3.12.2007

It's Kind Of Hard To Tell Who A Republican Is Anymore

Rudy Giuliani, the Republican front runner for president, firing off some extremely pro-choice (with your money) positions in 1989. Regardless of the comments, I think this guy is a complete spare. He walked down the streets of Manhattan on 9/11 and was somehow transformed into a "leader." He's got a big bag of nothing.

21 comments:

Pseudonym said...

I understand he may be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter.

Anonymous said...

What do Republicans believe in? It used to be fiscal responsibility and small government. However, Rudy is pro-choice, in favor of gay rights, wants further gun control, is born raised, educated in NYC, has been divorced twice, had a corrupt, mob connected police commissioner who later became his partner before he was rejected for FEMA director - etc etc. But the R's seem to think he's their choice for '08.

Somehow parading around NY after the 9/11 attack made him "America's mayor" so his positions and history don't seem to matter. I think even Republicans will eventually get their fill of his bullpucky and dump him. They must have a creditable candidate somewhere, don't they?

wordkyle said...

His position on abortion is why the media immediately christened him the "frontrunner" as soon as he announced. So of course all the polls started reflecting this.

Anonymous said...

Like wordkyle said in his blog one time, I also believe that in the end, it will be newt gingrich leading the way for republicans. Say what you libs want about him, but he is a return to those old "Reagan days" back when you could tell republicans apart from democrats.
I think the majority of republicans want a return to the days when republicans took a hardline stance on issues instead of waffling and trying to ride the fence to get elected.
mw

Anonymous said...

I thought Republicans paid no attention to the "media" (except, of course, for FOX).

And incidentally, 10:29, "pro choice" and "gay rights" ARE "small government" political positions (as in less government interference in individual lives and choices).

Pfaw. Rudy is the Republican front-runner because Republicans no longer know WHAT they believe in. Most so-called Republicans haven't got a clue what "conservative" really means any more. They seem to think it just means to despise "media", "liberals", "Muslims", "Mexicans", "lazy poor people" and of course, "the French."

And give me an order of fries with that.

Anonymous said...

Fortunately all republicans have not lost sight of conservatism and its true meaning. We still stands for morality, honesty, hard work, pride in your country and limited government. UNfortunately there doesn't seem to be ANYONE of any party who reflects any such standards. You can continue to demote and denounce Republicans until your last breath. Show me a liberal who measures up and I'll show you a closet Republican.

Gleemonex said...

Anon 10:29: I don't see what "born raised, educated in NYC" has to do with it -- he's got to be a redneck to be a Republican?

Or the divorce thing -- your boy Gingrich has been messily divorced twice (the first involved him serving the mother of his children with divorce papers when she was in the hospital recovering from her third cancer surgery, and the second was prompted by his affair with a 23-years-his-junior Congressional staffer who reported to him), so don't get too excited about Rudy's two-fer.

Here's what NYC has to do with his positions on the issues: He ran America's most populous, prosperous, and cosmopolitan city (two terms), and understands that not everyone is white and straight (nor are those the only people deserving of full citizenship), he respects the rights of women to control their own bodies, and his perspective on gun control is informed by the volume of senseless gun violence in urban areas, rather than the pathological frothings of hicks who think ever'body oughta have ten hundred guns fer defendin the trailer from undesirables.

Having lived in NYC during his election and first term, my objections to Rudy Giuliani center more around his favors to the super-rich at the expense of the middle class, and the fact that when his hands are idle -- when there's no crisis -- he goes all culture-warrior on us (e.g. the flap about the excrement-on-the-Virgin-Mary "artwork" some fool "artist" made). He's very sharp, very smart in a crisis, and we could do a lot worse for a Republican. (see: current resident of the White House).

wordkyle said...

If ever there was a reason for me not to support Giuliani, it's 10:22's analysis and endorsement.

Gleemonex said...

That's hilarious, wordkyle!

Tell me, if he gets the Republican nomination, would you vote for Giuliani over, say, Gore or Obama, should either of them be the Democratic nominee? From up-close experience, I promise -- social issues notwithstanding -- Rudy IS a Republican, so I'm curious as to how far party loyalty would take you on this one.

You can go ahead and use my screen name, by the way -- I sign my posts, unlike the many anonymous posters here.

Anonymous said...

