9.01.2009

The Arms Race Continues

From the Update. Your question should be: "Tell us exactly how much of that money would go towards athletics."

89 comments:

Goober said...

Dollar to a dime says the final vote talley will be something along the same perrcentage line of the board vote on "TURF"!

Anonymous said...

Decatur ISD is bound and determined to have new turf. What a waste of money!!!!!

J

Anonymous said...

The school boards should give the tax payers an itemized summary of exactly how the money will be spent......

Anonymous said...

Kudos to Joey Luttrull and the DISD board for allowing this to go to the voters. It is the financially responsible position of the board to take this emotionally charged item to the voters instead of their own personally driven agenda.

Anonymous said...

Bridgeport needs the break down also for the facilites. What do you bet a facility includes a new indoor facility. Wake up voters! VOTE NO AGAIN!

Anonymous said...

I have to wonder why the school thinks it is okay to spend so much money on their athletics when only two of the five schools received a recognized status in 2008. Don't you think that money should be put towards education instead of athletics?

Anonymous said...

A million here, a billion there... well, you know.

Anonymous said...

11:27 - the athletic worship doesn't just come from the school boards, administration, etc - check out the public.

And the smaller the school, the more support for athletics.

Go figure.

Anonymous said...

It isn't an accident that "and other improvements" will be somewhere in both bonds.......\giving the Sup/athletic director leeway to move money around to suit them.

Anonymous said...

SAY NO TO TURF. I'm OK with general improvements...even expanding...the Decatur football stadium. But what is the necessity of playing on turf? Next, it will be a bubble enclosed practice field, then new baseball stadiums...come on, seriously? When is enough enough? And I'm as big a football fan as there is.

Anonymous said...

Problem is...dollars won't make academics better. It might make your team better. But you can't spend more money and expect grades to improve...if you could, the kids would all be brilliant by now. Spending per student steadily rises nationwide, but the quality of education doesn't. Fixing the academics would require a rethinking of education philosophy that has spireled first one generation and then another into the abyss of mediocrity and ignorance. That has led directly to "hope and change" as a substitute for policy detail. Teach people to be stupid and they will believe anything...that has been the goal of public education since 1972...a great success.

Anonymous said...

Athletics is education,

Anonymous said...

11:10 is right on target. The rest of you, including Barry, make no sense. 1st, Barry, it's stated in the blurb that Boyd has DROPPED their athletic package bond issue. 2nd, anyone who knows how bond elections work knows that there WILL be an expense breakdown released before the election. 3rd, we already know that Decatur wants to spend about $900,000 of this on "turf". And that's the real issue. If they also want to build some more bleachers, I personally have no problem with that. And finally, the whole point here is that it won't be "the school board" making this decision now, it will be the voters. I don't think it will pass, but if it does, then I will personally stick a sock in it, and I suggest the rest of you do the same. That's democracy, folks.

Anonymous said...

This turf issue will be re-worded as many times as it takes to get it passed. The same thing as the new high school election. If is doesn't pass the first time, re-word it with "classrooms for kids" and it will go. Of course, the new high school has smaller classrooms that the old school, but we have two gyms and two football practice fields and all new fieldhouse equiptment and that is what really matters to benefit their quality of education. I guess when some of the parents have their sons lame from playing football on a concrete slab, it will be the schools fault for letting it happen!..... A Decatur parent and taxpayer against turf.

Anonymous said...

As usual---so many mis-conceptions and cloaked old wounds with regards to progress surface.
Sound voting decisions pro or con based on study of the actual content of the bond issue are fine---decisions based on wive's tales and boogey-man rhetoric are not.

Anonymous said...

VOTE "YES" AT BISD!

Anonymous said...

D.O.A. = Dorks outing athletics

G.A.T.E. = Geeks ain't tough enough

Anonymous said...

12:39...Why vote yes?

Anonymous said...

