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5.09.2010

Election Results

All of them from the Messenger.

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Anonymous said...

Say hello to turf Decatur!!!



:madface:

Anonymous said...

I think Decatur spoke loud and clear. They would rather have turf (which is a red herring) than meddling board members who don't know their place.

Anonymous said...

Way to go Decatur voters, you just increased your own taxes! Hope you're happy! I bet we have turf before the end of the summer, even though the people voted it down.

Anonymous said...

I find it hard to believe someone would run for the school board and take the abuse just to get turf.

Anonymous said...

Can Dr. Gindt stay now? He meets the criteria according to the Messenger article!

Anonymous said...

As I said in another post:

Well... here we go with new turf, new practice (indoor) facility, and probably a brand new stadium IF the rumors are true that the newbies on the DISD board are in Kyle Story's hip pocket. Taxes are going to FLY!

On a lighter note, maybe we can ditch C-scope, which was totally unnecesary in the first place.

Anonymous said...

7:50, I hate to say you are probably right, but you are probably right. I guess we'll see what these men are made of: will they uphold the message that the voters sent loud and clear? or will they ignore that message and shove turf (and other unnecesssary wants that were in that package bond)down the taxpayers' throats. Should be interesting to see. I guess we'll know what the next several years will bring with them on the board by the choice they make on the above questions.

Anonymous said...

There was a lot of bucks spent by some of these candidates. Can anyone explain to me why someone would spend a lot of money to get elected into a non-paying position. That's just weird.

Anonymous said...

If only Luttrell, White, and Haney could have joined them. Live by the sword...

It is time for duplicity to end on the School Board. Turf really wasn't the issue in this election.

Anonymous said...

Find a new complaint- no one cares about turf!

Anonymous said...

7:44, you're clearly implying that the turf issue isn't real, that it is just something fabricated in order to divert attention from a real, more important issue or scheme that is right now moving forward under our noses. What's the issue that's trying to be slipped through while we're all focused on turf?

Anonymous said...

7:44
Rather than criticizing the board members who were defeated why not be just appreciative of the hours of work they put into the meetings.As a teacher I personally know that those members gave their personal time to tutor, come into the classrooms and teach lessons as community leaders. Turf or no turf teachers are more concerned about the choice of leadership that these new members and existing members will choose for our district.

Anonymous said...

Know of at least 1 administrator that is happy. Now she can hire who she wants and no one will say a word.

Anonymous said...

Turf is an issue. The issue is that these people want to spend our money on luxuries that aren't needed nor wanted (bond was voted down). My high school football stadium was plain ol' grass. The track was hard packed dirt. This was in the 70's. We all lived through it and survived. The taxpayers are sick and tired of having our money thrown at every nicety that can be bought.

Anonymous said...

9:42am Annon...the answer to your question was supplied by the evaluation/review conducted by the TASB Superintendent Search Service. They went out and asked teachers, parents and community what the #1 problem was in DISD and guess what was the CLEAR answer (and they reported it to the Board) was....THE BOARD's micromanaging and not supporting the administration and staff! Turf is something the old guard throws out there to mislead the Sheepeople. Micromanaging has been the problem with the newer board members.

Anonymous said...

Most of people I know voted because they got rid of Gindt who was very professional and good at his job...just saying.
That overrode any worries about turf.

Anonymous said...

You folks that voted for them 2 must be nucking futs they don't give a big rats a-s now just wait and see how long it take Story to get his indoor field and turf.
IT'S FOR THE KID'S My a-s
Jeff looked me in the eye and said it's not about the turf it's about the kids I will remind him when he votes you can bet on that

Anonymous said...

Jeff & Gary....Fix the contracts for the administrators who didn't get their contracts extended without explanation!!!!

Anonymous said...

Here is what the community and the new board members need to remember:

The Community said NO to Turf in the last Bond Election. The Community has also said YES to reasonable, positive people to represent them in yesterday's Election.

They have also said YES to Fiscal Responsibility in the last Bond Election. They have also NO to cynicism and skepticism in yesterday's Election.

If we remember these lessons, the correct decisions will be made for the good of the students of Decatur ISD.

Anonymous said...

10:34 yep...and don't forget about her brother in the court house.....she will get everything she wants now.


And no one can do anything about it....till next election.

Anonymous said...

Melinda Reeves is in the background waiting to emerge as a candidate for superintendent. How do you think Decatur will like that? The real issue: 7 people voted to not rehire Gindt; 2 of those people ran for the school board with the sole intention of getting rid of him and they are still on the board.

Anonymous said...

Before everyone including the board blames all the negative on the two former board members check just how many commented on the TASB community/district survey. Very few and, of course, the disgruntled ones. Contracts of administrators were not renewed so I was told so as to not tie the hands of the incoming superintendent with people he/she might choose to reassign after one year. It's like allowing a new AD to bring in his own coaches. What a novel thought? It's easier to blame and throw stones than to seek honest answers.

Anonymous said...

We're Drugs or Alcohol involved?

M-M said...

So, 11:20, are you saying Howard & Quanz got rid of Gindt all by themselves? Thing I don't understand is how all the supporters of Elder & Clayton could list all these problems with the district and their conclusion was to get rid of Howard & Quanz, as though they had caused all the problems. No evidence that any of the problems were directly caused by them. Even the one page ad in the paper did the same thing. Problems in the district=caused by Howard & Quanz=get rid of them.

Anonymous said...

Quanz was the main problem. Howard rarely had anything to say except NO

Anonymous said...

Seriously this turf business is ridiculous. That is the least of worries on Jeff and Gary's minds. First off, Gary's son isn't even playing football next year, so why would that even matter to him?

All you bluehairs that are griping need to think about it as an optimistic change. You will be gone soon, so we need younger leadership to replace the past incumbents that were getting past their prime.

CONGRATS TO GARY CLAYTON & JEFF ELDER!

Anonymous said...

10:34 & 2:27
She will now always get what she wants because four board members are connected to her school in some way, so they will only want the best for that school and probably give her free reign to do as she pleases. Two board members have kids up there (one is her brother), and the two newly elected board members have wives up there.

Anonymous said...

It was that Howard and Quanz voted to NOT have the turf field that is the only reason Jeff and Gary ran. Dont you remember all the handouts and talk they did for the field. they only ran for the kids my a-s.. It's for the kids LMAO. what a bunch of fools that fell for it

Anonymous said...

Looks like our taxes are going UP & test scores are going DOWN!! This is SAD!! My kids can't even bring home textbooks because there aren't enough to go around, but I bet they are playing on turf by high school.

Anonymous said...

Here's my concern- what happens if in a year or so the DISD board DOES decide to upgrade current athletic facilities and replace the current grass football field with turf? (10:35, it's not the 70's anymore!) Are Clayton and Elder going to be blamed for that? Don't forget there are 7 members on the school board, and it takes a majority vote in order for something to pass. Seriously, move on to something else! There are much more serious issues in the district that need to be addressed, and maybe now there will be a UNIFIED board that will be able to work together to address those issues.

Anonymous said...

congrats jeff and gary!! time to move on to greener pastures!!

Anonymous said...

Can the damage be repaired or are we destined to see the loss of may quality administrators?

Anonymous said...

HOPE exists now where it had long since disappeared!

Anonymous said...

4:42 if the other board members were running for re election and their were credible candidates running against them. I believe the other board members would be gone too. We need to let people do the job that they are trained and paid to do.

Anonymous said...

Barry, you have really done a great service for Wise County. We can now come on your blog, vent and save big bucks by not having to hire a shrink.

Will we be hearing news from Bridgeport? Personally, I'm glad motor mouth Majka was defeated and Al Scott, though a good man, was mostly a man warming a seat with the city council and doing little else but that...........

And so it goes.

Anonymous said...

A few of the adminstrators that did not get renewed needs to go. Have you seen all the problems at the middle school? Just ask any middle school teacher.

Anonymous said...

I hope this is a wake up call for ALL of the school board members. Learn the proper function of a school board, listen to the voters, hire good administrators and let them do their job!

Anonymous said...

You all seem to have all the answers. The two new trustees have not even been sworn in and everyone already knows what they are going to do and how they are going to act as board members. I would bet not one of you has ever attended a board meeting or has first hand knowledge of any of the things your talking about, only heresay, speculation, and your own opinions. But since we live in the good ole US of A, you are certainly entitled to have your opinions. Why not give the two gentlemen a chance, they have got to be better than Howard and Quanz. Two former educators, who saw themselves as having all the answers to education at the exclusion of everyone else on the board. Ask anyone in central office how much district time, energy, and paper was wasted in obtaining data and test scores for the two of them. Did they ever use any of the info, did they ever share it with any other board members, did they ever discuss what the purpose of the info was? My question is why did the other board members allow them to take district employee's time away from the students to gather and produce the info for them. The board never seemed to have any major problems until those two got on it. I say good riddance to the two of them. I'm sorry about Dr. Gindt but here's hoping with them gone from the board, a number of really good applicants will apply for the superintendent's job.

