:39 now I am really scared for the future of our children.
I've read several of the comments and my question is; was English taught in Decatur High School?
The comment that cheerleaders are not athletes is ridiculous. Just try keeping up with any of those girls. It's a sport, a competition and very tough. It requires balance, stanima, creativity, extreme flexibility, all this with a smile......I would be willing to bet those girls are in far better shape than any of the boys.
The State Champion/Qualifier Cross Country teams should not be affected. They had nobody involved in this. If you want to "strip them of their championships", let me tell you how to do it, it's very easy. Just get your girls and boys to show up--voluntarily and without any coach involvement (all as per UIL rules)--all summer long, at 6:00 in the morning, and run really long distances! It's very easy, I'm sure you've ALL been doing that--haven't you?
You are right they are athletes. But it doesn't change the fact-that some person that didn't know what they were talking about tried to stir the pot by saying there were all cheerleaders in a student leadership class, which is not the case. It was a mixed group as some of the alumni have been saying. People please just read the messenger update, read the posts on here before giving stupid replies.
2:49 PM You've got to be kidding. During a game, they spend time giggling about how they screwed up part of a cheer; playing with each other's hair, talking, and primping. With that said, the girls this year are by far better than the ones from 2 year ago. Those girls acted as if cheering was getting in the way of standing around looking cool. I was on the girl's varsity team, my daughter was on a varsity team, and my son is on a varsity team. None of us spent time playing with our hair.
People from Decatur are convinced everyone envies them but as it turns out, we only resent your arrogance. This episode only confirms how truly arrogant some in Decatur are. Did the Principal and AD really think they could get away with this. I guess the run was good while it lasted.
I am Anon 10:38. My apologies. I assumed that the High School leadership class was the same as the Middle School Leadership class. The Middle School class taught by the same cheer sponsor (only cert. for PE) only has cheerleaders in it. My bad.The sad thing is that the current cheer sponsor, is one of the best we have had since they ran off Ms. Ford. Oh no, does this mean the 7th grade girls B-team district basketball championship will be STRIPPED?? Someone needs to call in the Texas Rangers.
I hate Mzchief!!!
Hey I heard this thread is about cheerleaders stripping, who brought the whipped cream? awww yeah
How do you know it is only cheerleaders; have you seen the roll sheet?Have you talked with Mrs. Reeves about this since everyone is talking about her?Why do you think this is trying to be kept quiet by the board and upper administration? Could it be because they are trying to make someone into the whipping boy (or the whipping girl, in this case)?Do you know that there is no curriculum? Have you sat in this particular class this year with this teacher?It's easy for everyone to make assumptions based upon rumor. If you don't know the facts of this particular situation, then speculating about them and taking rumors for fact is only making a bad situation much worse. After reading all of these blogs, it is disappointing to see how damaging anonymous comments are to many innocent people at DHS.Shame on those of you who seem more interested in spreading gossip and assuming the worst.
Anon 10:38 Did they win it? If so gotta go.Why make light of it as though it's not important?Rules are set up for a reason or so we tell our children.Or is the exception when its in our best interest to not follow them?If they have been getting extra practice time they have been put at a competitive advantage whether its shooting baskets,lifting weights, or running-something I'm sure the UIL will look into.Your attitude that since it's us it's not a big deal reminds me of the ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
3:39,As a former student at DHS, and took student leadership my senior year-I can assure you what the messenger is currently reporting is accurate. During my year in that class students were allowed to do as they wished-literally. I witnessed on a daily basis, football players, basketball players and track runners go to the field house or working out in the gym. As a former DHS athlete I worked out with many of these guys as well, during the student leadership class. Mrs. Reeves was well aware of this class-and the "activities" that went on, because on numerous occasions she came into our class and talked to some of the students. As we were friends with her son, who was at the time a senior and a varsity football player.
2:46 your comment is not grammatically correct. It should read, "I've read several of the comments and my question is: was English taught in Decatur High School?"
I am a former DHS student. The Messenger is reporting accurate information. Period.
SCHOOL BOARD MEETS TONIGHT. THERE IS AN OPEN COMMENT SECTION ON THE AGENDA. JUST SIGN UP WHEN YOU GET THERE TO SPEAK AND STATE YOUR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS. THIS IS A PRIVILEGE YOU HAVE. DON'T EXPECT ANY ANSWERS TONIGHT.
I understand that some students may show up tonight (with signs and chants none-the-less) at the School Board meeting. I guess their parents are either REALLY misinformed or are really STUPID to allow them to support this vicious queen of DHS.
Anyone supporting her, would have to be a friend of her or the family. Which would be a small amount of students at DHS. Presumably mostly athletes-football...And their parents of course.
