I remember when Northwest ISD installed that type of turf. It seems like it cost around $750K. Then they felt the need to build their new multi-million dollar staduim about two years later. If they are so adamant about spending money on the sports program, they should focus on planning a new stadium in the next few years. Granted, it doesn't have to look like a University stadium like Northwest's, just an updated facility & location. They current one is a disgrace!!
OK-so if the turf costs $10,000 a year to maintain, plus the estimated $1.1MM to have the turf on the field - with a usable life of 8-10 years, would the cost per year for the artificial turf not be $120,000 or more vs. the $58,000for the current grass?
Why would anyone be crazy enough to spend $ 1.1 million on upgrading that stadium when it would not cost much more for a brand-new stadium? As someone previously said, it would not have to be extravagant, just a regular football stadium. They wouldn't have to spend the $ 10-20 million that Northwest, Southlake and others are spending.
I'd like to know the breakdown for a $58,000.00 bill to maintain GRASS in the current stadium. Something very wrong there!
It's HIGH SCHOOL...Good God what is wrong w/ people....The city has done alot to upgrade and i think the EDC has done a great job...just had Lunch w/ the Investors last week in Fort Worth that was behind the new bank and was bragging on Decatur...BUT is it really Important to invest that much into That...
9:45 - I agree. Give a complete breakdown to the taxpayers...and shouldn't the city of Decatur factor in?..no more income from utilities?
Does the EDC have any numbers on what the expenditures they have made have returned to the economy? I'm sure they can make up some good stuff but I'm wondering if there is any hard data. Maybe I miss it but never see it. It's great buying water lines and all that good stuff or giving it to boot companies who don't really have a presence here but I wonder what it brings in. I know it has helped keep Decatur beautiful by having an industrial park as the welcome mat to the town and I guess Landmark employs people but who knows?
Isn't that the ugliest site when you're driving into Decatur, I mentioned it one time to the previous EDC Manager and he defended Landmark and later he goes to work for them...
9:33 - - you are right on target! Strange how they "factored out" that 1.1 million in their average per year for the next 8 - 10. It certainly DOES belong in the equation.
Thats a good point 10:15Landmark is owned by the two brothers who i won't mention there names but they are Canadian and are hooked in w/ Mike Farquat whos owns Magic Mikes in southLake and is also Saudi... Shady Bunch trust me but he better be careful...little out of his league running w/ them...
Kyle Story needs to hit the road. And all those who are drinking the kool-aid and smoking crack - we do not have the tax base to be spending this kind of money on such as this. Any DHS board member who votes for this is absolute devoid of common sense and fiscal responsibility.We all love to go cheer for Decatur - but that is exactly what it is - high school football. And we are not a powerhouse. The number of those who play for Decatur who go on to play college football is miniscule. And most of them seem to go to TCU - hardly the big time. So for most of those who play for Decatur (myself included) - high school football will eventually be just a memory - for reliving the glory days over beers. Who gives a sh*t if you played on turf. Spruce of the current stadium - fix the bathrooms, vistor stands, water and cut the grass, maybe hang a few banners commemorating those dominating state semifinal seasons and spend the savings elsewhere.
ok. know-it-alls, this is why WE elect a school board. They are fully capable of making the best decision for the school district. Maybe some of you loud mouths should go sit in on a few meetings and listen, or voice your concerns. Most of you are against this because it's for athletics....right? Shut up, sit on the bench, and get me a towel!
There is a Board meeting thursday night that is open to the public.The board also offers a time for public comments from community members, go speak and express your opinions.
I'm pretty sure nobody is gonna get you a towel, but hold your breath until then. You're about the biggest loud mouth so far (and arrogant!). The reason a lot of people are against this is because of the cost, and it is not fiscally responsible at present to do so.You say "fully capable of making the best decision" - You don't know much about elected officials, do you?
Muddled amongst the mud and the mire is a little shiny piece of hope almost not at all noticed by the passing foray. It can be pushed down further into the strangling humus or rekindled to the fire that burns forever more as the wisdom of our forefathers. It is so fragile you alomost do not want to speak of it.
Bridgeport will stick with their old Bull Stadium cow pasture and still kick Decatur's butt! Just sayin.