Anonymous said...

God Save Decatur ISD!

Anonymous said...

What is the real situation in Decatur ISD.

I understand that student performance has been rising and about the state average. The district climate survey taken last fall was said to be positive. The district was financially sound last I checked.

Am I missing something?

Anonymous said...

Well, the voters wanted Clayton and Elder, so isn't that how the process works?

AND AS 1:26 SAID ABOVE: Here is what the community and the new board members need to remember:

The Community said NO to Turf in the last Bond Election. The Community has also said YES to reasonable, positive people to represent them in yesterday's Election.

They have also said YES to Fiscal Responsibility in the last Bond Election. They have also NO to cynicism and skepticism in yesterday's Election.

If we remember these lessons, the correct decisions will be made for the good of the students of Decatur ISD.

Anonymous said...

6:19 -- The only thing missing was a good school board and now we have gotten it. No more over ruling by the wanabe "queen"

Anonymous said...

I just thank God that the men that were running for the Chico board with agendas....failed again. When will they give up. People dont like you Tate, Randy Moss and Biggerstaff. IDIOTS.HA

Anonymous said...

It's for the kids.LMAO hahahahahah
It's for the kids

Anonymous said...

it is for the kids ... the grownups won't be playing on the turf!! haha

Anonymous said...

5:01 PM What are freak you are!! Who do you think is paying all the property taxes!!

All the blue hairs you say need to go.

I am NOT a blue hair, and I do not want higher taxes.

You idiots that voted these two guys in better get your purse strings ready!

You have NO idea what the reality is.. these guys were the ones up at school handing out brochures encouraging us to vote for the multi-million dollar bond.

Everyone better hold on, because Decatur ISD is on its way down the pot!!

Anonymous said...

WAL now! what the hey happened in elitist Runaway Bay?

Looks like all the school administrators retire, move to Runaway Bay and then follow each other in office.

The ones who really know the city and the ins and outs are kept out since they look different.

Then there's Parker who has her fingers in EVERY pie in Wise County. Wooooooooooeeeeeeeeeee! Look out folks here comes the female cannonball/steamroller. The husband could not get on council so she showed him, huh?
Another candidate was voted out and now voted in??? Welcome to Runaway Bay folks....

Anonymous said...

Looks like Alvord voters took care of business too. Congrats to all the winners!

Anonymous said...

If Decatur ISD is on its way down the pot it's not because Gary Clayton and Jeff Elder just got elected.

Anonymous said...

Oops - a slip of the finger: "success"

Anonymous said...

9:14 I happen to work for Decatur ISD and I couldn't disagree with you more.

Turf or no turf, DISD is not on the way down. Sadly you think that turf or grass is the only way to measure the succes of DISD. Sadly you are mistaken.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the new board members, and thanks to the remaining ones. We appreciate your time and energy devoted to this already successful school district.

Anonymous said...

I love you 9:14!!!

Anonymous said...

with the current economic times we see property values dropping by 10% oil and gas values down so where are they going to get the money everybody i know cant afford to pay higher taxes for artificial turf so whats next all of those who didnot get out and vote better be ready to rock and roll when they start talking about putting in turf. we the people will nnow have to show up in force at the meetings to show them that they work for us not themselves so get ready because thanks to your laziness on voting day we will have to work harder to keep our taxes lower

Anonymous said...

Wished I would've voted. I don't trust McComis.

RPM said...

Such emotional issues and only 20% turned out?

I'd say that was a massive fail (or DGAS) on both sides.

Everyone in Bridgeport needs to be voted out that approved the new striping on Halsell if nothing else. That is one messed up street now. The solution was simple, but they turned it into a geometry pop quiz.

Anonymous said...

yes they wer at the school trying to get you to vote for improvements such as a new heater that went out this winter! The only thing anyone could see was a new field for the kids.

yes it was voted down but it looks like more people came out to vote for something new than they did on voting down the last bond

im sure people would like to have thr Obama vote back also or at least show up to vote agains him. Bond voted down, two new guys voted in. Let hope it turns out better than Obama has for us!

Anonymous said...

Maybe the newly elected officials can get 16th street fixed! WTH kind of road repair is that!!!! Causes my anti-skid to come on every time Id rive across it!

Anonymous said...

12:11 - others don't trust him either. Wonder why?

Anonymous said...

Sadly to say for the citizens of Bridgeport there are going to be several issues that are not fixable. First of all the city had to take over responsibility of the maintanence on Halsell in order to make the changes for the main street program. Trust me when I say the State will not take it back so we are going to be stuck with it. The best hope is to get a few stop signs removed. People are avoiding down town. Secondly, the electricity issue is going to be much more significant than anyone wants to acknowledge. Nevermind the fact that the city spent every dollar that came in during the good times of the oilfield (record revenue for sales tax)they will not have the money available to start replacing obsolete equipment. Third, there are things you can't change like paying too much for things. Such as $480,000 for the Edward Jones building. I bet Jay laughed all the way to the bank.

These are just a few issues that will not be fixable in my opinion. Not that they can't try, which I expect they will. We just will not like the answers. In six years there has also been an increase of employees at the city from 50 to well over 100. Pretty sure we aren't Fort Worth and our population hasn't doubled. Oh yeah and the police department is having to take furlow(spell check) days b/c they can't make payroll.

I believe Majika gave 110% every day but unfortunately he is a product of a school system where no matter what the numbers look like your doors are still open tomorrow.

mzchief said...

Voters electing retired/current school administrators, to city counsels, are just asking for wasteful spending and mismanagement. Typically, school administrators have spent the majority of their adult life spending other people's money. School administrators know more about playing politics and wasting money than most career politicians.

Anonymous said...

8:56
You nailed it. Very well said.

Anonymous said...

im glad the elections are over so i will quit getting emails and text messages from the decatur booster club...

Anonymous said...

Taxpayers always have an option of enforcing a ROLLBACK. In economic times like we have today, rollbacks may become more of the norm in districts where money is spent frivolously. The new Decatur board members might want to remember that because I'm sure neither of them wants to be the cause of a taxpayers' revolt, resulting in a rollback.

Anonymous said...

Amazing that a person can run for an office that doesn't pay and be called into account for being trustworthy. Nevermind the fact that the new mayor served over 20 years on the city council and won the majority of the votes for this election and all the past elections. Obviously not everyone agrees with you. My suggestion would be to get off your lazy butt and run for office yourself. Oh I forgot you are to busy sitting on your couch running your mouth about people who actually do seek to serve.

My guess is that both people who commented probably work for the city, don't do their job, and probably won't have one for long.

Anonymous said...

5:35, it is a UNIFIED board that taxpayers should be leary of! INDIVIDUALS are voted onto the board and are expected to think INDIVIDUALLY and vote the same. You must be a former board member who bought into the training given to board members that ALL on the board should present a united front for the sake of the administration. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ABSURD! The school administration WORKS for the taxpayers, who are represented by the board. We don't want nambypamby, brainwashed, sheeple on the school board! THANK GOODNESS we had a couple who could and did think and vote their own convictions on what was needed in DISD. Your saying we NOW have a unified board scares the bejeebers out of me!

Anonymous said...

I have taught in several districts, including DISD. School board members come, school board members go. Some have agendas, some don't Either way, it's a thankless job that doesn't pay, but does demand lots of hours.
The bottom line: Your teachers stay in their classrooms and keep teaching. They have their methods changed every few years by a new and better plan--just a recycled old one--but the teachers keep on teaching. We have excellent caring professionals in our classroom. They keep doing their jobs, yes, griping some, but they still teach. Isn't that what it's all about?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps "this is Not about turf" will ring true as Story really wants an indoor practice facility and everything else Southlake has. With the board "unifie" at last behind him, anything is possible.

M-M said...

6:05 pm (Laura Montgomery) Maybe they did put that info to good use and share it with other board members. You evidently don't know, so why assume they didn't and that it was all a waste of time? Please tell us what are the major problems these two brought onto the board that had not been there before. You make it sound like all the potential superintendents have been waiting to see the outcome of this election before applying for the position. Right, that's a good one.

