12.08.2008

Letter To The Editor In Messenger

Today I am going to join my good friend Ken Hughes. It is very difficult for me not to speak as a wiseacre (wise guy, smart alec). My many friends and critics will testify to that. First, I want to point out that turf does not refer to artificial grass. All grass is turf; artificial turf is artificial. That Decatur should install "artificial turf," also known as Astro Turf, is one of the more foolish ideas I have heard in some time. In the midst of what is called the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, this trial ballon has been run up, and I pray fervently that it will be shot down. To install Astro Turf would be the height of irresponsibility. Dan Mooney Jr. Decatur I had to stop reading after the second paragraph. All I could think about was Newman, from Seinfeld, talking to his girlfriend in a convertible when he says, "You see, certified mail is always registered, but registered mail is not necessarily certified."

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

But I agree, it is ridiculous

butters said...

I don't know...would it not save money in the long run...water bills are going up every year. "Artificial" turf, like genius said, is artificial...no watering, so how much money would they save in watering bills, mowing, seeding, and painting. It might take a couple of years, but I'm sure they would save them a little bit of money and also grab a couple of extra games along the playoff season to make up for and differences!
Buy it while it's on sale!

Anonymous said...

butters has a valid point....but couldn't we wait a couple of years when we might be feeling a bit more stable?

On a side note, BG- I heart you! I just watched the episode of ....the dirty talk...last night. I still laugh out loud the way George squirts the ketchup bottle.

-A Fan

Anonymous said...

butters:

I work for a school district considering an artificial turf field. I calculated the cost it takes to maintain the field properly and the cost savings over 10 years (the estimated life of an artificial turf) is no where near what it cost to put in an artificial turf field. If they want to put in an artifial turf field they will have to justify it by saying "cause we want it" and not by the old adage "it will save us money".

Anonymous said...

do people really not understand how much this will cost?? not only do they have to pay for the tuff, which will be over $1 million, plus you'll have to pay for the labor, which will include tearing out the grass and all the dirt work that will have to be done to just be able to put the tuff down. thats not including the drainage system that will have to be put in. theres too many misinformed people in decatur that think its so cheap to have turf, but wait till they get the bill! you ever wonder why you rarely see schools that are 3-A and under have turf??

Anonymous said...

While I know that everyone on here are experts on the subject. Let look at a few facts. Many school district are putting down "field turf" (astro turf has not been put used since the turn of the century)on junior high fields and practice fields. Not because they want to keep up with the jones's but because it is cost effective. Grass game fields are used for games only. Field Turf can be used all day, every day.
We arenot the first people that have entered this dicussion we are just the next in line. Over 50 3A schools already have it. Soon a 3A "grass" field will be rare.

Anonymous said...

b-port is currently in the contract negotiating stage for their new 'turf' field. if all goes well, it will be installed this summer .

Anonymous said...

Artificial turf is NOT cost effective. Only a BigThreeAuto accountant could make it so!

It is what it is. A luxury.

This is a Kyle Story thing. This conversation only happens with coaches of his mind-set. It simply is important to them to be first, be best, be better, be superior...............especially when they can't be these on the score board.

Anonymous said...

2:18 YOU NEED TO MOVE TO ONE OF THEM. To say it will save or make money is such a croc. with 2 playoff games a year how long will it take to make 1,000,000,

Anonymous said...

Decatur needs to figure out how to keep the quarterback from acting like an idiot before they worry about fake turf. Maybe Kyle Story needs to move to one of those schools that has all of the turf.
From a large property TAXPAYING former Decatur Eagle.

Anonymous said...

Using a 5% interest rate, the cost of maintaining a grass field has to average at least $130K a year for 10 years in order for a $1 million artificial turf field to be a cost effective investment(or $104K a year for an $800K field). Surely it does not cost those kinds of dollars to keep a grass field maintained each year.

R and R said...

Didn't I see somewhere that artificial turf has to be watered too? A college campus in SC...NC...where there was a water shortage but, the campus was still watering the artificial turf?

Anonymous said...

If 2:33 means that Bridgeport is getting the same kind of "turf" field that the Decatur group is wanting to install, that explains why this has come up in Decatur. Story and his group of supporters can't allow Bridgeport to get something like this before the great Decatur program has it.

Anonymous said...

Those who do not want turk were the ones that played on the 7th grade football B team and were cut as freshmen and are speaking on hurt feelings.

suck it

Mike said...

Don't injury rates go up with artificial turf? I haven't heard anybody mention this. Also once installed, aren't all the players going to get an additional pair of shoes? I have never seen anything advertised as maintenance free actually be that way. You just shift the maintenance cost from one thing to another.

Anonymous said...

