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- Finally got in the car late yesterday afternoon to run to the grocery store. It was a heck of a lot slicker than I expected. Can I say that I'm a great fish-tail stopper? (Which feels really weird to type.)
- I've got a house with very high ceilings. The concept of heat rising is on full display. As well as the concept of my-gas-bill-is-going-to-be-outrageous.
- It seemed like every time the local news showed a stuck truck on a freeway yesterday it belonged to Fed Ex.
- Watched March of the Penguins again last night. Fantastic.
- Can't get Mrs. LL to appreciate Arrested Development as much as I do.
- Team Media Day during Super Bowl week is a time waste. (But the hot Mexican reporter was there.)
- I saw in the paper that a guy from Boyd was arrested for DWI and the cops found child porn on his cell phone. That'll be an interesting legal issue: Can the cops search a cell phone after an arrest without a warrant? I've never researched that one but I would suspect there have been some court decisions on it by now.
- Child porn is bad enough but do you really need to keep it on your cell phone?
- After the Steelers arrived on Monday, several of them promptly visited a strip club. They can't keep away for one week?
- Well, the Family Cat knocked over a plant I had kept alive for eight years so many times that it died. (The plant, not the cat.) I'm sure the cat is very, very sorry. Edit 8 hours later: That was the worst sentence I've ever written.
- The developments in Egypt were exciting to watch yesterday. But there is this feeling that the Middle East is on the verge of collapse.
- This morning there were 15 minute intentional rolling black outs all over the State due to power demands. Dallas was being hit pretty hard by it. Oncor is having major issues. (Update: Some of the reports are saying power is going out for over an hour. And when it impacts psuedo-important ESPN employees, this isn't good for Dallas.)
- It was supposed to get into single digits last night. It didn't make it. (But I did walk outside around midnight to see what negative wind chill felt like. Verdict: I got back inside.)
- Why do we care what someone's Super Bowl prediction is?
- If the news would put a live camera on a slick portion of the highway which has traffic and stick with it, I think I'd watch it all day. (Fox 4 did this about three years ago and it was big time entertainment.)
- Had six kids in the house at one time yesterday. Try watching a documentary with that going on.
109 comments:
As of 8:40 a.m., it is 1° (with wind chill -19°) at my house. I didn't know they made temperature that small.
Some of us have been driving to work the past two days, and it's not that bad if you just go slowly and plan your stops well ahead. This is nothing to what the north lives with for months at a time...Texans are really weinees when it comes to cold and ice! I love it and wish we had lots more of it.
As to watching a documentary with kids over, dude, the key to that scenario is to put something on the TV for the KIDS to enjoy. Then go do something productive like read a good book in the back room. You're a family man now, which means the TV is not yours any more.
The only Super Bowl prediction I enjoyed was Jenny the elephant choosing to squash the Steeler-painted watermelon instead of the Packer-painted one--thereby "predicting" that the Steelers would be "squashed". Silly fun.
8:43 If you like the freaking snow and ice, why don't you go back home you damn yankie?!!!!
Happy Groundhog Day!
It would be so much less concerning if the Middle East was merely on the verge of collapse. The realistic possibility of the Middle East exploding into chaos is the real concern.
The place has never been the same since the Brits evacuated the region. *;)
Nothing like a wee touch of xenophobia to get the ball rolling.
I work in Grapevine and we've already had TWO of the rolling blackouts this morning! Both lasted about 20 minutes. Not sure how many to expect for the rest of the day.....???
Yup, it hit single digits in Wise County last night. And it was still in them as of 8:30am.
And single digits are cold!
One question. So, while checking out the pick of the banjo tuner on the beach, I couldn't help but notice the huge "bird" necklace. I get the belly ring, the crazy fingernails, even the bracelet. But what is up with that necklace?
And yes, I do realize it is "Swallow."
I can totally relate to your Arrested Development problem. Been trying to get my husband to watch it, to no avail.
BTW...It is currently -27 in Breckenridge, CO which means it is too bloody cold to ski, today. The only thing that could make me go outside in minus anything temperature is if the house was on fire.
More anglophilia than xenophobia, mz.
Today's pic...you're really losing it!
9:07 I am home, you dumb ass. Born and bred in Decatur. Still doesn't mean I don't love snow and ice though. And I still say Texans are weinees. I've driven in it all my life when it was icy here and it's not that tough. People are just chicken-**its.
To wordkyle...