The fact is, Elder and Clayton were part of the booster group applying pressure to the board to pay for turf and stadium renovations. $1.5 million worth. The board voted 3 to 4 against it. Those voting for it were: Haney, Alling and Lowery. Here's the craziness of this proposal. Because of chapter 41 status, an expenditure like this out of general funds would require matching funds sent to Austin. So that means Haney, Alling, Lowery, Elder and Clayton were willing to pay $3 million for turf. Anything to get that turf.

Anonymous said...

Laura Montgomery never had good things to say about Gindt. She could not possible be "sorry to see him go". She has such animosity against Howard and Quanz perhaps because they dared stand up to her outbursts. These new board members will have to answer to their wives as well as to the booster club and Story. A big job.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe all the griping. And year after year most of these positions are unoposed at election time. People are willing to gripe but typically aren't willing to put forth an effort to make a change. Then if they do, they have to listen to all of this bullcrap. Democracy at it's finest.

Anonymous said...

There is like 12 million in reserve. you should step on the field after a rain. It is a sink hole and injury waiting to happen. For your kids that participate in marching band, football, soccer, and the cheerleaders that tumble on the field. whatever means it takes to get it fixed, lets do it!!

Anonymous said...

C'mon people - do you really think that once the field is turf anyone else will get to use it? You know Story will not let any other events use it.

Anonymous said...

To those who don't trust McComis, you're looking at a man with 20 years on the city council who basically founded Bridgeport's Little League, and who FOR YEARS paid for poor kids to play baseball in Bridgeport with no one being the wiser. He's an incredibly humble man who decided to run for office, because he loves his hometown and knows its inner workings far better than the average Joe. People have been begging him to run for years. He's fiscally conservative, too, which is important in times like these.

But to each his own! I think Majka's a good guy, too, but I can't stand to hear anyone bash McComis.

M-M said...

11:40 That field is exactly the type of field Story has groomed it to be. He was here when that field was raised to the level it is now, the soil used and the type of grass that was selected. I'm sure he had input in all those decisions, so if it is dangerous for the athletes, he is the one to blame.

Anonymous said...

11:40, I believe many THOUSANDS of kids have played, marched, tumbled, etc on real grass fields for YEARS! The injuries from artificial turf will far outnumber those from real grass.
Artificial turf is a luxury (and it isn't that luxurious) that WE CANNOT AFFORD and that we (taxpayers) DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR! That message was sent loud and clear. Story needs to go elsewhere!

Anonymous said...

12:55 - Exactly!!!

Anonymous said...

I am just disappointed that Barry cannot even take something as controversial as small town politics and turn it in to 100 comments any more!

I was suprised to see the election turn out the way it did, just goes to show the simple idea that Boyd will nicer football facilities than Decatur played as big a factor as anything in the outcome.

Anonymous said...

12:55...I am not standing up for an artifical surface in these times but you might want to do some research on the modern artificial surfaces, AKA FieldTurf, and look at the statistics for injuries. This is not the old school astro turf that was being proposed!

Anonymous said...

BUT But 12:55 it's for the kids.
Story and the boosters don't give a flyin F- they act like the kids and keep on until they get what a select few want NOT need.
Any body want to bet that that is not why they ran.

Anonymous said...

I wish people got this involved/ passionate about the issues that are already affecting DISD. Let's talk about curriculum. Let's talk about hiring qualified employees. Let's talk about motivating students. Let's talk about anything besides the t word!

Anonymous said...

well they won... get over it!!

Anonymous said...

how 'bout we go a little further in the playoffs before we start talkin' astroturf? last time i checked decatur isnt known as a AAA powerhouse and doesn't send many players to division I schools.

at least boyd can say they are state champions.

Anonymous said...

pretty apparent from the comments that disd taxpayers want no part of turf. and consistent with bond election. sounds like a dead issue to me.

Anonymous said...

1:36, you might want to take a look at the statistics of injuries CAUSED by any kind of TURF in football, soccer, etc. The hightest percentage of injury has absolutely nothing to do with WHAT athletes play on, but HOW they play and the HITS THEY TAKE from the contact sport they chose to play in! No one should even try to say "artificial turf" of ANY kind will lessen injuries. That's just plain out STUPID!!

Anonymous said...

12:35 Little league has been here longer than Keith McComis is old.
What do you mean "he basically founded it"?
I agree that he helped with Little League, but give me a break. Know your facts before you speak. A lot of good men were involved for a long time, before the McComis family even came to Bridgeport.

Anonymous said...

As far as Runaway Bay, the voters have spoken. At least this time they corrected the mess from last election. I mean people who run for council just to give away city property to their friend. Come on!!!

Anonymous said...

11:25 their wives are not on the school board, they are. But I know where you are coming from..... just saying

Anonymous said...

4:02 You are right the summer baseball programs were here long before Mr. McComis and will be here long after he is gone. What is factual, and can be supported by hard evidence is that he was instrumental in taking it to the next level. Before the evolution of the current organization charged with managing a very difficult program, he was instrumental in developing the fields that are still currently used. At the time the BISD owned the land, many people donated the time, but a vast majority of the pipe used in the construction was provided by Mr. McComis at no cost. You see he believed so greatly that a nice place to play ball was worth the time, effort and expense. So you are correct in saying that a ball program was in place prior to his arrival, but it has never been the same since.

As for political issues, I understand from talking to him that he is concerned with the vast expenses incurred by the City in the 6 or 7 years since he was a council member. Along with idea that they, the City, is spending the money that the citizens worked hard to earn.

One way for you to find out is to ask him yourself. I found him personable the few times I talked with him, but in the end..to each his own.

Anonymous said...

hey 4:02 you know so much about the mccomis family, just when did they come to Bridgeport

Anonymous said...

I love it when dumda$$ people sit around not working and think they know what everyone thinks or wii do

Anonymous said...

As a student at Decatur High School, I would like to thank Howard and Quanz for their service to the district, and wish the best of luck to Clayton and Elder. It sure would be nice for the Decatur community to get along every once in a while. As much as I prefer playing on grass as opposed to turf, one canNOT deny the simple fact that turf is becoming a norm in high school stadiums. Even a town as backwards as methville Bowie has a lovely looking stadium. The Decatur stadium area looks like cat feces. I sure would hate for "Decatur" to become synonomous with "backwards". DISD is most certainly not going to pot. Let us give the new board members a chance, and if it becomes apparent that they are miserable failures, then it shall be the voters' duty to remove them in their next election. Until then, please, let us hold our tongues...

Anonymous said...

Come on Barry - print one comment about Loser Lodes-----I dare ya!

Anonymous said...

The election is over- If all the people who have written on this blog had voted we wouldn't have this little group in there-
Now lets get this straight-
we have a grade school leader-
an attorney- a school board member-
and teacher buddies husbands on the board- what else do we need-
maybe new tennis courts- how about a swimming pool and make it indoors- move the football stuff to the new high school so we can start from scratch- you know sports is what school is all about winning is the name of the game- forget about education-- the kids don't need it!

Anonymous said...

So, Keith McComis likes sports and gave a lot of his time and energy on all of that..........

....but many citizens of Bridgeport are interested in the high utility rates, fixing potholes, etc.........having little to do with the god of sports......

...hope he can endure well all of those gritches and survive it.........truly.........

Leadership is about the first part of the word........LEADER......

Good luck Keith. Truly, good luck.

Anonymous said...

4:18
I agree with you. All of the inner workings at One Stop with the secret squirrel meetings is coming to light for te three amigos. As they all have said before and as you quoted "The people have spoken"! Glad to see our community waking up at election time and speaking for others who won't. Guess The Club click lost on this one and had a big tab after the defeat celebration.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the last bond election, there were many repairs, an entire heating and air system, plumbing and painting, that were not approved simply because most people did not take the time to read past the word "turf". Taxes are frozen for those 65 and older so there is no validity in worrying about higher taxes from these folks. The question is Do you really want to continue to do things half-way? Do you want to continue to put short-term band-aid solutions on MAJOR building and maintenance issues, academic needs, and yes even athletic needs(volleyball, softball, soccer,and yes, football)? Why would you want anything less than the best value for your money? If Decatur is going to do something, we need to be known for doing things in a top quality manner. Currently, we attend functions at older decrepit school buildings, crappy tracks and stadiums, classrooms that contain inadequate textbooks and look around and think...hmmm this is kinda done half-assed. If half-way done is good enough for you, then, by all means, continue to hang on to your $1.31 school tax rate.

Anonymous said...

Hey 6:06

That is a great idea! We do need a practice wall at the tennis court and a pool would be great.

Anonymous said...