It is arrogance, irresponsibility and insanity that even allows for there to be a discussion of the installation of artificial turf for Decatur HIGH SCHOOL football field. When the students of Decatur can compete, on an ACADEMIC level, with students from schools like South Lake then and only then should people begin contemplating installing artificial turf. People in Decatur need to realize the purpose of a school district is to produce students who are ACADEMICALLY competitive with the rest of the world. How many Nobel Laureates attended high schools with artificial turf?The Messenger needs to chill with regard to Barry commenting/pasting articles. The ONLY reason I have EVER purchased a single issue of the Messenger is due to the fact Barry has commented on something from that waste of trees and time.Until two years ago, when I began, regularly, reading Barry's blog and The Spin, I had NEVER purchased a single issue of the Messenger. Wise County Messenger should be thanking their lucky stars and paying Barry for advertising anytime Barry mentions their shabby little rag.
Why don't we consider artificial turf after the beloved Eagles actually make the playoffs and win a State Championship. Oh, and after the RECESSION is over. Duh.
Preach on mzchief!
mzcreep is a BG suck up. Shut up mzcreep! Do you even know where Decatur kids stand in academics or are you just running your mouth?
I happen to agree with several of the comments about not needing turf. I do wonder from mzchief about how she determines the academic prowness of the DISD ? Did you research this or did you simply make an assumption ? Have you reviewed the AEIS report ? have you based your comment only upon a gut feel ? Just asking....
They could cross-seed the current grass with something like winter wheat and let the DHS national champion tractor team use their skills for a profit? Does Southlake have a national champion tractor team? Just sayin.
How many Nobel Laureates come from any public high school around here, including Southlake, & the rest of the metro plex? THat's a pretty high standard don't you think?
Quit giving MzChief a bad rap. I couldn't agree MORE with her stand on academics.It's time football stops being the god of small town America, our schools and this nation.
The $10,000 a year for ten years is $100,000. Add that to the $1.1 million cost is $1.2 million. Now, divide $1.2 million by $58,000/year for grass and that is 20.68 years. So, it would take over 20 years to pay for itself. But you need new turf in ten years because it wears out, thus your cost goes up again.I too, would like to see the break down on that $58,000/year. It probably includes the hourly wages of those who work on it. Which their wages should not be included, because they are being paid whether they are mowing or sweeping floors or whatever. That's not an added cost the field causes. Gas, fertilizer, water etc. are what should be included.
What do you think the schoolboard would say if someone asked them to give the teachers a raise in the neighborhood of 1.2 million dollars? I bet they would say there was no money for that!
I sure hope to hell someone is performing these these cost analyses considering the time value of money. If not, DISD better pour more money into its math department...
Yeah, 1:18 - and how many folks would FILL up a school board meeting room to demand that our teachers get raises?We need to load up our school board with ex teachers.
As for the school board meeting all I can say is I will let you know my opinion at election time if you vote for something as foolish as this crap. If you have all this extra money that you have to use then give it to the teachers in some form of extra pay to keep them here. Please tell me why we have 12 or 15 coaches when the amout of kids on the team stay the same?
If you hade been at the meeting yesterday you all would have learned that the Thompson street field is being used for 7th and 8th grade football practice, soccer practice and Games (freshman, jv,varsity Girls and Boys)six total teams, and all of the Pee-Wee1st-6th grade (300 kids) Football games are played on that field that the school is also spending 14500 per year to mantain also. So if the Field Turf is put in at the Stadiumthe savings total would be 72500 per year minus your 10000 to maintain the Turf. 62500 savings. To have a field that all the Teams can have Games, practice and seating for all. not just High School Football Games. The Field turf does last for 10 years but when you replace it the cost is around 200000 and your good for another ten years. most of the cost is in the drainage and sub surface.so 20 years devided by 1.4 = 70k per year.All of the People that keep saying that the all the cost is going to be on them is BS. 30% of the DISD tax is paid by only 10 oil and gas related Co's.( you would have learned that also)This is a district that needs more students to be able to keep more of our money not send 20 cents on the dollar back to the State.Why don't you People that don't understand come to a meeting or just ask THE GREAT BERRY GREEN to research how much we send back and how much we get to keep in the district if we build.(100%)I know you will believe anything he tells you to be true
I will water and cut the grass for only $55,000 it sounds fair to me.
Sound like with all the "Kids"using this field that it needs to be open 24hrs a day just to handel them. Now what do we need 2 when one works now???