Every frigging HS in Texas cheats on the UIL rules...who cares about that. I'm more concerned that the HS teaches "student leadership" as a for-credit course. At least they have to use math in home economics.Here's a thought - if it isn't math, science, history, language or social studies it shouldn't count as credit.
I truly appreciate the ex-students who are posting the truth. If the students are willing to do that then why won't some of the adults just admit that it happened and prepare to receive the consequences.
First of all, Most of you do not even know what you are talking about. Secondly, My daughter is a cheerleader, and I as well as my daughter, take many of these comments to offense. There is absolutely NOTHING going on about stripping. My daughter puts all of her time and effort in to cheerleading and I'd like to see you do half the stuff they do. Pricks.
I'm a dedicated Eagle Fan. I'd like to tip my hat to the 2006 Cheerleaders. They did an awesome job this season. I've never seen a better cheerleading squad walk through Decatur High School. Good Job Girls!
I agree, Coach Jason Williams is the best coach since Mrs. Ford.
Years ago I was in education in Wise County - mainly at Decatur. The young people there were the finest I have had the pleasure of working with. They did not need to cheat, nor did they that I saw. I also had a lot of contact with students from other schools in the county and they were exactly the same - fine young people - damn fine young people. The schools were extremely good for small schools. The teachers and admistrators were almost all very good at their jobs and dedicated to the students. I read this blog and the WCM to try to keep track of those I worked with. I have noticed that many here seem to be ready to attack the schools and staff anytime they get a chance. Now unless things have changed 100% over the years, you must not know how lucky you are. I bet your students are getting fine educations that will prepare them for the future. I bet the schools still are first rate. I know that there always bad apples - there were a few in the schools back in the day - and there are probably some now. But instead of going on the attack, get rid of the bad apples and support your young people and the schools. Damn, I hope things have not changed so much since I was lucky enough to live and work in Wise County. It was a fine place with fine schools then, and I would bet a dollar or two that it still is. I hope you realize how lucky you are - and that things are as good today as they were then. Good luck on this mess - but I bet that Wise County folks can handle it just fine.
5:55, what years did you teach in Decatur, or Wise County? Yes...things have changed tremendously since the early 1990s.I understand these "classes" have been provided for several years for some athletes. Quarterbacks were assigned as a teaching assis. to their head coach (watch game film time)... or to these student leadership classes so that additional time was available for practice, here and there. Parents or students who say otherwise, evidently were not privy to this information, or maybe it raised no red flags because many do not realize it is violation of UIL rules. Personally, I don't care WHO the administration is. If they are lying, breaking rules, then trying to cover their behavior with more lies...then they need to LEAVE our school system! I am very ashamed of anyone who is backing them and putting our kids at risk for learning such improper "professional" behavior! This is a "win at any cost" type of mentality and it is WRONG! The Board members were elected to right this and any other wrongs being committed. It is their duty to follow through even if no other speakers stand with them. Someone must have the backbone to make a stand and send a message that this behavior is NOT CONDONED here! I applaud their effors so far and they have my prayers for strength of convictions tonight and throughout their terms. Then again...SHAME on those members who KNEW years ago this was happening, yet chose to protect by covering up these illegal activities!
This blog has surely got confused. Some idiot has the cheerleading class controlled with the student leadership class and a lot of you are making yourself look like an idiot.
6:43,Yeah, if you would of read the posts 10:38 has already apologized for confusing the cheerleading class with the student leadership.
It is my understanding that the cheerleading class was actually a Student Leadership class. In Addition, there are other student leadership classes that were open to everyone...so quit bashing everyone & making them seem like an idiot when what they were saying was true. I tried not to get on here to contribute because you all are worse than children BUT I am tired of people bashing each other when they don't have all of the facts...maybe two people with different information can BOTH be right...IMAGINE THAT! No go do something constructive with your time instead of trashing people's character when you don't have any facts & don't know the people involved. I am going to wait patiently to find out the results of the inquiry.No I am not a family member but I do know the people involved & I know that they take their jobs pretty seriously...and they believe themselves to be people of integrity...so we will see what happens.May God have mercy on those involved & on US for taking such great pleasure in witnessing & participating in the fall of another. AMEN
Amen 7:12....very, very sad to hear the vicious attacks on the principal, AD, the high school, cheerleaders without first knowing the facts and most of you don't....
7:34,Like you know the facts? Do you go to the school? I do. Everything the ex-students have said is true. Where are you people getting this extra random cheerleading class that is actually a student leadership class?
How many of these kids in this class were athletes? How many got a 6.0 for the class, helping the athletes artifically raise their GPA? This is big, really big and I hope Decatur gets the UIL's version of the death penalty. Arrogance will meet its match.
I would say 85% of them in my class are athletes.
