8.21.2009

Follow Up From Yesterday

Not that he didn't deserve the sentence, but most of the evidence indicates no one really gave a rat's arse about him as a kid. Which got me to thinking, we all go crazy when we watch parents be bad parents or, worse, absentee parents. And our universal concern is that if we don't nurture a child at every moment, bending over backwards to teach right from wrong, that "the child won't stand a chance" when he grows up. But when that neglected child does grow up and, as predicted, acts just like we thought he would because he never had a chance, we come down on him like a ton of bricks. Yeah, double murder is a bad example but let's put it in the context of other crimes. Drug use. Theft. Assault. We, as a society, just turn our noses up at the "bad childhood defense" when, right now, we can go out to Walmart in Decatur and point out 10 kids that are guaranteed to be in the criminal justice system.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

short of putting bad parents to death before they raise bad kids, what's your solution?

Anonymous said...

If you let meat go bad do you still try and cook it or do you throw it out.

If it's not too bad we will cook it and give it to the dogs, they don't seem to care (sorry PETA).

Anonymous said...

10?? How about 25!

Unfatcat said...

You got a point Barry. Bad parenting is the cause of most crime and it is just a vicious cycle. Don't know that the death penalty is the answer though. A lot of states that don't have it have a lower murder rate than Texas as I'm sure you know. Then there is California....No accounting for them.

Anonymous said...

I do not give a rat's arse how bad this kid's upbringing was, he knew better than to kill.

So did Steven York, and they are gonna fry them both.

Anonymous said...

Exactly my thoughts Barry. I grew up in a culture that bred and produced crime. Thank God for teachers who influenced me into climbing out of the gutter that produced me. My closest childhood friend that I retreated from when I reached adolescence ended up in prison for murder.The saying "show me your friends and I will show you your future" hits the nail on the head.

Coming from where I did, I still have to say that we must protect society from people like my childhood friend.

One more saying, this one from Tennyson, "I am part of all that I have met."

Hang him high.

Anonymous said...

Precisely the reason you should have to take a test and be issued a license prior to having children. All unwanted accidents, and unplanned pregnancies by those who can't afford, or are incapable raising the child should be aborted. The only solution better than this would be to abort the parents.

At least by putting Broadnax to death the cycle is broken.

Anonymous said...

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken adults." Lot of truth to that statement. A meaningful social safety net now, including health care and education, is a hell of a lot better and cheaper in the long run than warehousing problems and cleaning up messes later.

Anonymous said...

Does it not seem many of the societal problems we see now began to manifest soon after Spock told parents not to beat their kids?

Please, for the love of Mike, beat the little assholes when they act the shit.

Mr Rogers

Bob in Belton said...

We are all born with a moral compass but we might choose to ignore it. I grew up with loving parents who did everything to teach me right and wrong and lead me to make good choices but I didn't always choose the right choice. Should my parents be punished? There is no way in the world, at least in this country, that someone cannot know murder is wrong.

I don't think killing this kid will solve the problem though. Shame on us for being so self-righteous that we think it's right and fair to kill either an unborn baby or a murderer.

Anonymous said...

FRY EM'.......................FRY EM" I SAY!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Outlaw abortion. Most kids do NOT know what they are doing when they get one. Too many folks in this world would love to nurture and provide for a child. Educate them after the first, and castrate their ass on the second.

Deep fry their ass for murder. You all know these freaks know better I do not care about the background. we have made excuses for this bullshit for too long. If they steal cut their hand off. A bunch of this crap can be avoided.

I'll guarantee there is a man in Decatur that I still call daddy that would have broke Steven York of the habit. Cause he would have whipped him to the point he couldn't have lit that next crackpipe.

wordkyle said...

Perhaps children should be taught right and wrong in school, maybe even that there are consequences for their actions. Johnson's "Great Society" programs, rendering fathers -- especially black fathers -- unnecessary, contributed more to the increase in single motherhood and the resulting crime rate in America than anything else. Another example of the unintended consequences of Liberal Democrat policies.

