6.12.2009

Random Friday Morning Thoughts

Don't Hate Her Because She Loves Books
  • My gate on my wooden fence collapsed in the storm. So I went to Home Depot to get a couple of replacement posts and some concrete. Ran me about $26.
  • But, of course, this is going to be a home repair disaster.
  • I have had the Internet guy (four different ones to be exact) over to do repairs at my house over the last two weeks. As of this morning, it was out again. I'm done.
  • Blogger Anobiter is off to New Hampshire for a whole month. Her blog posts indicated that she headed to DFW at 7:34 a.m yesterday. At 2:39 p.m., she still hadn't boarded due to weather delays.
  • I've never been a fan of "inspirational quotes."
  • I'm thinking of Debbie Gibson.
  • One year later, I'm still fascinated by the opening Olympic Ceremony segment of all those Chinese drummers. As Bob Costa's said, it was a little "intimidating."
  • Paul McCartney and Wings, even at it's cheesiest, is still better than most of what is going on in music today.
  • Sheesh, that makes me sound old.
  • My first concert: Boston at the Tarrant County Convention Center where me and my buddies paid a scalper $12 each for the tickets.
  • I'm calling Hawkins Funeral Home to reserve a plot.
  • Whether it be the WFAA radar or the Dallas Morning News web site that suddenly requires you to register, it's proof that Belo Corp has no idea why it will soon be bankrupt. (By the way, you can cheat the sign-up page by getting a quick username and password at BugMeNot.com)
  • Back to my old age theme: I watched a little of Paul Newman in The Verdict last night (highly overrated, I might add) but I noted that all of the six male jurors wore a suit. I've practiced law for 23 years, and I don't recall even one male juror wearing even a tie.
  • Didn't the creation of USB port on a computer make things 1,000 times easier?
  • For all of you that were jumping for joy over the mentally handicapped kid that was sentenced to 100 years in prison: Aren't you the ones that say, "Every life is precious?"
  • The crazy right winger is more dangerous than the crazy left winger (i.e. abortion doctor killer, Holocaust Memorial guard killer, etc.)
  • The Irving City Manager makes $390,000 a year?
  • "Woman Who Missed Air France Tragic Flight Killed in Car Wreck Days Later". Fate will not be denied?
  • There was a weird white powdery substance outside my office door this morning.

111 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hawkins can't sell you a plot BG. Call the City of Bridgeport.

.....surely you jest.

Xanthippas said...

Back to my old age theme: I watched a little of Paul Newman in The Verdict last night (highly overrated, I might add) but I noted that all of the six male jurors wore a suit. I've practiced law for 23 years, and I don't recall even one male juror wearing even a tie.

Back in the day, people had respect for the LAW!

Propagandist said...

I can't believe Barry, being the big techie, forgot to mention today is the day TV really does go digital.

If y'all need help getting hooked up click on over to this website for the scoop.

Kids, that was self promotion at its worst.

Anonymous said...

Crazy "Right Wingers" that killed an abortion doctor took out one life while the totally sane and normal doctor took out hundreds perhaps thousands of lives. Kind of puts it in perspective doesn't it? Yes, life is precious and the 18 year old killer can certainly enjoy his precious life in prison. His victim was unavailable for comment.

soz said...

For all of you that were jumping for joy over the mentally handicapped kid that was sentenced to 100 years in prison: Aren't you the ones that say, "Every life is precious?"

The crazy right winger is more dangerous than the crazy left winger (i.e. abortion doctor killer, Holocaust Memorial guard killer, etc.)

oh jeez. here we go. also, the woman from the plane just makes me think of that awful movie, final destination. which i've seen. twice.

Anonymous said...

Wow! 390k a year and Irving looks like Irving?

Perry in Perrin said...

Don't know the story about the kid sentenced to 100 years but it seems he is going to prison, not being killed, so it isn't ending his life like abortion does. Yes, I am pro-life and that includes doing away with the death penalty. Let's talk it over sometime.

I don't think one crazy extremist is more dangerous than the other. They both find ways to be destructive. Do you think gang-bangers lean more left or right? Drug dealers...think they were big Bush supporters?