6:53, Decatur's facilities are faaarrrrr from "crappy" and your saying they are, just shows you have no REAL problem except what you make up about the facilities. And you're right, we, the voters, didn't read past TURF. Because we are not lemmings that will "drink" what we are told without looking at what all is in the "drink" that could be harmful to us. TURF stuck out like the wart on your nose!! It isn't something the taxpayers here want! period! If you don't like the facilities we have here, then YOU take a hike to "methville Bowie" and enjoy theirs.

Anonymous said...

3:33 I think it is obvious you are the stupid one, I was responding to 12:55 which suggested that an artificial surface (RealTurf) would create many more injuries which is simply false. I think you also would be suprised that there is research that shows surfaces such as RealTurf do produce fewer injuries in cutting, contact sports. If you had ever played on either surface you could easily see this. Yes, there are always going to be injuries to kids that play sports and it is up to the coaches to teach them to play the sport correctly but the right equipment and facilities play a role as well. Again, I am not advocating for turf, simply stating the facts.
Brush up on your reading skills before making future comments; matter of fact you might as well take 2 weeks off and then quit!

Anonymous said...

The scuttle is that now that the Board has turned over, Dr. Lovette's husband might be interested in coming to DISD as Supt. I think he would be a great addition to our district since he already lives here, is familiar with our schools, and knows what he would be stepping into. They both are very involved in the schools and I think he could bring a since of cohesiveness and community pride back to DISD. Problem is, he has a track record of positive change, and change is sometimes hard for people...He might ruffle some feathers and before you know it, we'd run him off too. If that happened, we'd lose the best pediatrician in town and their two boys. I'd love to see him come, but with the craziness of the DISD community, I can't blame him/them for passing. Please consider the DISD Supt job Trent!

Anonymous said...

As long as we are recruiting talent to lead Decatur ISD we would be foolish not to ask Mrs. Reeves to apply. She was a wonderful principal and is loved by every teacher and staff member whoever worked for her. They were and still are fiercely loyal to her and are quietly hoping for her return as superintendent.
Please Melinda...consider applying for the job.

Anonymous said...

Anyone that wants to remain part of the community should NOT become Superintendent at Decatur ISD. Last one to make that happen was Mr. McKay. It worked for him because he probably realized this was his last job before retiring.

Unless you hire someone that has already been Superintendent and is closing in on retirement in the next 3 to 6 years, then it might be a good fit. If you are young and want this to be your first Superintendency, you won't last. Be prepared to uproot your family and move on.

I would hate for the Lovette family to be run through the ringer that Decatur is for no good reason. Just ask Gary, Jeff, Ruby and Jerry how just a few weeks of elections can wear you down.

Also, you could end up like Dr. Gindt and have rising test scores, positive results from employee satisfaction survey, great financial situation, and good staff, and still be run out of town.

Anonymous said...

Melinda Reeves is the best candidate for the job. The board needs to have the courage to name her principal and to allow her to lead the district forward.

Anonymous said...

I am confused why anyone would want to apply for the job!

Anonymous said...

7:12, why don't you put up or shut up. Where are these statistics you blab about? Are they in the sales brochure for the turf?

" I think you also would be suprised that there is research that shows surfaces such as RealTurf do produce fewer injuries in cutting, contact sports."

Show them here. (provide a link to such info.)

"If you had ever played on either surface you could easily see this."

Ha! What a stupid comment!

You spout on something you know nothing about. I do happen to know about this "new and improved" turf and it is just the newest fad. It will disappear just as soon as the real research of several years of its use prove that it is more trouble than it is worth. How many times have they tried artificial and then gone back to the real deal.

You really might want to watch your insults to people on here, especially when you speak of something you obviously have no real knowledge about. btw: I have swamp land in Florida to sell you and a brochure that will knock your socks off with propaganda that you will certainly suck right up. Do you always beleive everthing you read? Or do you have any common sense you might could fall back on?!

Anonymous said...

pffffttt!!! 8:19, you're really funny!!

8:20, maybe you need to look again at what you wrote.

Anonymous said...

I, another student in the Decatur district, feel that this entire uprising against candidates that had a clearly larger amount of the votes is absurd. Not to say that the expression of opinions is bad, but I feel like uniformed opinions are running rampant; therefore, I will express mine (clearly being a student and knowing multiple members of the school board, administrators, etc., I do not believe it is too uninformed).

As someone pointed out, for such an uproar there was a small percentage of voters that went to the polls. Often it is said, “If you didn't vote, don't complain.” Whether or not this is taken to heart, if the victorious candidates are so terrible, why did they both get over 1.5x the votes of the other candidates? In other words, they got over 60% of the vote, better than presidents get when they are elected.

If Decatur didn't want turf, and if turf were the main issue, what caused this occurrence? Either Decatur wants turf or turf was not the main issue. Or perhaps Decatur is masochistic. Decatur actually doesn't have the highest property tax rate, and if the last bond were passed it still wouldn't, and if it did it would be close. The tax rates can be found in the Wise County visitors guide. The bond itself even points out that it would raise taxes by $3.19 a month for a $100,000 home. That is merely $38.28 a year, a small price to pay for better facilities and renovations. But this is not the actual issue at hand.

I feel like a few minor things need to be addressed as well. As for the comment about “methville” Bowie having turf – if you equate having turf to having a large number of meth addicts, you need to reevaluate your stance. In the same comment is a reference to the infamous KoolAid “poison drink” fallacy. I feel like now that it has been exposed it does not even need refuting – it refutes itself. In the comment going on about swimming pools, turf, etc. if you were to look at the last bond, things such as lighting, locks, windows, roof repair, and HVAC system/boiler, etc. were included. I know for a fact that as a student I need lighting for my education. I also enjoy the school having locks on the doors, windows, and all those other things. Other things I have seen are ad hominems (attacks on the person rather than the issue at hand). This is a sad form of arguing and I hope that no one actually uses those outside of this blog. Oh, and bringing up Obama is a complete red herring.

Now for a few closing statements. Turf in this election is a non-issue, unless of course that is the only issue one has on his/her mind. With the up and coming soccer team, the need for a stadium that can survive more usage than the current one is becoming necessary. And, as a student, I want the schools to be improved. I feel that a tax raise of $38.28 a year would not be a big deal if people would get an education, seeing as high school graduates make 30% more than those who do not graduate high school. I hope that the new board members do their best, which I am sure they will. The fact is they were elected and that cannot be changed, whether the people here like it or not. But if you are going to complain, please make legitimate points. Thank you – Decatur student

Anonymous said...

mccomis not only furnished the pipe but also the wire the labor welding and the electrican i know because i worked there and did alot of work at the ball park

M-M said...

8:19 & 8:20 pm, what the heck have you two been smoking? If you want a true revolt on your hands, bring back that *itch, Melinda Reeves. That will not be tolerated, believe me.

Anonymous said...

8:19

You have to be Malinda! or Laura Montgomery. Ask all the teachers who fled the HS under her. The only ones who stayed were the suck-ups, stuck (couldn't get out) and those personnaly benefiting from sucking up as in class load,teaching assignments, no duties, extra pay for silly jobs.

The exodus didn't stop until Cochran established a climate of respect for the campus.

Everyone who worked for her loved her? You can't sell that one dipstick........to many witnesses for the prosecution.

Anonymous said...

"The Athletics First" crowd totally controls the DISD board. A couple absolutely bow down as Story passes by.

The "Rann Subset" (brother and spouses of the two snitches) will be able to keep what is happening on Rann a secret for a while. However, after parents and teachers see the Subset isn't going to do anything but protect the principal they will turn to TEA and courts.

Money spent on lawyers can't go into the athletic department. Will be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

It's for the kids, It's not about education. it was only to get the numbers to get the deal passed for turf and a few of the teachers to be able to have a free hand now.
6:53 how many more tax paying mexican will you get with a turf soccer field?

Anonymous said...

Have any of you guys actually done the research on what it costs to maintain a grass field over several years?? Water, man hours,lawn equipment, etc? The turf pays for itself in no time and is more economical. It is a big out of pocket expense initially, but there's no denying it is cheaper in the long run. It would save the city a ton of water during the summer when water rationing is in place because of dry conditions. You HAVE to water the field or it causes injuries and is not safe for the kids to play on. It's like making a choice to keep repairing an old broken down car or just buying something that you won't have to maintain.

Anonymous said...

8:19 and 8:20 (one in the same).

You're a joke!

Anonymous said...

8:19 you're an idiot and you know exactly what you're doing. I don't believe you believe a word you spewed, yet you expect us all to stoop to your level and start bashing her once again.

