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I saw this story yesterday, but the story is picking up steam.
From what I can tell
- A gay guy dies
- Gay guy's brother works in a church
- Church volunteers to hold the funeral for dead gay guy
- Church finds out he is gay
- Church claims that the service, as designed by the family, would show men "hugging and kissing." Family denies this.
- Church says "No funeral here."
- Controversy ensues
Star Telegram story here.
You know, I'm torn on this one. The church has the right to refuse any funeral it wishes. But it would be a bit harsh if it were denying the funeral only because he is gay (that's why some say they are making up the "hugging and kissing" photo excuse.)
Edit: Speaking of The Aid (tangentially) and Not Dead, I just saw that Magic Johnson is 48 today.
43 comments:
Don't they have like a sign or sumthin in the window that reads No Shoes No Shirt No Service?
Everybody knows that Jesus hates gay. Especially gays who have served their country.
"He was a Navy veteran of Desert Storm."
Ohhhh, I can't wait to hear the Holy Rollers take on this one!
Very clever Barry posting pictures of Carmen Electa and other hot girls while slipping in the gay funeral and anal bleaching posts. So when are you finally coming out of the closet.
We don't know all of the details on this one, but a church should always allow a funeral to be held in it's building, however, a family should know that certain things are just not allowed.
Folks should abide by the church's rules, or hold the service in a public place like a dance hall or theatre.
Some people are just stupid.
Church=Judgement...I can't seem to find that in the Bible anywhere.
Wow. So, I guess no Italian families would be permitted to have a funeral there, either. Italian men often greet each other with hugs and kisses. Basically, no sinners can have funerals at this church. But, they are perfectly welcome to fill the collection plates on Sunday?
Kudos to this church for standing up for what is right in a day and time where anything goes! They had an inherent right if not an obligation to refuse the use of their building for a farce of a Christian funeral for an openly homosexual man. Where can I send a donation to them?
Oh, I get it now....Jesus only died on the cross for the heterosexual sinners...
If a church is going to refuse to have a funeral for someone who sins according to random places in the bible (mostly old testement) then that church should exclude people who:
divorce
commit adultery
have premarital sex
get drunk
disrespect their parents
touch a pig's skin on Sunday (sorry pro football players)
JUDGE OTHERS
tell a lie
cuss
lust
or do any of the things just in your mind
and on & on & on
Looks like NO funerals can be in that RIGHTEOUS church.
10:00...if you are a believer, then you would agree that to God, we are all "openly" sinners. Others may not be able to read our lustful thoughts, the acts we perform with our wife or husband, or see that we cheated in something, or that we lied to someone, or coveted, or any of the myriad of sins, none of which you apparently engage in. So, who then deserves to even walk through the door and sit next to you on Sunday?
10:00 - maybe these folks just thought anything goes in the church anymore too.
Someone said to me recently they visited one church and decided "no thanks" - thought they were attending a rock concert.
:-)
10:03 Jesus died for all SINNERS. To have those sins forgiven you must first hear the word of God, Believe it with all your heart, wich means you will obey it, REPENT, confess his name before men, and be baptized for the forgiveness of those sins and be a living sacrifice to God to the end.
Until he has done this and stopped bring gay--sorry.
Geez 9:41..hold the service in a place like a "dance hall" or a "theatre"? We are talking about a man's funeral not a drag queen contest. Maybe you missed your calling as a funeral director for the gay community. Sounds like you may be onto something...may I recommend they dress in drag and in lieu of the slideshow they could view the 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'. Stupid.
What has been left out, the CHURCH paid for it to be HELD else where, and PAID to FEED over 100 guest!
Its their house, they can choose what is held there!
Hi 1:50 it's 10:03, I own a bible and a dictionary...should you have a dictionary may I suggest you look up the word "sarcasm"...I'm guessing you already own a bible.
Hmmm, based on the posts I guess Wise County doesn't have a GAY TOURISM WEBSITE/GUIDE like Toronto. A great place for all you gay love birds to come and get hitched.
Brng your stiffs up here and I'm sure a funeral can be arranged.
I'm so confused! I heard the only concern for churches was how much money can we scam out of people. I guess I was wrong. My bad.
TxSheehan, did he have the top bunk or bottom bunk?
