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10.07.2011

"Letter From Decatur": Ultimate Fracking Fighters


This couple seems to be everywhere with their Anti-Fracking cause, and the above article comes from this month's Texas Monthly.  Their claims may be true or false, I don't know. But their biggest complaint seems to be something that could happen to any of us. We live on land where the mineral interest is owned by someone else. When they come to exercise that right, it may not be pretty.

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

On December 21 2012 we will all be fracked.

Anonymous said...

I like people that stand up for something. Most of us never do...

Anonymous said...

If I own the minerals under your place.. I'm getting them. You knew they were mine when you bought it..

Anonymous said...

Maybe they need to park their cars and turn their electricity off, then the oil&gas companies wouldnt need to frac.
Then this poor couple could spend all day with each other fracking.

Anonymous said...

My wife joined the anti-fracking cause.

Anonymous said...

Let. It. Go. I guess you can move! Did they not know someone else had the mineral rights when they bought the property (do they OWN the property????)
I don't know--maybe they are just pissed that THEY don't own the mineral rights themselves? I would venture to guess that if they were drawing one of those big checks every month, they wouldn't be bitching quite so much/loudly. I know I wouldn't!!! lol Bring on the drill boys! I have property AND mineral rights!

Anonymous said...

You mineral owners are the greediest bunch. You don't care what it does to someone else's property or lifestyle, as long as you get your f...n check. Completely disrupt people's lives but you don't care. I lived on my property for over 20 years before they drilled on my place. I feel more for my neighbor. They are closer to their house than mine. If I had only built that barn several years ago, they would not have been able to drill. And there goes the property I wanted to give to my kids so they could build a house on someday. Thanks to big oil. At least I can just be thankful that gas is cheap (?) and electricity is cheap and in plentiful supply. And BG, why did ypou not post my previous comment? Every time I have mentioned that there is case law to stop the oil companies, you refuse to post my comment.

Big Ed

Anonymous said...

Another case of trying to move to the country and not reading your contracts. It is their own fault and they should just let it go. If i were the drilling company, there would be 3 more wells right through the middle of the house.

Anonymous said...

I don't give a frack... ♫

Anonymous said...

I know of Frick and Frack. Is this the same family? And what happened to Frick?

Anonymous said...

People you knew the mineral right belong to someone else when you bought the place or at least I hope you can read the deed!
If they had bought the rights to someone else place what would you have done not drill?
Somebody way before you was a little smarter they kept them .

Anonymous said...

Big Ed = another person who doesn't have mineral rights and wants to complain. LOSER

Jarhead said...

I don't care if they have to put a rig in your living room, drive a tanker truck over your dog and frack your sister.

Just as long as I have enough gas to keep my pool heated. It's getting down in the 50s at night and that water is downright chilly. brrrrr.

#countryassproblems

Anonymous said...

Do you realize how much money is pumped into our economy because of the oil field. How many jobs are made available because of the oil field? You take away fracing or any part of the oil field and see what you get. You think we are in a bad economy now. I thank my lucky stars for the Barnett Shale and everything it has done for us. If you are wondering...NO I do not draw a mineral check each month.

Anonymous said...

2:44

You're f..n attitude is the whole problem.

Big Ed

Anonymous said...

Big oil is prime example of Rick Perry's worth. They simply ignore leases. Little guy can't sue do to torte reform. Texas RR Commision needs to shut down and save us some money as they literally do nothing but draw a paycheck.

Buyer may or maynot have known about minerals depending on who did his paper work. Regardless oil co could work with surface owner about placement as well as just compensation, but they don't becasue they don't have to, they own Rick Perry and his RRC.

A big check doesn't make up for changes in your quality of life.

Anonymous said...

2:44...you are exactly the sort of a-hole that causes problems like the one these folks had. Glad you don't work for me! There is nothing in a Producer's 88 (the standard oil and gas lease executed here in Texas) that says the Mineral owner gets to run rough sode over the surface owner, or, that if the mineral owner doesn't like the surface owner's attitude, it can drill extra wells out of spite. Grow up, or, on second thought, maybe you are grown up, just not educated. The mineral owner/operator is supposed to take pains to make sure they don't cause unnecessary damage to the surface estate in the pursuit of the minerals. that doesn't appear to have been done in the case of these folks, but hey, maybe it is the sort of thing that has to happen to you for you to understand. Here's hoping...

Anonymous said...