Someone explain this to me. Maintenance on the field is done now by whom? Maintenance personnel who are paid by the school district? Are these maintenance personnel coaches who have "free periods" to clip the field instead of teaching a class? Why don't these coaches TEACH classes so that the schools don't have to hire EXTRA personnel to teach the classes that coaches should be teaching, but instead are out clipping, watering grass.

It wasn't that long ago that over one million was paid to put in new grass, new bleachers, complete re-do of concession stands, press box, field house, restrooms, etc. And now we're wanting to spend over a million for JUST ARTIFICIAL TURF?

The most cost effective strategy for our taxpayers and for the success of our football program and other athletic programs is to tell Kyle Story to take a hike! That fixes it all. Just vote this proposterous issue down and hopefully he'll look for his utopia elsewhere. We can't afford it! Got that?

Anonymous said...

6:01 Me play on A teem - me like "turk" to.

Anonymous said...

This sounds as if the TAX-PAYERS are speaking up , and it sounds GREAT! C.O.C

June FN Cleaver said...

Here's one for you Barry...this whole issue is smelling a bit like...RUSTY (you have to remember that episode, right?).

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that if Decatur had a winning season this year then we wouldn't be hearing all the complaining about Kyle Story...maybe 2:34 & 4:21 need to move to Bridgeport.

What we need is more bleachers, not artificial turf. If the district wants to spend money then they should build a new stadium...that's what we need!

Anonymous said...

The days of a coach keeping the field have been long gone at DHS.

The off periods are still in place.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Bport is getting turf.

Anonymous said...

8:21... I'm not really sure what you mean by the "off periods are still in place". Yes, DHS coaches have A conference period just like other teachers in the district to be used as a planning period or for grading papers. If they choose to do maintenance during that period, they have that right to do so... They do have athletic periods for coaching athletes like every other school in Texas, but they haven't got their feet up in the air sitting in a recliner drinking coffee during those periods. I know many coaches who teach core classes who spend many hours grading and preparing for classes...some 4-6 hours per weekend to be prepared for the following week. Some of you need to realize that you don't have to have a successful season every year in order to have great coaches...In the coaching profession, there will be "down" years, but I can truly say that DHS has a great group of men and women who come to work every day prepared to teach, guide, and instruct students and student athletes.

Maybe those of you who have such a problem with Coach Story need to stop in and visit with him personally instead of voicing your opinions of him on this blog. My definition of this is "coward"... That isn't what REAL men and women do...I also believe that you can't judge a man in such a negative manner just by watching and observing him (that's called perception only). There is a reason that you feel such resentment toward him...again, the office is the place to discuss issues...

Anonymous said...

I like the gang mentality of this. Hey you, this is my turf! Get on it, I a gonna kick yo sorry ass! Look at my bandana and tattoo!

Anonymous said...

12:17, what in the sam hill makes you think "we" who happen to dislike Story think we do so because of "watching and observing" him? Sheeeeeeesh! That's the dumbest statement!

There are REASONS why folks dislike him and maybe they don't need to be printed on this blog. DISD is infamous for "sweeping under the rug." However there are people who happen to be privy to messes before they are "swept."

Right now though, just this insane proposal of spending ANY money on artificial turf, indoor practice facilities and whatever else is dreamed is enough to say the man needs to move along to greener pastures. Are YOU a taxpayer here? I'd bet not. Ever heard of the word: B U D G E T???
Budget based on tax base is common sense, busting budgets based on dreams is ludicrous.
Bring in an athletic director who will be pleased to have the very NICE and NEW facilities that we already have here. Maybe you haven't heard, but there's an economic crisis going on.

Anonymous said...

8:59... I agree with you totally in what you said in your first paragraph...If you read my response CORRECTLY and without BIAS, you will see that the point you make is also the point I am trying to make to you. I guess that is why I go on to say after that statement, "There is a reason that you feel such resentment toward him"...duh???!!! I wasn't making the impression that you dislike him because of observing...You read what you wanted to read into this statement...I will again tell you to get off this blog and talk with him face to face if you have a problem with him...obviously you do...I don't and I will speak for myself instead of trying to speak for others like you do...

Am I a taxpayer in this county? YES I AM!!! I am also willing to support the kids of this district as well as my own kids in whatever way I have to in order to help them achieve their "dreams" as you say...I'm sorry, but there are some in the county who are in favor of turf, much needed improvements, indoor facilities etc...and someone like you isn't going to change my mind. Go Eagles!!!!!

Anonymous said...

YA KNOW WHAT, SCREW IT. yall just go ahead and put in your turf field, then we will see how much bitching you decatur people really do when your having to pay for it. HAVE FUN!!

Anonymous said...

