As I blew past what appears to be a very bad (and not well publicized) mini-series of The Ten Commandments on Channel 8, I recalled a very odd biblical passage about Moses.
For some reason, before Moses met with Pharaoh to start the 10 Plagues, God decided to kill Moses while Moses was in a camp. (Yep, kill him.) But Moses' wife cut off the foreskin of their son (don't ask me why) and rubbed the blood on the legs of either Moses or the boy (stay with me here) saying the blood will protect him (say what?). It did. God changed his mind and spared Moses' life.
The passage is in Exodus 4:24-26. You can see a multitude of versions of that passage of the Bible here. (Just select a version from the "drop down" list and click "Update").
Don't know why I thought about it.
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4.11.2006
Bible Thoughts
As I blew past what appears to be a very bad (and not well publicized) mini-series of The Ten Commandments on Channel 8, I recalled a very odd biblical passage about Moses.
For some reason, before Moses met with Pharaoh to start the 10 Plagues, God decided to kill Moses while Moses was in a camp. (Yep, kill him.) But Moses' wife cut off the foreskin of their son (don't ask me why) and rubbed the blood on the legs of either Moses or the boy (stay with me here) saying the blood will protect him (say what?). It did. God changed his mind and spared Moses' life.
The passage is in Exodus 4:24-26. You can see a multitude of versions of that passage of the Bible here. (Just select a version from the "drop down" list and click "Update").
Don't know why I thought about it.
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Barry.....must we get the Jesus freaks going again????
Why is it that your called a "Jesus Freak" when you're a Christian. People can have believes in things that don't make them crazy, etc. There must be something you believe strongly. DOes that make you a freak??
It was because of the covenant Abraham had with God, called cirumsision, Moses had not done so with his child and God was angry with him. I guess you can call me a Jesus freak, God said that would happen. Thanks
bigcatdaddy, how do you pillow your head at night? I'd rather be what you refer to as a Jesus freak than a judgmental person such as yourself...
I dint judge anyone, but you just judged me as a judgmental person, lets let God continue to be the judge.
When you speak of God's Doings you edify one another. You lift each other up. Speak to one another with Love in your Hearts not with anger and hate. God is good, and if I'm a freak because Jesus is my Lord. Then let it be so!
God Bless You All!
Very well put, and Im sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my thoughts. 1Pet. 1:22
OK, OK...but how does one reconcile a loving God who was willing to kill Moses (who was about 300 years old at the time) because he didn't circumcise his son? How is the lack of this (unnecessary) surgery a capital offense? Non-Jews all over the world have lived without circumcision for thousands of years. Good thing God didn't require men to shave or wear pants or he might have killed a whole bunch of folks.
Jesus freak here too!!! see ya' at church tonight!!
A loving God who is just, It was a covenant with father Abraham for the seed to keep this covenant, as we are to keep his commandments today in the new testament.
But, anon 10:34, you don't have to keep those commandments if your 'saved'.
Pancho, yes, God is a loving God, but He is also a God of judgment...even Jesus was angry when they were gambling in the temple. To be angry is not wrong, how you respond to that anger is what matters. Edify one another, yes, but when people begin to call you names because of your faith, I believe we can show some "righteous anger". Christians are not perfect and I don't think we should let on as though we are...we are forgiven.
m&m, thou shalt not kill- Jesus said if you hate someone you have commited murder in your heart-thou shall not commit adultery- Jesus said if you lust after another you have commited adultery in your heart- no idols- still, thou shall not lie-still -blaspheming still- thieving still, we ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:29
As usual, y'all competely missed my point.
m&m who keep's them then if the saved don't? Sinner's who know not God, why would someone who has not obeyed the gosple keep any of God's command's?