VOTE "NO" AT BISD! VOTE "NO" AT BISD!VOTE "NO" AT BISD!VOTE "NO" AT BISD!VOTE "NO" AT BISD!VOTE "NO" AT BISD!

Anonymous said...

75 % of DISD's bond goes to maintenance and the rest goes to athletics and others. Get your facts straight, geeks!

M-M said...

12:05 I agree with your logic about how increased spending on education does not equal improved education. We as a nation have proved that in the last 20 years. But I'm wondering how increased spending on athletics might make a team better? How does turf make a football team better? How does new uniforms make a team better? I don't think they do and I don't agree with you that increased spending on athletics makes them any better.

Anonymous said...

Boyd schools are failing to meet state standards for improvement,,, yet we are spending $5million + on a football field. Get rid of this school board and superinendent.

Skeered said...

Far too much money. If the money school's spent on 'parents living vicariously through their kids programs' went to academics maybe our country wouldn't be in the shape it is in.

Anonymous said...

Let's have a bond election and give us a choice 1) Ban property taxes & enable flat tax or 2) keep the same old crappy system we have

Anonymous said...

11:27
Just to be accurate- if you are referring to Decatur ISD, there were actually 3 Recognized campuses. Carson, Rann, and Intermediate were Recognized. The High School missed Recognized by a percentage point, and that is being appealed to TEA.
The sad thing about this issue is, there really is a need for safety improvements at Eagle Stadium. Especially regarding seating and restrooms. The turf debate will probably overshadow the real needs. Perhaps the school board should eliminate the turf proposal before presenting the bond to the voters.

Anonymous said...

I would like to know how much debt Decatur has on the books right now. A detail breakdown would be nice showing how much we spend on interest each year and when some of these bonds will be paid off. They are becoming like the Federal Government, borrow now, worry about it later.

My other issue is this is purely a want not a need. When all the schools are at the highest academic level then we can foolishly spend money on athletics.

M-M said...

They originally were wanting $1.5 million for the stadium. That means $6.5 million for the maintenance projects. That's a lot of carpet, tile and paint. It would be interesting to see what all that will be going for.

The big bad booster boys originally said they would pay half of the cost of turf in the stadium. What happened to that proposal? Why don't they put their money where there mouth is?

Anonymous said...

Is Bridgeport still a property rich school-do they still send money to other disticts (or however it works)???

Anonymous said...

I have a great idea. Let's do away with all athletics.

Anonymous said...

1:23 Your a F-ing moron! If anything, athletics as well as any extra curricular activity helps keep kids out of trouble. Maybe we could start a program for mailbox bashing, meth cooking, binge drinking and general hoodlum activities for you.

Anonymous said...

I'll bet the school board members who voted no have no kids in athletics! Just sayin

mzchief said...

Everyone needs to VOTE NO! to the bonds until it is publicly published in binding, DETAIL how much of these bonds are going to athletics and require administrators to publicly detail where EVERY dime is being spent.

VOTE NO! until elected officials are required to HONESTLY explain how they are spending taxes/bond money. VOTE NO! until elected and public officials are held accountable for wasting taxes/bond money.

Anonymous said...

If the Stadium is in dire need of improvements- I feel certain the majority of the Board would have approved use of the General fund to make the improvements. I am assuming it was the extravagance of the artificial turf that cost the minority Board members. I hope the public shows up to vote.

HeartStillinTexas said...

12:05, I agree the price of education has increased and the education has not improved...I no longer live in Wise County but where I live the health care insurance for teachers and staff have increased by 7 - 20% every year I have had my 16 year old in school. While their salary has increased their pay has not because that increase has gone to their insurance. I live in a state that has a restriction that teacher's pay increase can only climb 3% per year....you see the problem don't you....To bring it full circle health care reform would not only help uninsured it would possibly decrease my tax bill as we have to go to referendum each year to maintain the status quo or we have to cut the school budget. We have cut over 60 million dollars over the last 5 years to maintain not improve. We are NOT spending more in the classroom we are spending more for insurance!
FYI....The Booster club could not come up with the donors. All the rich dudes in Decatur said no.
Here in Wisconsin, the GB Packers play on Grass....and several colleges are going back to grass. Turf slices the skin. If you can't grow grass in Texas then where can you grow it!

