I'm so tired of this religious nonsense. Don't they know how crazy they sound? Just as crazy if they said they wanted a picture of Zeus and Hera in every classroom. Made up is made up, folks!
Zog be praised!DF Ecumenical Guy
No, big Govt is not forcing us to do anything...it says nothing about "having" to display them...just giving the freedom to display them if the district so chooses...freedom of choice? what a novel concept...for years the govt has been taking away our rights...telling us what we can display, what we can't, the way we should think, and on and on and on...this is just an attempt to return some of those freedoms that have been stripped away from us...unfortunately for our country, I doubt it will work, so don't get your panties in a wad, you libs will still be able to tell us what we should believe in and what we shouldn't
Get out of Texas if you don't like it. Yeah you.
Good thing he's concentrating on the really important things about education. Who needs to worry about trivial matters like school funding?This is typical tea baggery--all shyte and no solutions.
Schools have plenty of funding. It's how they choose to spend it that needs to be addressed.
Regardless of religious affiliation or not, the 10 Commandments are important morals to live by.It wouldn't hurt the dems and libs to raise their children by these commandments in the future. There's nothing that can be done with the ignorant rug rats they've raised to date.Signed, non-religious annon
I sure hope the federal government doesn't start telling the state and local governments what they can and cannot do. If they do, then we're screwed.
First because this is the most important issue facing Texas today... Oops.DF Slick Rick
Schools have plenty of funding. It's how they choose to spend it that needs to be addressed.1:10 PMTurrrrrrrrrrf!!!
This speaks of desparation...do it now while we have a chance of it passing. Look, I am a Christian and Conservative, but I really do not think it is a must to have the 10 commandments displayed in a classroom. It is up to parents to pass on religion to their children and up to our educators to respect the fact that we all come from different backgrounds. Classic separation of church and state. Our forefathers understood this, why can't we. I will admit it, my political party is completely out of touch. It is almost as if we hate anything that the Dems support no matter how looney it would be to be on the other side of an issue. Not only have we let the Dems become the party that "supports" our 1st amendment, we have gone off the deep end by with this nonsensical legislation.
Do I read this correctly? If it is passed, it goes into effect immediately, and if NOT passed it goes into effect in 2013? Uh, what happened to NO.
To Gary the Graboid - this country was founded on the principal of individual and religious freedoms, and the fact that you consider them trivial when in fact they are at the core of what makes or MADE America what it once was shows you must have gone to a school that spent 5 minutes teaching our founding principles, and world history as well, like so many of our schools do now since they are run by liberals...certainly can't have trivial things like history cluttering up our kids heads if we need to ram socialism (if you knew anything about history, a failed govt system, tried many times over and failed EVERY TIME) down everyones throats. If kids knew history they would never vote for socialism when they grew up, so better not teach anything that contradicts those erroneous beliefs and just keep them dumb right?
Now if they can do something aboutthe teacher's unions, maybe they can improve education.
I attend an Evangelical Christain church and if I wanted to send my son to a Christian school I would and could. I don't choose to. I do however get to choose his religious upbringing until he is old enough to decide for himself. The State Board of Education can't even agree on what to put in history books. Yeah, those people are qualified to mold any part of my child's moral compass? Certainly not.
I think it takes living in another state to realize the embarrassment Texas politics has become. Yes, like it or not, they are laughing at us.
1:37 Wow, erroneous conclusions supported by a lack of facts. You, my friend, are completely full of it.As for teaching, it's the Republican Party that says, “We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that…have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs…” as part of their most recent platform.In essence, the Republicans are saying that we don't want kids to think for themselves, we want them to just accept the crap we keep shoveling.
There are no teacher unions in Texas! What an ignorant comment!
There is not such thing as a teacher's union in Texas. It fact it written into law. There about 5 different professional orgs all of them pretty much isignaficant when it comes to influence.Teachers just haven't awakened to their power if they would just vote as if they were the bread winner of the family not as a "second job."
1:30 states it pretty well. Arrange your children's religious education yourself. Take them to churches, synagogues, mosques, all of them or whatever. Just don't allow government to attempt to "establish" one religion over others in our public facilities.
Hey Anon at 1:37,What about wanting to separate church and state (in this case, the "state" is a state-sponsored school where attendance is mandatory) makes this a socialist issue?Clearly you're the one who's forgot American history, or at least the part about the 1st Amendment.
Wow! 1:37 claims (falsely) to have a keen grasp on history and political science; however, he/she apparently failed to pay attention in English! Try to diagram that sentence. To me, it reveals a very disorganized mind grasping for many concepts but understanding none. Let Wordy reinterpret the statement then provide tailored links in support.
