The Campaign For DA

2.07.2017

The Senate Just Confirmed An Education Secretary Who Has Never Gone To A Public School






Every school teacher and public education worker should be horrified.

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yep...this is disturbing news. Sad day in America.

Anonymous said...

We are and also of Scott Pruitt, I have no problem with others and think incoming President should be able to pick his cabinet for the most part. The Constitution does give the Senate veto power in their advise and consent role and it has been used on rare occasions . These 2 are extremely unfit for the jobs assigned and should be rejected

mzchief said...


The US elected Obama as POTUS and he had never run so much as a snowcone stand, much less an entity responsible for the world's largest national budget. Were you horrified?

What do you bet the head of the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles has never been convicted of a crime or incarcerated in a prison? I guess every felon should be horrified?

Barry, your hair may be on fire but the United States isn't. You need to find better reasons to hate Trump and his people. You're coming across as bitter.

whisky O said...

Oh no, she might put the emphasis on education instead of institution. Can't let
that happen now can we.

Anonymous said...

We will get right on cranking out those new history books showing Jesus and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. And that the Earth is the Center of the Universe.

DF The Texas State Board of Education

wordkyle said...

What mzchief said.

Anonymous said...

"Every school teacher and public education worker should be horrified."

Yes they should but not because of this appointment. They should be "horrified" from the lack of education, discipline and success in our public school system. America spends a large fortune on education and have very little to show for it. We need to try something deferent.

Anonymous said...

I usually enjoy your thoughts mzchief, but today you are off the logic railroad. Any little boy or girl can grow up to be President regardless of background. There is no future President training academy. U. S. Cabinets are a different matter. These are supposed the be the experts in trade, finance, agriculture, defense, labor, etc picked to lead extremely complicated agencies and advise the President. There have been purely political appointments before, but none so egregious as Mrs. DeVoss. Her knowledge of public education is nil, living in her encapsulated home school world. She has stated she wants to change American Education completely. And for all the folks who scream that American education is broken and can't be harmed by DeVoss: Is this the same education that discovered the transistor? Is this the same education that draws foreigners from around the globe to our universities? Is this the same education that still turns out some of the sharpest economic and financial minds in the world? Doesn't sound broken to me. Until now.

DF Amway Education Coming to a Site Near You Soon

Anonymous said...

"your "oh yeah, what about you?" rule is designed only to justify unjustifiable attacks by your side." - Wordkyle at 8:53 in another thread.

"The US elected Obama as POTUS and he had never run so much as a snowcone stand, much less an entity responsible for the world's largest national budget. Were you horrified?" - Wordkyle, adopted from Mzchief, in response to DeVos criticism in this thread.

Anonymous said...

Education is now up for sale to the lowest bidder.

Why not nominate me for Surgeon General...I at least took a biology class in college?

Anonymous said...

The Dept. of Education needs to be dissolved anyway. They only distribute funds for kids that can't afford breakfast or lunch.

Anonymous said...

Obammy never went to a public school but yet he doesn't want you to have vouchers to send your kids to a better school. The education lobby pays big money to democrats to oppose school vouchers.

Anonymous said...

So? Wouldn't thousands of current education administrators have attended private schools growing up? Why would she not understand education? A trauma surgeon need not have been shot in their life to be able to operate on someone that's been shot.

Anonymous said...

Shit-can the whole damn dept of ed. That's better left to states. Nothing in the Constitution about federal education standards.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 1:15...

1. The US does not excel at education. At best the US is mediocre when it comes to public education. SOURCE

2. a. Currently, the US has an 82% High School graduation rate. Blacks and Latinos have a graduation rate in the 70's. SOURCE

b. Unfortunately, a high school diploma doesn't equate to having obtained a marketable education. SOURCE

c. No doubt, US public schools have become little more than crappy college prep mills. Unfortunately, only 33% of Americans have 4yr college degrees. SOURCE That means 67% of Americans are qualified for the same "career" they were qualified for as a 16yr old high school sophomore. When a nation spends as much money on education as the US and that education's purpose only fully services 33% of Americans, perhaps public schools need to take a different direction. Perhaps along the lines of high school not merely being college prep but also offering career training.

3. Currently, 10% of college/university students are foreign nationals. China makes up nearly 30% of the 900,000+ foreign college students. Chinese students flock to the US to learn more about the US way of life than they do to obtain a university education. SOURCE Chinese coming to the US to observe US culture isn't a glowing compliment on the US education system.