Anonymous said...

1:23 you have to be the dumbest person on here if it weren't for athletics whats the point of going to school????

Anonymous said...

Never vote for anything that increases your taxes. What did they do with the bond money they just got? They bought computers for all of the high school students. Nothing short of moronic.

mzchief said...

Incidentally, people spewing the HOGWASH that athletics keep students in school and keep them out of trouble are either ignorant (being ignorant is due to a lack of factual information) or stupid (being stupid is due to ignoring factual information).

FACT...The U.S. is currently enduring the highest student drop-out rate and juvenile delinquency rate in the history of ever all the while spending more money on public school athletics.

Source

Anonymous said...

Ask one of the booster boys about raising money for (all) the Athletic Programs, building fence at the Stadium, working on a project for the last year to get turf on the field so Football(all grades), Soccer, Band, Basball and Softball can use the field. The Field is used 20 times a year now at a cost of 50K per year. With turf over 120 days per year, and the Soccer fans will have a place to set instead of dragging their lawn chair to a game. So don't say anything about the Booster Boys not putting up. They put up plenty, and without a commitment from the board to put up the other money ( which they wouldn't) you can't go forward in giving. so M M get the facts before you speek.

Anonymous said...

1:52. The DHS students have not been issued laptops, so I'm not sure what that last bond money was used for......

Anonymous said...

Miscreep, Please please please please STFU! I'll bet you were quite the athletic back in your day. Odds are nobody in your dreary family can walk and chew gum at the same time. You are embarrassing to us, please start posting anonymous.

SINCERELY,
YOUR DAD

Anonymous said...

1:11: what's the big danger in the restrooms and bleachers??? Afraid of falling in the toilet or what? Are there not bleachers to sit on and watch the stupid crap displayed on the field like it's important? As long as the sports fans and frustrated dads who live vicariously through their kids had any place to sit, they have nothing to bitch about. I want my money spend on academics, not sports= unimportant in the long term scheme of life.

Anonymous said...

MzChief,
You want to do away with athletics completely and see what the drop out rate and attendance rate would be? I think you might be surprised! If you would take the time to go talk to some of these athletes I think that they would tell you that sports is the ONLY reason why they are still in school or even bother to come. Coaches are mentors and father/mother figures to many of these students. That is the downfall of our society, but we can't change it.

M-M said...

2:04 I was just wondering about their original proposal, to put up half of the cost of the turf. Is that proposal still on the table and have they raised or received commitments for $500,000? It hasn't been brought up since the original board meeting they proposed it in. What facts don't I know about?

Anonymous said...

2:33 on the contrary, many important life lessons are learned in sports. I guessing that you were a straight A student and a talented athlete in school and never "bitched" about anything...not!

Anonymous said...

2:48, if the teaching of "life lessons" thru sports in Wise County is any indication of how the future generation will act, GOD HELP ALL OF US!! Have you not been to a sporting event and witnessed how the kids and the PARENTS act!!!!!!!!

M-M said...

Let me add to my last post to 2:04. Here's a fact you are forgetting. The total proposed amount for the stadium considered by the board was $1.5 million. The turf was $1.1 million of that. And that is the total cost of the new turf installation and all. NO BOOSTER MONEY INCLUDED IN THAT. Put your money where your mouth is. The district was considering paying for it all. Oh, and spEAk not speek.

Anonymous said...

1:36---If your kid needs athletics to keep them out of trouble YOU are the problem. Make them get off their butts and go out and work. YOU do something to keep them off the streets and off meth instead of expecting the schools to do it for you through athletics.