Student Leadership a 6.0 class are you kidding me...usually it is a non-gpa class. 6.0 classes require you to take the A/P test by the collegeboard or Dual credit class through Weatherford college. Quit speculating...you are showing that you have no idea how students raise their GPA.Also, 7:43 if you knew all of this was alleged was true...where were you with your righteous indigation to report it....It is probably really simple. Student Leadership is a blow off non gpa class that all students (not just athletes) want to take because the rest of their course load is heavy & they want a break...No EVIL motive there...sorry to disappoint you. Also my kids go to DISD & I was aware of the so called "random" cheeleading class that you are so sarcastic about...That is where this all started...but then again since you are so "in the know"...you must aready know that.Quit wishing harm on others...it is unattractive. If something bothers you then report it, but don't make things up just so you feel better about yourself. These people were doing the best they could at the time. If it wasn't good enough the will be disciplined...but don't put EVIL motives where there are none. It is just sad when one of our own (yes we are a community) falls.
6.0? that is crap. There is no 6.0 in college. Why is that even offered?
To get academic Scholarships for college...you have to take college level courses in high school...they are alot harder than the regular curriculum. They are on a 5.0 scale to weight them for difficulty. If you meet the additional requirements (dual credit or Collegeboard A/P test then it is weighted 6.0) They are alot harder. I know because my Child's hair breaks & falls out at the end of each semester from the courseload. It is sad that kids are pushed so much but that is what it takes if you want academic scholarships. Yes I have a senior & yes he or she got a significant academic sholarship to a good school. This is off topic but thought you might want to know what 7:47 was alleging.
I hope someone who goes to the meeting tonight will comment here and say what was actually discussed in public. Some people cannot get to that meeting.
4:49 pm - My son is a football player. He can not stand the principal. She's arrogant and unavailable to the majority.Regarding the 5:18 pm Mom - Nobody said that your girls are stripping. Some wiseguy was trying to be funny. Obviously he is a moron. Why else would someone make sexual remarks about underage females?
To 7:34....Right On!!!!!!
FYI...See WC Messenger article in regards to UIL violation decision by district executive committee and all pertaining toward the leadership class, athletes, coaches and cheerleading...www.wcmessenger.com
Here's the word. You guys are all way off. This class is disguised as a leadership class, but it is really a cult class to teach the athletes how to draw upon the powers from the underground. Here's what would happen: On game days the spirits required the sacrifice of a hog in order for them to help win the game. The hogs were funneled through the ag department for this purpose. The AD is the Grand Wizard and the principal the Queen Wizardess. It's a sad day in the name of religion.
I just attended the school board meeting regarding Ms. Reeves. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for saying such harsh words regarding the Decatur High School Principal. If any you went to the school board meeting, you would have seen the overwelming support for Mrs. Reeves from the student body, teachers, and community. I have had the priveledge to meet Mrs. Reeves. She is one of the finest, most caring woman I know. I have the upmost respect for her. You all are acting like children, bashing others when you do not even know the facts. I'm positive that all of you have made mistakes in your life. Did you receive a second chance? Thats what I thought.
I attended the meeting as well, and became overwhelmed with laughter at seeing the amount of supporters that were either related to or family friends of the Reeves family. Once again, the witch has been able to stay in her position. What a joke.
Anon 9:20 Just because you've met her and she had some support there tonight, doesn't mean she is a good person. I know her very well and have the entire ten years she has been here and you are wrong. She is only nice to certain people, she does not discipline fairly or fairly enforce rules. There are her favorites. And she is not honest at all.
9:20, second chance? that's a laugh! you have NO IDEA what all this system has gotten away with! Gullible people who fall for a smile and humbleness.... only when they are caught! DISD needs to clean house! Too much has gone on over the last several years... clean house and let's start new.
I have also know her since she got here 11 years ago. Fact is if you are not an immediate benifit to her then you are of no use to her. Mrs. Decatur is all about Mrs. Decatur - period.
9:20....don't make comments like that until you know all your facts.
9:20,I don't get it.. What, you meet her once at the meeting tonight-and you think she is a great person? Wow. Great judge of character you have..
....so fill us in, what happened at the board meeting?
To m&m...*ROTFLOLHysterically@*9:19*BOTH of YOUR comments are SPOT ON!
Figures it would only be a matter of time before good ole' mzchief bitch chimed in.
To anonyNOTHING 10:24..."Figures it would only be a matter of time before good ole' YOU bitch chimed in" to make an OFF TOPIC comment about MZCHIEF. SUCKS to be YOU!
anon at 10:24..........once again, loser! You just don't get it, do you. You look so foolish trying to take on someone far superior to you in intellect. And I don't have a clue who either of you are. You are a funnynothing.
shut up, mzchief
Cheerleading is not a UIL affiliated activity.
Yappidy, Yappidy, Yap. How about some explicit information about exactly what went on at the school board meeting? Please, how about facts, not opinions or off topic drivel.