Anonymous said...

"'cause I need to watch things die,
from a distance....
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies.
You all need it too, don't lie."

Anonymous said...

Ther are plenty of people who were not raised by caring parents who make it in this world. That is just an excuse.

Not so Wise in the County said...

But I believe it goes far further than that, we live in a world of good enoughs and shallow relationships. When I was a kid (30 years ago) I didnt have to worry about a note coming home from school or hiding what I had done in town on Friday night, Mom and Dad knew before my foot hit the threshold, and when my Dad was a kid his dad actually drove to the school one afternoon after being called in off his tractor (no cells phones then so it was an effort to tell him) to deal with a situation of misbehaviour at school. I would hope that if someone saw my kid doing something they shouldnt be doing that they would call me, but I fear that just like I am afraid to call when I see something they will also too... this is all because we live in a world of shallow relationships and non-personal communication. and as for Good Enough... we all settle for what we can get versus what we really want.

Anonymous said...

One cannot blame their parents forever. At some point, we are all responsible for our own actions regardless of how inferior our parents might have been. Just sayin.

Anonymous said...

Well said Barry. I have watched kids grow up knowing they did not have a chance and they didn't. One question Barry - how do you stand to read all the negative, uneducated, stupid comments that you receive daily??? 12:25 and l:10 are just scary and 1:12 - I think he is suggesting that we cut off hands, beat children to near death (maybe that is what is wrong with him). I guess he doesn't know that is a crime also....The other 1:12 -is he blaming mothers, blacks or Democrats???? Disgusting.

Anonymous said...

If we just outlawed niggers and sent 'em back to Africa the murder rate would drop 82%.

I'm not advocating, just doin' the math

Anonymous said...

Myself, a younger sister and 2 younger brothers were literally dropped off at a childrens home when I was 5 years old. Raised by the state and various foster homes.

All 4 of us have college degrees with one being a school superintendant, another owns a home healthcare company, another is a CPA and I am retired career military getting a masters in education.

So much for parental upbringing.

Anonymous said...

WordTurd, just when you start making a little bit of sense in some of your comments and I think there might be a heart beating way deep down in your chest, you make a sweeping generalization about "the unintended consequences of Liberal Democrat policies" as if such a very complex and multi-faceted societal problem can be laid at the feet of one party.

Whatever credibility you might otherwise have evaporates because your opinions are predicated on the unyielding belief that liberals and/or Democrats are always wrong, bad, evil, un-American, etc.

You're better than that, I hope. Think about it.

Anonymous said...

{Insert Self-affirming political belief} is why we must protect the children or else they will become double-murderers.

P.S.
Lack of discipline and administration's inability to hold individuals accountable in our compulsory education system is why we can't have nice things.

M-M said...

Despite ones' upbringing, one reaches an age when they are completely responsible for their own actions and they know the difference between right and wrong.

Anonymous said...

Amen, 2:36. I'm sick of hearing everyone blame parents for the screw-ups of kids. Many live in vile circumstances and overcome. No pity for the adult criminal who tries to blame it on their upbringing. It's called taking responsibility for one's own actions. On another note...a "spanking" is NOT a "beating". And kids need to be spanked when they misbehave until they are old enough to be able to reason with and take priveleges away. Lack of discipline has not created murderers, but a generation of selfish, narcissistic young adults who believe the world should revolve around them, and it simply doesn't.

Anonymous said...

The death penalty's days are numbered. 50 years from now we will look back and wonder what the hell we were thinking executing people.

The problem with the death penalty is that it is NOT punsishment, it is retribution. Punishment is meant to TEACH someone not to do something again. If we kill them, how can they learn anything?

Bottom line, human nature tells us to seek revenge and retribution. When a jury sentences someone to die, I have a lot of trouble believing that they are "punishing" that person. I tend more to believe that they are giving the guy "what he deserves." And that, my friends is retribution, not punishment.