The truth be told, my comment is truly based xenophobia because I believe the reason the Middle East is such a cluster flogging is due, in large part, to the historic nature of the native inhabitants of the Middle East. They have been fighting and destroying neighbouring cultures as well as their own since the dawn of man so there really is no reason to believe they will do anything else but continue with their millennial long habit of self-destruction.
The truth be told, my comment is truly based xenophobia because I believe the reason the Middle East is such a cluster flogging is due, in large part, to the historic nature of the native inhabitants of the Middle East. They have been fighting and destroying neighbouring cultures as well as their own since the dawn of man so there really is no reason to believe they will do anything else but continue with their millennial long habit of self-destruction.
Funny that you say they're killing each other, when we've killed more Arabs in the last few years than Arabs have...
Also, it didn't help that white guys drew a bunch of lines in the sand after WWII and said "here's your country" when it didn't correlate to tribal, religious, or ethnic boundaries at all. The Kurds are a prime example.
Rage
A balmy -3 right now in Colorado Springs. It only got down to -13 last night, which was five to ten degrees higher than predicted. No ice on the roads, no rolling blackouts.
It is really too bad that they had to schedule the "Big Game" during stock show weather. I bet this will be the last SB in F'WAD.
I don't know what that one guy was gripping about on today's pic. Truly SCANKTASTIC! You have definitely made up for last Fridays drunken/high on liberally legal weed picture. I tried to find beer goggles for that pic but they don't make them thick enough. Today though, amazing. Thanks!
I bet the family cat will fit in the flower pot................
Skippy, I have a suggestion for you. You need to change the name of Morning Random Thoughts to the Vagina Monologues.
To Rage @ 10:22...
You really need to THINK before you throw down a statement as vastly INACCURATE/IGNORANT as; "Funny that you say they're killing each other, when we've killed more Arabs in the last few years than Arabs have..." I have no real idea who you perceive as "we've" but all you need to do is pay attention to the news and you would realize, it is Arabs who are killing Arabs and non-Arabs in Iraq, Pakistan, India, Sudan, Afghanistan and so-forth and so-on. You will notice, there is NO indication of Americans killing vast numbers of Arabs.
Get back to me when you dig up a a few VALID links to support your next bogus assertion.
You are probably one of those people who blame the American Colonists for the enslavement of Africans. It is truly disgusting the number of ignorant people who think nothing of blaming America for all the World's ills.
RWMT = Wowee!
Uh-ho...the troll has raised the hackles of the mzchief.
good grief, mzchief breathe.
It may only be his opinion, but he is allowed to have it.
Just like some people "might" think it sucks to be you.............
Welcome back, Mz! I've missed you!! and I know it's the real you!! Someone has been pretending to be you on here....
Amen to only going outside for that reason..brrrr
"This is nothing to what the north lives with for months at a time...Texans are really weinees when it comes to cold and ice"
Yeah, they do this for months at a time...every year! We do this maybe twice a year for a few days each. It's like when a heat wave hits the Northeast and they complain about a few days of 100° heat. Around here that's called summer - happens every year. What's the big deal?
This wasn't that bad; I've been to work as well. But when there are sheets of ice on the road, you can't stop, turn, or get traction on a hill without chains or studded tires. I'm cancelling your wish for cold and ice by wishing otherwise
"...the TV is not yours any more"
Now who's the weinie? If they can watch TV in one room and you can find another room quiet enough to read in, why not send them into that room to entertain themselves while you watch what you want on your TV in your house?
So the Cat's never going to get a name?
I was so disappointed by this mornings 'Star T.' Nothing but Super Bowl talk.
'March of the Penguins' is absolutely one of the best documentaries on the planet. I think it jump-started the interest level in Oscar-nominated documentaries again too. One that I'm having a hard time getting through right now? 'Exit Through the Gift Shop.' Ugh. Try watching 'Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work;' it's a very interesting voyeuristic look into the life of an aging star....rather sad. You'd like it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/03/BA5N1H3G12.DTL&tsp=1
The California Supreme Court has Ok'd searches of cell phones without a warrant. Apparently they're siding with the Supreme Court on this as well. They liken it to examining the contents of a cigarette pack.
Re the Random Pict:
Never understood bling jewelry on the beach. Makes as much sense as high heels on the beach.