2:46 Hmmm... I always thought it was supposed to be God's house.
2:46 Help me out here...I re-read the article and it just states that the service was moved and the church sent over some food. Where does it say that they paid for the entire service and sent enough food to feed everyone? If that was in fact the case, wouldn't it be the same as telling your teen-ager they can't drink in your home but you're happy to pay their bar tab somewhere else?
So, if they are not allowing gay's in the churches, even a dead gay, does that mean churches are going to remove child molesting, women raping pastors, priests, and other church "uppers" from their churches?
I think the church missed a great opportunity to minister to people who might otherwise never enter their doorway. I would hope some basic rules would be followed since it's God's house...
They will know we are Christians by our love, not our judgement.
Sounds like some church members might benefit from a Whitestar anal cleansing...
Somebody pass me that communion plate. I need a drink after all this.
I get tired head when everyone begins to bash all the Christians for what some do. Jesus doesn't hate the gays, He loves all, but what he does hate is the way they are choosing to live their life. As for the church not holding the funeral there, it may be a part of their bylaws, just like not having a marriage/joining ceremony for a gay couple. Yes, it would have been a great time for the mourners to here the word of God, but it wouldn't have been the word of God they needed to here.
Do you ever wonder who was the first couple to every be gay?
The church is people. Funerals are held in buildings. Sadly, this church (people) will be known as bigots for a long time......their ministery hurt. The building couldn't be hurt either way.
Finally funerals are for the survivors...........wonder how the family feels now.......and how eager will they be to become associated with church?
Sue, with your pathetic health care system in Canada, I would think being an undertaker would be big business.
anon 4:31
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Actually, very little. Most significantly, Jesus said nothing at all. Considering the relatively small amount of attention the Bible pays to the subject, we must ask ourselves why this is such a volatile issue. Other subjects about which the scriptures say a great deal (e.g. judgment, pride, hypocrisy) receive much less passionate attention.
And, it's not a choice.
Bad spellers of the church, untie!
Not sure why Americans are so down on the Canadian health care system. They are obviously misinformed by fat cat insurance executives. 99% of Canadians would not want to switch from their health insurance system to an American style system.
Some further thoughts on universay health care
Pseudonym: The majority of Americans aren't down on Canada's health care system. We admire it and want one like it.
Please, NEVER confuse most of this crowd with real Americans. =)
Religions have been judging and condemning people for THOUSANDS of years. Why should this church judging a homosexual man come as a surprise?
A sin is a sin is a sin. His sins are no worse or no better than your sins. God loves each of his children the equally.
maybe u all should read the 1st chapter of romans
MZGUIDED, The church did not judge this man. His deviant lifestyle spoke for itself. It is not only a complete farce to hold a Christian service for a sexual pervert, but the new testament church is required to uphold God's law as well. If you will take a look at your so called "Book of Myths and Fables" this is evident in 1Cor 6 and 1Tim 1.
To 10:24...
It is NOT "my" Big Book Of Myths and Fables it is YOUR Big Book of Myths and Fables. Thank you for finding a quote from YOUR Big Book of Myths and Fables to prove my assertion in my initial comment.
Just because old men with agendas made a rule and declared it "God's Law" does not make it so.
That is the problem with YOU people who are all too willing to pretend God is some petty deity. You are misguided enough to believe that ALL there is to God is what is written in YOUR Big Book of Myths and Fables.
Dollars to dimes, God does not care who puts what part into which hole. I'm willing to bet MY eternity that God does care how each of us treat one another. YOU and your ilk can stick with being concerned about who bones whom and with which technique and justify adding to the sorrow and grief of the loved ones of the people YOUR Big Book of Myths and Fables proclaims unworthy of love, understanding and compassion.
Please, feel free to pray for me but do NOT pray that I spend eternity with people like YOU.
MZ, all I pray is that one day you will come to know the TRUTH.
Sue, please do not link to personal opinions and think that they are factual. Why do people flock from Canada to the US to get medical attention. This from a real American.
TxSheehan, Where do you get your facts about the majority of Americans wanting the same health care system as Canada's? Should the taxpayer be forced to pay your car insurance also? I love the liberal weenie mindset.
Hey TxSheehan, know why the U.S does'nt fall into the Gulf of Mexico? Because Canada sucks!!!
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