What are you thoughts on the nut job in D.C.? (Does the question mark go after the period behind the "C"? What about in that last sentence?) Any chance his elevator doesn't hit the top floor? What do you do with him wise one?

Anonymous said...

Very sad that people can get so up in arms about a mentally deficient kid and want to crucify him, but think it's perfectly fine to shoot a man for his beliefs and choices. A sad commentary on the radical right-wing, who, frankly, scare the **** out of me. As for the woman and the plane, when you time's up, it's up. Period. Another reason to just go on about life and stop woe-is-meing everytime someone kicks it.

Anonymous said...

Mao was a crazy left-winger, he only killed 80 million.

wordkyle said...

ummm....William Ayres, Weather Underground, Unabomber, Black Panthers, military recruiter killer....

Not to mention the violence persistently committed against Conservative speakers on college campuses.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the people that perished on the Air France crash wished they were still waiting at the terminal for the weather to clear?

Anonymous said...

Camo bikini and a good book, gawd I love wise county park

Jarhead said...

My first concert was John Denver when I was about 6 [my parents brung me]. I still remember the smell of weed hanging heavily in the air at Market Square Arena. Ahhh, the 70s!

Opening act? The Starland Vocal Band. Yep. "Afternoon Delight."

Anonymous said...

Slut O The Day must be wearing camouflage because I can't see her

Anonymous said...

Super shocked you are not blogging about Sonney and Cher's daughter having a sex change to be a man.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, your distorted view again shows up. The Unabomber and the Black Panthers are very conservite in their views. If they were liberal, they would afford everyone the right to their views rather that try to force their views off on everyone else.

Anonymous said...

As for the sex change deal, that really bothers me! Just don't get it

Anonymous said...

Looking at that chick gives me an unbelievably large LUMP in my throat or somethin.

Anonymous said...

8:30 you need to read the whole story before you post your useless opinion. He didn't kill the boy.

Anonymous said...

8:39- Hitler was a crazy right-winger. I don't care to look up the death toll there, but do I really have to?

Anonymous said...

Maybe Anobiter can have a little fun at the New Hampshire car wash!

Anonymous said...

Barry, aren't you a high paid lawyer? Don't try to fix your fence. Call someone to come fix it for you.

Anonymous said...

The Book of Life will judge each of us based on each persons life. Our Creator is neither left or right wing.

Anonymous said...

bet that's some good eating !

Bryant Family said...

The first two concerts that I chose to go to and actually paid for my own tickets:
- Stevie Ray Vaughan
- Elton John

The next one will be U2.

There have been a lot of free ticket shows in between, but these are the only three shows that I have selected & paid for myself.

I figure I have a pretty high batting average in the "bang for your buck" category.

Fast Eddie said...

Left wing and right wing are predudicial, bigoted misnomers. This is similar to the argument "you do that all the time."

Crazy is crazy no matter the alleged political persuasion.

Anonymous said...

ZZ Top. Dallas Convention Center.
$8.00. We had to mail our cash or money orders in and wait to get tickets back in the mail...and we liked it.

Anonymous said...

In ref to your internet problem...If you have a laptop and At&T wireless service then get an air card thru them for unlimited internet service for $60 a month and is added to your cell bill.

Anonymous said...

Belo: I have to wonder if WFAA is getting a kickback from the cable and satellite companies. They were always the strongest channel on my antenna. Then a few months ago they said they were reducing power. It is amazing that all the DFW channels come in great on digital except WFAA. They only come in on a cloudy day and then break up. Just wondering.

Anonymous said...

9:24, I value your valuable opinion. Where was it again that I said he killed his victim?

Anonymous said...

I must have been at the same John Denver concert as Jarhead. I recall asking my parents what "Afternoon Delight" meant. I assumed it was some kind of adult beverage. Worst memory of that concert: the drunk lady next to me somehow lost control of the gum she was chewing and it ended up in my hair. In her drunken attempts to get it out, she only mashed it in further and I ended up looking like a small, white Buckwheat. Good times.