My Other Brother Darryl
The rolling blackouts should first hit the homes of the hypocrits who protest the construction of power plants.
all you need to do is pay attention to the news and you would realize, it is Arabs who are killing Arabs and non-Arabs in Iraq, Pakistan, India, Sudan, Afghanistan and so-forth and so-on. You will notice, there is NO indication of Americans killing vast numbers of Arabs.
Yes. Arabs are killing Arabs. But you may remember a little something called the Iraq War, as well as ongoing operations in every Muslim country from Pakistan to the Saudi peninsula. I never said they weren't killing each other. But that's a few here and there compared to the hundreds of thousands we've killed since 2003.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Rage
where are the sand trucks ? are they all in arlington
Black outs? The State of Texas has funded transmission lines for wind power to the tune of 4.93 billion dollars. If, instead of giving that money to the wind power industry fraud, it was used to replace 1,000,000 inefficient heating systems then it would save 5,000,000,000,000 kwh of electricity per year and there would be no blackout. This is simple math. Also the tax credit of 1.9 cents per kwh of wind power production given to T Boone Pickens, etal would replace some more inefficient heating systems if spent wisely. Those two areas are not the only place the government is dumping funds into the wind power industry fraud.
The citizens will not realize any benefit from wind power. In fact the 4.93 billion is going to be added onto your monthly electric bill to the tune of $4 per month. Indirectly this is a charge to you that will end up in the pockets of T Boone etal. Pass the offering plate.
Saddam Hussein killed more Arabs than the US did.
It is truly disgusting the number of ignorant people who think nothing of blaming America for all the World's ills.
I initially stopped reading your nonsense when it was apparent that you were mad about something you THOUGHT I said instead of what I actually did say. And this proves it.
The lines in the Middle East were drawn primarily by the British, and your lack of understanding of the fact that it started a great deal of their problems (in addition to the cultural ones mentioned above, the oil under the ground doesn't stop at the borders--just ask Kuwait), and that you're ill equipped to do anything but rant and rave here.
Come back when you have a basic understanding of anything.
Rage
TeamRage!
@12:21--
You mean a portion of our electric bills is going to subsidize the Zero State Cowboys? I am shocked! SHOCKED, I say!
Rage,the lines that define the middle east were drawn after world war one, not world war two. The British did this after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Persia, which is now called Iran is about the only country that remained the same, of course the Persians are not Arabs. The Ottomans controled all of Arabia.
No evidence anywhere that more Arabs have been killed by Americans than by other Arabs.
On the other hand...
Project Body Count, an antiwar organization, puts the percentage of Iraqi deaths by US-led forces at 37%, and Iraqi deaths from insurgent attacks, anti-occupation forces, and criminal violence at 45%. Source.
The United Nations reports that in Afghanistan, anti-government forces (Taliban & co.) have killed twice as many civilians as pro-government forces (NATO & friends). Source.
I could be wrong, but I believe outside of military action in those two countries, the number of Arabs killed by Americans throughout the rest of the world is statistically nil.
So there's the evidence against the claim made above.
To CT...
Thank you. It is too bloody cold to be outside, today and LLDQ is an awesome diversion to housework.
As for the mzchief wannabes, they will always be around because they have figured out, pretending to be be me is sooooo much better than them having to be themselves.
To anonymous 11:23...
Let me help you understand the nature of an opinion. An opinion looks something along the lines of; "Sushi is awesome., The ski is prettiest when it's blue., Super Bowl hype, sucks." When someone makes a bogus declaration, especially one that is slanderous and/or libelous, without so much as a single FACT to back up their Malignant allegation of; "we've killed more Arabs in the last few years than Arabs have..." in an attempt to rebut a FACTUAL comment, you do not get to hide behind the simpering proclamation of, "It's just an opinion." Surely, even you would agree, throwing down an unsubstantiated statement and attempting to pass it of as FACT and not providing a shred of evidence is nearly as morally bankrupt as someone publicly proclaiming, for months, that someone is a "MethHead" or an "Unfit/Negligent parent" and not providing any evidence other than merely proclaiming it is "just an opinion."
Opinions I can handle, BullSnoT thrown down to derail a FACTUAL statement is unacceptable, to intelligent people.
BTW...If it sucks so much to be me, why do you read my comments or egage me in debate? That is what I thought...*LOL@U*
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To Rage...
When you can provide a VALID link to support your BULLSnoT then you might get to pretend you have schooled someone. Until you provide VALID links you are just spreading SnoT.
Come back and play with the smart kids when you know the rules of debate and have some game.
