Comments?? do I see comments??? Is the grip of Red China loosening?
ABSOLUTELY, GOD wants us to be rich however GOD does not lower His standards to measure wealth in the same way as fallen human beings. God sees no wealth in a Rolls Royce. It's all in your perspective.
Glad comments are back......... everyone please be a "Kinder, gentler Barry nation"
I beg to differ. I don't believe God ever intended for the 3 richest guys in the world to hold more wealth than the bottom 46 COUNTRIES! (If anyone wants a source for that info...I'd be glad to give it.) That is completely immoral. I believe God cares very deeply about where the money goes, because he cares deeply about the plight of the poor.
I have learned from the experience of Barry not allowing comments. We should treat one another the same way we would if we were talking face to face.
From now on, when someone I don't like on this blog pisses me off...I am going to be slow to speak and hold my tongue. :)
While I'm Conservative, and Christian-ish, I disagree with the underlying premise of the question. The Bible actually says, "The love of money is the root of all evil," since it distracts from the love of God.
To say that God "wants" us to be rich implies that God favors those who have money. I only agree with the premise if we interpret "rich" as in "living a rich or fulfilling life."
Money (and having money) is not a moral issue. It is a by-product of choices we make along the way while we live our lives. Some people consciously choose lifestyles that are "rich" in ways other than the accumulation of money. Others make poor choices that deprive them of opportunites to make money, even though they'd like to.
But of course this will be twisted to talk bad about all those "rich Republicans."
wordkyle you are right the Bible does say the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil! It does not say that money is evil, but the LOVE of it. Notice it says that the love of money is the root of ALL EVIL! What does that say? At the root of evil is the LOVE OF MONEY! think of it! every evil thing in this world that is evil the root of it is the love of money!!! WOW think about it!
The favor of God is not fair! Just ask Cain! Go read Genesis 4:2-8
vr 6 God asked Cain Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fell. vr 7 is the key, If you do well, will you not be accepted? sin lies at your door and its desire is for you, but you should rule over it!
But sin got him!!!! It wasn't that Able's offering was better but God favored Able's over Cains! God's favor is not fair!!!
Does God mind if we are rich? No as long as we do not love money! Money is a tool! To be used to spread the good news!!
2 Cor 9:8 tells us about money ANd God is able to make all grace abound toward you! that you, ALWAYS HAVING ALL SUFFICENCY IN ALL THINGS, may have an abundance for EVERY good work! Now paul was talking about money here. To be rich in God's terms is always having enough to give to every good work!
Now I'm a conservative Christian, a rich republican, but Im not there yet where I can give in abundance to every good work but that is my goal! If that is not your goal, if its just me my 4 and no more! well shame on you! Read vr 10!!!! God is so good!
Saying that having money is a result of our choices is completely simplistic. Not everyone has the same choices. One must consider the fact that most people without money have few choices. All across the globe, poverty is most rampant among the elderly, disabled, women, and CHILDREN by no choice of their own!
Does God want us to be rich? I don't think so. I think he expects the wealth to be more evenly distributed in this world, so that EVERYONE has what they NEED, which isn't happening.
I believe God DOES NOT want poverty, and that is why it is immoral to store up huge amounts of money!
Do you think God approves of the huge income disparity in the world? I don't think so. There is enough money is this world to COMPLETELY wipe out poverty. Why hasn't this been done? What excuse are we going to give GOD?
I am easily confused by what I see as a basic conflict on matters like these. If there is a God, then would God not be in control of everything? Surely he would not bounce around only to help some guy sink a putt, keep a marriage together, or redirect and oncoming tornado. I would think a God would be God, and all things good and bad were a result of God's will. So, if God "wants" us to be rich monetarily, then why aren't we? I agree that the answer is clearly no.
"Woman your fine ointment, brand new and expensive, should have been saved for the poor. Why has it been wasted? We could have raised maybe three hundred silver pieces or more."
"Try not to get worried. Try not to turn on to problems that upset you. Oh, don't you know everything's alright. Yes everything's fine, and we want you to sleep well tonight."
"Saying that having money is a result of our choices is completely simplistic. Not everyone has the same choices. One must consider the fact that most people without money have few choices. All across the globe, poverty is most rampant among the elderly, disabled, women, and CHILDREN by no choice of their own!"