Anonymous said...

Is Cher's sibling(whatever gender it is now) going to get an addadicktomy or a face transplant?

Anonymous said...

Steppenwolf, Dallas, 1971. Pot smoke so think you could get high without smoking. Got thrown up on from the dudes behind us!

wordkyle said...

917 - Your attempt at definitions is adorable. You're right; there's no group quite as tolerant of other views as Liberal environmentalists, aka "the heart of the Democrat party." (And Unabomber and Black Panthers described as "conservitive?" They would kill you for that.)

Anonymous said...

The fact that that a person can't recognize the difference between an innocent baby and a grown human scares me me more than anything.

The fact that some dumbass would relate a white supremist with being "right wing" is even more scary.

That's not "right wing" that's psycopathic.

Anonymous said...

Iron Maiden & WASP at the now being dismantled Reunion Arena-I don't remember but I am guessing tickets were no more than $15 at the time.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it was the same concert as Jar-Jar's, but one of my earliest concerts was also Henry John Deutschendorf (John Denver) at McFarlin Auditorium (SMU) in the '70s, with SVB opening.

Wish I'd caught P-Mac and Wings in '76 Over America tour - woulda loved that. Silly, huh?

First concert not attended with parents - Linda Ronstadt, Dec 1976 @ DCC Arena. Leo Sayer & Andrew Gold opening. And BeeGee feels old...

Did manage to see F-Mac at TCCC on the Rumours tour, Kenny Loggins opening. There was a thick haze in the arena - I didn't contribute to it, but hey, a person's gotta breathe [deeply].

Anonymous said...

From where is the ---- to create the male anatomy for Chastity's new ummmmmm?

Will he/she/it still be called Chastity????

mzchief said...

Attempting to discern whether a zealot from the liberal left is worse than a zealot from the conservative right is tantamount to discerning whether horse poop smells worse than cow poop. They both stink and are something avoided by intelligent people.

M-M said...

My first concert and first date was Three Dog Night, fall of 1976. It was awesome.

Barry, what internet "non"service do you have out there at your house? I have Embarq DSL in town at my office and Urnet wireless at the house. Both work great.

Anonymous said...

ok, so what do you suggest they do with the kid? put him in a home for the mentally insane? hmmmm yep, he'd have lots of good times there with the other "patients." most likely with those who are unable to communicate and won't be able to tell they are being molested by this criminal. Sorry...wrong is wrong.

Anonymous said...

My parents subjected me to Mac Davis at Six Flags. My first was Rush, at the DCC.

Barry, don't you live less than a mile from Lowe's? I appreciate your effort to help my HD stock.

Anonymous said...

What does "right winger" have to do with abortion? Anyone with any sense at all would be against killing an innocent unborn child. Give up on labeling people and begin to stand up for what is right.

18clues said...

Paul McCartney and Wings? That stuff was mediocre at best when it was first released. Good music ages like good wine. Bad music just gets moldy.

BG, download some Wilco as soon as you can. (I suggest downloading because I don't think you can get any of Wilco's catalog in a format that fits your 8-track player.)

Anonymous said...

Mzchief, I think everyone is missing the point. Just pointing out that there are alot more zealots on the left than there are on the right. Strength in numbers is what is scary.

Anonymous said...

10:09: it's Cher's daughter/son, not sibling. And to 10:23, no, "his" name will be Chaz. Saw on the news this am that Cher is NOT happy with the change and that she "went ballistic" when "she" even came out of the closet, so this is even worse. Can't blame her for going ballistic. How traumatic to raise a kid and have it totally reject what he/she/it is!

Anonymous said...

To Barry, why on earth would you do the gate yourself when you can PAY someone to do it for you? That's one of the perks of being "mature" and affluent.

Anonymous said...

That white powdery substance outside your office was fairy dust.

RPM said...

Barry, I went to the same Boston concert. Sammy Hagar was the opening act. We also bought tickets from a scalper for $12 and found a parking spot right in front of the doors at TCCC.

M-M said...

mzchief: Excellent analogy.

R and R said...

My first concert...