I'm a democrat and I'm the most pro-gun person I know. I think being pro-gun don't have anything to do with being democrat or republican, but it's more about where you live. People that live in small towns or rural areas tend to be more pro-gun than people that live downtown, as we have a greater need for them. To me the second amendment is just as important as the rest.

BTW, I have a M-16 and a AR-15 assault rifle, along with several other firearms.

Anonymous said...

10:16, for the record, "conservatism" does NOT stand for "morality," "honesty," "hard work," or "pride in your country," any more than "liberalism" does. Those issues pertain to fundamental integrity and patriotism, which apply equally to conservatives and liberals.

If you doubt me, study some history and political philosophy, starting with the Federalist papers.

"Limited government" is the essence of American conservative philosophy.

Which, of course, is why Bush's corporate welfare and the Patriot Act are so clearly anti-conservative in nature.

And the next time you hear someone proclaim their "conservative" credentials while claiming that the city or county or whatever needs to do more regulating of (here insert cause-of-the-hour ... signage, subdivisions, property uses, or whatever), please bear in mind the hipocracy.

Gleemonex said...

10:22, point taken -- I was just trying to illustrate the difference between an urban and a non-urban perspective on gun control. Most people who live in urban areas want some form of gun control (usually centered around handguns, "cop killer" weapons, etc.) because of the ease of concealment and the danger they pose in a more densely-populated area.

Anonymous said...

What does being married, divorced or single got to do with running for office anyway? We need folks to have a desire to be public servants and some smarts to go with that. The way those Washington bozos spend our tax dollars is outrageous. If we spent more than we earned, we'd be thrown in jail.

On CSPAN this morning a refreshing comment came from the mouth of a Republican. He is sick of Bush, Cheney and the whole gang in the white house. And he thought Clinton got a bad rap.

Folks who think for themselves make the best leaders.

Where can we find some of these kinds of folks?

Anonymous said...

What fun!! "Conservatives" are jumping each other over who's conservative and what it means to be a conservative. Exactly my point - they don't know what to think till some neo-con comes up with a simple slogan. BTW - it's my observation and opinion that today's supposed conservatives are not what Barry Goldwater would recognize but rather "authoritarian." These people don't want discussion or analysis; they just want to enforce their will. There's no philosophy there, just domination.

Anonymous said...

Go Romney!

Anonymous said...

Thompson/Romney 08

Anonymous said...

1:53, fundamentalism integrity and patriotism are the voice of Republicans. I stand by earlier comments, find a liberal worthy and then argue.

Gleemonex said...

Anon. 4:18, your unreasoned and unreasonable comments make the baby Jesus cry.

Anonymous said...

Is Jesus still a baby? He looks old for his age.

Anonymous said...

I admit I'm not a New Yorker, and I don't really know that much about the guy, except from what we saw after 911, but I don't think hes really a Republican. Let me explain. After 9/11 the 90% of the Nation turned Republican (even me), because the people of American were under them impression in order to be a patriot you must be a republican. Which was proven not true. Well I think he is still living in the "old days" and claims hes Republican in order to get votes. Although I was to young to vote then anyway! Just my two cents.

Gleemonex said...

8:44, just for context: Rudy's one of a peculiar variety of Republicans that, for lack of a better descriptor, I'll call "money Republicans." Socially, they're pretty pragmatic, and often cross party lines on social issues (e.g. gun control, abortion), but economically, they're hardliners (Rudy's first acts in office included cutting sanitation and arts budgets, and he's always backed legislation favoring big corporations and the super-rich -- the Disneyfication of Times Square I lay directly at his feet). They may be religious, but usually that's not their driving force in office.

I give Rudy a huge amount of respect for what he did for NYC in the 90s -- I was vehemently against him politically (surprise!), but aided by the wave of prosperity then sweeping the country and NYC in particular, he really cleaned up the town. Homelessness and violent crime dropped dramatically (NB: this tends to happen in better economic times, so it's not ALL him), the subways became safe and ultra-reliable again, and the quality of life in the city improved markedly throughout his tenure as Mayor. I also give him a lot of respect for speaking his mind, using his (quite sharp) brain, and not being afraid to buck his own party's line.

I still disagree with him on a lot of things, but like I said before, we could do a LOT worse for a Republican president.