1) The fact is that everyone with consciousness has choices. All across the globe, even in countries and villages that we would consider impoverished, there is an income disparity; some people have more than others because of the choices they made.
2) If you say that America has poverty, consider if you took those people and transplanted them and their lifestyle into the middle of an impoverished nation. They would then be considered "rich." "Rich" and "poor" are relative terms.
3) If you want to redistribute America's wealth, we would have to take away from America's poor, also.
4) Your "solution" of redistribution would never end, as those who produce and earn income would continually have it taken away to give to those who don't produce. Eventually they would get tired of it, and you'd have a population of non-producers. Besides, who would determine each person's needs?
5) It's interesting that you assign God communist/socialist tendencies. Money, in and of itself, is amoral.
6) According to the American Association of Fundraising, Counsel "American individuals, estates, foundations, and corporations" gave $241 billion to charity in 2003 – privately and voluntarily, a sum that excludes the cost of volunteer work. As a percentage of their aggregate income, Americans give more to charity than citizens of any other country.
Of course, a "Megachurch" would say God wanted them to be rich. How else would a pastor of that type of church live in a big home or drive a fancy car? I've been to Megachurches. The main topic is "How much money are you going to give me today?" Daddy needs a new BMW. Geeeez.... What a scam.
Can you please not get so biblical, I LOVE JESUS , but you POSTERS wear my ass out . I know the bible , as do many of the people that read this . But those long ass responces kill me . STATE "YOUR" POINT and get along!
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I'm afraid the answer is really "no".
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Comments?? do I see comments??? Is the grip of Red China loosening?
ABSOLUTELY, GOD wants us to be rich however GOD does not lower His standards to measure wealth in the same way as fallen human beings. God sees no wealth in a Rolls Royce. It's all in your perspective.
Glad comments are back......... everyone please be a "Kinder, gentler Barry nation"
I would bet dollars to dimes God does NOT give a rat's hind end about who is or is NOT "rich"!
I do believe God is just a wee bit torqued about what is done "In the name of God!"
I beg to differ. I don't believe God ever intended for the 3 richest guys in the world to hold more wealth than the bottom 46 COUNTRIES! (If anyone wants a source for that info...I'd be glad to give it.) That is completely immoral. I believe God cares very deeply about where the money goes, because he cares deeply about the plight of the poor.
I have learned from the experience of Barry not allowing comments. We should treat one another the same way we would if we were talking face to face.
From now on, when someone I don't like on this blog pisses me off...I am going to be slow to speak and hold my tongue. :)
Let the comments begin ! You couldn't take it could you Barry ? Good call though.
While I'm Conservative, and Christian-ish, I disagree with the underlying premise of the question. The Bible actually says, "The love of money is the root of all evil," since it distracts from the love of God.
To say that God "wants" us to be rich implies that God favors those who have money. I only agree with the premise if we interpret "rich" as in "living a rich or fulfilling life."
Money (and having money) is not a moral issue. It is a by-product of choices we make along the way while we live our lives. Some people consciously choose lifestyles that are "rich" in ways other than the accumulation of money. Others make poor choices that deprive them of opportunites to make money, even though they'd like to.
But of course this will be twisted to talk bad about all those "rich Republicans."
wordkyle you are right the Bible does say the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil! It does not say that money is evil, but the LOVE of it. Notice it says that the love of money is the root of ALL EVIL! What does that say? At the root of evil is the LOVE OF MONEY! think of it! every evil thing in this world that is evil the root of it is the love of money!!! WOW think about it!
The favor of God is not fair!
Just ask Cain! Go read Genesis 4:2-8
vr 6 God asked Cain Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fell. vr 7 is the key, If you do well, will you not be accepted? sin lies at your door and its desire is for you, but you should rule over it!
But sin got him!!!!
It wasn't that Able's offering was better but God favored Able's over Cains! God's favor is not fair!!!
Does God mind if we are rich? No as long as we do not love money! Money is a tool! To be used to spread the good news!!