Anonymous said...

3:09. Yes I have in Decatur. Haven't been to any of the other schools. Went to the Decatur game this last Saturday and everyone acted with class all the way.

Anonymous said...

THE BOOSTER BOYS SPENT THE MONEY ON THE NICE METAL FENCE AROUND THE HOME SIDE...

Anonymous said...

Answer to 2:48: yes, I WAS a straight A student, valedictorian, as a matter of fact. And no, had NO interest in sports at any stage in my life and still don't. And guess what....I've been very successful, and I would be willing to bet it's because of my intellect and academic education. I would put my life accomplishments up against those of anyone who was dumber than a bucket of rocks but excelled on the football field! Sports is NOT what really matters in life.

Anonymous said...

LOL A TURF WAR...ORGANICS AGAINST THE ARTIFICIALS...THINKERS AGAINST THE GROUND POUNDERS...



GETERDONE TILL YOU GOTTERDID

Anonymous said...

3:49 I agree!
All football is good for is blowing kids knees out!A very small percentage of kids ever go on to become professional sports players and the ones that do usually become addicted to pain and maintenance drugs not to mention steroids needed for "injuries".Most reason kids play anyway is because "dad" never made the big leagues!

Anonymous said...

In this economy I can not believe they are asking the property owners for more money than is absolutely necessary to provide the essentials for education. I will vote no to anything that is not a necessity at this time. My children all (4) attended school in Wise county. None of them participated in sports. They all turned out to be good solid citizens. My grandchildren are now in Wise County schools, and I do not see any of them missing out on anything because they do not chose to participate in school sports. Instead they spend time together as families with other like families. They keep their children busy and involved without expecting the schools to be responsible for anything other than education. More parents need to be as responsible.

Anonymous said...

Bridgeport/Decatur Bond Issue:
Monkey see/ Money do!!!

Anonymous said...

3:49 You're right, sports is not all that really matters in life, but to some kids who were not blessed your gift of intellect, it is the only thing that matters to them at the time and the only thing keeping them in school and out of trouble. Some of these kids were not blessed with the kind of caring parents and support from home that you probably had growing up. They look to the coaches and teachers for this. Like I said before, it is not the way it should be, but sadly it is and we need to support the athletic program and quit saying things like "I would put my life accomplishments up against those of anyone who was dumber than a bucket of rocks but excelled on the football field." God gave us all different talents and gifts and I doubt He thinks that any of them are more important than another.

Anonymous said...

The problem with the BISD Bond on “Facilities” for the tune of $15 million…Lets see Chico Built 2 schools for a little more than this. With the down turn in the economy and the reduced class sizes, I can not see where BISD needs $15 million in “Facilities”. The comment of “scrapping the $2.2 million on athletics is a gimmick to make you think they will not put in an indoor practice “facility” or keep up with DISD and install turf. Mr. Bland and the people of BISD need to wake up and see that everyone is struggling in this economic times and do not want to pay more taxes… VOTE NO! on the “Facilities”.

mzchief said...

To anonymous 3:20...
Truckloads of KUDOS to you for posting one of the most spot on, insightful comments EVER posted on The Blog.

mzchief said...

To anonymous 2:42...
Perhaps, if schools focused on something other than a "college bound" curriculum that addresses the needs of only 24% of students there is a chance more kids would be more inclined to view school, specifically high school, as something other than a waste of time.

Schools should stop pissing off major dollars for athletics that benefit only approximately 10% of the student body in a small school and less than 1% in larger schools and use the money currently utilized for athletics to TRAIN students, who have no interest in or hope of attending college, for technical or trade careers. There is no doubt more kids would stay in school if they thought they would graduate as a licensed electrician, plumber, air/heating technician, graphic artist, MS tech, paralegal, imagining tech, lab tech, health aid or the like. These days a high school diploma prepares students for little more than attending college or joining the military and both can be done with a GED.

