9.25.2007

Until Death Do Us Part


"But until [today], the justices had never agreed to consider the fundamental question of whether the mix of drugs used in Kentucky and elsewhere violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment."

My legal brain is confused on this one. If lethal injection is cruel and unusual, then what type of government imposed death is not? Firing squad? Hanging? The electric chair?

If I had my choice, I'm picking the needle.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

If only we could ask the victims to define cruel and unusual.

Crud Bonemeal said...

This is so liberal. I can't believe voters and taxpayers stand for this kind of waste of the money so coercively taken from them by the government. The people who care about the violence, horror, and loss of their precious lives at the hands of these callous and heinous animals will not be mentioned in the liberal mainstream press writings on this subject. In the mind of the liberal thinker, the victim has become irrelevent, and all that matters is that they lack the guts to do what is right and rid the world of another murderer. Now we are supposed to be concerned if the killer has to suffer a little discomfort in termination? Isn't it ironic that a rape victim can't kill the person who raped her, but if she does have the choice to take the life of an innocent child that may have been the result of the rape. What kind of ironic society do we live in where the liberals and the liberal press protect the lives of horrible murderers, yet they won't protect the life of an unborn child who never hurt anyone ever. The fact that the Supremes are wasting time on this issue is preposterous. If you want to kill criminals humanely, the injection is probably slower than the guillotine or a bullet in the head. Historically, it appears that in our search for a humane way to remove vicious murderers and criminals from our society, we have eschewed what appear to me the most humane methods for the more ghastly electric chair, gas chamber, and chemical injection.

Anonymous said...

As usual, Crud, you've bitten off more than you can chew. What on earth does abortion have to do with capital punishment, except with the end result? Leave it to you wild-eyed crazies to lump both issues together and truly address neither one? You use emotional rhetoric to distract from the issues - yes, the same emotional rhetoric you accuse the "liberals" of using. Settle down and pick an issue!

Crud Bonemeal said...

Oh yeah, here we go. Leave it to the liberal thinker to have their priorities all screwed up. The issues are directly juxtaposed. You all have no problem exterminating unborn children or euthenizing puppies and kittens, but you squeal like Ned Beatty in "Deliverance" when someone wants to kill one of your precious criminals.

Anonymous said...

May I just say WTF?

In case you care about facts, Crud, I am all in favor of the death penalty when it is used appropriately and fairly (ie in proper cases and by prosecutors who pursue the ultimate penalty with great reservation). And I am personally opposed to abortion but I am not willing to impose my beliefs on another woman who will be carrying this child. I think it's so short-sighted to spend so much passion on an issue when there are children who are ALIVE in this country and who are abused, mistreated, living in poverty. Where are all your promises for them, Crud?

Anonymous said...

Crud is on the mark in his 1:57 remark, especially at the start. Look at the money, the priorities, and how many lawyers make how much money creating no end of pointless arguments to bill, I mean, speculate about.

Denney Crane said...

Please, someone tell me what our government pays in legal fees to someone fighting the death penalty or on death row? I would imagine over 50% are not pro-bono, but I don't know...

Someone educate me...

Anonymous said...

crud, you talk about the victim. If I'm not mistaken the "victim" in a murder is dead. When execution starts bringing back the dead victim, I'll see your point.

Killing people...to show that killing people is wrong. That mentalitiy has worked so well to solve problems throughout the ages.

denny, i'm searching for the statistics, but I'm not too adept at posting them. However, I have previously read that the State's portion of special treatment for capital punishment defendants is far in excess of the cost of housing them for life.

Not that any of you seem to care, but every reputable study indicates that capital punishment is not a deterrent to murder. I know, it sounds crazy...but it's true. If you think it sounds crazy, then you're probably a person that regularly follows the law anyway.

Pseudonym said...

Lethal injection isn't enough suffering. Killers should be forced to watch a Jerry Lewis telethon from start to finish. If they live, then just force them to watch Madonna's Swept Away until the finally expire. Use the contraption from Clockwork Orange so they can't look away or close their eyes. Lethal injection is too good for them.

Denney Crane said...

6:38 AM

Thank you for your post.

You said, "I know, it sounds crazy...but it's true."

"every reputable study" is not always accurate. It could also depend on who is funding the study. Unfortunately, many studies end in what is considered "fact", until another study disproves it. Kinda like death by lethal injection has possibly become cruel and unusual punishment...go figure...

There are no gay people in Iran because they are hung or leave the country. Hanging a person in public sure does discourage homosexual behavior in that country, would you agree?

Anonymous said...

"You do the crime you do the Fine". (an eye for a eye!!) It should be like it was in the old days hang 'em at the courthouse!

Anonymous said...

denny, I would not agree with you regarding Iran. Firstly, your discussion discusses two different issues, "gay people in iran" and "homosexual behavior". While they are related, they are not the same thing.

While I cannot disagree that if a person is hung (until dead), they will no longer voluntarily be involved in future homosexual behavior. However, I join with the audience at Columbia that laughed at the Iranian President's assertion that thare are no gay people in Iran.