Toodles, sweetie.
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To wordkyle @ 1:08...
Thank you, dude. Another awesome job of smacking Rage with FACTS.
wordkyle,
But how many Arabs would have been killed (by anyone) if we hadn't invaded in 2003? Say what you want about Sadam (and he was responsible for genocide of some Kurds), he kept the peace in Iraq. The people had running water and electricity. And Iraqi Christians were tolerated.
Not trying to defend child porn here, but could it have been a "sext" that was willingly sent to him by the "child"?
I view a "sext" from a cheerleader as something very different from "child porn". But maybe that's one of the 64 reasons I'd make a bad cop.
BTW, Barry, if you like good documentaries, check out the Ken Burns PBS Documentary on the Lewis and Clark Expedition...
"Lewis and Clark: The Journey of the Corps of Discovery"
http://www.pbs.org/lewisandclark/
You won't be disappointed. And the book on the same subject by Stephen Ambrose if terrific as well, "Undaunted Courage".
Kirk, There's only room for one idiot on this blog and rage has it all sewn up.
Kirk - You're using a "what if" scenario, and those can be all over the place. "What if" Iraq had developed nuclear weapons, and one accidentally went off in Baghdad? Quite a few Iraqi deaths there.Saddam did have the trains running on time, a characteristic shared by at least one other unsavory regime.
The biggest "what if's" concern what would have happened if the US had not gone into Iraq. Many of those scenarios are extremely unpleasant. Reasonable people can disagree about this question. (1:54, note that Kirk was cordial and on topic.) But the specific question being addressed was Americans killing Arabs vs. Arabs killing Arabs. I've produced evidence for my side of the argument.
@RPM Is child porn a "sext"? I thought it was pics/video
To Kirk @ 1:29...
If the US had not invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would have continued his policy of murdering hundereds of thousands of Iraqis and the total would be well over 5 million.
"Official Iraqi documents recovered after the fall of Saddam regime suggest a staggering 5 million executions were made during Baath era alone. Over 10 million were also imprisoned. They were all Shias save a small percentage of Kurds. It is also very interesting to note that after the 1991 Shia uprising over 300,000 were killed or captured never to be seen again, but there were no injured."
Source
Westerners and/or their presence on the Arabian Peninsula are/is not the cause/reason Arabs have murdered more Arabs than any other group of people. As I previously stated, Arabs have been murdering Arabs, for millennia. Saddam is just the most recent Arab mass murderer.
wordkyle, I'm not the one using a "what-if" argument. Sadam Hussein was in power. He hadn't caused trouble since 1992. He didn't have nuclear weapons. He didn't have weapons of mass destruction. If anything, he was a stabilizing force in the region, notwithstanding his posturing and threats.
Before 2003, there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq. Hussein may have provided some funding to terrorist groups, but what Middle-Eastern government didn't? The terrorists who acted on 9/11 were Saudis. And yet, Bush (who I voted for--twice) used 9/11 as justification for finishing the job his father was prudent enough not to attempt. A trillion dollars and three thousand U.S. lives later....well, you know the rest of the story.
I really, really, really tried to get through the day without making a comment about the Random Thoughts Chick Pic. However, I just cannot do it sooooo..... You have to hand it to her, fashion sense, for keeping with the polka dot theme. Her polka dot bikini and manicure match the black polka dots covering her body.
That chick has more moles than the Pentagon.
To Kirk @ 2:38...
Bush did not have US lead coalition forces invade Iraq in 2003 in an attempt of "finishing the job his father was prudent enough not to attempt." Bush listened to EVERY leading Democrat's dire warnings that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would use them.
Perhaps Bush should not have listened to the dire warnings about Iraq that were issued, since 1998, by ALL the top Democrats but you and the Loony Leftist Liberals would be hissing and spitting had Bush not done something and, as declared by the Democrat leadership, Hussein made a first strike using WMDs.
In an attempt to keep from, in the future, proving your ignorance regarding the war in Iraq, you would well served to WATCH the VIDEO and make special note of the dates the Democrats are decrying Iraq and Saddam Hussein is a threat to the World and U.S.
1998 - Medeleine Albright, Sec. of State - Clinton Admin. claimed that Iraq's use of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. is the greatest security threat and a threat against which the U.S. must stand firm.
1998 - Bill Clinton, while POTUS, claimed the U.S. could not continue with an ambiguous third route will Iraq continued to develop WMDs.