Sounds like it could be an on going community service project for the people that need hours. Maintain and up keep on the football field. Free labor.
Anonymous = no balls or in mzcreeps case no ugh ,Anonymous
Looks like the money would be better spent on a few Math teachers.Something don't add up.
To anonymous 11:30/mzchief stalker....If you had really been paying attention you would know that I hammer Barron for his tendency to drool over women young enough to be his adult daughter. One of the things for which I am NEVER guilty is "just running (my) mouth."With regard to the academic rankings I referenced. Southlake's Carroll High School is EXCELLENT.Decatur's Decatur High School, not-a-good.******************************To anonymous 12:05...According to your line of thinking, just because students attend public schools they are not entitled to educators attempting to provide them an education that allows public school students the opportunity to be academically competitive enough to have a hope of becoming a Nobel Laureate, so let them have artificial turf rather than an excellent education. You sound like quite the elitist, whereas I believe that ANYONE, even the product of public schooling, when given the same level of attention to their education can become a Nobel Laureate.
We think they should stick to real grass, man. The artificial stuff is an artificial high. And we mean acres and acres of it, man.Think about the money the concession stands will make when the munchies hit. Chili Frito pie anyone? I'll take 10, man.Double Fake Cheech and Chong
I'm here to stop the bickering...I have a solution that should please everyone... Follow my logic.DHS has the best high school theatre I've ever seen; that's ok because it's not for football. We have a basketball gym that all the 5A teams (including Carroll) would love to have; that's ok because it's not for football. We have an ag facility complete with tractor labs, welding labs, Green house; that's ok because it's not for football. We have a nice new track up on the hill; that's ok because it's not for football.Our band, Chior, and Auto tech areas are state of the art; That's ok because it's not for football.We passed a technology bond to improve our computers; that's ok because we make anyone playing football use the old computers.If we put field turf down our soccer teams will get to play on it; we can call it the DISD Soccer Complex; that will be fine because it won't be for those football players.Next Problem?
Aw now... you Decatur teachers do not need any raises!! According to one of your own, the pay is just fine:"10:14...I am a teacher who yes 'would love to see a nice raise, improvements in technology, fine arts, and plain ol'academics'. I will say though that the money I make here is ten times better than where I originally started, so I am personally very thankful for what I do get."(From LETTER TO THE EDITOR post ....a few posts down)Must be a happy place... they are paid well and have plenty of time to sit and blog during the school work day.
Gonna be LOTS of folks who will play games on that "new turf"....kinda makes one think there might possibly then be a big scheduling problem. You know not everyone can play at the same time. Oh, but wait, if that happens, then we'll just need to build more fields/stadiums to fix that problem. right? Oh, wait... now I get it!
Fall-Middle School games are on Tuesdays; Sub-Varsity on Thursdays; Varsity on Fridays; PeeWee on Saturdays... Winter- Soccer on Tuesdays,Fridays and some Saturdays.Ok scheduling solved.
I LOVE IT C.O.C.!
The turf idea is a waste of time and money. The bigger joke is the indoor practice field that "even the band will be able to use". Show me how having a turf field and an indoor prctice facility will make you a better player and I will shut up. But first explain to me how the teams in the past went to state playoffs without these facilities. It's all in the coaching and Decatur doesn't have it. Another point from the same meeting was laptops and other computer related devices to be purchased with bond money. Yes, I thank it's a great idea to pay 15-20 years on a bond for equipment that needs to be replaced every 4-5 years.
Rather touchy subject.
4:27, watch your mouth jerk! Decatur teacher here and you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Full time teachers work like sweat shop workers so those meaningless statistics that Mizchief referred to can be achieved. And, while on that subject, Mizchief may not know that those scores are based on a school's worst performance. If a school has 99.9 percent passing, yet the minority or low-socioeconmic subgroups fail to IMPROVE over the last year despite what score they received, a district is penalized. And...that is just one of many areas of the throat that TEA keeps its foot on.And to the soccer coach...stick to coaching. Even if everything you say is true about the facilities in vocational tech and the arts, they are like the academic areas, they have to get in line...way behind athletics when it comes to funds, student:teacher ratio, etc.
To anonymous 7:19...What do you bet South Lake's, Carroll Independent School District would disagree with your assertion that test scores are "meaningless statistics?" Test scores that are used to rank and rate a school's performance are only meaningless to schools that are UNDER performing.