If you don't believe the US public education system is broken, you've not been paying attention or you have incredibly low standards for the children of the United States.

Anonymous said...

OH NO!!!
There is now going to be some accountability. For shame. Welcome to the real world.

Anonymous said...

Say whatever you will, she bought the position. She maybe great or she may suck,- this will only be proven with time, but she bought the position.

DF Sucrates, a wise county philosopher

mzchief said...

*That means 67% of American high school graduates are qualified for the same "career" they were qualified for as a 16yr old high school sophomore....


yeah...I should learn to proofread when I'm hammering something out on my tablet.

Anonymous said...

Mzchief out of the gate with a whataboutobama. Wordily right behind her with nothing to add but his own.

If public education is bad (and I agree, that it mostly is), imagine how bad it is for home-schooled kids. They wouldn't even be qualified to be a British dentist!

Rage

Anonymous said...

There is a problem with the public school system. If you put the same crap in; you will get the same crap out. She does not need to know anything about the public school system to improve or manage it. She needs to be a person that can listen to issues at hand, put a team(s) together that can provide solutions, and make sure those solutions are implemented. Need someone without an agenda.

DF High School Dropout

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

There are many things needed to improve the Dept of Education.

This lady is qualified to do NONE of them.

My guess is most of you never bothered to look into her qualifications, but just repeated the party line on her.

If you cannot honestly critique her and realize this was a terrible pick by Trump for Dept of Ed then I guess I'll shrug and move on. You are just gonna say yes and support any idea, directive, EO that comes out for the next four years.

Good luck.


Anonymous said...

No wonder the weenie snowflakes hate her. She didn't give any money to them.

Anonymous said...

Exactly...she bought it. That's why it is sad. It's also sad because Whiskey O incorrectly applied his punctuation while trying to be a smartass. I'm Ron Burgundy? Get the man a dunce-cap.

And to the people saying that public education sucks, you're right. It sucks because the teachers are underpaid, the government wants every child to be equal (which is impossible), and a large portion of parents are too dumb to truly value education - some of them post regularly in these comments. We will see lots of money change hands in the near future, with less than stellar results - because we elected people who only care about money in the short term. Congrats, we got the leaders we deserved.

Anonymous said...

1:12 - please tell us you did that on purpose, 'cause if you did it was damn funny. If you didn't, well ....

wordkyle said...

130 - Think about what I wrote, and think about what you're trying to say.

Anonymous said...

Mzchief - your logic requires that American parental guidance focus on topics like generational growth, knowing your intellectual limitations, consistent application of effort over time, etc. The problem with your theory is that this isn't a cultural value in america. The "American Dream" has shifted to the idea that wealth will happen naturally and instantaneously. Progress is measured by fiscal quarter, not a quarter-century. The cultures that support these ideologies are mocked and ridiculed, i.e. Indian families living together and buying commercial properties/business collectively, Middle Eastern families - same thing, Asian families - same thing. You should try to align these concepts with American consumerism and see how the belief structures align. Most parents want to watch TV, reaffirm their status on Facebook, and buy dumb shit.

What parent do you know that would support the idea that their kid will be a welder? For the record, there is great money in welding - long hours, but great money. They would not advocate this for their child, as they have no long-term vision. These programs existed in schools, and we drove them away. Shop class? Gone. Technical skills (HVAC, Elcectrician, etc)? Gone.

I would venture that the people who complain about the education system, are the same ones that think Trump will make them rich. They are poor, systematically devalue education, want to argue religion over science, and in general want to hold everyone else responsible for their shortcomings. The opportunity to learn is everywhere, but you can't make the horse drink the water.

Do you think the neurosurgeon who attended public school blames the school system? What about the successful insurance broker or attorney? What about the guy who runs his own small business successfully? Do we credit the public school system for their success? No, we don't. We credit the individual. Same should be true of those who fail.

Anonymous said...

well, the so-called experts we've had run the dept. of ed. lately have not succeeded so perhaps this woman might. don't say the sky is falling until it hits you on the head.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 1:30...

Either you're a product of the public school system and confused by the difference between a comparison and a justification or you're a disingenuous Liberal. I was pointing out that Obama lacked any practical skills of running/managing a major entity which was a comparison to Barry's claim about DaVos. If I had engaged in the tired practice of a "whataboutObama" or more accurately "whataboutBush" that's been used the past 8 yrs, I would have cited one of Obama's unskilled/inappropriate selections for his cabinet to justify and exonerate Trump's pick of DeVos.




mzchief said...

