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2.04.2007

The Heck With All This Super Bowl Talk

Let's talk about genital warts. Gov. Rick Perry on Friday issued an executive order calling for all girls entering sixth grade in Texas, starting in September 2008, to receive a vaccine against a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer. While Texas parents will be allowed to opt out of having their daughters get the vaccine, conservative groups are protesting. I can't believe it, but Perry deserves credit on this one. And I think I'll label those against the idea as "Pro-Cervical Cancer."

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

I disagree...
Perry needs to mind his own damn business…He is telling parents that they have to do this but the cost is almost 400.00 and if insurance does not pay for this which will be the case for the ones that need it most….will he pay for the immunization……Perry is an arrogant ass that needs to mind his own business…..

Anonymous said...

Kind of implies that all girls will be sexually promiscuous when they get older, doesn't it? What about girls who grow up to be non-whores? Do they have to get stuck with a needle at age 12 by order of the governor just because it's assumed all females will get an STD? Thank goodness parents can apply for the "my daughter is not a slut" exemption.

Anonymous said...

As a mother of a daughter I was really torn about the vac - thankfully I have several years to mull it through before the decision needs to be made.

That said - I am TOTALLY against having the government mandate a vac for a STD that is completly preventable. ESPECIALLY since it is mandated by a man who has a large reputation for hitting on other people than his wife.

This really is a decision for parents and their doctors to make together - not for the government to decide. What next - will they start passing out condoms in kindergarten??

Anonymous said...

Let's see...$400 seems a cheap price to pay to ensure that your daughter will not get one of the most difficult to diagnose cancers. You don't have to be a "slut" to get HPV. When I read these posts, I really regret that we can't vaccinate against stupidity.

TXsharon said...

9:58 anon. Non whores can get HPV even if they are virgins (reality check) when they get married because their husbans can unknowingly give it to them.

There are problems with the vaccine in that it has caused some side effects and it contains aluminum.

With regular pap smears, most cervical cancer can be prevented and deaths are about 1% of the population. Once you receive a vaccination that might not be so safe after all, the damage could last a lifetime.

I think there needs to be more testing of the vaccine to be sure it's safe. Of course, this is not about safety or health but about money.

m&m said...

It does seem like an extreme measure to take for a disease that kills about 3600 in the US annually. What happened to conservatives being in favor of small government, less government intrusion into our lives? There's some talk out and about that he's friends with Merck people, the manufacturer of the vaccine. We all know their current troubles with Viox etc. What better way to help bail out some friends than make their product mandatory?

Anonymous said...

★BSG You are on TV now...

Anonymous said...

You are all missing the real reason this is being done. Can you say "under the table payola from Merck?"

Anonymous said...

Hurray for the Guv.

Even if this is the lobby at work -- and it might be -- the vaccine will save lives.

I'm surprised to see some folks blaming women for cancer -- as if there is some way to prevent it.

There is no way to prevent HPV besides permanent abstinence, even in marriage.

There is no way to "test" a husband to see if he's HPV-free. Condoms help, but they don't prevent HPV where the skin does come in contact -- outside the edge of the condom.

And the people suggesting "education" -- education about what? The benefits of joining a nunnery?

This will become an automatic vaccination within a few years.

Perry is putting Texas women first.

Anonymous said...

I figure that the children that can't afford it will probably be on the CHIPSs helath insurance, won't they? I assume that would cover the costs, right?

Anonymous said...

This vaccine deals with a very nasty and too common disease . There is evidence that this vaccine can greatly reduce a person's likelihood of contracting it. The objections based upon your belief that your daughter is not a "slut" are self-serving and unsophisticated. I suppose there were people who objected to the various imperfect polio vaccines, too. But that disease has been all but eliminated where the shots have been used.

I'm concerned that the cost will cause some moderate income people form getting the protection. Poor people will get the shots free. All of our daughters deserve the best protection available.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me like some wanna-be big name REBUPLIC trying to find away to finance a run @ national office.

Mary Mack said...

Nothing is completely preventable...except abstaining which most people should realize isn't going to happen. It's not about being a slut. It's about making sure YOU are protected. What if you're married and your husband cheats? There's no guarantee the person you are with is being truthful about their sexual history or is being monogamous. I think this is a good thing. It will still protect the girl of the mom who says, "My daughter will never...!"

Anonymous said...

Sheehan got her warts before she was 12.

Anonymous said...

shehann's got vagina warts
shehann's got vaginal warts!
hahahaha!!