8th Grade
Nazareth
"Hair of the Dog"

then on to AC/DC

Anonymous said...

10:09

Sibling is a bro or a sis. Chastity is Cher's daughter, or offspring. Squid is also an acceptable description.

Grand Funk Railroad at TCCC.

10:06

There were 2 8:30 postings. 1 mentioned killing, 1 didn't.

"The Book of Life will judge each of us based on each persons life. Our Creator is neither left or right wing." What, no wings??? So much for my vision of all the souls in Heaven. I guess I'll just have to focus on the Victoria's Secret models down here on earth. They have nice wings.

Double Fake Apache Chief Lefty Right Wingnut

Xanthippas said...

Not to mention the violence persistently committed against Conservative speakers on college campuses.

You mean pies in the face? Well, I guess I'll give you that.

And the Black Panthers? And Ayres? I know the right has a long collective memory, but you are aware that stuff was like forty years ago, right? Also, the guy who killed the recruiter was a religious wacko. You know, like the guy who killed Tiller. Religious wacko-ism is not a hallmark of the left.

Xanthippas said...

What does "right winger" have to do with abortion? Anyone with any sense at all would be against killing an innocent unborn child. Give up on labeling people and begin to stand up for what is right.

Don't be silly. I could just as easily write "What does "left winger" have to do with abortion rights? Anyone with any sense at all would be against forcing women to have children they don't want. Give up on labeling people to stand up for what is right" and that would be about as legitimate as what you wrote.

So basically yes, there are two sides to the issue.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't it the Black Panthers that were just acquitted for voter intimidation when it was captured on video that they were carrying batons and blocking polling places?

Anonymous said...

Now thats the kind of cammo you want to take with you to the deer lease!




We are all little sheep that has lost our way...baaa baaa baaa.


Have a great Tweekend!

Anonymous said...

Barry,

Not sure who your ISP is but you might want to check out Partnership Broadband.

They're a wireless service and their $49.95 package operates at faster down/up load speed than what the county currently offers and their reliability has been very good.

Check'em out partnershipbroadband.com

Anonymous said...

Score Board

Crazy Left Wingers(Hitler, Stalin, Castro... - Millions
Crazy Right Wingers(abortion doctor killer, Holocaust Memorial guard killer, etc.) - Two

Not even close!

Anonymous said...

Score Board

Crazy Left Wingers(Hitler, Stalin, Castro... - Millions
Crazy Right Wingers(abortion doctor killer, Holocaust Memorial guard killer, etc.) - Two

Not even close!

wordkyle said...

Xan - Please, you ought to be beyond trying to act cute. A physical attack qualifies as violence. What's more significant is that these attacks are universally committed by Liberals against Conservative speakers.

And the activities surrounding the last Presidential election apparently passed you by (else you might have seen the Panthers in action.) I tossed in Ayers because 1) He was a Radical Left terrorist who planted bombs to kill policemen, and 2) He has close ties to Left Wing Democrat Barack Obama.

BG is not afraid to post a weak point in order to stimulate discussion. This was one of those.

Anonymous said...

Please excuse me, but Hawkins does sell plots

Xanthippas said...

On another note, the guy in the bacon ad on the Ticket sounds more like a serial killer than a doctor.

Xanthippas said...

WordKyle- so let me get this straight. There is nothing to distinguish a pie in the face from a bullet in the face? I mean, just to be clear for our audience here.

As for Ayers...we're not talking about the election, we're talking about recent acts of violence. What Ayers or anyone in the Weather Underground does not by any definition qualify as "recent" so again, I'm not sure why acts of violence committed by Leftist radicals from the 60s is relevant to our discussion.

I guess pies are though, if you consider that "extremist violence."

LandShark 5150 said...

First show 1970 Janis Joplin, a little club outside Houston, older cuz drug my 8 yr. old arse to it.
First by choice, 1977 Ted nugent, Memorial Auditorium Little Rock Ark., backstage--thought I was going to be a high little monkey--wrong. Followed by, and I still have the general admittance $6. tickets, Lynyrd Skynyrd - they didn't show. F-mac and the Who same year, $6 gen ad. But Led Zepplin in Dallas was the best of that era. God I'm f'n getting old.

wordkyle said...