Sarah Palin could cover the field in moose fur at a cheaper price. She can "football field" a moose!
how about this? those that believe that field turf, new stadium, and/or indoor practice facility is a great idea form a corporation, devise a business plan, arrange the financing, and build it. put on high school football games, tractor pulls, rodeos, wrasslin' matches, or whatever and charge all of us unenlightened saps whatever you want to to get into the damn place.the question you should ask yourself is this: if this is such a good idea, why hasn't somebody already done this?the only way the numbers work on these projects is if you are able stick it to the taxpayer.
Not often that I agree with mxchief, but she is dead on with this. We all knew that it was just a matter of time after the new high school was built and Northwest built their stadium that Decatur would start wanting turf and indoor practice facilities. Just keeping up with the Jones’ and at the worst economic time.
7:19, as a colleague of yours, I would like to add that Mzchief's comparison is faulty. Of course Southlake will tout the TEA rating which is substantially based on TAKS scores that include subgroups. How many Southlake students are ESL students that transferred in from Mexico with a academic history that is sporadic and sketchy at best? I'd venture to bank on zero percent of their student population. Compare these stats (that I found on the website you cited...greatschools.com):Southlake ISD88% Caucasian6% Asian4% Hispanic19% Gifted identified<1% ESL0% Eco-disadvantaged5% MobilityDecatur ISD69% Caucasian29% Hispanic14% ESL10% Gifted identified32% Reduced lunch qualified (and that is automatic for ESL...just think of all of those that don't apply that would qualify)And when you look at a test that does offer more legitimate comparison, the ACT, and we are only 4 points below them, then you owe Decatur teachers an apology. Southlake has the money to offer SAT/ACT prep courses. Parents in that disctrict pay hundreds of dollars to private companies to tutor for that test and we are within 4 points of the golden graduates of Southlake? You nor TEA have any right to label Decatur as "under-performing."
Hey 3:16 Southlake has turf and an indoor practice field, I guess we do need both. So our Academic ranking would improve ?!?!
7:19, watch MY mouth??? I quoted a collegue of YOURS who evidently has plenty of time to BLOG during the school work day!!! Go to the other post and check it out for yourself!
What are you saying 11:00? That hispanics are dumb and that your unable to teach them anything?
.....and do you realize that a high percentage of those hispanic/ESL subgroups play football as well as other sports. Without being a part of these sports many of them may not be even close to achieving as well as they are.
To Anonymous 11:00...Thank you for MAKING my point in that Decatur has a MUCH greater need and responsibility to direct their attention and funding toward the EDUCATION of ALL of the students in their district rather than blowing a MILLION PLUS of their budget on artificial turf that does NOTHING to enhance the quality of the EDUCATION of the students.Ahem...ACT and SAT exams are typically paid for and taken by college bound students so there is NO way those scores are any type of representation of the education being provided to the ENTIRE student body.I do not owe the teachers of ANY school ANYTHING. I pay taxes to pay for their JOB. Teaching is a JOB that teachers WILLINGLY trained for, accepted and keep. Teachers are no more saintly than anyone else who does a JOB.If you think it is acceptable for YOUR child to attend an UNDER PERFORMING school district with the scores of Decatur then that is fine for you but MOST parents have higher standards for their children and would opt for their children to attend a school with the scores of Carroll ISD.
Hey mzchief, do you wear red hats?
I say we just build a new stadium with field turf problem solved. I agree with 7:01 send your kids to Carroll they win championships not just in cross country. Get over it people times are changing and field turf is the way to go.Fake Kyle Story
i tink we s oulhd get thr tuff cus it looks good and lasts long time. a non taxs prayer
Why will Mzcreep not stop that damn bolding of her her words. I'm thinking about shooting myself if she doesn't stop.
Springtown has an indoor practice facility that is BAD ass. I kinda like the idea of the supporters forming a corporation and teaching everybody a lesson, by charging admission....The biggest supporters are usually over-zealous fathers who have grand illusions of little Johnny playing for the Cowboys. They are very seldom on the top end of the tax payers.
To Anonymous 9:03...I BOLD because I want to BOLD. The FACT it pisses you off and drives you nearly to personal destruction is MERELY icing.I LOVE being ME!
