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2.13.2007

Update

Today at lunch, I noticed that this sign has been corrected. (I was too lazy to take a new picture.) In a way, I guess I am affecting (or is it "effecting") local church doctrine. So let's discuss "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24. Or not.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't think the mega-church leaders agree with that passage any more.

HHL said...

too lazy to google, but isn't the next line "but all things are possible through the love of God" or something like that? At least that's the justification I always hear from wealthy Christian types.

And yes, you are "affecting" church doctrine, though most people who know the difference between "affect" and "effect" don't realize that "effect" can also be used as a verb as long as it has an object. As in: Barry's blog is effecting the proper use of English on well-meaning but misguided church signs.

Anonymous said...

Can we discuss this one next?

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:27-29 "

Anonymous said...

My bet is that barry doesn't have a clue to what Matthew 19:24 means.
Or anon 1:13

Anonymous said...

The Love of money is the root of ALL evil.I Timothy 6:10. Notice it says the Love of money, money is not evil, but the love of it!

There is nothing wrong with having money, the problem is when money has you. So where there is evil at the root of it is THE LOVE OF MONEY!

oldphilosopher said...

Historical note: The "Eye of the Needle" was the common name given to one of the gates through the city wall and into Jerusalem. It was a small gate, but located on an active road used by a great many common people and traders, who would often try to bring their goods into the city loaded on camel-back. The difficulties they experienced in attempting this were the subject of humorous anecdote. Hence the reference used by Jesus. He was referring to an effort with which his listeners were quite familiar ... and which while difficult, was not impossible.

Anonymous said...

Jesus was talking to a young man that loved money. Jesus knew his heart, he asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life?
Jesus said keep the commandments
He asked which ones Jesus told him vr 18,19. Vr 20 he said I have kept these from my youth.

vr21 Jesus said to go sell all his great possessions. The young man went away sad! Why? because he loved his possessions more than God.

Now Jesus said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Jesus uses an exaggeration to teach that it is impossible for one who trusts in riches over God to enter into heaven.

Just becasue you have money doesn't mean that money has you.

In Jesus day when people went into Jerusalem there was a gate that they had to go through. And it looked like an eye of a needle, and the camel would have to get down on its knees to go through the gate.

Anonymous said...

O RLY, pompous ass, 1:34PM? I like this gentleman's analysis best:

The Camel and the Needle's Eye
BY: Robert Sheaffer
"Many fundamentalists seek to explain away the obvious hostility to wealth in the saying attributed to Jesus, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24). Fundamentalists today constantly tell each other that the "eye of the needle" was a narrow gate into Jerusalem through which a camel could just barely squeeze, implying that even rich people can get into Heaven, provided that they walk a straight and narrow path.

While believing this no doubt lowers the cognitive dissonance they suffer between the resentment against wealth that is integral to the Christian religion they revere, and their own desire to achieve, it is nonetheless a silly legend, like the alligators in the sewers. The Jerome Biblical Commentary is a standard reference work found in many libraries, written by Catholic scholars. Its commentary on Matthew 19:24 states bluntly, "the figure of the camel and the eye of the needle means exactly what is said; it does not refer to a cable or a small gate of Jerusalem." The Abingdon Interpreter's Bible is a major reference work compiled by Protestant scholars, and its analysis of this passage is in full agreement. Unfortunately for the fundamentalists, the concensus of New Testament scholars is that Matthew's passage barring rich people from heaven means exactly what it says. It remains to be seen how many of them are willing to give up all their wealth in accordance with the ideals they claim to profess."

Sincerely,
Anon 1:13PM

Anonymous said...

Duh 3:04

I believe that's what the bloggers have been saying! If you love money more than God. Then money becomes your god.

There are many rich people in the Bible that went to heaven.
Money is to be used as a tool to reach the lost.

Anonymous said...

OK, is it "through the eye of the needle" or "through the eye of a needle?" It seems to make a big difference. Of course none of these stories were actually written down for many years after Jesus and have undergone many translations since. So I'll suggest that none of you know the original form or intent of the statement.

Anonymous said...

Most Catholic's are not true believers! Talk about a money! I believe you have to pay them to get your family out of well you know

Gleemonex said...

Matt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

oldphilosopher said...

Further research suggests that 3:04 (1:13) is correct. The parable appears more based on classic Hebrew storytelling hyperbole than upon any actual historical gate. I do stand corrected. And thank you for the enlightenment.

Kingfish said...

The doctrine on the sign if anything is hypocritical, if professing so-called Protestant Christianity.

You can't go to church. From what I understand of doctrine, a church is not a building.

I agree with the discussion in the comment above, quoting catholic scholars about the meaning of Matthew 19:24 is the height of hypocrisy. And the same can be said for the so called protestant scholars mentioned.

The modern day fundamentalists with the rock n roll Jebus bands, buildings of glass and towers, and television studios filled with phones to receive pledges are proof enough that money is indeed paramount to any and all doctrine.
It does however serve a purpose, and that purpose is to entertain.

There is also entertainment to be found at Sea World. I hear they have a book for sale there called, "The Porpoise Driven Life." Probably something more worthwhile in that than the drivel found on a church sign.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, oldphilosopher and kingfish.

And to Anon 3:18PM, it's "a", not "the", according to my great grandmother's Cyclopedic Indexed, Good Shepard Edition Bible, published by The John A. Hertel Co. in 1926. But you know, there's been SO many versions of the Bible, I'm not sure which one YOU trust.

I get a kick out of all of them.

Sincerely,
Anon 1:13PM/3:04PM

Anonymous said...

Hey 3:17PM - care to name 'em? Name all those rich folks who went to heaven, won't you please? I know of one, supposedly, but he gave away all his riches before he entered heaven. I am sure there are others, since you say so.

How the heck do ANY of you know who HAS or WILL go to heaven? Me? I don't believe in heaven or hell - it's just a myth, used by the evil-doers who think they can use fairy tales to keep the likes of me under their control.

And, like I said in the other post about the sign, I would rather burn in hell, eternally thirsting, than spend my everlasting time in heaven with the likes of some of these posters.

Anonymous said...

4:29 Well i guess you well burn then, just remember when you are in hell, remember this day, you said that you do not believe in hell. Well it doesn't matter if you believe in hell or not it's real

Gleemonex said...

> "The Porpoise Driven Life."

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! Oh man, kingfish, that made my day. You rule.

Anonymous said...

"Most Catholic's are not true believers! Talk about a money! I believe you have to pay them to get your family out of well you know

3:21 PM"

This is one of the most uneducated posts I've ever read on this blog. It is also very typical of the protestant mindset in what's know as.....THE BIBLE BELT!!!! (Insert thunder and lightning here)

Having grown up as a Catholic, I can assure paying money to get someone out of "well you know" is NOT a part of our doctrine and total Bible Belt BS.

You are confusing "paying" with "praying" and "you know where" with the Catholic concept of a place called purgatory. Purgatory is referred to in the books of the Maccabees, which do not exist in the protestant Bible. King James, et al, removed a few books back when they were cyphering on their "New and Improved!!!" version of the Bible. (Google apocrypha for more info)

Anyway, bottom line, Catholicism does believe prayer(not money) can reduce the time ones spirit spends in purgatory. The next stop after purgatory is heaven.

Ok...time to commit some adultery...where is that SI Swimsuit link???