Xan - Try to focus. Liberal protesters physically attack Conservative speakers, whereas Conservative protesters do not physically attack Liberal speakers. That is a significant fact. Your restating my points as false equivalents is you trying to act cute again.

My only mention of the election was regarding the Black Panthers and their threat of violence to intimidate voters. That's recent, right?

In 2001, Ayers said he had no regrets for planting bombs designed to kill police, and that he "didn't do enough." That is a strong radical Far Left endorsement of violence, said during recent times -- not 40 years ago. Relevance? He is an associate ("neighbor and family friend") of the current leader of the Left, Barack Obama.

Anonymous said...

Does Xanthippas do anything other than comment on this blog?

Anonymous said...

I'm looking at that chick with my super special CAMO be GONE GLASSES and it I must say it warms the Cockles of my heart or somethin.

The Real Xanthippas said...

12:53,

Not that it's any of your business, but I frequent other websites as well.

TRX

Richard Morgan said...

Uh -- would Fidel Castro be considered a "left winger?" Has he caused a little more damage than the Holocaust shooter or the abortion doctor slayer?

Anonymous said...

Seriously, what ISP service are you using?

Anonymous said...

Hawkins has the plot layouts, but it is my understanding that the city gets the money for the land.

Anonymous said...

which is it? city of b'port or hawkins?? i'm dying to find out!!!

Anonymous said...

I went ahead and clicked to enlarge the chicks photo, funny thing we both enlarged.

Woody

Anonymous said...

Hawkins has the plot layouts, and sells the plots, but the money is then given to the city of B-port. The cost of the plots is included in the cost of the funeral expenses, works the same way for Jones. Bridgeport has a cemetary association that also helps.

Anonymous said...

Xan, Don't you find it ironic that left winger liberal weenies try to shut down free speech from a conservative but yet liberal colleges invite Dictators to come and speak and no one throws pies at them?

Dixie said...

Barry, can you use your hook ups at Channel 4 to find video of Cross Canadian Ragweed singing on Good Day Live this morning?

soz said...

i don't really understand wanting a sex change, but a lot of people don't understand "why" i'm gay. i don't ask them to, and i don't think chastity bono is asking anyone else to either. in fact, i believe what she wants is privacy. the not understanding thing, well, i can let it go if she's that miserable in the skin she's in; everyone deserves to feel "right". i'm sure as heck not gonna be the one to try to tell someone what that is for them.

Xanthippas said...

Try to focus. Liberal protesters physically attack Conservative speakers, whereas Conservative protesters do not physically attack Liberal speakers. That is a significant fact. Your restating my points as false equivalents is you trying to act cute again.

Well, see the problem is you keep trying to equate two different things, "liberal violence" (people getting pies in the face or forty year old acts of violence or violence by Muslim extremists) with "right-wing violence" (people getting shot in the face right now) so you can make some kind of silly argument that left-wing extremists commit violence just like right-wing extremists. I'm not the one establishing false equivalencies here; you just don't like that I'm restating your argument so bluntly so that it's absurdity is apparent.

Anonymous said...

We have too many people in this world - especially those born to low-income single mothers. We need more abortions. Let God decide what is right and wrong.

Barry, I wouldn't worry about the wacko right wingers too much. It is plain to see that our country continues to become more and more liberal each year - especially with the younger crowd (well, with the exception of the rural yournger crowd). These wackos are predominately baby boomers and their days are surely numbered. So, its probably just best to let these folks spend their time and energy complianing, plotting, lobbying - and killing - in an unwinnable battle to ban abortion in the USA.

(The same logic can be applied to other issues such as gay marriage)

Anonymous said...

That pic is photoshopped. Everyone knows women can't read.

Anonymous said...

My first concert was to take my 11year old son(he;s now 55) to see H EAR "The Iron Butterfly and to this day I cannot stand Innagaddadavida(sic).

wordkyle said...