And there are a great many who do NOT want the artificial turf because we HAVE ALREADY paid ( and are still doing so ) "to support the kids of this district as well as my own kids in whatever way I have to in order to help them achieve their 'dreams.'" It's never enough! Maybe YOU need to move and take your kids to a place where the tax base can afford such LUXURY.
I'm sure the DISD teachers would love to see a nice raise, and improvements in technology, fine arts and plain ol' academics.
And, I HAVE spoken with Story, many times... didn't change my opinion of him or his program at all. Duh!!!

Anonymous said...

10:14...I am a teacher who yes "would love to see a nice raise, improvements in technology, fine arts, and plain ol'academics". I will say though that the money I make here is ten times better than where I originally started, so I am personally very thankful for what I do get. We just passed a bond to take care of the other issues mentioned and over time, we will have this. No, I'm not moving anywhere as I am perfectly fine where I am. Sounds like you may need to take your own advice since obviously, things didn't work out in your favor in regards to Story... It's a shame that you only see this as a "luxury", as I don't. I see success and improvement for all of our students and I feel our board is very qualified to make this decision. I think in the long run, it will benefit our community as a whole. My children are my world and excuse me for wanting better for them...Sometimes you have to pay for that excellence!

Anonymous said...

Yep, and we've all been paying for their excellence for years and years. Have you paid attention to the tradition that DHS has had for the past many years? It was all done WITHOUT artificial turf that IS a luxury, period. You think artificial turf will IMPROVE performance? That's laughable!
Happy you are a teacher there, and I'm sure the other teachers are very glad you have stated publicly how well paid you all are. rofl!

Anonymous said...

12:54...Once again, you are putting YOUR words into MY mouth. If you go back up to my previous post, I indicated that I make more money in this district than I did in the previous place of employment and am pleased with what this district currently pays. Does that mean I don't want a raise? NO Does that mean that teachers in this district don't deserve more? NO This was strictly your assumption... Secondly, the improvements I was alluding to involve positive attitude and a sense of pride which fosters self discipline. This in turn leads to athletic success. It wasn't necessarily athletic performance... Oh, but NEVER say "NEVER"... It's a STATE OF MIND!!!!

Anonymous said...

lol! I'm not putting my words in your mouth... YOU said, " I will say though that the money I make here is ten times better than where I originally started, so I am personally very thankful for what I do get."
Try saying that same quote when the school board is debating teacher salaries! THEN tell me it doesn't "mean" you are well paid!

It is also interesting to see that you are a teacher at Decatur, I presume DHS, yet you have plenty of time to BLOG during the school day. Possibly you are a coach with "free time" to puruse the internet during work hours? Nice use of the taxpayer's money!

Your "state of mind" is obviously "looney!" Let me quote you so I don't get this wrong -- "Secondly, the improvements I was alluding to involve positive attitude and a sense of pride which fosters self discipline. This in turn leads to athletic success"

hmmmm... you mean all those IMPROVEMENTS we paid for just a few years back have fostered NO sense of pride or self discipline?(Funny, I always thought coaches had the "job" of instilling pride and teaching self-discipline.) Are you "implying" that our facilities are SHABBY or UNSUITABLE for teenagers? I don't think the taxpayers who have been here for YEARS (because this is their home) will be too happy to hear that we are in such POOR shape.
This is my home...I am not a "transient" teacher who will go from one distric to another. I have been and will be here for many more students' lives. I also happen to know a great deal about athletics since I was one in both high school and college and I CAN SAY that shining facilities do NOT make the successful programs. Oh, they may look PRETTY, but that is it. Decatur is NOT lacking in equipment or opportunity for the students. Artificial turf is NOT NEEDED... period! You can twist and turn statistics any way you want, but you will NEVER convince me that what we have is UNACCEPTABLE or LACKING! And if we need improvement in success, self discipline, or pride, then we need to replace our current coaches!

Anonymous said...

QUOTE:
"My children are my world and excuse me for wanting better for them...Sometimes you have to pay for that excellence!"

"Secondly, the improvements I was alluding to involve positive attitude and a sense of pride which fosters self discipline. This in turn leads to athletic success."


So, artificial turf will improve what you say needs improving because why?

If you follow your own logic here then I'm assuming you put your kids in cars (Mercedes, BMW or others of the same high caliber) and you live in a very well-to-do million dollar home and your children have but only the very best of clothing so they will stand out above others and be successful. Correct? Are YOU PAYING for that excellence?
If not, is it because you can't afford it? Well well now... think about that!

Anonymous said...

uh.. In the facilities meeting DISD proved to the board they could not only afford the turf, but also 5 million dollars worth of renovations and upgrades around the district.

Anonymous said...

That is OUR tax money! Use it wisely! (turf ain't it!)

Anonymous said...

Well hell, if they can AFFORD the 5 mil in improvements AND the turf... then it's about time our school property taxes went way the hell DOWN!