Okay 3:22...how about the 1st amendment...mentioned by 3:21...it states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"...that does NOT say seperation of church and state...it DOES say the state shall not ESTABLISH a religion...putting up the ten commandments does not force that religion on anyone, they are not coerced to become christian...and do you really need me to cite all the failed states (and currently failing states, and by state I mean country for you uneducated) that have tried socialism in its many forms? Look it up, I don't have the time or space here (start with Russia, haiti, north korea, cuba, china (before they started becoming more capitalist), greece, spain is now on the verge of collapse, france is not far behind them, etc.etc.etc)...and becuase I am in a hurry at work so do not have time to have my editor check my work does not invalidate my points...I also do not claim to be a writer...let me guess, English major? Liberal arts perhaps?...how is that degree working out for you?...those who have no argument tend to try to change the subject to something irrelevant in order to get someone who does have a point off topic perhaps??
MY WIFE IS A TEACHER AND IS A MEMBER OF THE UNION ONLY BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT YOU IN CASE OF LAWSUIT.
3:55 I didn't realize that you supersede the US Supreme Court on this issue. They have ruled that the selective posting of religious material on public property is not allowed - however beneficial you might think it might be. BTW - which 10 Commandments version do you propose? The Protestant? Catholic? Jewish? You do realize that they differ, don't you? Also you overlooked several "socialist" countries that are doing nicely: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, UK, Finland, Ireland. Many would include Germany, Canada and Switzerland. Check those countries' standards of living and educational and medical standing in the world rankings. Hint: they ALL are unfortunately ranked above the USA.
3:55 I understand that you are pressed for time. Might I suggest that you read an expert's opinion (not mine, but some scholar of your choice) of the 1st Amendment before you attempt to tackle it yourself? You see, the United States Supreme Court has made a few decisions as to what constitutes and "establishment". Those Opinions do not cite a requirement to "force" or "coerce"...you chose those words to benefit their argument, but they are incorrect. The Opinions do typically discuss "favoring" or "promoting" one religion over others. And, while I'm no Biblical scholar, I do know that the 10 Commandments come from Exodus, a part of the Jewish and Christian text.Your socialism argument is misplaced. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and its legal interpretation is not an indictment or endorsement of socialism. Also, the fact that none of the other countries you cite is subject to the U.S. Constitution, makes your socialism rant even less germane.
3:55 Funny you should bring up the Scandinavian countries, while it is true they do have many social programs, they also have strict immigration controls to stop moochers from other countries coming in and just getting the benefits without working...we do not!!...here is an excerpt and you tell me if the U.S. culture in any way resembles the Scandinavians "Sumber suggests the ability for a nation to have a welfare state without becoming a nation of lazy playboys, and eventually running out of money, rests on its culture. If the culture promotes hard work and discourages collecting government handouts, it can survive. He cites a study on civic virtue that shows Danes are one of the least likely people to say they'd accept government benefits they are not entitled too."...it remains to be seen if the welfare state will eventually be the downfall of their culture and way of life, but I can tell you if it happens here, with our culture the way it is?...it wouldn't last more than a few years before it all came crashing down on our heads...does the U.S. have a culture that values hard work and self-sufficiency anymore? I would propose those days are long gone!
What u cant legislate in have the courts judiciate in...doesnt mean they r right...they misinterpret the constitution on an alarmingly consistent basis...dont need a law degree to have common sense...in fact I propose one excludes the other based on our judicial actvist judges...but I am done now...trying to use logic and common sense is like trying to explain reality to a two week old chihuaha...real quick to speak of scientific laws but economic laws those dont exist in your world...just raise the debt ceiling to infinity! Yeah!! What would it take u libs? About two days to reach infinity? I choose to live in reality not your alternate universe!...i will enjoy watching u guys rioting in the streets when economic reality catches up with you...or us I should say since u will be dragging everyone else to the poorhouse with u
5:44Check your references, 4:25 brought up Scandinavian countries, not 3:55. 4:25 referenced 3:55.3:55 referenced 3:21 and 3:22.3:21 and 3:22 both referenced 1:37.1:37 referenced Gary the Graboid.Gary the Graboid referenced no other poster, therefore, GTG gets 1 point for being an independent poster, the rest of you guys, are like Rick Perry, hanging all over Dan Flynn in the "photo op"."This is my bestest friend, ever. This dude...rules...hear what I'm saying...mofos....""I live in a MANSION!", then slick Rick tossed his cookies on Dan's shoes.Priceless.
Education should be privatized anyway. Then we wouldn't be having this debate at all. The Backdoor Intruder
Ignore Perry, bash Obama. The Wise County way.
please limit your comment to 50 letters or less. thanks so much
8:08...It looks like your at 51!!!
A common problem has been demonstrated in many of the above comments: Few understand what the term "socialism" represents - and I suggest my basic definition that "the government ownership or control of the means of production" will not find general acceptance here. The countries listed above, including the USA, are in no way "socialist". Therefore, governments providing services to its various citizens have social programs but are not "socialist". The original topic had to do with specific religious postings in public buildings. The Supreme Court has already decided that issue until a new case comes before it.
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