Gosh, Xan, I thought I had gone tit for tat by mentioning the Unabomber, a radical Leftist who killed several people with his bombs. Shall we get into systemic union violence? Unions are staunch Democrat supporters. How about the rifle-toting nut who threatened a Republican party chairmen? (Maybe that doesn't count because he didn't pull the trigger.)

The importance of the Liberal violence against Conservative speakers is that
1) It is completely unilateral; Conservatives do not attack Liberal speakers.
2) It is coordinated. Attacks happen throughout the country, in almost identical ways with identical methods.
3) The attacks are downplayed (just as you are trying to do.) Criticism of the attacks (by Liberals) is non-existent. This implicitly endorses the use of violence to silence Conservative opposition.

Rare, individual acts of violence that are immediately and universally condemned by Conservatives, or frequent coordinated violence organized and endorsed by Liberals? Which is more dangerous?

Anonymous said...

FIRST CONCERT IRON BUTTERFLY
AWSOME ONE HIT WONDER

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Anonymous said...

Isn't the closest Home Depot in Denton??? Why drive so far?

Anonymous said...

Hitler was a Fascist.

A Fascist is an extreme right winger in any legitimate definition.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you totally Xan.

I don't like to take the effort to call-out WK a lot of the time; so thanks for representin.

Jarhead said...

7:08,

Pfft. You couldn't "call-out" any poster on this blog with a triple fake bullhorn.

Stick to driving rock haulers.

But thanks for the laugh.

Xanthippas said...

Good Lord Wordkyle, you keep bringing up Kaczynski. The guy wasn't a liberal or a "leftist", he was a freakin' Luddite. The rejection of technology and industrial society is neither left nor right, necessarily. It is a separate phenomenon that has been embraced by both left-wing and right-wing extremists, and people without any ideological affiliation.

Look, I'll be straight with you. If we had a modern day Weather Underground (the vast conspiracy of pie-throwing fanatics doesn't count) I would admit that they were on the far left, and then I would decry their attacks and their philosophy and repudiate them. People like me would take people on the right a lot more seriously if you would admit that anti-Semitism and white supremacy are symptoms of right-wing extremism, and then repudiate practitioners of both. Instead you go shifting definitions around so that suddenly, kids throwing pies are the equivalent of gunmen shooting up museums, and people like me stop taking you seriously.

At least you haven't gone so far as to attempt to define von Brunn as a "liberal" like some other nuts on the right. For that, I give you some credit.

Anonymous said...

The left wing, right wing thing is really funny. To far to either side is truly dangerous.

But by far, the left has more bodies stacked up. It would be really hard to label Hitler as a right winger, since the right is known for supporting greater individual freedom and liberty.

That means that they believe even a baby in the womb should have the same opportunities as everyone else.

The left is much more liable to go for central government control, as we are experiencing right now in the US.

The other examples are communist China, the USSR, Cuba, etc. Each of which has multitudes of bodies stacked up to their credit. All told, millions. Many recently.

The left has not become too violent in this country yet. We shall see how that goes. But history shows the template is there.

BTW, the buy in DC was not a right winger. His writings show he hated Bush, Rush, O'Rielly, Jews, etc.

Blah

wordkyle said...

Xan - The Unabomber was as much a part of the Left as environmentalists are. His anti-business, anti-development philosophy would land him squarely in the Liberal Democrat platform. Yet you claim he doesn't count as a "left wing extremist." You also simply ignore the unions' history of violence. Systemic, organized violence. Unions are the most ardent of Liberal Democrat supporters.

To include racism (anti-Semitic, anti-black, or any other kind) as part of the right wing philosophy is whacko in itself. The Right views individuals on their own merits, rather than consider them as groups. Nutjobs who kill people based on race (and we should include blacks who target white victims) are outside of any "wing." If you want to find institutional racism, look no further than the Democrat party. Liberal Democrats are today's racists. (e.g., quotas, Ricci, racially divisive political campaigns)

I'll make the subject simple for you - violent acts committed by what the media inaccurately calls "right wing" are rare and isolated. They are also roundly condemned by responsible people on the Right. Violent acts by the Left -- including union violence, threats of violence and the physical attacks that you keep trying to minimize -- are organized, coordinated and frequent. They are either ignored or excused by leaders on the Left. So which is more dangerous?

soz said...