1998 - Howard Dean, DNC Chairman and Former Governor (D-VT) had no problem declaring that Iran and Iraq were "International Outlaws" about which something must be done.
1998 - Sandy Berger, National Security Adviser, Clinton Admin declared that Hussein would rebuild his arsenal of WMDs and that Hussein would use WMDs.
Keep in mind those statements were made PRIOR to 9/11.
No one forced/coerced, then Rep. (D-CA), Nancy Pelosi, in 2002, to declare on "Meet The Press" that "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons, there's no question about that."
2002 - Jay Rockefeller freely made the statement on the Senate Floor: "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will have them within the next 5 years." He further warns that; "We have always underestimated the progress Saddam Hussein has been able to make in the development of weapon of mass destruction."
There is more and I do mean MUCH more. Watch the video before you shoot off your mouth. Stop eating the BS being fed by the likes of MSNBC, CNN and the Daily Kos and there is a chance you will LEARN a few FACTS.
Incidentally, claiming the Democrats were dumb enough to be duped by Bush and his Clueless Crew is not a very good defense and makes the argument that the Democrats are DUMBER than "W".
Another FACT, Daddy Bush did not follow Saddam's army into Iraq because the only way Daddy Bush could get a majority of Arab nations on board with the U.S. liberating Kuwait was to agree to NOT follow Saddam's army beyond Kuwait's boarders.
BTW...It is estimated that Saddam's army murdered 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians during the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait and kidnapped another 600 who are still missing and presumed dead.
What is the liability when the power company chooses to cut your power to prevent a possible event that may or may not occur, and then you have frozen pipes or an issue with livestock with a significant monetary loss?
Kirk - The "what if" argument you proposed was How many Arabs would have been killed if we hadn't invaded Iraq? The answer? Unknowable.
I complimented you earlier for staying on topic, but now you're edging into the "Bush lied, people died" bumper sticker zone. That topic's been beat to death in this forum the last several years, and my argument boils down to this: It would have been nice to know in 2003 what we know now. But that's a different topic.
Why on earth are you people arguing about whether Americans or Arabs are killing more Arabs. As long as ANYBODY is killing Arabs, it's all good!
Let's instead devote our energy to encouraging EVERYBODY to kill more Arabs. Now that's a more constructive way to look at the situation
My opinion is that mzchief is an angry, nutty Google head fake with obsession issues.
*LOL@U* and bullsnot. So boring. Your such a menopausal yeller.
wordkyle, I'll leave it at that. Thank you for a cordial conversation.
mzchief, what...ever! (rolls eyes) So are you proposing that the Democrats should be in charge of foreign policy? I thought not. And it sounds like you think we were justified because Sadam was so mean to and killed so many of his own people and his neighbors. So should we have gone into Rwanda and Sudan, too? I didn't think so, either. Keep drinking that Faux Snooze koolaid.
tmike, you can't sue the power company. Well, I mean you can, but you would lose.
4:26, You don't have the smarts to be able to criticize MzChief's information but you're such a loser you have to try to criticize MzChief. You're the one who's the boring, angry, nutty, Google head fake, menopausal yeller who's obsessed with MzChief.
Kirk, You dumbass. Mzchief is proposing that all liberal weenies are hypocrites. They called for the invasion of Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction and did nothing about it and when someone with balls did do something about it, you called him a liar. Get lost and take rage with you.
4:54/mzchief, keep telling yourself that, baby.
4:56, can't argue a point and so you stoop to name-calling and intimidation. I see how it is.
I really don't like Mzcreep but she sure did school Rage and Kirk. Someone, anyone with a brain, just once, kick Mzcreep's ass.
Rage...waiting for those legit references to support your point of view.
Put up or shut up, dude.
Now, it's time for some Cat Scratch Fever.....
Double Fake Uncle Ted Nugent
"Well, the Family Cat knocked over a plant I had kept alive for eight years so many times that it died."
This is quite possibly the most confusing sentence ever written.
Kirk, what hurt most? Being called a dumbass or hypocrite?
"Well the family cat knocked over a plant that I have kept alive for eight years so many times that it died."
Translated...
Well, the family cat knocked over a plant so many times that it died. I had kept the plant alive for 8 years.
Backwards...it says...Paul is dead.