If she returns, I'll throw away more than a decade at DISD and get the heck outta dodge! Oh, and I'll take LOTS of friends with me. Of that, I am certain.

We both know DISD won't have her back!

Anonymous said...

8:19 & 8:20--

Oh my gosh. You're an idiot!

Anonymous said...

He He 8:20.

Name her principal, you say?

Well, DHS has an amazing principal and he's not going anywhere. In fact, he's the only one in the district who had a contract extension this year.

Anonymous said...

This is addressed to 9:10. How dare you say that the only ones who stayed at DHS were the suck ups and ones that got easy schedules. I still teach at DHS regardless who is principal because I love the school, community and the students. As it has already been said on here more than once...administrators come and go, but the teachers and their quality programs stay. They stay because they are happy with the school. So, if you have the guts to say something like that, you should sign your name to back it up. I'll sign mine because I stand up for what I believe in. Mr. Cochran is a wonderful man and a wonderful principal and has done a fantastic job since he took over. But Melinda Reeves was a good principal also. And our teachers and programs are still going strong......Viva DHS.
Sr. Terry H. Stewart/Teacher of Spanish/Decatur High School

Anonymous said...

The school board oversees and evaluates the Superintendent. Rarely will a school board make decisions with regard to hiring or not hiring other administrators or teachers. With no oversight at the district level, principals have the power to hire just about anyone they want to. Most principals in DISD and other places understand that teachers should be involved in hiring. This is called site based decision making. The needs of the students, taxpayers, and the organization come first, before family loyalty or friendship. This is standard procedure. What is happening at one campus in DISD is not ethical or acceptable. Yet the school board will probably not stop it, due to many conflicts of interest. This issue is much more critical to the education of our children than whether or not we have turf on a field. If you are a parent, step up and ask questions!

M-M said...

9:02 Decatur student= Wow, what a bonehead you are. You obviously aren't in debate or logical thinking. Are you saying our objective should be to achieve the highest tax rate or what? When you are a taxpayer the objective is to keep your taxes to a minimum. All government entities want to do is take, take, take and take. So, don't give me this crap it's only $38. You'll understand better when you are paying taxes. We do not need a new stadium. The one we have is fine and we can't come close to filling it up now. Have you been to a football game? The bond election you refer to had nothing to do with education. It had to do with a football stadium and as was brought up in the paper, a lot of maintenance items that were paid for in a previous bond election. What happened to that money?

9:23 pm Yes I have, so let me school you. Coach Story claims they spend $50,000 per year on the field. I doubt those numbers, but we'll use them. The turf was $1 million. Divide that cost by the $50,000. That's 20 years worth of watering etc. Plus the turf has to be replaced every 7-10 years at a cost of $350,000. Plus the turf is not maintenance free. It costs between $10,000 to $20,000 per year to maintain. So, Mr Smarta**, show where it is cost effective to go to turf. Maybe you should do somemore research before you go mouthing off and look like a fool.

Anonymous said...

9:06 - that is all very impressive, but won't necessarily be of much importance in a leadership capacity. I wish him well as he deals with the mad hornet community (streets, high utility bills)......and for the meager amount the job pays, do hope it is worth it for him to be elected.

Being a public official is a gut grind.

Anonymous said...

What is the deal?

The district has only renewed one administrator and they expect others to apply for positions!

Is everyone crazy or am I missing something?

mzchief said...

To M-M @ 11:06...

EXCELLENT! Absolutely, EXCELLENT work!

BRAVA/BRAVO!

Anonymous said...

The newly elected mayor for Bridgeport will face challenges along with a decrease in the tax base. The appraisal district can't keep increasing appraised values on homes to along increased in spending and people can only spend so much for electricity! It will require cutting jobs, services and going back to the drawing board on being the supplier of electricity! It is doubtful the new mayor and city council will be popular if they cut employees and services and certainly if they raise the tax rate to keep the status quo. Of course they can blame the mess on the old mayor but that won't solve the upcoming problems.

All over the county all councils, boards, and commissioners will be faced with raising taxes or cutting spending. The culture of spending will finally meet a day of reckoning with the taxpayers!

I wouldn't want the job! Especially the jobs that don't pay anything!

Anonymous said...

Reduced expenses for artificial turf? Let's watch and see. The son of Rann principal (nephew of board member Lowry) was given cushy/lucrative job of taking care of the current field. You think he will be out of a job with artificial turf? Even salary cut? Come on guys.

Anonymous said...

Mr Stewart,

Reeves was a fine principal? Give it a rest. You know better. You yourself used to complain about the ethical lapses from that lady that you knew aobut.

That was before the advent of the ATEAM, BTEAM concept and you knew what it took to stay on Reeves ATEAM.....suck up, suck up, look the other way

And that is what you did. You observed fine faculty member(who you claimed to have loved,
respected) abused, mistreated and eventually driven from the campus. You remained silent.

But you stayed on the ATEAM with benefits. I actually once respected you as a teacher and a man. Now I can only credit you for what you do between the bells......you struck a deal with the lady and it has cost you more than you think.

Anonymous said...

Ouch 9:07. You didn't understand a word that I said....I could care less who runs a school. I am more concerned about quality in the classroom and if you know me, you know that. Although I have no idea who this could be. As I said, those who stayed aren't suck ups...we love the school, the community and the students. I am sorry you are such a bitter person. Life is short and you would be a happier person if you tried to find what's good about a situation in lieu of what's wrong with it....look at your glass half full. Have a good day. I have no intention of bantering back and worth with this...I just wanted to state that I believe that teachers and students make the school...... Sr.

Anonymous said...

9:02, if you are a student, you have pretty good writing skills. It's too bad you don't have common sense or the knowledge of a true taxpayer though, because you are so off base! In fact, I don't even think you're in the right ballpark. Try again when your 30 and have a few years of taxpaying (property taxes) behind you.

Anonymous said...

Alright 8:28, I am not in the business of buying synthetic turf so I do not have a reason to read sales brochures. I have played on real grass as well as the new style synthetic turf so I think I have a say. Played college football at Tarleton, also played on both surfaces prior to that so I have 6 or so years being on each surface.

There are two things to look at for cutting, contact sports for muscle and ligament injuries regarding turf/grass. Coefficient of Friction (how sticky the surface is and how much friction it will take for a planted foot to slip) and Coefficient of Restitution (Shock absorbtion). One can argue that because turf has a higher CoF, it will cause more ligement injuries but there is no solid proof. Here is a quote from someone who has studied turf injuries and surfaces, "The new generation of synthetic turfs are as safe, even safer in some ways, as natural grass, concluded Michael Meyers, a professor at West Texas A&M University. He has tracked playing field injuries in Texas high schools for eight years now"...and... "But natural grass has its own hazards, such as slippery mud or unseen potholes, and possibly in arid areas, harder surfaces. More concussions per games played occurred on natural grass fields." The higher concussion rates are due to the inconsistent Coefficient of Restitution on natural playing surfaces...ever get tackled on a sub zero temp day on a dry field...I didn't think so! It will rock you to your core, new turf is much more forgiving in this regard. Despite what some folks will have you believe concussions are not just from poor tackling..helmet to helmet contact.

Also you say, "I do happen to know about this "new and improved" turf" but you have said nothing to back that up other than you do not like it? Are you just sitting around in your 600 square foot trailer home worried your tax rate will climb? A signigant tax increase on that dump will not affect you that much anyway.

Common sense is having used your own experience and made the determination of what you feel is best. Again, I am not advocating Decatur should install turf, it is expensive and there are potential drawbacks such as surface temps, infections, and the difference in injuries is negligble. However, to say that it is much more dangerous is just not the case, which was my original position from my original post. Just stating the facts!

As for that swamp land in Florida (why was the lady on Good Times named Florida by the way?)you had to buy it yourself in the first place so who bought into those nice brochures--consider yourself spanked!

Anonymous said...

8:19 and 8:20: Not sure what melinda reeves you know, but the one who was principal when my kids were in high school was NOT popular with the parents, kids, or teachers. We lost a lot of great teachers during her reign, and as a parent, I had no respect for her at all.

Anonymous said...

I really think karen warner would make a good supt.. Anybody agree?!

Anonymous said...

I really think karen warner would make a good supt.. Anybody agree?!

Anonymous said...

I think Pam Holland would be the best superintendent.

Anonymous said...

first of all the son of rann was a fill in for a couple of months due to an injury. It was not permanent.

Anonymous said...