To Anonymous 4:56...

I cited facts and provided links to substantiate my facts and position. I don't even know what to call your rebuttal, except very myopic and misguided. I know countless parents who are active in the rearing of their children and the education of their children. I for one gave up a career as a lawyer to be a stay at home mother and homeschooled my son. I did it so successfully that he's a doctor. He isn't a baby-daddy, doesn't do drugs and is an Eagle Scout and now scout leader. Just an FYI...The majority of my friends and I don't have a Facebook account and don't understand the attraction.

As for your claim that people don't encourage their children to go into trades, I've no idea where you live but I personally know several parents, in TX, CO and WA, who've encouraged and supported their children's choice to become welders, electricians, and HVAC techs. Oddly, I don't know anyone who's encouraged their child to go into plumbing.

You pointing out that there are no longer wood/metal shop classes in high school exemplifies the point that the US public school system is not the school system of the past.

Oh...As for your claim that the US school system is responsible for producing the talent that "discovered the transistor"...not so much.

Physicist Julius Edgar Lilienfeld of Lemberg, Galicia, Austro-Hungarian Empire, filed the first patent in Canada.

Shockley, Bardeen, and Brattain were jointly awarded the 1956 Nobel Prize in Physics "for their researches on semiconductors and their discovery of the transistor effect".

There were two Germans who actually improved on the transistor to be more like the transistors of mass production of the modern age.

SOURCE

Shockley was British, Bardeen and Brattain were both American. Both of the Americans had college educated parents who clearly had an appreciation for education. That does indeed support your belief that children with parents who value education tend to produce better-educated children. However, that's not always the case. I have a very dear friend who's mother has been a heroin addict since she was 10. My friend's father has a debilitating mental illness. However, she managed to become a doctor, albeit one with student debt of more than $300,000. So yes, personal responsibility does indeed play a large part in the success of any individual.

Honestly, I have enjoyed our exchange of opinions. I still think you're an outstanding, caring and involved citizen, something I truly appreciate.


Goober said...

All the people who think that vouchers are the way to go will get their due education when they find out that the school where they want to send Little Turd Head refuses to take them. And when enough of the better students are gone, what was a funding crises is now a detriment and the norm and Little Turd Head is stuck with all those of less academic ability and/or problem children in public school with no $ to hire the better teachers. "Be careful what you ask for, you may get it".

Anonymous said...

It's not like the DoEd has been around since the beginning of time. It came into existence with the Carter administration. The education system in Texas is ruled by a British company (Pearson). Textbook companies write their material to support the tests written by Pearson (STAAR), teachers teach based on the TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skill) written by Pearson to test on their test, which is graded by Pearson-hired people who must have at least a GED in order to be a grader.
Wake up folks! We have much greater fish to fry than DeVos. The DoEd basically is a pass-through for funds. That can be handled in different ways. It was prior to 1972, when we still had courses for those who are not college bound for whatever reason.
With the same money we spend on testing, Wise County schools could band together and have an amazing trade school. Tap into the WCWC system. They already teach dual-credit for HS students who are college bound. Why not have vo-tech courses for 16+? Think about it. What if right here in Wise County, your kid could get licensed in culinary arts, cosmetology, building trades, fashion design, licensed and trained child care, mechanics, welding, machinists, computer repair, etc.?
Public Education does not have to mean testing for college. That's what it is now and it is burning out students at a very early age! Maybe DeVos is thinking outside the box, too.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 9:42...

Well said. It's so good to see someone else understands that public schools need to offer something more, than crappy college prep, to the 67% of Americans who don't have a 4-yr college degree.

"Current expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools are projected to be $584.4 billion for the 2016–17 school year. These expenditures are for instruction, support services, food services, and enterprise operations. The current expenditure per student is projected at $11,600 for the 2016–17 school year." Of that budget at least 32% of it should be appropriated for Vo-Tech education for the 32% of public high school students who do not enroll in college and grant an option, other than college, to the 35% who enroll and college and fail to acquire a 4-yr degree.

SOURCE

Teachers and public school shills like to blame the failing education system on bad students and worse parents. Perhaps it's just that both are sick of being force-feed something they don't want and can't use.