I attended the meeting and WOW...let me tell yall, it was Crazy Dr. G. FLIPPED, he ripped off his shirt and startend screaming. I recoreded and i have and exacte quote, he was like "IM GONNA BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN" Then i heard one of the board members say, "You Better not, You better not."...Then they just all took a vote and got rid of his ass. Who liked that prick any ways!!!
You people need much better things to do with your time than sit around bashing other people for what you believe they have done wrong! Every single school that i know of has some sort of class that is known as a "blow off class" Every student needs some time during the day to relax or maybe catch up on school work. This years Decatur Cheerleaders are by far the best I have seen in the last few years. How many years has it been since you have seen a Decatur Cheerleader displaying bad sportsmanship. A couple! This situation wasn't even about the Cheerleaders though! It was about the Student leadership class. This class period had no curriculum therefore the students jobs were to be of assistance when needed. The studentsin this class did a can food drive and helped with the poinsettas. They did do some things*Please do not sit around and talk badly about the people involved. These are wonderful people!!! Try being the principal to a school with close to 1000 students in it! This has to be hard work. Dealing with trouble makers everyday, ultimatly your going to make some enemies. A person who is doing what is best for the school can not please everyone!
So was she REASSIGNED or not????
"Every single school that i know of has some sort of class that is known as a "blow off class" Every student needs some time during the day to relax or maybe catch up on school work."So this makes it ok?? She KNEW about the blow off class and allowed it to continue therefor she wasted not only school money but she put the students in a position where they not only didn't learn - in the end they didn't recieve credits. I expect more from our school leaders than at the leaast turning a blind eye and at the most supporting slacking.
Leave you SquareHead we hate you Mzcreep!!!
Is this turning into the bureaucratic farce that some predicted? Will a handful of emotional supporters divert the Board of Trustees from taking the principal out of her job? We hope not. Our sense of obligation to duty goes beyond street demonstrations and must be correct. The board dares not keep Reeves in place after Jason Williams, the teacher involved, has been fired. That would be an intolerable corrupion of this mess and the board should be recalled if it goes that way.
Anon 12:20 I pity you if you think HS students need a "blow-off" class...that's called "lunch". HS is not hard for the majority of the kids enrolled. A can-drive and poinsetta sale should never count as credit.
"BLOW OFF CLASSES"? Sure! This is but one instance of how we have been scammed by Reeves. There are other such classes at the school, taught by uncertified teachers and they all add up to a management base that gets Reeves higher pay. The numbers of teachers managed is part of the matrix that also allows one to get so many assistant principals that the main stooge never needs to show up fror work. Another common characteristic of the Reeves administration. Again ... OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK (against us).
jason williams was in class yesterday, so please stop lying and saying he had been fired. that proves anything you say is a lie.
They way you people treat each other is amazing to me. What happens on this blog is exactly why so many fine people get out of education and political roles. I don't even know any of the people involved, but here is what I believe:Nobody with an IQ over 10 would believe anything written on here.If you work with our kids...Thank you, you are appreciated!What we should be doing is praying that all involved will be blessed with wisdom through these difficult times. You will be amazed at how much better you feel when you lift people up rather than try to bring them down.God Bless and Merry Christmas!
Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. I have worked in a school the size of Decatur, and OF COURSE the AD, every coach, every administrator, every teacher, and everyone else tied to that high school knew what those students were and were not doing in that class and how it violated UIL rules. WAKE UP, DECATUR!
thinking about going postalneed prozac
to all you coward anonymous posters on here......there were 20 people at the meeting last night that spoke in support of reeves, and several falculy members, some whom e ven had signs of support. NOT ONE person spoke against reeves.SO all you chicken $hit, coward posters who can talk crap out here and not back up....YOU my friends are the problem at decatur.no, i am not a fan of reeves, but i also dont belittle someone and not back it up. every one of you who say how bad she is or gindt is, have no backbone and are 100 percent cowards hiding behind a computer screen.
9:30 - you are partially right. Public meetings usually are controlled by a few "motivated" activists. They are the "vocal" but not necessarily the most informed. While it would be difficult to express a counter position in that environment, that does not mean the "anonymous" complainers on this blog don't have a legitimate beef. It's, indeed, a shame they don't feel secure enough to show up and speak up at these meetings.
Any moron who believes that public confrontation over wrong-doings of public officials is the only way to express themselves is oblivious to reality. No conclusion has been reached as a result of the board meeting last night. There are people who have posted their feelings, concerns and opinions here because it is a place to do so. Some of the same may be teachers and students who have every reason to fear retalliation from the accused and are entitled to make their remarks anonymously. You are as "chickenshit" as anyone you complain about because you have not given your real name to accept responsibility for the dumb criticisms you leveled on the posters here. If you ever reach adulthood, someday read the First Amendment and try to find someone with a brain to interpret it for you.