Anonymous said...

Sheehan has aluminum warts.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, people. STDs are 100% preventable. They just are. Have we given up as a society? Are we now just accepting there can no longer be first relationships that remain monogamous? Instead, we assume that even if a girl is a virgin at marriage, somehow the guy is a skank and will give her an STD? All 12 year olds now need a shot because it has been predetermined they will be at risk of an STD. If you believe that, then why not head down to the courthouse right now and hand over $100 for the speeding ticket you'll probably get in the future. That's as preventable as getting an STD. 100%.

Anonymous said...

Some of you have your heads so far in La La land it amazes me that you can function each day. Yeah, this is all about money. How dare someone tell me what to do with my children especially, the Governor of Texas. Geeez... Hello, this is about health. Isn't that important? Or, is it more important to hate? Parents don't seem to have any problem with the normal vaccinations children are required to have, which also have side affects. What's the difference? I have to laugh at parents who think their children would never.... Now, that's a joke.

Gleemonex said...

9:58 #1: Did you not get that pro-cervical-cancer parents can opt out? And this WILL be covered by most insurance. It's like any vaccine, OK? Are you against vaccinating for measles, rubella, and polio too?

9:58 #1: "Slut" and "whore" have nothing to do with it. One single sexual encounter in your entire lifetime is enough. Your virgin daughter could catch it from her non-virgin husband on her wedding night. She could also get raped by her drunk uncle -- and get a deadly cancer in the bargain! Good times, huh? It sure is fun to judge!

m&m: so, 3600 painful, horrible, and completely preventable deaths each year is A-OK with you?

10:22: it isn't under the table. Merck is a documented contributor to Perry's campaign and to the TX Lege, no secret about that. I'm glad to see that $$ going to do good instead of evil, for once.

Can't believe I'm hearing myself say this, but: Bravo, Gov. Perry.

Anonymous said...

Amen to anonymous No. 1 to the whole post.

If he really wants to be a hero on this, (and certainly it is an important issue).... let the state PAY for these shots.

But wait, Republicans can't do that. Keep government out of things.

Rick Perry IS a genital wart.

Gleemonex said...

1:54: That's just way too black and white. What about a person who UNWILLINGLY has sexual contact -- i.e. rape or molestation? This is no different than any other vaccine (e.g. polio) for a disease you are probably not likely to get, but the consequences could be severe -- even fatal -- if you do, or taking preventive measures in other areas of life: the excellent driver who's never had a wreck, who nonetheless uses a seatbelt every time he drives, for example. You need to think beyond your own personal experiences and your bias toward this information, and allow for a little gray area. Not everyone else in the world is you, you know?

mzchief said...

Yikes!
Mention ANYTHING about sex and preventing a STD or pregnancy and every person with a Bible mounts THEIR high horse.

FACT:
1. Even VIRGINS get raped by rapists with HPV or MARRY guys with HPV.

2. Not ALL females who have sex with a male are "sluts", SOME of them MAY be YOUR responsible honour student of a DAUGHTER making a SINGLE bad choice.

3. $400.00 is PEANUTS compared to what it costs to treat cervical cancer and is a drop in the bucket compared to what it costs to pay for AUTO insurance when your daughter reaches 16.

Parents NEVER for a moment think that when they put a spare tire in the trunk of their CHILD'S car and teach them to change a flat tire they are ENCOURAGING their child to drive over nails and glass and GET a flat tire.

That being true, makes it RIDICULOUS for parents to believe that by giving their DATING hormone enraged CHILD access to birth control and STD prevention as well as teaching them about the PROPER use of birth control they are ENCOURAGING their CHILD to be a "SLUT".

GIVE THEM THE TRUTH!
Take the MORALITY out of WHY they should NOT be having sex and give them the FACTS.

1. NEVER bone someone you do NOT want as the PARENT of YOUR baby.

2. NEVER bone someone you do NOT want to deal with FOREVER.

3. NEVER bone someone if you are UNable to afford raising a child.

4. NEVER bone someone UNTIL you are READY to put YOUR dreams on hold for 20+ years.

FACT: A teenage female is fertile FIVE of EVERY 28 days thus, IF it was NOT for a penis a teenage FEMALE would NEVER get pregnant even if she wanted. In other words, PARENTS, teach your sons to keep IT zipped.

Perhaps I believe it is the MALE who is responsible when the female gets pregnant because I have a son.

Anonymous said...

I just wanna bone you Mzchief.

Anonymous said...