Anonymous said...

If u get rid of the grass....where I sposed to fee my goat?

-------Pedro------

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Vote no to bond issues until they list in fine detail what it will be spent on. No blank checks. No more sweet Mac Book deals because people fall for fancy dinners. No more Turf deals because "some other coach" has it.

yes for improving education.

Anonymous said...

I'd guess at least $1.5 million of DISD bond would go for turf. Not sure how much indoor practice facilities go for, but I'd guess the leftover $6.5 million should cover that. Next question.

Anonymous said...

Mz
AMEN! LISD has a technical center where kids can take courses like cosmetology, graphic arts, and multiple other tech courses. The classes are so popular that each high school campus has to draw for the students who will take classes on that campus.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the DA 's on this blog set around the house in their robe looking at the Internet all day don't have a clue on what is going on. If you really wanted to know what is on the bond why didn't you go to the PUBLIC meeting and see how the money is going to be spent. I guess you are scared to leave the house because the Great Berry might put something on the blog, and you would not be able to say something negative.

MZCHIEF I bet you have great sex with your computer because you couldn't be married. I looked back 7 hrs later and you are still talking trash.

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't we all live within our means, including the public school systems? We want our government to try to balance the budget, but why can't the schools curb their appetites like the rest of us?

Anonymous said...

If DISD has $1.5 million in the general fund, then someone please tell me why DHS has not hired any new teachers. When a teacher resigns at DHS, they do not replace them, they jam all of the ex-teachers students in my classroom. Overly stressed teachers equate to academically accpetable ratings. Is that what you want for your child?

Anonymous said...

Goodness, Mzchief! All of this "dreck" you leave on here! Who in their right mind reads it all! I believe you have diarrhea of the mouth more than anyone I know. Get some meds, and shut your pie hole.

Anonymous said...

9:40, evidently you have administrators there who feel everything is just "peachy!" (See Random Friday morning comments)

Perhaps the story needs to be told "straight." Is it peachy there or is it the pits?

Anonymous said...

1:11 said, "The sad thing about this issue is, there really is a need for safety improvements at Eagle Stadium. Especially regarding seating and restrooms."

WHAT are those safety issues? The bleachers and restrooms were all redone just 10 years or so ago. There are NO safety issues, except what you people have dreamed up! That stadium meets all necessary standards! Why don't you people STOP LYING!!

Anonymous said...

What I really want is a stadium with a retractable roof and a Hi-def replay screen. I'm just settling for the turf so give me a break.

Double Fake Coach Story

Anonymous said...

I don't know what kind of kickback TEA is getting from Pearson Education company (TAKS test creator) but these people that keep getting your weenies up about test scores are drowning in kool-aide. We are creating generations of blind conformists and culturally illiterate robots. The Founding Fathers of the United States would be sick if they saw what we are doing to young minds.

12:05, great post!

12:35, you are so obvious. Hurry up, pad your resume with success stories, and get out.

Anonymous said...

cant we all just get along long long long...............

Anonymous said...

It won't pass in the single proposition package so they will split it in half and try again.
They did it before.

Anonymous said...

Well,I just got to say That I drand beer raised alittle hell smoked alittle weeeeeeeeeeeeeed and had alot of fun here in school, could also tell some good stories on some of you good old boys,but hey just go out and vote have a good day.

mzchief said...

To anonymous 8:59/9:51...
For all anyone knows you are responsible for half the anonymous dreck posted on The Blog. More than likely you are responsible for both the 8:59 and 9:51 comments. I always post using the alias "mzchief" so do yourself a favour and do not read my comments, if you truly find them distasteful, otherwise keep reading and keep enjoying what I have to say.

BTW...Unlike you, not everyone has sex with their computer. Get your own sex life and mine will not be the only one about which you fantasize.

Anonymous said...