M-M @ 11:06 Great post. And to add to it, one can factor in the time value of money. Relatively easy to do in Excel, schedule the cash flows as you described in two separate columns - one for turf ($1 million in first year, $20K each subsequent year, $350,000 every 10 years, etc) and one for no turf ($50,000 each year). Then use the NPV function at the current borrowing rate for the two scenarious and you can get a Day 1 effect of going the turf route. Anyone that would choose turf after going through this exercise would be a complete idiot.

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone want to work in the district given the crap that everyone described above.

Get a gripe

Anonymous said...

Melinda Reeves would be best. She would fit in with the board.
Similar style and crediability.

Anonymous said...

So what is the deep dark secret at Rann? This is your chance to inform the rest of us without signing your name. So put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

My fear is that the priorities of Decatur Independent School District are all wrong. Acedemics should be the first on any school's list. Athletics should never be the first. Decatur has never been a real powerhouse in any athletic event except maybe Cross Country. Its sad to think that if a kid forgets his lunch money he gets bread with a peice of cheese yet i can drive around to the back of Decatur High School and look onto of the Fieldhouse and see Direct Tv satellites that is piped into big screen tv's in the coaches office for there entertainment. Turf isn't a need. A need is to fix the leaky roof in the multi purpose facilty. Thats a real need. Our current problems need to be taken care of before other wants and luxuries are brought in. Boyd is getting turf yet their football program has done something and made a name for itself. Decatur hasn't produced and major athletes anyway. Fix what we have and then think about maybe getting other things. I hope our new board members really are for THE KIDS and not just the ATHLETIC kids

Anonymous said...

Only one person in the Decatur District could lead this group. Gary Macinski has demonstrated his leadership and ethical strengths. Pam Holland has just placed herself in the right place at the right time to stay on the payroll. Why are we always looking around us for someone to fill in for a position?

Anonymous said...

Let's just call a spade, a spade.
The principal at Rann is totally unsuitable to lead anyone, but she now has a regime to support her poor decisions. She and Melynda, the two M and M's will eventually totally implode this district. Remember that unless you want to continue to suffer and throw your own kids to these people on power trips.

Anonymous said...

Could the district hire Mr. Howard to be the next superintendent?

Anonymous said...

12:18 where have you been? A family friend is being hired for AP over more qualified people. And without teacher input.

Anonymous said...

Well said, 12:17. The DISD board should read and re-read this entry. There is much more at stake for ALL the kids than our athletic program under King Story.

Anonymous said...

12:51 from 12:18
Same thing happened for principal at dms two years ago. Since when is this something new? Half the staff at dms quit or wants to quit. He chased off a lot of teachers. People there are miserable. It isn't a learning environment. Glad to see the joy of teaching is hitting other campuses as well. There should be a big shake-up in DISD.

Anonymous44 said...

If ALL of you that post spent that time doing positive things instead of BEATING -UP others just think what our community would be like. A great deal of assuming goes on here and I have to wonder if anyone is truly wanting to seek out what will be best in the long run or just feeding on issues to grip and complain about!!!
There will always be pros and cons to everything but it is what you do with what you have that is the true test!!! We all need to take the time to find truth and not assumptions. Use those truths to lift each other up and work together. We will never all agree but if we work for what is best it will be more productive for all in the long run!!!!!
in plain terms-- GET A GRIP PEOPLE!!!

Anonymous said...

1:36
Thank you Jiminy Crickett. I am sure we will all be better people now. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

12:51, for centuries (almost) administrators have had the say in who they hire. Site Based Committees are only an ADVISORY committee. That committee does NOT have the last say at all. Those who hire can and will hire whomever they wish as long as they can show they are competent and qualified enough.
That's part of the benefits of administration.
Too many teachers get carried away with site based, thinking they HAVE A SAY. hahaa.. They simply have IMPUT, and that's it!
If you don't believe me, check the rules of a site based committee. You will see they are an ADVISORY committee only. That's why I stopped volunteering for those committees... the boss gets the last say anyway.

Anonymous said...

fix typo--- IMPUT = INPUT

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:21!
I agree. I think Gary Micinski would do a wonderful job!

Anonymous said...

if you don't like who is in charge...then move!!!

Anonymous said...

This is the 9:02 Decatur Student again.
First off, M-M – you proved my point exactly about ad homenims. You started off with a fallacy, right away attacking me rather than my statement. I also never said anything about raising the taxes to the highest rate. I do not even see where you got that idea. Please point out the lapses in logic if you claim there are such in my last post. Also, I do not think the goal is to keep taxes at a minimum unless that is your political belief. Personally, I will not mind a tax raise even higher than the bond if it were to go to the students in my community, I am not that miserly. While I was typing my previous comment, I had a bond brochure next to me; I did not state one thing that was not on the list.
Only 30% of the money was going to the stadium renovations, etc. The other 70% went to school renovations like the lighting, which I still contend is necessary for education. Yes, I have been to the football games; I worked them for two years filming every home and away freshman, JV, and Varsity game. The stadium itself is not in detriment, but one would be hard pressed to argue that the parking lot does not need renovations. I do not know what happened to the bond election previous to the one of I am speaking of, if it even passed. I do know that the bond election after it (the most recent one) was not only about the stadium. If one were to look at the numbers and percentages, (as I pointed out earlier) it is clear that the stadium was not where the majority of the money was to go.
Now, to 9:35 – No, I do not pay property taxes as of yet, but as I stated earlier I do not see the evil in a tax raise if it is for a good reason. Clearly, this is a difference that we cannot abridge, so arguing it is pointless. I understand that people like to keep their own money, but the numbers I got were directly from the handout that the school gave to the students. If there is a discrepancy in my numbers it is not of my own doing. Nonetheless, attacking someone’s knowledge (or common sense, for that matter) is also fallacious. Using facts rather than rhetoric such as the aforementioned is the basis of a solid argument. I ask that someone please give adequate figures to compensate if mine were not so.
Finally, I ask that those who are willing to lash out at me, as well as others, post their name rather than hiding behind anonymity. I realize my mistake of not doing so in my first post and apologize. Thank you – Matthew Britt

Anonymous said...

Going to see the people revolt with appraisals down 10% because they are going to keep spending, spending and spending. The rollback will come into play when they up the tax rates! It will be interesting.

All the good teachers are at Northwest with $48,000 starting salaries! DISD can't compete!

Anonymous said...

12:51- I think you are actually agreeing with the commentor you are arguing with (?). The questions seem to be, are candidates hired based on qualifications? And is external input considered? If the answer to both is yes, then you are right. The administrator makes the decision in the best interest of the school. We need a balanced system in education just as in other job sectors. If people only hire their friends, they may have a limited scope of effectiveness.

Anonymous said...

3:15 I have lived here all my life class of 76 why would I want to move. yall moved in here and thought it was Southlake or Northwest ISD. so when you go take Bitch Story with ya and the rest of the booster club and pawn shop employees.

Anonymous said...

4:36 , wow...you are the problem with this town-district. Wanting to kerp everything just how it is. Before story Decatur football was at a stand still. If your gonna set back take jabs at a public figure and feel good about yourself.. why don't you put your name on it and then we'll see what else comes out of yor scared little mouth. don't act like a hard a** when all you do is hide behind your comments. You have my support story don't worry about these idiots.

Anonymous said...

Note to 10:28, you dropped your crack pipe.

Anonymous said...

Hey all u disgruntled, lazy, rann employees that are blogging...have u ever thought that your the problem????? Rann has a history of running off good people, so pack your crap and leave! oh wait, i forgot your too lazy to even do that-

Anonymous said...

maybe we should move on to the courtroom system drama, or even the healthcare issues, instead of school stuff....quit beating a dead horse and get over it.

Anonymous said...

My name is MARSHA HUDSON HAFER

I would like to take this opportunity to thank each of you whose relentless rants pertaining to DISD have proven yet again that idiocracy is alive and flourishing in Decatur America. How dare you attack people and their families all the while cowering behind the cloak of anonymity. I wonder,how many of you cling to the title of Christian? A special thanks to each Board Member present and past, as well as Administrators and Teachers and Support Staff who strive to improve our district. You are proof that the age old phrase "turning the other cheek" coupled with determination will silence the minions.These recent political tirades have made me appreciate the 30+ year kinships I have acquired and the loyalties they entail. A special thanks to all my "Cronies" you know who you are.

Sincerely, Marsha Hudson Hafer

hangman said...

a simple thought why do we need an indoor practice field if the kids will be playing outside should they not practice outside. i still remember the news footage from the collapse of the dallas cowboys indoor practice facility and the cowboys have more money than disd still got an unsafe one. as far as melinda reeves for supper give me a break she is a evil old lady and if she is given the postion all the teachers that are here doing good would leave

Anonymous said...