Sheehan got her warts from Oldphilosifer back in the Day.

Anonymous said...

Folks, on a blog like this you can't address every single individual situation or possibility as an exception to a broader rule. There will be MILLIONS of girls and boys in this country that grow up, qualify to wear white at their weddings, remain monogamous, and somehow avoid rape or other unwilling exposure to STDs. So why should a governor proclaim there won't be?

Anonymous said...

Just to be safe and fair, Perry should by executive order, order immunization for boys. The boys parents can pay for a vaccine to keep them from getting the warts that give cancer to the girls.

Why is always the girls that have to be held reponsible?

TXsharon said...

This thread is a riot! I have to share the link with my cyber friends.

mzchief: I have two boys and I feel exactly the same way you do and have told them that since there cannot be a preganacy without sperm it is their responsibility.

comment4U said...

I can't believe MZ said "bone." lol

mzchief said...

To anonyNOTHING 3:21...
The governor is making Gardasil a requirement for the EXACT same REASON and PURPOSE school districts throughout the United States REQUIRE students to have taken the polio vaccine PRIOR to entering 1st grade. It is called PREVENTION for the BENEFIT and INTEREST of PUBLIC HEALTH.

Do YOU know ANYONE who has come in contact with the polio virus?

mzchief said...

To c4u...
It was use the word "bone" or the term "make sexy time".

My frat rat son has been a HORRIBLE influence on me.

*;)

m&m said...

mzchief: I think on the surface it appears to be for the public good and public health, but I do not trust any politician and there is always some underlying issue,(almost always involving money) whenever they take some action like this.

I do think you would make a great lobbyist for Merck. I can see you at every legislature in all 50 states making a good argument.

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected.

HPV can be prevented if both the husband and wife are virgins at marriage.

How often does that happen in Wise County?

Anonymous said...

I hope Barry got his shot before he heads out to the tittie bar for his birthday.

Kingfish said...

They make a new drug for this now, it is called Noazzatall.

m&m said...

Gleemonex: "completely preventable deaths" is completely false. The vaccine only protects against 70% of the cervical cancer cases. It is not a 100% protection against cervical cancer.

m&m said...

I have nothing against the vaccine itself and if it saves lives, that's fantastic. Let the public choose for themselves if they want it or not.

I don't like Perry signing an executive order for this. It begs the question, 'why'. Bills have been filed in the legislature. They were waiting for debate and the process to move on. And now Perry circumvented the whole process. Why? Why not let the process occur with public debate etc? What's the hurry?

Here's some new light on the subject. GlaxoKlineSmith is on the verge of releasing a similar vaccine, called Cervarix, which would create some unwelcome competition for Mercks's Gardasil. Perhaps that is the reason for the executive order. And you notice in the order he specifically named the vaccine Gardasil.

Those of you saying it is like the regular vaccinations kids get all the time, you are wrong. The reason they are mandated is because of how they are spread, which is just everyday, normal contact. Such as in a school classrooms. These viruses(HPV) are spread only by sexual contact, thus making it difficult to justify mandating them for school attendance.

Final note: 36,000 people die from the flu every year in the US. 10 times the number that die from cervical cancer. Where is the mandate from Perry that everyone get a flu shot?

Gleemonex said...

OK, 70% then -- so 2,520 women's lives aren't worth saving? Not to mention that those are just the DEATHS -- earlier stages of ovarian cancer can render a woman infertile, and in any case will require surgery and possibly chemotherapy. It's not OK for this to happen to anyone, especially when it's preventable.

TXsharon said...

This vaccine has not been proven to be safe. Link

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

Maybe we should ask why Michigan, Maryland, and Indiana decided against mandating this vaccine.

The FDA's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System has already received 82 reports of serious adverse events following HPV vaccination with Gardasil since its approval last June.

More questions remain. Disclaimers printed on the manufacturer's package inset state that the vaccine has not been tested for it's own ability to cause cancer [17] and the effect on a woman's reproductive capacity is unknown. [18] Additionally, the vaccine is genetically engineered yet the manufacturer admits it has not tested the vaccine for genotoxicity[17] (testing to see if the vaccine is toxic to our own human DNA). Each dose of the vaccine contains 225 mcg of aluminum [6] which means girls receiving all 3 HPV doses will be directly injected with 675 mcg of aluminum.

Anonymous said...

Shut up Sheehan !

comment4U said...

LOL, Mz...for the sailor that I tend to be, I still have my prissy moments. "Make sexy time" made me laugh...;)