You are right.Anon 11:39 AM We are not perfect but we still have to abide by God's Law. I do not mean to put on an air of perfection in Christ. I just want brothers and sisters to see that there are people in Christ that study and do there level best to follow God's laws. We all fall short of the Law! The Lord being the Law forgives us and we go on. But when this happens we should advance in the Word, learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. There is no excuse for sin. We are under a new covenant thru Jesus Christ. There are still commandments we are to follow. Such as, Love your neighbor as yourself, Bless those that persecute you. and Love your enemies. Yes, I get angry, but I don't stay angry for long and I don't get angry as much as I use to.And remember when Paul was persecuted and beat for his belief. He became overjoyed at suffering for Jesus. So, God will judge us by our words,and by our actions. But the closer you get to God and the more knowledge you gain in his Word. It just makes it a lot easier to deal with everything going on around you.Remember, Thru Adam we lost our dominion over this world, It's thru Jesus that we can get it back. You guy's are awesome! God Bless You!
Anon 12:06 & 12:09 Once saved, always saved means no matter how good or poorly you keep those commandments you are heaven bound, doesn't it? So, if your saved and once saved always saved, there is no need to keep those commandments. Right?
My, my, my. When other people get worked up over fantasies such as "Lord of the Rings" they get called nerds. Here is the biggest group of biggest (scratch that, second biggest) nerds of them all. I CAST MAGIC MISSILE!!!1
Damn conservatives..... and Jesus Freaks...
You are still going to be judged when you get to heaven. The idea in receiving your salvation is to be obedient to God. When you are in disobedience. You are pushing yourself away from God.You are not acknowledging his presence by being disobedient to his commandments, and Jesus said, If you deny me I will deny you in front of my father. You know It's like accepting the Police Department as your protectors. But then you go breaking the laws that department has. I think there will be some punishment involved. As we meditate more and more on His Word we will be more and more enlightened. God Bless You!!
For by grace are ye saved through faith, that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9
We are no longer under the law, but under grace, the unmerited favor of God. Once you accept Christ you are a new creature (not perfect), old things will pass away and all things will become new.
We should all strive to keep the commandments and be as close to what Jesus was like, however, our best can never be good enough...it was settled at the cross. If we continue to commit sins without asking for forgiveness, our fellowship is broken with God, we do not lose our salvation, we become Christians who are miserable, can't be used, lose our testimony and cease to be able to lead those who know us to Him.
I, for one, am not ashamed to be a Christian, so those of you who want to refer to us a Jesus freaks or nerds...guess I'm guilty as charged!
I know folks like to selectively obey commandments. But how about the one that says you shall not work on Sunday? How many of us have violated this one? If you violate any - apparently God was going to kill Moses for failure to circumcise - it's bad news for you. Will he kill ya'll for your failures? Or can you just get saved now and then and erase all the violations? Kinda over convenient, I'd say.
Every time I go through Wendy's a garbled voice comes over the speaker asking if I'd like to circumsize that...How do they know?
Heb. 10:25 not forsaking the assembly of ourselves together as the mannner of some is-- I worship on Sunday and still work around my house-God dosent condemn this in the Law of liberty, By the way that was the Sabath that you couldnt work on, thats a Saturday, we now keep the Lord's day. Once saved always saved,read Rev.3:5. By Grace are you saved through faith, not of works lest any man should boast. Read Gal.3:16 this is the works Paul is talking about. 1Pet. 3:21 for the eyes of Lord are over the rightouse and his ears are opened unto their prayers, but his face is against them that do eniquity. I believe we need to continue to obey Gods word. Jesus said If you love me you will keep my commandments. John14:15.
So anon 1:23 and 2:17, you proved my point. The commandments don't have to be kept by the 'saved'. Key would you used, 'should', but don't have to.
Sorry, 'would' should be 'word'.
I believe I wrote what Jesus said in John 14:15 If you love me you WILL keep my commandments. Mat. 28:20 Jesus said teaching them to observe (DO) ALL things whatsoever i have commanded you. Let me write one other thing, those that are in Christ still make mistakes, key word IN CRIST, we ask our father to forgive us , he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and if you love Jesus you SHOULD keep his commandments if you want the reward of eternal life.
You keep contradicting yourself. So, do you have to just be 'saved' to gain eternal life or do you have to be 'saved' and keep the commandments to gain eternal life? Because once saved always saved doesn't sound like you have to keep the commandments.