Double Fake the Walrus
There is...no reason...for me...to be ashamed...of anything.
www.priceline.com
Double Fake Captain James T. Kirk
I VOTE FOR THE VIGINA MONOLOGUES
Barry,
Heres what I got on a google search of search incident to arrest and cell phone searches. https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/sita
but to me it seems like thats old news after Arizona v. Gant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_v._Gant
Skippy, Can I borrow your potted plant? My neighbor has a cat that keeps doing his business in my yard and I want it dead.
Ouch. Rage and Kirk just got knocked the f*#k out! Kudos Mzchief. You and Wordkyle keep up the good work. Fighting the left is a daily battle that must be fought lest the country follow liberal California in jumping off the proverbial bridge. Man they must make some great Kool-Aid on the left.
Really? That's all y'all have? A bunch of tired quotes from democrats? Hell, Colin Powell described his UN presentation, which he was ordered to give byt the Bush administration,as the lowest point in his career because he knew it was borderline speculation--at best. That's why he resigned. UN inspectors rteported that there were no WMD. So to say "I wish we knew then what we know now" is a blatant lie. We knew he didn't have WMD. We just wanted to attack and wanted to use any means necessary to try to justify it.
Rational people know this. People who are OK with the lie will continue to drag out the same old trired excuses. And that's OK, the world needs stupid people too.
Rage
Here is more ammo for Mzchief in her battle with Rage.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
It's amazing that there are people who don't think Bush lied. Talk about dumber than a bag of hammers!
I'm in favor of killing muslims even if we gotta lie first. The world needs a little population control anyway
LL... that honey in the pic has boy hips... yuck. How bout a little more junk?
Rage,regardless of your education you still don't acept anything except what you want to see.Advice :Do not bait Mzchief up, you will only look worse.If it were not for the Arabs in America there would'nt be a store open after friday at four o'clock.
Rage,regardless of your education you still don't acept anything except what you want to see.Advice :Do not bait Mzchief up, you will only look worse.If it were not for the Arabs in America there would'nt be a store open after friday at four o'clock.
Coach Rage's lack of being able to generate or follow a coherent argument makes me wonder where he obtained his law degree that he claims to have. It does, however, back up his claim to have a degree in history and political science.
Coach Rage: Go back to reading the sports section and critiquing Sunday's game plan.
8:46, did Gore, Kennedy, and Clinton lie, based on their statements about WMD posted above?
Rage and 846. Take a deep breath, stop blindly defending the Kook-Aid makers on the left, and open your mind for a second. To assume that Bush and his people are evil is an immature junior high knee jerk reaction. Think beyond your initial emotional reaction. Calling people names is ridiculous. Bush was trying to do what he thought was best. If you think he made a mistake than just say so and make your argument from there. I don't like Obama nor do I agree with anything he does but I don't call him evil. He is just making catastrophic mistakes. See how easy that was? I didn't call him names or slander him, I just expressed my opinion. Now, your turn sir.
Was there a post where someone was touting his college attendance to support his point? It must have been deleted or something, because it's not visible on my browser. Maybe the post died of embarrassment.
I'll give you that Bush was doing what he thought was best. But that doesn't mean he didn't lie. WMD was a pretext. Bush thought:
-the American people are mad about 9/11 and they are willing to go to war.
-Sadam Hussein is an easy target b/c he has been thumbing his nose at America and the rest of the world for years.
-the rest of the world will join us to remove Sadam. They will appreciate our leadership.
-the Iraqi people are tired of Sadam, and we will be greeted as liberators. This invasion will be a cake walk.
-once we remove Sadam, democracy will take hold in Iraq, and it will eventually spread throughout the middle east
-after the invasion, Iraq will let us build huge military bases inside their country. We won't be reliant on the Saudis or the increasingly problematic Turks.
-Israel will be really happy with us, as will all of the American Jews and pro-Israeli evangelical Christians.
-This move will please the U.S. military-industrial complex.
-The invasion will ensure the free flow of oil to America.
-Once the Iranian people see how happy the Iraqis are, they will stage their own democratic revolution.
But how can we justify the invasion? We've been in a pissing match with Sadam over weapons inspections for years. Sure, there is no real proof of WMD, but I bet we can find some somewhere. Sure, Sadam is no real threat to U.S. interests, but this is our chance to spread truth, justice and the American way of life throughout the world. Plus, this will serve as an example to other countries not to mess with the U.S.
So, no, I don't think Bush was or is evil. Just incredibly ill-advised.