Quit blaming people. When you buy land, read what you sign. Don't be ignorant. Your comments blaming others is what is wrong about this country. Take some responsibility.

Adolph Oliver Bush said...

Big ED, BG probably didn't post it because he didn't want to pass along false hope.

The mineral estate is the dominant estate in Texas. While there may be case law to stop drilling, I would venture a guess that it was a VERY specific fact situation.

Anonymous said...

Who in their right mind would ever expect that when you buy a piece of property, someone else can come in and take a portion away whenever they decide it is in their own best interest to do so. This is America. If you own something, it is yours. Unless it is land in oil country. Then someone else came come right through your front door anytime they please with no consequenses. And the law is backing them all the way to the bank. This is not reasonable. It may be legal, but not reasonable.

Anonymous said...

Hey Big Ed...... I don't give a rats rear end about your situation.
This country was, and IS, built on the backs of people that DO something.
Take your crybaby *ss to some other forum.
(oh... and quit with the whinny *ss "ohhhh BG..... (whining voice) why did you not post my previous comment?" - dammmn G U R L.... you make me sick! - go sit in the corner.!

Anonymous said...

Now I'm all bummed out about Big Ed not owning the minerals under his place and "big oil" has prevented his kids from living really close. Where is the tissue when you need it? Oh, Big Ed.. why did you buy that place and not own the minerals? Think it was worth the risk at the time?

Anonymous said...

Meantime, they'll keep using gasoline, plastic products, natural gas, and a host of products and services that depend on drilling for creation or delivery. Hypocrits. When they start walking everywhere they need to go, not using electricity generated by natural gas, and so forth...then we'll listen.

Anonymous said...

Heaven forbid you say something bad about the oil industry in Wise County. They are a sensitive lot. Fracking is like brain surgery, if its done proper, no problem. One mistake and you are screwed. Once water is contaminated you cant uncontaminate it.

Anonymous said...

If I had only built that barn several years ago, they would not have been able to drill.

False. The mineral estate is dominant in Texas. If they need to tear your house down to get at the minerals, they can. Just pray they don't find coal under there, or they will.

By the way, what happened to all of your pro-business conservative rhetoric? Guess it's different when it affects you personally.

Suck it.

Rage

Anonymous said...

Something to think about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we depleteing our oil supply for the sake of natural gas?

To drill and frack for NG the drilling rigs are powered by diesel (a by-product of oil), the frack trucks are powered by diesel, the water trucks that run 24/7 are powered by diesel, roustabout trucks powered by diesel, the list goes on.
The bottom line is that it takes a heck of a lot oil to drill for natural gas.

Until we convert all these diesel burning engines to natural gas, it just looks to me like we are going to deplete oil for the sake of NG. Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't we be trying to conserve oil?

Anonymous said...

If you own --- acres of mineral rights there is no reason for the oil company to drill right near a dwelling. Use some common sense. Certainly that wasn't the only place on that property they could drill.

Anonymous said...

As a land owner, I have worked with these guys for land damage. You can be reasonable and they will go out of their way to work with you, but be a di&^ and watch out! THESE land owners are the greedy ones! Mad cause they don't have minerals and trying to run over someone to get something extra. COme back to bite you! Karma's a biotch!

Anonymous said...

"Who in their right mind would ever expect that when you buy a piece of property, someone else can come in and take a portion away whenever they decide it is in their own best interest to do so. This is America. If you own something, it is yours."

Who would expect it? Anyone that read their deed and asked "What does surface estate ONLY mean?" I'm sorry you didn't understand what you were signing and ass/u/me that mineral rights went with the property. Maybe you should make an offer to buy those mineral rights and you will find out what the true value of the whole property is worth. You made a bad deal and now are living with the consequences. Quit whining.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:03
Peterbilt is building heavy trucks that run on LNG and they're just starting to roll them out. The biggest problem with a massive roll over is that there aren't enough filling stations in the DFW metro area to support CNG and LNG conversions. Give it a few years and the infrastructure will be in place to support the changeover. It's amazing that natural gas went from ~$14MCF in 2007-2008 down to $3.60 this past week. The solution they cooked up is amazing.. Rather than reduce supply to drive up the price per MCF (which is what you might remember from macroeconomics 101), they have taken advantage of lower lifting costs, increased the supply, and spent who knows how much to drive up demand.

And for those who have issues with the O&G companies.. It's just like anything. Treat people how you want to be treated and you'll be surprised at the results. If you act like a whiny douchenozzle then you're going to get treated like a whiny douchenozzle. The only places around here with room for those douchnozzles Dallas and oklahoma.. so gtfo.