If the coaching staff is using the "get turf or I'm going to leave" tactic, let 'em leave. There are other coaches out there. I'll bet the world won't stop rotating if they do leave. Do you actually think that the atheletics dept. will let a socccer game be played on the "sacred turf" if it becomes a reality? We will have armed security on the payroll to keep people of of the turf at all times, except for football games, of course. They will tell them to play soccer on the practice field across town by the hospital. It has bleachers, and that should be good enough for them.

Anonymous said...

8;34

You are so correct. The Booster Boys are using the "soccer card" to get what they want.

If the current AD cared anything about soccer a: he wouldn't have approved it without proper playing/practice field, b: he would have created the best short term solution available

He did neither.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that the Booster Boys invariably add "we have to have turf to keep Story" in almost every conversations.

Do you suppose all of this is more about "I want Story to play my kid" than the real need for turf?

Anonymous said...

You people are amazing. Gripe all you want about academics but at this point the changes that need to be made in academics are far greater than a local level. It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at trying to make smarter kids we are way to late to that game. They are terribly lazy and expect everything to be given to them.

By the way there are kids who actually play sports b/c they enjoy it on their own. I can remember the exact names of the kids and dads who were living the dream through their kid though. 4 names come to mind.

For the most part high school academics are a joke. The only reason you were head of your class is b/c nobody else cared enough. You were the geek.

Anonymous said...

In case yall forget this is the same way that DHS got the new high school! just keep running it until you get more yes votes. If you think that anyone other than the football team will every use the turf field them you are nucking futs. The pee-wee will NEVER touch the field.

Anonymous said...

10:12..... lmfao

Anonymous said...

who cares if they keep Story? If he wants to go, show him the door. Coaches are a dime a dozen.

Anonymous said...

The Booster Boys will always get what they want. Remember you have 3 of their key players on the board now. The question becomes:

1. Who will they run against Mr. Howard.
2. Who will they run against Mrs. Quanz.

Both up for re-election this year.

Add one or more and the Board becomes nothing but athletics.

I see an indoor practice facility, more turf for the practice fields, a complete sports complex located at DHS.

You educational tax dollars at work.

Anonymous said...

11:15 - Funny that you mention a dozen because I think that is how many football coaches we have in Decatur. Pretty soon we are going to have more coaches than players. And we still have a sorry team. Maybe that is the problem. It is time for Story to go!

Anonymous said...

9:48, lot's of truth in your post except now many of the kids at the top of the GPA food chain are there because their parents are good at being bullies. They bully the teachers to death. And if you are a parent that is trying to teach your own child how to earn and achieve based on their own effort, your kid gets stomped on b/c of the (for the most part) bulldog mothers out there.

Anonymous said...

8:05 most of the honor students' parents are bullies due to the fact that they are pissed that the work they did for their kid recieved a less than par grade. Kind of pierces the ego a little.

Anonymous said...

True dat, 9:01, trud dat!!! LOL!

Anonymous said...

"BTW...Unlike you, not everyone has sex with their computer. Get your own sex life and mine will not be the only one about which you fantasize."

You have truly "lost it" even more than usual Mzchief. I feel sorry for you if you really fantasize that people on here want to have cyber sex with you. Nothing could be further from the truth. I understand though that, being the hag that you are, it might be the only self ego satisfaction you can find for yourself........ fantasizing, that is.
You are most definitely SICK!

Anonymous said...

so i guess bridgeport has one good team and decatur suxs. poor winner but what can u expect from a town of rock truck drivers. as far as teacher go u work 8 1/2 months a year. shut up! you dont have anything to say! out stadium is old and too small.we spend our money on everything else why not for the few kids that entertain us every friday night and pay for it the rest of their live with bad knees and shoulders.just because you couldnt play doesnt make HS Football less than what you wer involved in.

Anonymous said...

6:59, you really need to pay better attention in school. Your opinions lose effect when you cannot even communicate properly in the written language.