Don't like that argument? Well put this in your pipe....since you Republicans like to save all that government cash, then abolish the death penalty because it is CHEAPER to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life than it is to put them on death row. Yes, that is what I said.....CHEAPER. Don't believe me, look it up. There are plenty of studies that show this is true.

Reason??? Mainly because there is a very expensive and extensive mandatory appeals process that comes with a death sentence. The defendant cannot waive the appeals process. When it's all said and one, it would have been cheaper to just lock him up and throw away the key.

One final thought for all you pro-death penalty Bible thumpers out there. When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, there was that one that says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I just checked by Bible, and there is not "except when someone kills someone else and the goverment is punishing that person" written in parenthesis beside it. I tend to think that being pro-death penalty is very un-Christian. What would Jesus do? I guaran-damn-tee you he would not be pro-death penalty.

Anonymous said...

Barry is exactly right- you don't have to like it but, if you can argure the point, you totally missed the point.
Your world is too small and too black and white and the real world is neither.

Anonymous said...

This reads like a Johnny Cash song...my advice is to simply shop at Target, kids who shop there turn out much better than those at WalMart.

Sam

Anonymous said...

Shoot him the juice.!
Goodbye.

wordkyle said...

203 - I'm blaming Democrats. Blacks were the primary vicitms of Democrat social engineering; you should be disgusted.

215 - Sorry you don't like my conclusions. Here's how I arrived at them.

1) People do more of what you pay them to do. This (admittedly old) census report showed that nearly half of AFDC recipients were never-married mothers; that AFDC recipients had their first child at a younger age; and that AFDC recipients had more children than non-AFDC recipients.

2) Children raised in single-parent households have a host of problems, including an increased chance of committing a crime. Here's an article delineating some of those problems.

3) LBJ and his Democrat Congresses expanded eligibility requirements for various welfare programs in the 1960s, making it more economically viable to be a single mother. An increase in crime, illegitimate births, and other social ills increased dramatically in subsequent years as a(n) (unintended) result. QED

Anonymous said...

313 I believe you can waive your right to appeal, how about the guy in FtW about 10 years ago who killed the lawyer and he was executed about a year after getting to death row..the problem is the legal system designed by lawyers to drag the appeals out for years and years.

Anonymous said...

2:15 - good comments on Wordkyle.

How stupid to think a political party is RESPONSIBLE for wayward children.

Republicans don't have problems with kids too?

Idiot.

Anonymous said...

Many years ago I was drinking coffee with former Wise County State Representative William "Wild Bill" Coody. The topic of the death penalty came up. His opinion (with a little tongue in cheek) was that if the public, through a jury system, levied the ultimate punishment of death, then the punishment,like the trial, should be public and highly visible. He suggested it was completely appropriate to revert to hanging on the courthouse lawn, for all to see. I now embrace this approach. Public trial, public death. There is no such thing as a "polite" or "humane" death penalty. Death is death. Don't try to dress it up. After the final appeal (with every legal requirement observed), let them swing. And no, that is not cruel or unusual.

My Other Brother Darryl

Anonymous said...

I think kids have a better chance of growing up ok if they have a stable home enviornment, but that does not necessarily mean they won't screw up.

And I've seen kids come from alcoholic homes with other kinds of abuse, who turned out to be some of the best citizens around.

A lot of it depends on luck.

Just pure luck.

Good or bad.

Xanthippas said...

Perhaps children should be taught right and wrong in school, maybe even that there are consequences for their actions. Johnson's "Great Society" programs, rendering fathers -- especially black fathers -- unnecessary, contributed more to the increase in single motherhood and the resulting crime rate in America than anything else. Another example of the unintended consequences of Liberal Democrat policies.