9:10 - so true, but don't forget(some)moms of cheerleaders.We had one here in Bridgeport that kept the phone hot to the school IF she felt her little darling was being discriminated against.Life or death stuff ya know!
Hey Mzcreep - I got a new picture. You like this one?
To Buckwheat...I can understand YOU wanting to be ME but I am MUCH more than an avatar.Since imitation is the greatest form of flattery, Thank you.
7:19...Have any of you heard of personal days? Educators can use those days for anything they choose...Yes...even blogging... great fun!
Dude could you for one MINUTE imagine being married to MzCreep...i bet he's got more freaking Hobbies than Richard Branson..I could only think about how his Testicles crawl up toward his Belly Button every time she starts a conversation...I would take 30 xanax and chase w/ a vat of scotch...bet he's got a little Golfin buddy named chuck that don't talk so much...
Holy crap! How bad would that be.
1:36 - that's pretty funny but who in the cathair is Richard Branson?
To Anonymous 1:36...Clearly, you will be dismayed and be made more envious to learn that after 20+ years of marriage, I remain Mr. mzchief's "hobby." *:)Like I have said in the past, I am so horrible that Mr. mzchief arranges to meet me 1/2 way, typically Edinburgh, London, Frankfurt or Prague, when he is working, for an extended period, in the Middle-East. I DETEST the heat and sand of Kuwait, Dubai, Egypt and Bahrain. He did, recently (prior to the Mumbai bombings) drag me to India, with him, for 10 days. I had a FABULOUS time with the exception of the 14 hour flight. I HATE flying. It is the being trapped and unable to leave when I want to leave part of flying that I most dislike.I asked Mr. mzchief and he does not know a single person named "Chuck." Clearly, you have, yet again, assumed much with FEW facts.
I have been a teacher in Decatur, married an Eagle, sent a child to school here. This child managed to make it into a D1 school on an academic scholarship, competed against Metroplex kids for another and won, finished college in 4 years, was awarded a scholarship to grad school, finished, now has an administrative job. It is amazing that this came from Decatur schools! His classmates are teachers, nurses (RN's), lawyers, doctors, bankers, business people, etc.....Yes, they can compete with the Southlake kids. Money doesn't buy you smarts. It is quality, integrity, caring parents, etc. that make a good school. Good parents are necessarily the ones pushing for artificial turf. The good ones are the ones making sure their kids are fed, bathed, loved, responsible, and have done their work to the best of their ability. Oh yes, my spouse, my son, and his classmates were all athletes in high school. That's where it ended--in a game, which is what high school football is to the vast majority of the kids--but not to some parents.
Wait a minute... This can't be. No such educated child like this graduated from DISD. Afterall they are an "UNDERPERFORMING" bunch of idiot teachers, coaches and administrators. All they want to do is take care of athletics. You have to be lying....This I believe requires a lynching.
Shut up MZChief. Do you even live in Wise County, do you have kids, and why does your husband feel the need to be so far away from you?
Southlake has another little secret for their high school TEA ranking. Southlake High School is now an 11th and 12th grade campus ONLY. That means that the squirrelly 10th graders who have NOTHING riding on the TAKS test don't count for Southlake High School. Take a look sometime at the scores in consecutive years for any school in the state that has grades 9-12 on the same campus. In general, you will see that the scores, for the same group of kids, will drop considerably from garde 9 to grade 10, and then show a considerable increase from grade 10 to grade 11. This happened even in the vaunted Southlake district before they divided the campus.
Mzchief I still say that you are way too full of yourself. Where did you come up with the name Mzchief?Mischief= A source of Annoyance.
One thing to always take into consideration when comparing the apples of Southlake to the oranges of Decatur, is that the apples don't have the subgroups that the oranges do, and therefore ratings don't compare fairly.
She's such a good name(country) dropper isn't she. Wish I were her - NOT!
1:06, Sure I've heard of personal days. But the location of "blogging" can certainly be checked out in a hurry. Hope you WERE at home on a personal day, cuz if not, you're a waste of our money. TEACH YOUR CLASS!
BOTTOM LINE:DHS does NOT need artificial turf! In the midst of companies failing, stocks dropping, and families NEEDING money, to purchase artificial turf would be irresponsible and flat stupid.
He's probaly got a Hide in every Town...Imagine the Ass Whip when he has to put that face on to come meet the House Frow...Oh how was your morning swim, did you type in Bold today, did you tell everyone how nuch i travel...Oh your starting to sound like Charlie Browns Teacher...