So mr. G. did get fired after his OUT BURST..The update says that he has been sent to the nut house...what an idiot
10:05 - Just which anonymous posters are you criticizing (including yourself)? And calling folks "chickenshit" seems to add nothing to the discussion. Get to the facts, contact the Board members, and hope they are intelligent enough to take the appropriate actions.
From the update:NO UIL PENALTIES – The Decatur athletic program will not face any forfeiture of games this school year because of a University Interscholastic League infraction. The decision was made by the 8-3A District Committee headed by Sanger Supt. Jack Biggerstaff. The problem surfaced when two female athletes used a “leadership class” that was designed for cheerleading to work out in another sport. Decatur athletic director Kyle Story and Supt. Gary Gindt said there were no organized practices for any sport. The UIL committee agreed with Gindt’s recommendation that students in the leadership classes taught by Jason Williams receive no credit for the fall semester and for the classes to be dropped for the spring semester. Williams is also the cheerleader sponsor. So I was right in saying that 1. It is a Student Leadership/Cheerleader class and 2. It involved Cheerleader/Athletes.
Has anybody heard anything regarding the resignation Jason Williams at DHS this morning?
NICE TRY BUT NO CIGAR!For all the great advice about making a public protest at the Trustee meeting to rant and rave about the potential dismissal of Mrs. Reeves, it was all for naught. From the UPDATE: "Board president David Pierce thanked the public for their time and passion in speaking, but said the board only has the ability to hire and fire the district’s superintendent; any other staffing decisions would be up to his discretion."Are any of you pro-Reeves zealots going to picket Gindt's office until he does what you want? Doubtful. Bad weather out there.
11:00 am - Huh?? I thought that Reeves is staying. Why would the pro-Reeves zealots need to picket?
According to the Messenger's first article, Gindt apparently made the decision to relieve her and I haven't heard any change to that.
It is a FACT that this "class" that did no state or local curriculum existed....that athletes did use it for extra practice time. So...ok, the UIL decided not to punish. However, that "class" was not an overlooked mistake on Reeves' part. It has existed for SEVERAL years, it is just that she (they) got CAUGHT this year! Teachers there knew all about the class. IF they didn't then they are new to the system and were not "Informed" of it yet. ONLY 20 or so people showed up to support her. I hope the board/superintendent take into consideration the MANY VERY GOOD teachers who have left the DISD because of her lack of real leadership and her unfair treatment of students. Not many in the community really KNOW what goes on in the educational setting here, but teachers sure do, and if you think for one minute they are not "strongly urged" to keep their mouths shut about certain issues...then you are mistaken. It is definitely time for a new principal. We have lost way too many good teachers who kept our school in the EXCELLENCE rating. Just this past year there was a turnover of about 20 teachers in DHS alone. Hmmmmmm...that is about how many showed up to support her at the meeting. Maybe after a few more months...even they might not be so supportive. I hope and pray that she is either reassigned or better yet, removed. NO...I was not at the meeting...and anyone who has been around here long enough knows that opponents won't show up to be pummeled by the opposing side. It has nothing to do with being "chicken" but does have to do with common sense!
Everyone on both sides of this issue need to remember that the board and superintendent don't have to discuss or vote, in open forum, the reassignment of personnel. If you were talking about firing, however, that would have to be voted on. Teachers are commonly reassigned duties and classes from year to year based on the school's needs without any public comment at a board meeting. That decision is left up to the principal. And just as the principal has the right to assign teachers from year to year as she/he sees fit without comment, the Superintendent has the same authority over his administrators. Just because nothing was said in open forum last night doesn't mean that Melinda is going to remain as principal for the longterm foreseeable future. As David Pierce stated, that is entirely up to the superintendent who has the sole authority reassign members of his adminstrative staff. Just because he didn't say last night, doesn't mean he's not going to do it or at least continue to assess the situation and do what he decides is in the best interests of the district.
you can't depend on the messenger to print the truth they will print whatever sells papers without checking the facts. the little pencil pushing editor is the worst
Brothers and sisters. We are blogging here today in the presence of the most abject company. This whole dilemma remains an enigma. Dogmatic individuals who are too indolent to solve the problem and not cognizant enough to know what it is should cease the chicanery of others' lives. Be less judicious and more benevolent. Your jocular remarks are not innocuous. Good Honk! Tis the season.
Very pretensive....NOT IMPRESSED!
Listen here 7:57 Maybe what you meant was pretentious(which means showy, pompous, and ostentatious). Really this is not about you. No offense, you are not the focus. This is about the lion, the witch and the wardrobe-- or, in this case, the pigs, the devil, and the wizards! Obviously you are not wearing Prada. We will put it in your enriched vocabulary, BACK OFF PRICK! Let these people go!
if the messenger made it up, then why did gindt turn the district in for uil wrongdoing?your clueless
they both MEAN the same thing, 8:26! not sure who you think you are, but obviously you are too caught up in your own little mind to understand what is at stake with this situation. Go read your thesarus and learn more synonyms...but leave this topic alone.