We knew he had weapons at one point because we sold them to him. We also knew he had expended them against Iran. No professional soldier in the world thought Iraq was a threat outside its own borders. Was Iraq trying to get WMD's? Sure, every country in that area was. Still is. But we can't address those dangers because we're still mired in Iraq. And we let Afghanistan slip back into chaos because Bush couldn't wait to go after Iraq, which had no credible link to terrorism.
How do I know they didn't have WMD's and links to terrorism? Because none have ever been found, and believe me, Bush and Cheney would have made them up had they not blown their credibility wad on "YELLOW CAKE!"
It's really pretty sad that all y'all have are the same tired quotes from 2004 that y'all used to justify the war then, all of which have been discredited.
At least y'all aren't still claiming Saddam was involved in 9/11, or trying to put a (D) after his name.
Rage
Rage, I asked you a question. Did Gore, Kennedy and Clinton lie?
9:39, I don't think they knew what they were talking about. I've already said that Iraq was trying to get WMD's, hell, every country there was.
But Gore, Kennedy and Clinton didn't ignore up-to-the-day intelligence on Iraq's actual capabilities. Bush did. In fact, the more intelligence that came out of Iraq, the more apparent it was that he had no ability to project force outside his own country, and the harder Bush pushed for an immediate invasion. That's because he knew if the truth got out, he could never justify an invasion. Even goons like wordkyle who say "I wish we knew then what we know now" agree with that--an invasion could naver have been justified. The thing is, we knew it then, too. I was saying it, the UN was saying it, and anyone else who did was "soft on terrorism." Then, when we were proven to be right, y'all act like you couldn't possibly have known the truth at the time.
Give me a break fellas, y'all have been soundly proven to be wrong on the Iraq war since it started. And because of it Afghanistan is a hot bed of terrorism and drugs again, and more American soldiers died because of it.
Rage
Any claims that Iraq neither had, nor intended to use, WMDs are simply false. The big Wikileaks revelations last fall -- certainly not designed to compliment the Bush administration -- show that up until 2009:
1) WMDs continued to be found. In spite of UN weapons inspections. Not in the quantities we believed, and not in an ongoing program. But they existed.
2) Chemical labs continued to be found.
3) Insurgent chemical weapons specialists were captured.
(Pick among the numerous resources here.)
As for the 20/20 hindsight on display regarding Iraq and WMD, here are the highlights from the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. That's the type of report politicians are supposed to base their judgment on. I defy anyone to read the report's conclusions and believe (based on our knowledge at the time) that America had nothing to fear from Saddam Hussein. As I said earlier, it would be nice to have known in 2003 what we know now. (But which, ironically, we would not know if not for the invasion of Iraq.)
I can answer for rage. No, because they have a D by their name.
Just curious... how did all this start with Rage claiming that we killed more Arabs than Arabs have.... and now its turned into a pissing contest over was it right to invade Iraq?
Did Rage ever acknowledge he was wrong over the original quote about who killed the most Arabs?
And did he ever acknowledge which one he is... Ritchie or Greggo?
tmike said..." What is the liability when the power company chooses to cut your power .....?"
I am just thankful that I wasn't on the operating table yesterday at Parkland. The ONCOR powers-that-be turned their power off at least once. They DO have generators, but after the loss of power, all of their medical equipment had to be recalibrated. They then cancelled all elective surgery.
Wordkyle,
In "Random Tuesday Morning Thoughts," Rage claims to have degrees in History, Political Science, and Law.
1) WMDs continued to be found. In spite of UN weapons inspections. Not in the quantities we believed, and not in an ongoing program. But they existed.
Old gas shells buried in the sand near the Iranian border, primarily. Past their shelf life and generally not in working order. You'll have to do better than that.
2) Chemical labs continued to be found.
Inoperative labs. Mostly equipment sold to the Iraqis by the British, but especially the French and, you guessed it, the USA. We knew their PAST capabilities because we helped them gain it.
3) Insurgent chemical weapons specialists were captured.
(Pick among the numerous resources here.)
Not even close to the caliber of experts needed to weaponize WMD's to an extent that could be projected outside their own border.
You'll have to do better than that.
As for the 20/20 hindsight on display regarding Iraq and WMD, here are the highlights from the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. That's the type of report politicians are supposed to base their judgment on. I defy anyone to read the report's conclusions and believe (based on our knowledge at the time) that America had nothing to fear from Saddam Hussein. As I said earlier, it would be nice to have known in 2003 what we know now. (But which, ironically, we would not know if not for the invasion of Iraq.)