Marsha,
The problem is that when we (teachers) speak up to an administrator, it usually reflects in an extra duties, crappy schedules, tough classloads, and in some cases, on good teachers' PDAS evaluations. This is the only place we can somewhat tell our side of the story without fear of retaliation.

Decatur ISD is a political mindfield.

Anonymous said...

Dear 12:51

Teachers do not have a say in the hiring of administrators. Even if they help narrow it down they do not have final say. I understand you are a miserable teacher and you just do not agree with change. If you do not like it- move to another school- or better yet another district!!

Anonymous said...

Watch the vacancy announcements for Decatur High School. Good teachers are still being ran off.

Anonymous said...

Really, there is no point in arguing what WILL happen. We just have to wait and see. Everyone here is predicting future events based on their own knowledge and understanding of Decatur's history and some of the people involved. Bringing up concerns is legitimate, but let's not bash one another so badly. Taxes are a huge concern and frivilous spending is another. Any future plans that abuse either will cause a major uprising due to the present economic crises. Students have no idea how that impacts taxpayers, so their opinions here don't carry much weight. I hope the new and old board members will not think the citizens of this community will stand for the purchasing of items that have been blatantly turned down in the last bond. That kind of maneuvering (manipulation) and malfeasance of office has occurred in the past more than once. I for one, will help lead a rollback if the school system doesn't act responsibly with taxpayers' money.

Anonymous said...

7:10- hey 12:51 here. Guess what? I am not a teacher. However I do pay DISD school taxes. I do have a right to my opinion just as you do. Since we are all anonymous here, I could be your relative or coworker. I am not leaving town. Our purpose is to discuss things, and hope that the system may be improved at some point. Not to tell people to leave their communities.

Anonymous said...

So 12:51- now you want to be loyal to your community? You want to discuss things? Yet you are the one bashing a principal for doing what was best for her school. You have no idea which applicant was most qualified or if any of the teachers had input or not. As long as the principal and AP work together for the benefit of the kids and for the school - that is all you need to worry about.

Anonymous said...

Dude!

What is the real issue?

Sounds like a bunch of skeptics complaining without any positive solutions.

Anonymous said...

If your not gonna leave then do your job and grade some papers right now instead of gripe about your admin. U should trust and support your leader not bash them behind there back. By the way, u know your job will be taken from u when your boss finds out your the one stirring the pot!

Anonymous said...

The real issue is alot of people drank the kool-aid and voted for the 2 that will do as they see fit with your tax money.
Indoor field and turf. to keep story here for another 5&5 season they also have the inside track with what is going on at school (wife )

Anonymous said...

Misery loves company...guess it's somehow cruelly comforting to hear that Decatur has those power hungry people that make decisions very few support just like Chico has the "B" family running the schools and other things.

Anonymous said...

7:13 you are dead wrong. There may be one vacancy announcement for Decatur High School but that's it.

For the past 10 years, the turnover at DHS was as much as 17 or 18 in one year. Now that things are on the right track, that's just not happening now.

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute. Job vacancies at DHS. I don't think so. I work there, and this is news to me.

If you think you know there are lots of job vacancies at DHS, then please do tell, who is leaving?

M-M said...

Matthew Britt: I feel like you might burst into a chorus of 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'. I'd like to further comment on your statements. In your first post, you make a very strong statement that can't be proved, by saying basically that your opinion is informed and everyone else's opinion is uninformed. Quite the overstatement, wouldn't you say.

In looking at the voting history, to have about 2300 votes for such an election that only involves to board seats is quite good. But for you to allude to the idea that those commenting on this blog didn't vote and thus shouldn't comment about the election is totally irresponsible. You have no idea whether they did or not, so why assume what you did?

No one has said that the winning candidates "are so terrible". As far as I know, they are well respected men and contribute and are involved in the community. But the problem is they ran on the theme of "No Hidden Agenda", yet that was a bold face lie. It's only for the kids. Another lie. They ran because their beloved project of turf etc. got soundly defeated. But they went around the community convincing people it's because of this project and that problem that they are running. Then you had an underlying group from the district outling all these problems in the district and equating them to the incumbants. They won based on a false perception presented by them to the voters. Fakeness.

You said, "Decatur actually doesn't have the highest property tax rate, and if the last bond were passed it still wouldn't, and if it did it would be close." You are alluding to the fact that you think we have plenty of room to jack up the tax rate. No problem right. Do you want the highest possible taxes? Most people who pay taxes try to pay as little as possible. The government is going to love you.

Methville comment was sarcastic towards Bowie and unrelated to the turf.

The lighting in the bond at the intermediate school was for the gym, again not for education. Here's the problem with that bond. The part for maintenance projects included quite a few projects that were included in a bond that had passed earlier. So, here's the problem. What happened to that money that came from the bond that should have been used for those projects? And putting them on another bond would be asking the taxpayers to pay for them twice. Do you get it now?

I do appreciate your interest and comments. Thanks

Aaron Renaud said...

"They won based on a false perception presented by them to the voters. Fakeness."

Where exactly is your proof that their intentions aren't genuine? You claim previously that Matthew Britt made a, "very strong statement that can't be proved," yet you then go on do the same. All of your ad hominems, such as calling him a bonehead, really don't apply, and if you still believe they hold weight; they apply to you as well.

Even if there has been corruption in the past, even if you are allowing cynicism to define your identity, to rob you of hope, to leave you as an empty shell of a human being, "Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won." (Mahatma Gandhi)

Also, Matthew Britt never once stated he wants higher taxes; you've totally twisted his wording. All he stated was that your claims about the tax rate are exaggerated, and you've merely proven his point by jumping from a logical point to a Glenn Beck-esque bombasticism. Really? "The government is going to love you?" Watch a little less Feux-news before you post on a blog dedicated to an actual community.

Finally, how does physical education not count as education? Do students not deserve to excel in the areas they are best at? Especially in the Intermediate School, they truly don't have the same quality sports or opportunities as other campuses.

Anonymous said...

Kuddos to Matthew for his well thought out comments as well as his willingness to put his name out there for others to attack. We need more young peoople willing to do the same.

Anonymous said...

Administrators have multiple year contracts so all administrators are on one year contracts just like all teachers. All this complaining results from administrators who want the "comfort and security" of long term contracts thus limiting the possibility of a new superintendent being able to change things at the top.

Anonymous said...

I am a taxpaying citizen in DISD and have several friends that teach at all campuses. A comment was made earlier about DMS of a leader that ran people off 2 years ago, well the teachers are still ready to leave DMS. Nothing has changed - nothing is better if not worse. I wish our new board & superintendent will look at what goes on at one of the most important campuses in our district. I say important because of two things: 1. teenagers at that age & 2. They feed the high school. You see we have a huge hole in our district. Our elementaries, intermediates, and high schools are great and great for kids! Our middle school seems to be the red headed step child and we just seem to ignore its many problems and lack of leadership!

Anonymous said...

It is always credible to sign your name. People respect the person more and what they have to say. Kudos to students, teachers and community members who are secure enough and brave enough to back up what they say.

M-M said...

Aaron Renaud - The proof is in looking at the sequence of events leading up to them running for office. Them being part of the booster boys who proposed the turf in the first place. Being involved in the committee, pressuring the board to vote on it. The board voted no, but put on the bond. The hours of effort they put into pushing to get that bond passed, which it didn't. Then running for the board against two members who voted against the turf. Then all during the campaign their and their supporters emphasis on how they were not running because of turf. Really disingenuous.

You can't read Britt's second paragraph in his first post and not get the idea or impression from him that we have plenty of room to raise our taxes and still not be the highest tax rate. And in his second post he does say he wants higher taxes and would be willing to pay them. That's why I said the government will love him because he seems to be overjoyed about paying taxes. Just wait a few years, just wait.

Physical education is a part of education but different. It's not like they don't have lighting in the gym, they do, but it has needed to be upgraded for many years.

So, as a taxpayer would you want to pay for those projects twice?

Anonymous said...

I like cake!!

Anonymous said...

This is the first time I've read this. Wow u people should just go to school and teach the kids and get along with your co-workers then go home and spend a nice evening with family and start over again the next day. Please tell me (for those teachers that are behaving so badly) that u are teaching because it's your passion not to make others life misserable. I am a parent at Rann Elementary and see lots of smiling faces as I enter the building every morning. I appreciate the warm feeling I get when I'm there.
Please just give everyone a chance and if u try hard to get along it would be a great place to be everyday. Doesn't everyone wanna love there job? It's easier to get along than it is to fight.
Sheryl DuBois

Anonymous said...