Webster, pretensive is not a word...(which by the way is how you use an ellipsis) I assure you. Also I have not once tonight consulted a thesaurus, nor do I need one. I realize the enormity of the situation and again it really has nothing to do with you at all. BOP
I know the enormity of the situation:director of curriculumdirector of personnelsuperintendentAnyone checked into this?
Questions to answer:Who approved the high school schedule and curriculum for the "leadership" class?Who approved the hiring of uncertified personnel and WHY are the fingers pointing at him?
Looks like my comment about the WCM on the previous blog about this subject (the first comment) was correct--as usual--WCM not getting it right. If you physically point out the sun rising in the east to the WCM, they'll find some way to quote "an insider" or "a courthouse observer" who says the sun rises in the west--if it serves their purpose to right a story about the sun rising in the west. In other words, WCM will do WHATEVER it takes to write a story in order to make it "come out" the way they want it--regardless of minor things like the truth, validity, accuracy, or fairness.
Edit--write for right.
All of you are jumping to conclusions that have no logical basis. First, the reassignment of REeves is only a rumor even the underhanded publication that printed it said so. Only 9 people know the truth. Since Gindt made no personnel recommendations except to create a new position called director of student services, the final verdict has not been publicized. Also, the update said it was two female athletes in the cheerleading class. The other student leadership classes are irrelevant to the current issue. Football isn't even involved. And to me it sounds like a situation where, in the event that the cheerleaders had a free day, (although it is obvious by their routines that they do this rarely), the two cheerleader/athletes asked to go shoot around. I have done this during the school day before when I had nothing eles to do. It's not a big deal. I could do my homework in that class and shoot at home on a crooked goal with the wind blowing and get a cold or go shoot in the gym and do my homework at home. It wasn't an attempt to get an advantage on the rest of Texas, it was an attempt to relinquish boredom. But like always, Decatur blew everything entirely out of proportion. It reminds of driving at night coming home from reunion and a police officer will pull you over saying you "license plate light is out". Gindt is just looking for a reason to get rid of Reeves and he has been ever since he got here. Odd that he has more power than the board, when he barely knows the first thing about Decatur and the majority of the members have lived her 15 years and some are even graduates of DHS. Why are we giving more power to an outsider than we give our own community?
Speaking of good teachers and programs DHS has to offer, has anyone considered the turnover rate in the past 9-10 years? The numbers each year rest somewhere between 15 and 21 (THIS YEARS NEW HIRES). And I'm sure that's all on record somewhere. That should speak volumes. Consider why there leaving. It ain't money, folks!
How many years have they offered a cheer class? I know some girls in it a few years ago. How many years did they give the (illegal) PE credit to those gals in it. How many times were they told not to do it.The old addage of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" just don't seem to apply here.
Hey 9:26, and did you notice how many of those supporters at the meeting were brand new teachers at DHS? They're scared and fear for their jobs.
Amen, 10:39! Great analogy. Gindt is after Mrs. Reeves, but after all of this, who do you really think has the power-Mrs. Reeves, a Decatur native, Dr. Gindt, or the school board? Hopefully something good will come of this bad situation as all things happen for a reason.
7:14, did you get paid by the syllable?
Something good will come from this situation ONLY when parties involved become honest and trustworthy AND when people are held accountable for their actions. That might take someone admitting fault--assuming a mistake has been made (HA!)-- instead of pointing HIS/ her finger at others. As far as I have seen in Decatur... don't hold your breath. In the past it has been a "bring down the house" escapade where the domino effect comes into play any time someone's job/ actions are questioned. The idea becomes, "Oh, darn! Who can I bring down with me?!!!" Guilty persons become head hunters. In order to be free from this turmoil, I am forced to say, "COUNT ME OUT!"
I still believe we are missing people from the firing squad line-up. ie. Those who approve schedules and those who hire employees should also be questioned. What is wrong with bringing down the house?Or perhaps our community are being led by several corrupt entities. Will we quit fighting it and accept corruption?
Correction: community "is" (not "are"). Subject-verb agreement is key
Then we have tne shallow, vain, invading Jabberwock exposing lofty, superfluous garbage without meaning or purpose, who quickly reaches his mental limit and resorts to cursing. Must be a DHS grad...what?