OMG! A shovel wouldn't even take care of the bull sh*t I'm reading. This blog is hilarious. Definately making my regular list.
And so, who is Mzchief? Anyone want to reveal her real name? hmm? Evidently all you RAB people know her. Name?
To Anonymous 5:00...I have lived in Wise County for 20+ years. I home schooled my son. He made 50 points shy of a PERFECT SCORE on the SAT. He will be graduating with HONOURS from an out of state university that he attended on a FULL RIDE academic scholarship. Son mzchief will then attend an out of state dental school to begin his education to become an oral surgeon. My husband has a GLOBAL engineering firm and he TYPICALLY works for FOREIGN governments. He is responsible for bringing 100's of MILLIONS of foreign dollars to the US each year. 2009 should be his first BILLION dollar year.******************************To Anonymous 6:58...Had you bothered to look at the links I provided at 3:16 you would have known that the ratings were for the ENTIRE school district and the scores for broken down for INDIVIDUAL grades. Nice try at ATTEMPTING to explain away Decatur's UNDER PERFORMING.********************************To Anonymous 7:52..."mzchief" is an alteration of the word "mischief." I am known for having a good time ALL the time and am quite the prankster with regard to my friends. I have been accused of being "mischievous" since I was a child. If you have failed to notice, I LOVE stirring the pot and getting under the skin of the more simple minded folk who visit Barry's Blog. You will never know the giggles I get by the fact that me being me pisses of soooo many people like YOU.
9:51 - I've been a friend of Mzchief's for 20+ years. She's everything she says she is and more. My entire office and I laugh our asses off when Mzchief turns you dumbass haters inside out. You dipshits wouldn't believe the hours of entertainment y'all provide for dozens of people.Howdy AnObiter. I'm that Roxxanna. Notice, I cleaned up the sailor talk for DQ Land.
Nice try MzChief, we don't believe you have any friends, just the ones floating around in your head.
Mz.I was not try to do anything to boost or lower anyone's opinion of Decatur ISD. I was simply pointing out the games that can be played with the numbers.It might be instructive to look at districts that have multiple high schools and a greater diversity than that found in either Decatur or Southlake. If you look at the Lewisville schools, you will see that, out of five 9-12 high schools (LHS-North is a 9th only campus), only one is ranked by TEA as Recognized. The teachers earn the same salary, the technology and techological support are the same, the instructional leadership for teachers is the same, and the district administrative support is the same for each high school. The difference between schools is the student population. The highest ranking school has the lowest number of economically disadvantaged students. Teachers who transfer among those schools generally have the same overall test scores for their students as the teachers into whose positions they moved. Belive what you want, but, once you provide students the same quality of instruction, the determining factors for their success lie outside the classroom. I wish that all students had parents who are well educated, well read, and who travel the world. Those students walk in the door with a major advantage over the student whose parents dropped out of school in 10th grade. But the kid who has never traveled farther away than Ft. Worth (and that on a field trip) is in the same classroom with the kids who traveled to Africa, Paris, and Rome over Christmas break.
4:54 is absolutely correct. I might add one more perspective. Since the TAKS test DOES NOT measure a student's intellectual potential nor is it a consumate gage of a student's college readiness as TEA purports, a student that passes the TAKS test does not a brain surgeon make. While all students can learn and achieve, not all students can learn and achieve at the same potential. Whether the measure lies in a TAKS, SAT, or I.Q. test, the scores DO reveal the differences in potential and intellect. When a student reaches the age of 17 or 18, choices must be made rather than the deluge of explanations that lead to medicority and entitlement. This country faces a tough future until our society is willing to admit and treat the differences accordingly rather than socialize the education process so that each new generation is less thoughtful and educated than the previous. Mzchief is a prime example of a literate but less discerning population of a parent generation that gives credence to the NCLB Act and TAKS test as a measure that defines academic/intellectual success. We don't want students rewarded with a false sense of academic achievement based on effort or rote education. We want college degrees and leadership positions to be hard-earned by the application of high intellect and high order thinking...or else our current government leadership as well as the current economy will once seem like the Golden Age.
Lets get back to the problem at hand. Its' not about education its about that bunch of dumbarss people and the Truf. Please lets not forget that if they vote to do this then we have to vote to get them out.
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