Also, if you don't ask for forgiveness, are you unsaved? Because if your not unsaved, then you don't have to ask for forgiveness.
Jesus saves, then scores.
m&m...obviously your goal is to confuse and God is not the author of confusion, God's word speaks for itself.
I'm trying to get you to clarify this teaching among Christianity of 'once saved always saved'. That statement causes the confusion especially when you guys throw in that commandments still have to be kept and if not kept must ask for forgiveness. So, the question remains, do the commandments have to be kept after being saved and if not kept and forgiveness is not asked for, does that person become unsaved. Because if they don't become unsaved, then that means they don't have to keep the commandments or ask for forgiveness when they don't.
Why don't you answer the questions and clarify this for us so there isn't any confusion?
m&m...do you actually think that the teaching of God's word can be taught here? Get you a good old fashioned King James Bible and read in Romans, Ephesians, Galations, Timothy....go to the Word and get your questions answered...or if you don't want to do that, go to a bible preaching bible believing church on Easter Sunday! Get out there, give it a shot, you can do it!
You are typical, can't explain to clarify your doctrine so you avoid answering simple questions. They are simple yes or no questions and you answer by saying go to church or read the Bible. Thought God wasn't the author of confusion, yet your confusing and contradictory doctrine came from the Bible. Or perhaps you are not interpreting it correctly.
The Bible teaches that once you are saved you are always saved.
It also teaches that if you are saved, old things pass away and you will live a new life.
You will do good works and live differently if you really are saved, not in order to get saved.
Thus the seeming contradictory statements "For by grace are ye saved." and "Grace without works is dead being alone" actually show the same truth from both sides.
By the way, God will discipline a wayward son in this life. That is why true Christians cannot continue in sin as a lost person can.
Also there is true remorse and repentance which causes us to turn from sin in one who has truly accepted Christ.
I'd like chapter and verse on that 'once saved always saved' being taught in the Bible.
Also, based on your explantion, no one really knows if they are saved in the sense they are guaranteed heaven, because they don't know if they will be able to keep the commandments and do good works and live differently for the rest of their lives without ever reverting back to a sinful life to one degree or another. I think it's possible to say one is saved in the sense that they are converted, but not guaranteed heaven based on a single event, because we all know things can change real fast. I know a lot of people who think and claim they are saved and guaranteed heaven, but their lives certainly don't show it by the way they live. So no one really knows, they may think they are going to heaven, but I think there will be a lot of surprised folks come judgement day.
m&m, I to would like to Know scripture and verse of once saved always saved. God says you must hear his word,so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Rom.:17- you must believe, Mark 16:16- you must repent; Luke 13:3&5, you must confess his name, Rom.10:9, and you must be baptied for the remission of sins and this puts you into Christ. Gal.3:27- For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. My answer to you- NO- once saved always saved is not in the bible, and yes you do have to work for God as he commands, and yes you do have to ask for forgiveness when you sin 1John 1:9
Thank you, 7:25am. That's what I was going to say. The bible doesn't teach anywhere that "once saved, always saved." If that were true, no one would go to church or live a christian life after becoming saved. 10:44pm, it's "faith without works is dead", not "grace without works...". Grace is what the Lord has for us, and what he shows us by forgiving our sins. Faith is what we have that allows us to believe what the Lord tells us about Heaven and that we will go there, without actually seeing it.
Thank you! It is a false doctrine. Going to heaven then, is a life long process, not a single event. That's where that 'enduring to the end' comes in.
Jesus saves..... after he passes each level
Yes it is a false doctrine, Romans 6:1-11 is something well worth studying. Thank's, The only scripture that has faith alone in it is like 10.34am said Even so faith,if it hath not works, is dead being alone. The only verse that has faith and alone in it and it dosent sound like faith is all there is.
Some Jesus freaks are also liberals, not just conservatives. I am one of those....
And some are Jew's and some are Gentiles's but when your in Christ you are all one.
I John 5:13
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Hear, Believe, Repent, Confess, and be Baptized for the remmision of sins. Now continue to live for Christ as he has commanded, unto the end.
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