Mark my words, folks. (I've been around the block too many times here).... NOTHING will come of this except a little slap on the hand. 8:14, you are correct. There IS too much corruption and we need to CLEAN HOUSE! Lies, deceit, unfair punishment or unfair "turning the other cheek" abounds in DISD. The "rules" are only for some... for the others, coverups ensue. If you have read all of the posts on this topic, you will see some that bring to light only some of the REAL events that HAVE taken place with this regime. I cannot believe these people have not been FIRED many times before...and now when events FINALLY DO come to light and are publicized ...STILL nothing happens. No accountability... no professional "class" in our system anymore. It has become a circus of finger pointing and "I'll get you if you get me!" I feel sorry for the new staff in DHS... those who have been around for a while know how to turn this stuff off because nothing will really come of it.... the new ones ... "buckle your seatbelt; you're in for a bumpy ride!"
10:45,In regards to the high turnover rate, I can assure you that most of these teachers have left due to the current central office administration. If I left, it wouldn't be because of Mrs. Reeves!
In a corrupt system like DISD, it all really all goes to who has the cell phone photos (used to be polaroids). That's where the power is.
Let's just say that Meterology class with a certain female coach was very sexy. Especially on game days after class, we all stayed behind during lunch and "studied".. Good times at Decatur High.
When my kids were in school, which wasn't very long ago, homeroom was the class where you did your homework, read your notes, study for a test, academic things like that. It's not lunch as a previous poster stated, that should be time to unwind, that's the time to eat lunch in a hurry.
Well.. During lunch we didn't study. We had a little fun with the teacher. Of course the Reeve mister didn't know that.
Anon 12:45 My point was that HS students don't need time to "unwind" - good grief, if they think the six hours of class time they have is hard, how are they going to handle work? I would give my eyeteeth to have the amount of free time students have.
6:45... point taken, I was referring to the "goof off class" that they referred to as the leadership class. which my kids used homeroom as their goof off class. I totally agree with you regarding the free time kids have.
Dearest 8:23, Words cannot express my true feelings as I reblog to you. I think Charles Dickens said it best when he said in the words of Tiny Tim, "God bless everyone except for you, you selfish, insensitive hog."
Got to you, didn't I? Simple tests for simple minds. LOL!Sincerely, 8:23
9:51, I can assure YOU that those people have NOT left DHS because of Central Administration. If asked, they'll tell you too. I have asked; I know! In fact, many still remain Wise County Residents. You see, their families weren't uprooted to where they HAD to leave DHS, they stayed put, and found jobs within driving distance. (Any of you out there listening - can I get a witness?). And, when I leave, it won't be because of Central Administration, either. It will be because I can no longer allow the unethical, manipulative behavior, coupled with the constant lies and coverups regarding student GPAs, class ranks (talk about a revolving door), schedule changes, credit manipulation to suit one's own friends and family, discipline coverups, coersion...I'm out of breath, tired, and ready to throw in the towel. Next year's turnover rate is likely to break this year's record...if something isn't done to right the wrongs of many, many long years.
It sounds like the Superintendent and School Board need to turn over a rock or two and see what's really going on up there on the hill.Don't you owe it to the few teachers left from last year and the year before, and most importantly, the students, to check into this - consider Dr. Gindt's concerns as valid.There are enough plaques on the wall for now. Let's get back to caring about the kids and what's truly in their best interest - the interests of all students.And, if you, too, care, contact your favorite board member and share your concerns. The quiet are not necessarily the minority on this issue.And, seriously, about that turnover rate. You'd think a brand new, beautiful building such as theirs would have caused more people to stay, and you say it's the highest turnover rate so far under current reign?? What's up with that?
Wait 9:26!!! Did you just say that the current administration manipulates GPAs and class ranks? Sweet!! In that case, I want to be the salutatorian of my class and I'm not doing any homework ever again!! (I can assure you this is not happening...The tops of every class are there because they are the hardest workers. Often times, the valedictorian is far from the smartest kid in the class. However, we have wonderful teahcers who push us to give our best even with substandard circumstances. Too bad many of them will leave or lose morale if the superintedent decides to screw up...AGAIN!!) This was one thing when you were talking bad about the employess of the district, but this has gone too far!! The students at DHS are some of the hardest working you will ever meet. That is why we are the best. Not because 2 girls went to shoot some freethrows!! Stick your nose in the business on your side of the bridge and stay out of ours!! I have an idea...Why don't you go up to the local barber shop and talk to your has-been friends about how jealous you are of us?
Well, salutatorian wannabe - you're in the right school, just wrong class. There are far too many out there who ARE NOT valedictorians and salutatorians who can attest to that - and especially their parents. Did you read my post - I didn't day anything about valedictorians or salutatorians anyway.And, since I CAN assure you that this HAS happened, what qualifies you out there to assure me it isn't happening?And, again, you're not reading: I have nothing bad to say about the district employees nor the Central Administration.And, your ability to read between the lines is lacking - I don't reside to the West of the Sandy.You're right - it has gone too far, and needs to stop. Our children ARE NOT being treated fairly, and our teachers deserve better.If the Superintendent and Board chooses to sit on their hands, it will be too bad, because the good ones will leave; the ones with ethics, morals and character.