Anonymous said...

The owners were paid for surface damages and paid very well. I'm sure by the reading I've done they were hard to deal with to arubas landmen. They had the right not to take the money but they did then cried wolf. There land and home appraisal figures where based off wise counties wonderful over inflated figures which I bet they didn't fight. Instead of raising tax rates here, they just raise the value. Your land doesn't go from 250k to 78k overnight without you fighting it. Bet they didn't fight it before Aruba came in so they could have a better story for the press.

Anonymous said...

What's a douchnozzle? Is that a dive used in the oilfield?

Anonymous said...

Always... Always, read the small print!

Anonymous said...

Hey Ed, I've said it on here before and I'll say it again. When you completely quit using any sort of plastic, a vehicle, soaps/shampoos, powering your home, or purchasing ANY product transported by something other than a Chevy Volt, then you can complain about oil and gas. You're nothing more than another hypocrite that wants to Complain about it when you're just as addicted to it as the rest of us. . . People like you make me laugh to the point of blacking out because I can't breath. That's how pathetic you all are. Argue that, please.

RM

Anonymous said...

Mineral rights don't just cover gas and oil;coal and limestone are others that we have here.I own both and they are not for sale.Smart people read their contracts.You would be surprised at the people that buy next to crusher property then bitch about the explosives.

Anonymous said...

Most of you that are complaining about O&G companies would be in a world of hurt if they stopped drilling and went somewhere else. The Wise County economy, and a big part of the North Texas economy, would plummet. Any other industry (except maybe for the crushers)would tank because of the mass exudus of people who would be out of jobs and moving to the next production area. The local economy has stayed afloat here while many others have plummeted because of the O&G industry. It is unfortunate that some surface owners have problems but if you want to live in Texas that is something that you will face. Most property in and around Wise County is surface only at this point in time. Good luck fiding property where 100% of the minerals are in the deal too.

Anonymous said...

Wise county rednecks and their floorhand mentality.

Anonymous said...

He can frack me anytime. The wife, not so much.



Rage

Anonymous said...

There is a lesson here for everybody. Do not ever buy property without at least a portion of the mineral rights. Negotiate a portion of the minerals, push the price of the property down where you can live with or accept loss in case the companies want to drill in your front yard or pass on the property.

I get a little tired of hearing the poor property owner complain that he has been duped. Who held the gun to his head to buy the property.

I see the mineral owner's side of the issue. I sell my property for a premium and keep the most valuable part of the property without paying taxes on it.

I would not buy property without a portion of the minerals for more than about $5 an acre. Without the minerals, it is not worth much more than that.

Anonymous said...

Ahem, 9:18, that is why you'll never be a land owner little fella.

Anonymous said...

We can go on with fracing of the wells we have rain and some water to use now.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I make a comment about trying to keep what is mine and every piece of "oil field trash" in the county decides to take an anonymous shot at me. Wait until someone comes to take something of yours and tells you that you have no grounds to stop them. I tried to sell my entire property to the oil company so I could move on and their response was "we are not in the real estate business." No, just in the steal estate business.

Big Ed

aroundthecorner said...

Big Ed
I was understanding of your situation till you started name calling and throwing everyone(oil field trash) in the same barrel. After our discussion, are you saying that I am "oil field trash"?

Anonymous said...

The people that say things like "tough luck" or "move if you don't like it" or "you should have read your contract" and do not have any dogs in the fight, are the trash. They could not care any less about their fellow man as long as they get their check. Whether royality check or paycheck, if that is your attitude, then you are included. If you are showing concern that an industry is running roughshod over the people and trampling on our individual property rights, then you are not included. From the start, you had a chip on your shoulder and tried to defend those that should have their attitude adjusted. Eventually, it will all catch up to them.

Big Ed
Big Ed

Anonymous said...

Big Ed, Devon has some openings in the land dept. and Drilling Dept. if you want one of them paychecks we get.

Anonymous said...

I searched your post Big Ed and didn't find one inclusion of any utility company also being "trash" too. Mmmmmm...what's that all about, Mr.?

Anonymous said...

Mineral rights mean more than property rights.

Don't be so dumb, Big Ed.

We are taught this all our lives.

Anonymous said...

Is Big Ed - Martinez?

aroundthecorner said...

Nope, that "Big Ed" can't spell that good. LMBO