Wordkyle, that's the stupidest comment you've ever left on this blog (and that's saying something.) I would say conservatively, roughly 75% of convicted criminals grew up in bad homes, with awful parents or no parents at all. I know parents now who's kids I would bet you will get in trouble with the law at some point, because their parents are useless, negligent, abusive, lazy, or just downright stupid. And if they manage to stay out of jail, they will still mostly grow up to make bad decisions that prevent them from getting out of the same rut their parents were in. We need to come down like a stack of bricks on somebody for sure, but it's these lazy and negligent parents who ought to be jailed for their behavior. Instead most of us take a hands-off approach; we have family and friends who treat their kids like crap but we don't say anything and we don't lift a hand to help. And people like you bitch and moan every single time the State of Texas or your municipalities want to raise taxes to pay for child welfare programs. So, bad parents raise bad kids, who grow up to be bad parents, who in turn raise more kids. Decent parenting would fix half the problems we have in this country.

And by the way, those programs you cite as the cause of all of these problems, are in fact are best efforts so far to solve them. Other than bitching about taxes and lamenting the black father, what's your solution?

Anonymous said...

Geez, I hate liberal weenie dems. So self righteous, and so freaking wrong.

Socially, things were better in the '50's.

Ike

Anonymous said...

I watched the entire 37 minute interview with those two pieces of trash. If you had any idea how typical their mindset is in the young black male sector you would advocate an immediate eradication program. Don't even think to call me a racist. I'm a statistician. If 3 of every 10 dogs I encounter are rabid that does not make me a dog hater. Survival simply dictates that I either avoid or eliminate dogs. The concept is quite simple.

No amount of feel good liberal tolerance is going to change the reality of the violence in that culture

Anonymous said...

where's my f'n bat.

Nostradamus in Drag said...

We are one gunshot away from a civil war in this country. One that won't require uniforms to identify which side you are on. Should Obama get assassinated the blacks would rise up in open violent rebellion and the whites would eventually be forced to eliminate the scourge that has plagued us now for 140 years. I'm guessing the Mexicans will just sit and watch us go at it and the Asians will just buy up everything while we're not paying attention.

chupacabra said...

Other than the facts: the death penalty doesn't deter criminal behavior, is incredibly expensive to administer, doesn't do anything to make most victim families feel better, is KNOWN to have killed a lot of innocent people in modern history, Supreme Court Justice RB Ginsburg has said she has never reviewed a death penalty case where the person was seeking a stay of execution was well represented at trial and in the best of lights it is seemingly randomly applied.

But, yeah other these little details I'm all for it.

PS we Texans seem to proud of our death penalty- so proud that up to 76% of us report our support in surveys and studies of the issue. In the same one that produced that number nearly as many reported a belief that innocent people had been executed by the system. What? Yes, you read that correctly.
That is not rational nor even reasonable.

Anonymous said...

ALL you need to know in life is RIGHT from WRONG, it's that SIMPLE!!! This nigga was smart enough to know that, you don't take what's not yours!!! He would'nt even make a good organ donor!!! Let him be another piece of charcoal for the flames of Hell!!!

Anonymous said...

The moral and ethical divide in this country has become so pronounced that we must consider splitting in two (once again). Give the libs half, the cons half, and see which works better at the 5 or 10 year mark. For he first two years everyone is free to migrate to and declare allegiance to the philosophy they most agree with. After that, live with your choice.

Twenty years from now one will be America as we used to know her and the other will be athird world country like Jamaica.

Anonymous said...

thanks barry, spoken like someone who has no kids. you are such a loser barry.

Anonymous said...

Congradulations to 2;14.It can hapen but not often.Children should not be given up on but adults should be punished.Call it retributation if you will but no one executed ever sinned again.The endless apeals need to be shortened.The lawer that was executed just got his last lick in by spurning his apeals to screw another lawer out of ill gotten wages.DAGO

Anonymous said...

3:13
Then it sounds to me that we need to do away with a bunch of the appeals.

Anonymous said...

7:39 = idiot

Fast Eddie said...

I don't believe in luck. We all make choices. Sometimes people learn to make the wrong ones. Plant a seed and get a crop. We need to learn what seeds to plant by observing what we get when we make certain choices. Pay attention!