When did this supposedly happen? I happen to be very competitive with grades and I know that everyone in my class that is ahead of me has worked hard to get there...What would be the advantage of changing a GPA in the bottom 90 anyways? They walk in alphabetical order...So you may not be from B'Port, but I'm sure a lot of these posters are...-Apparently in "the wrong class"
11:10, I am yet another teacher who has already left DHS. I understand 10;29's posts because they are true. Classes were created and put on the higher point rankings. Have you not read ALL of the posts on this topic? I know there are many, but if you will read them all, you will read more about these classes that were formed/then dissolved later a few years ago. Believe me, many teachers raised heck about it, but teachers are NOT in charge of what occurs in that building. The principal is to oversee and is held accountable for ANYTHING that occurs in "her" building. It was she who created some of these classes and the counselors did as they were told. This "investigation" has uncovered only the tip of a large PILE that has continually been swept under the rug. Our school system has lost its integrity. The teachers have done a tremendous job over the years to keep ALL students their focus and priority. I assure you, that has not been the focus of the principal. Only a very few are within her sights. Unfortunate, yes..... but it can be fixed only IF this reassignment brings about a principal with ethics and fair treatment that will be the umbrella over ALL students.
I would simply like to make a comment.To whoever posted the comment about the meteorology class, you are a bold faced liar. I knew that "sexy" teacher and considered her a friend. I even visited her classroom on a regular basis. If it makes you feel better to say that you had anything more than a friendly teacher/student relationship with her, then keep that kind of crap in the locker room where maybe some other stupid testosterone drunk idiot will believe you. Do not drag the name of a good person through the mud, because you want to feel like the stud who got the hot teacher. Like I said, I knew her well and you are only reliving some of your "night-time dreams" confusing reality for REM.
Send Hamilton and Baker in to investigate, and then make recommendations for a new course of action!
There are so many ignorant comments on this blog subject. I do know this....Gary Gindt obviously has the red ass after Mrs. Reeves. He took a molehill and made a freaking mountain out of it. Things like that happen all the time in schools...all schools. Dr. Gindt should have quietly handled and corrected the situation as most other colleagues in his position do. As for all the personal attacks on Mrs. Reeves, that is cowardly and really of poor debate quality. Your points, when they become personal, are lost.
mrs.reeves nust go..she has always ran off the good teachers who have the best interset of "your" children. this isnt a new thing with melinda, this has been going on for years.she's lucky and the school board also, that some of the ex-teachers haven't filed lawsuits on them.but they are far better off not being in the decatur school system.
When a fish is dying, it begins stinking at the head first.
Ummmm... let's see ... Kyle Story started the FIRST leadership class when he came to Decatur for Varsity Football. The cheerleaders and principal (while she is by no means a saint) are taking the fall for this one) and are taking the attention away from the REAL athletic leadership classes. Come on people - wake up!
It's a LOST cause to believe that actions of integrity will once again be the intent of the Board. This turned into an absolute absurdity! 20 people showing up to 'beg' the Board/Superintendent is NOT a majority! The community felt that FINALLY something would be done by administration and that they had FINALLY found "balls" enough to do the right thing. Alas.... wrong again. More controversy... more sweeping under the rug.... and the community loses again. What happened to ILLEGAL meaning .... well.... ILLEGAL??????????
OK 11:05 pm, Coach Story DID NOT start the first student leadership class. That's just a lie. I was there, when it began, and it WAS NOT started by any coach. It began in the Language Arts Department, and was ORIGINALLY intended to be a true leadership course. Since then, it's failed miserably, and should have been done away with years ago. PE or fine arts credit should have NEVER been offered for this course. When PE credit was offered a year or two ago for cheer class, and the hand was slapped, they should have known NOT to do it again. Those assigning credit and responsible for overseeing that process should be the ones concerned for their jobs.
Excuse me 8:43 - but he did start the first ATHLETIC Leadership class for Varsity Football the period prior to Varsity athletics ... hello...not talking about the Leadership classes held for all students thru different departments at the school ... sorry I stepped on your Shakespearean toes but gets your facts straight or maybe just stick to English - obviously you haven't a clue about what was going on down at the Field House.
1:18 amYou obviously have a personal issue with a coach. I'm bowing out gracefully as you continue your personal attacks and sarcasm for others on this blog.What a shame!New leadership is needed at the high school to get things back on track, fair and equal, legal, ethical...PERIOD!
The AD knows. He has his QB's come in and watch film with him during there leadership class. Also, has anyone ever driven buy during the spring to see every coach on the field coaching football at 445, around 1 hour after the kids should be gone.
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