I'm typing this real slow, because I know you're having a hard time keeping up. The UN had daily intelligence after they were allowed to inspect various sites that contradicted early reports, including the SNIE. Including the information and quotes attributed to various Democrats. And Bush still went in.
It was known, and it was known ahead of time.
Rage
Ah, thanks. I must've overlooked it. As thin as that claim is, it's easy to miss.
Here is part of the answer for Rage. How many did you say we have killed?
"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades," said the group in a statement in May. "Many of these 'disappeared' are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq."
The killing has slowed down since the United States took Sadam out. Has it been worth it?
Rage, for a close up view you can Google "Iraq mass graves".
I see now how rage became so smart. He must have gotten his degrees from studying under Ward Churchill. Is he an astronaut, rocket scientist, and brain surgeon too?
Coach Rage,
I am quite convinced that you are typing slow but not as a result of WK not being able to "keep up." If anybody is behind, I think most would agree that you are trailing.
If my memory is correct, many Democrats still voted to give Bush the authority to go into Iraq, i.e., Kerry, Rodham-Clinton, Edwards, Biden, etc... Were these people misguided or duped, or were they political opportunists who are now trying to play it both ways? Your expertise and training in political science should help you explain this to those of us who you believe cannot "keep up."
Could it be that the intelligence agencies that provided the information that the administration, as well as the folks mentioned above, relied on were the ones who are ultimately responsible? What would the outcry have been if Bush had ignored his intelligence agencies?
If I recall, Iraqi soldiers were carrying rubber hoses and and antidote associated with an anticipated chemical attack. The Iraqi army was anticipating a chemical attack from someone.
Is the United Nations really an organization that can be considered a reliable and credible source on much of anything? Just saying...
Let's see:
-WMD existed in Iraq (enough so that they continued to be found for several years after we first went in. So much for UN inspections.)
-Chemical weapons labs existed in Iraq.
-Experts on chemical weapons existed in Iraq.
This information is undisputed. Unsupported claims saying they weren't that dangerous? Not very credible. I'll bet the military took it all pretty seriously. Especially when they found signs that the enemy were trying to get to the chemical weapons caches.
Hey Rage, here is Arab against Arab using WMD:
"One of the chemical-warfare instancess reported by Iran, at Hoor-ul-Huzwaizeh on 13 March 1984has since been conclusively verified by an international team of specialists dispatched to Iran by the United Nations Secretary General. The evidence adduced in the report by the UN team lends substantial credence to Iranian allegations of Iraqi chemical warfare on at least six other occasions during the period from 26 February to 17 March."
Where did you get all your education?
Is Rage Mzchief too??
5:44
There ARE similarities in the writing style, aren't there...
Rage is Mz's son!
To anonymous 5:44 & 6:26...
Of all the hateful things that have been said about me, you twits have managed to say the most hateful and offensive thing that has EVER been said/typed about me. Make note, I provide links to ALL my FACT based comments as opposed to Rage who just pulls moronic statements out of his ar..ahhh...hat. Rage is a cretin who appears to be semi-retarded if not full on learning disabled. If Rage really did acquire a degree, he needs to demand he be fully refunded for all tuition and fees as well as be compensated for all the time he wasted attending classes. I assume Rage is male because I cannot bring myself to believe a woman would be as big a douche bag as Rage.
If you honestly believe Rage and I are one in the same, you are the two biggest idiots on Earth and are just a rung below Rage when it comes to linear thinking skills. Congratulations, you are the best at something.
Ooooh, MZ,,
Pleeeeaase please please. Could you insult me too? I haven"t had a good "O" all day. Do me next, please?
LOL, 10:15, 6:26 and 5:44! You people managed to upset the County Joke once again. Woman, get some help.
Well geez Mz, if you are writing as Rage, one would expect that you would use "him" as a foil to show your superior intellect.
It would explain why Rage doesn't provide a link to a profile page-no way to see that "he" and Mz share the same IP address.
Geeze Mz it's a stinking blog. You really need a job or hobby. Maybe a little Prozac could help you take it down a notch.. Talk about overkill!
Man, the jealousy on here of Mz and wordkyle is amazing..and profound. You people need to get a grip.
And, Mz: Indeed, I, too, would have been soooo insulted to be linked to rage. Gag.
CT = Mz
Yep.
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