2:16 am

why on earth would anyone hate Rush? they were my first concert, and they rock. i'm so confused...

Anonymous said...

Of course all of the dangerous whackos are right wing. The left just has those lovable, warm, fuzzy groups like ELF and ALF. Google them to find out about those kind-hearted leftisis.

Anonymous said...

OK, all bad , violent, killer types are bleeding heart liberal left wingers. All sweet, charming, and good types are compassinate conservative rightwingers. It is all clear now how this works.

Anonymous said...

The KKK, anti-Semitics, White Supremists, Fascists, etc. have ALWAYS been considered part of the far-right. Eccentric, yes, but they are still on the right, as opposed to the left, side of the political spectrum.

You may not want them on your side of the political spectrum, and I don't blame you, but that doesn't make them not there, WK.

wordkyle said...

154 - Those groups were considered far right extremeists sixty years ago because they shared some of the same goals as Conservatives (the Right,) although institutional racism was never one of those goals.

The modern American media use an out-of-date, inaccurate, banal description out of laziness and a desire to manipulate opinion. Today, when you look for racism as a common ideal, the Democrat party is just as prominent as the KKK, White Supremacists, etc.

Anonymous said...

My first concert was in 1979 at Reunion Areana in Dallas and there was a lot of pot smoking going on.

Anonymous said...

I am old enough to have known members of the KKK when I was a kid.

They were ALL staunch democrats, for their entire lives.

Robert Byrd

Anonymous said...

Wk - your statement:
"Today, when you look for racism as a common ideal, the Democrat party is just as prominent as the KKK, White Supremacists, etc."

That is an extremist belief in itself......way outside the mainstream.

C'mon, that's just ridiculous. And actually, I know you probably think that's true - I don't think you are one to make statements that you don't believe just to rouse us up.
Again, That is so ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

1:17 -
So? That was the South back in the day - staunch Democrats year in and year out.

The fact is the left side of the political spectrum endorses affirmative action, progressive taxes, etc, to help minority groups catch up, to help the poor have basic neccessities.

The right side of the spectrum is all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, climb your own way out of poverty, if you are a minority you don't need help any more than a white male, etc.

They are just different political philosophies.

But the one that is the friend to minorities and would never attract a White Supremist is the one on the left.

wordkyle said...

340 - Liberal Democrats have beaten down blacks for forty years, hammering them down with the message that they can't succed in America without government help.

Frances Rice, chairman of the National Black Republican Association: “The Democratic Party has built its power base on the backs of poor blacks, and they want to keep blacks poor, angry, and voting for Democrats...The Democrats fight every effort of Republicans to get blacks out of poverty because they know that once blacks become prosperous, the Democratic Party will lose its power base....The Democratic Party is the architect of modern day racism.”

Anonymous said...

Word Kyle must be a jerk. Providing a quote from the totally unbiased (?) chair of the National Black Republican Assn to establish a point is ludicrous. Maybe you also have quotes from the KKK to establish your position.

wordkyle said...

606 - I am a jerk, but not because I quote a black person describing the Democrat party's racism. Is that black person's opinion not valid because she's a Republican?

Anonymous said...

I cannot remember the year, but this event occured was while LBJ was pushing through his "new society".

I went to a democratic political meeting with my uncle. The just past governor of Texas was there.

LBJ's ideas were presented, and support was asked for from those white, democrat, males. The over-riding point for support was that LBJ's programs would "keep the black man (ni##er) down.

The main premise is that the programs would keep the good jobs in the hands of whites.

Yep, dems have really done the blacks favors.

MLK

Anonymous said...

11:46 - If that was your impression of the reason to support LBJ among that group of white male Dems, it could have been that message was picked to fit the audience. Media wasn't there to report every thing said. I would not put that past LBJ, he was rather unscrupulous when it fitted his needs.