9:32AM

We need Linda Whiddon back! She was a great principal. It didn't matter who you were...the rules applied to everyone the same.

She was strict but fair and everyone fell into line. That is what we need from all of the principals as well as the superintedent.

Anonymous said...

9:32 I am a taxpaying parent in DISD and can assure you it is not a lack of leadership at DMS. Mr. Tamplin was highly successful at the Intermediate School. His teachers seemed to like and respect him and their academic performance in that building was excellent thanks to hard working, innovative teachers under his guidance. How can you possibly blame leadership when the problem at DMS has existed through the past three administrators. I see a pattern here...the TEACHERS in that building have been pretty consistent over the past 10-15 years. You are correct when you identify a problem, you are just incorrect when you say it's the administrator.

Anonymous said...

I like cake too!

Katie Rodden said...

In reading this blog and hearing the arguments made by my fellow classmates, I have to wonder why so many of their facts are being ignored. They present logical arguments and reasoning, yet you discredit them. Why is it that just because we are young we cannot possibly understand? We have opinions. We should be allowed to voice them, and those of you who use exclamation marks and call us bone-headed or uninformed only prove your own ignorance.

As for the issues, we are on site. We see the problems with the maintenance and other things at our school alone. I can only imagine the repairs that need to be done on the other campuses since ours is the newest facility. I am in marching band. I know how much it would benefit us to have turf. This year, 4 of our marching rehearsals had to be relocated to a practice field that is not large enough or even has straight lines because the stadium field was underwater. Those rehearsals make a huge difference in our performance at our contest. We see how this would affect us, but you refuse to even consider what it would do. In fact, many of you said that Coach Story wouldn't let anyone else use it, but this simply isn't true. The marching band, football team, and now boys and girls soccer teams have a claim to the field too, and we would all benefit from it. Listen to us. I know you are looking to protect you tax dollars, but think about the good those dollars would do for us, the students. Air-conditioning that works and facilities that are not falling down are a need. Now as far as paying for things twice goes, is it possible that there were other repairs that needed to be made aside from the ones they are saying they need to make now? That seems like the most probable, besides the fact that new repairs are needed all the time.

-Katie Rodden, Sr. at Decatur

Matthew Britt said...

Albeit I am getting tired of having to clarify what I meant in previous posts, I suppose I will one more time. I feel like this is rather pointless, the majority of the high school is more mature than what has been going on here.

To M-M: Once again, you try to belittle the legitimacy of my argument by attacking me personally. That is an ad homenim, a personal attack. It is clear who took the debate class. For the most part, Aaron addressed many points I intended to bring up.

I am disappointed that you twisted my words on multiple occasions, such as saying I was the one that said, “basically that [my] opinion is informed and everyone else's opinion is uninformed.”
Compare that to: “Not to say that the expression of opinions is bad, but I feel like uniformed opinions are running rampant; therefore, I will express mine (clearly being a student and knowing multiple members of the school board, administrators, etc., I do not believe it is too uninformed).”
It actually seems to apply here, in some quotes from you, more so than in mine: “9:02 Decatur student= Wow, what a bonehead you are. You obviously aren't in debate or logical thinking,” and, “8:19 & 8:20 pm, what the heck have you two been smoking?”

Also, just because I said that I would not mind paying taxes for just cause does not mean I support the raise of taxes itself. One can infer all that he/she wants but that does not change the original meaning of what was written. Even if the lighting was not necessary, what about the locks, windows, HVAC, etc., are those unimportant to education? This is my perspective as a student. Your straw man fallacy of asking if I wanted to raise the taxes to the highest level possible was uncalled for, as was the ad homenim fallacy at the end of that paragraph.

“But for you to allude to the idea that those commenting on this blog didn't vote and thus shouldn't comment about the election is totally irresponsible.” I never said that, nor was that my point. If you have to pick my posts apart to make me look bad rather than refute my actual points, that is rather sad.

Bond money cannot go to salaries or anything like that, and, once again, I am not familiar with the bond before the most recent one. The elderly are excluded from the tax raises, though, so they would not have to worry about it.

“Physical education is a part of education but different. It's not like they don't have lighting in the gym, they do, but it has needed to be upgraded for many years.” How is it different? In the schools below Middle School (which includes the Intermediate School), athletics courses are not offered, P.E. is mandatory. A gym needing upgraded lights is similar to a classroom needing upgraded textbooks.

As for the actual subject of the original blog post, those two incumbents (not “incumbants”) weren’t the only ones who voted against the turf, which was pointed out earlier that it was a 3 to 4 vote. Also, calling them “booster boys” is a bit derogatory. They had to campaign that they were not running on the turf issue because people accused them of doing so.

But M-M, please give your real name if you are going to bash me. I am not going to stoop to the level of this bickering, so unless something rather inflammatory is posted that I feel I must refute it, I do not plan to continue having to rebuttal fallacious arguments.

Anonymous said...

Katie my dear go use one of the 2 gyms at the high school. If I remember right that is what the second gym was for. and if you think 3 million is not alot of money then try and count that high.
1.5 for the field and 1.5 to the state = 3 mil.
Turf is a want not a need kind of like gym #2 was

Anonymous said...

Kudos to all the students writing on this blog and expressing your concerns. This is all about YOU or at least it should be. I like how Katie said to "listen to us". We ALL need to listen to the next generation. Their concerns are valid as well! There are complete and utter lies being spewed on this blog, not all lies, but many. Many of these lies may be due to lack of information, but please, for the love of God, if you don't know if something is true 100%, then don't print it on this blog. It is tearing our community apart. Many of you obviously take pleasure in that idea. I don't claim to be an eloquent writer, but the students on here seem to be "schooling" us with their writing skills. Hmmm...guess there is some learning going on in those schools of ours, not just athletics!!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Britt,
"Personally, I will not mind a tax raise even higher than the bond if it were to go to the students in my community, I am not that miserly."

"Also, just because I said that I would not mind paying taxes for just cause does not mean I support the raise of taxes itself."

Two contradicting statements from you. And you used an ad hominem (check your spelling) at the end of that first statement. Shame on you. Just joining in the fun.

Anonymous said...

All I have to say after reading this is that apparently our students do have opinions, and some very valid arguments. Obviously Decatur ISD is not "going to pot" completely if it is able to produce students of this caliber.
Matt, Katie, and Aaron, you represent your generation well. I hope that you never become as cynical and close-minded as some of the people on this blog.
4:29- I have been in the small practice gym at the high school. Please tell me how the entire band is going to fit in there and practice marching. Really?

Anonymous said...

If the small practice gym as you say cant hold the entire band of what 25-30 kids then why do you need a turf field or indoor field? for the kids.
And why did we need a practice gym? one is all that was needed

Anonymous said...

If the small practice gym as you say cant hold the entire band of what 25-30 kids then why do you need a turf field or indoor field? for the kids.
And why did we need a practice gym? one is all that was needed

Anonymous said...

9:10, so if we're all a bunch of "suck-ups" then why are we still here when you all retired or went south (literally)?

If we're such suck-ups, then why are we not leaving to follow the one to whom we "suck?"

Sadly, you're not still here to see how awesome DHS really can be!

Anonymous said...

9:07, and just what did YOU do to keep said faculty member from being run off? Obviousy nothing, since you say he/she left anyway. SHAME ON YOU!!!

Sr. Stewart is the best of the best, and you have the audacity to shame him on this blog, yet hide behind your anonymity!

I'll bet you'd shake his hand, offer a hug and a smile too, when in public, yet criticize him like this - you should be ashamed of yourself.

By the way, we at DHS know who you are!

Anonymous said...

Now that Gindt's gone, can we please hire back the coaches that he forced to resign?

Anonymous said...

7:48, We need the practice gym for J.V. practices, Tournaments, and a gym for anything else because street shoes aren't allowed on game court because it makes the quality of the floor last longer.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous 7:48,
There are 80+ kids in the DHS band program. And those numbers are growing. Just wanted to make you aware.

Susanne Parker said...

It makes my spirits soar seeing the comments by Matthew, Aaron, & Katie. They are intelligent and spirited; they develop and voice their opinions...........and they do it well. It makes their government teacher happy to see that.

It is endearing how they take up for each other.

The "next generation" is in fine hands.

And don't let some of the other posts fool you - being a high school teacher is a very rewarding and fun job, especially at DHS with great students and staff.

Sorry if this somehow posts twice - I posted last night around 8:00 and still not here, so I tried again this morning.

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