2 Cor 9:8 tells us about money
ANd God is able to make all grace abound toward you! that you, ALWAYS HAVING ALL SUFFICENCY IN ALL THINGS, may have an abundance for EVERY good work!
Now paul was talking about money here. To be rich in God's terms is always having enough to give to every good work!
Now I'm a conservative Christian, a rich republican, but Im not there yet where I can give in abundance to every good work but that is my goal! If that is not your goal, if its just me my 4 and no more! well shame on you! Read vr 10!!!! God is so good!
Saying that having money is a result of our choices is completely simplistic. Not everyone has the same choices. One must consider the fact that most people without money have few choices. All across the globe, poverty is most rampant among the elderly, disabled, women, and CHILDREN by no choice of their own!
Does God want us to be rich? I don't think so. I think he expects the wealth to be more evenly distributed in this world, so that EVERYONE has what they NEED, which isn't happening.
I believe God DOES NOT want poverty, and that is why it is immoral to store up huge amounts of money!
Do you think God approves of the huge income disparity in the world?
I don't think so. There is enough money is this world to COMPLETELY wipe out poverty. Why hasn't this been done? What excuse are we going to give GOD?
Greed is a vey bad thing.
I am easily confused by what I see as a basic conflict on matters like these. If there is a God, then would God not be in control of everything? Surely he would not bounce around only to help some guy sink a putt, keep a marriage together, or redirect and oncoming tornado. I would think a God would be God, and all things good and bad were a result of God's will. So, if God "wants" us to be rich monetarily, then why aren't we? I agree that the answer is clearly no.
"Woman your fine ointment, brand new and expensive, should have been saved for the poor. Why has it been wasted? We could have raised maybe three hundred silver pieces or more."
"Try not to get worried. Try not to turn on to problems that upset you. Oh, don't you know
everything's alright. Yes everything's fine, and we want you to sleep well tonight."
---Jesus Christ Superstar
Anonymous 1:36 p.m. said:
"Saying that having money is a result of our choices is completely simplistic. Not everyone has the same choices. One must consider the fact that most people without money have few choices. All across the globe, poverty is most rampant among the elderly, disabled, women, and CHILDREN by no choice of their own!"
1) The fact is that everyone with consciousness has choices. All across the globe, even in countries and villages that we would consider impoverished, there is an income disparity; some people have more than others because of the choices they made.
2) If you say that America has poverty, consider if you took those people and transplanted them and their lifestyle into the middle of an impoverished nation. They would then be considered "rich." "Rich" and "poor" are relative terms.
3) If you want to redistribute America's wealth, we would have to take away from America's poor, also.
4) Your "solution" of redistribution would never end, as those who produce and earn income would continually have it taken away to give to those who don't produce. Eventually they would get tired of it, and you'd have a population of non-producers. Besides, who would determine each person's needs?
5) It's interesting that you assign God communist/socialist tendencies. Money, in and of itself, is amoral.
6) According to the American Association of Fundraising, Counsel "American individuals, estates, foundations, and corporations" gave $241 billion to charity in 2003 – privately and voluntarily, a sum that excludes the cost of volunteer work. As a percentage of their aggregate income, Americans give more to charity than citizens of any other country.
That's what "immoral" America does for the world.
Of course, a "Megachurch" would say God wanted them to be rich. How else would a pastor of that type of church live in a big home or drive a fancy car? I've been to Megachurches. The main topic is "How much money are you going to give me today?" Daddy needs a new BMW. Geeeez.... What a scam.
Is God a capitalist?
"God always has another custard pie up his sleeve."
---Lynn Redgrave
read Mark 4:24-25!
Jesus said the poor you will always have with you!!!!!!!
A lot of people are poor because they want to be!!!!
OH god..the churchies are bumpin again....here we go...
Can you please not get so biblical, I LOVE JESUS , but you POSTERS wear my ass out . I know the bible , as do many of the people that read this . But those long ass responces kill me . STATE "YOUR" POINT and get along!
Point taken. My loquaciousness stops here.
Unfortunately, people in this world DO NOT have the SAME choices.
I never said people have the SAME choices. But everybody has choices that lead to consequences, some of which are money, and some of which are not.
The answer is in the Book of Oprah, Chapter one, verses 1-13.
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