LBJ had many faults as president, mostly related to Vietnam. But you can put his Civil Rights Legislation up there at the top. Civil Rights Act of 1964 (made Jim Crow Laws illegal), Voting Rights Act of 1965 (removed impediments to voting based on race) are considered the hallmarks in Civil Rights legislation. In addition, there was Medicare, Great Society programs (war on poverty) which included urban renewal, conservation, increased funds for college students, Federal funds for education, etc.

So your memory as a young person may be right or may not be - I have found that memories can be colored by time and emotions.

But based on what laws LBJ championed and got through Congress, using the famous, or infamous, LBJ treatment, based on his ACTIONS and Legislative victories, LBJ was a huge friend to minorities and the poor.

Anonymous said...

From Abe up to LBJ, the Republican party was the party of choice for blacks. Just as now, back then they supported in mass.

Republicans were always supportive of EQUAL rights.

The kicker is that LBJ's programs would not have been passed without support from the GOP in Congress.

And in the end, the welfare programs did NOT help blacks, but exactly the opposite. It gave them just enough to survive, and no impetus to become better.

For many Dems at the time, that was the purpose.

Lady Bird

Anonymous said...

6:35
You Republicans are always trying to re-write history in their favor, depending on what they judge to be in their favor at the time.

LBJ's programs would not have been passed without LBJ. JFK couldn't get the Senate to cooperate; LBJ did - he was a master politician.

And yes, the Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were part of the problem, but that was only a minority in the Democratic party, as opposed to the majority of the Republican party that were against the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Rights Acts.

You're really trying to say Dems were just trying to give blacks enough to survive when they ensured that blacks could vote, when they marched alongside the blacks, when they road on the Freedom Buses with threats from the Whites at every stop, when they worked for legislation that allowed blacks to get a drink of water, or use the restroom, or have a meal, or go to school, at the same places whites did??? I think the Democrats were working to give blacks basic human rights; it was a little bigger than than just enough to survive..... Unlike the Republicans, the majority of which were against ALL civil rights legislation during that era.

The Democrats are and were the party of civil rights. You can't rewrite history.

Anonymous said...

I was fairly sure you are exactly wrong, so I did a search. You are VERY wrong.

Not sure of this source.

http://www.americanexperiment.org/publications/2000/20000823kersten.php

"It is the Republican Party that overwhelmingly supported passage of both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, while an intransigent block of Democrats did all they could to stop it.

The numbers tell the story. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 came to a vote after a 57-day filibuster engineered by Southern Democrats among them Sen. Al Gore Sr. father of the current Democratic presidential nominee. (Gore refused to vote to end the filibuster despite a personal plea from President Lyndon Johnson.) In the face of serious Democratic opposition, only strong Republican support could end the filibuster and ensure that the bill became law.

When the final congressional vote was tallied, Republican support exceeded Democratic support by a substantial margin. Eighty percent of House Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, but only 63 percent of Democrats. Eighty-two percent of Senate Republicans voted yea, while only 69 percent of Democrats did so.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 played out in a similar fashion. Eighty-five percent of House Republicans voted for the bill, compared with 80 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, the margin was greater: 97 percent of Republicans vs. 74 percent of Democrats.

The vote on these two bills followed a pattern set much earlier. In the 26 major civil rights votes between 1933 and 1964, a majority of Democrats opposed the legislation over 80 percent of the time, while a Republican majority favored it over 96 percent of the time.

I am sure it stings,

Alex Trebeck

Anonymous said...

Alex -
Probably you & I are the only ones still coming back to this post. I'll try to be brief as possible.

Yes, the majority of both parties finally voted for the civil rights acts. But the reason the Democrats didn't vote in as big of percentages was because of the South, which was almost entirely Democratic at the time. THe Southern Democrats, nicknamed the Dixiecrats, were the stumbling block, and were out of step with the rest of the Democratic party. YEs it took the leadership of Everett Dirksen (R) to line up enough Republicans to stop the filibuster.....I'm getting too long.

I suppose our difference is in our focus - mine is on the presidency, yours is on Congress. JFK, tried and failed to get the Civil Rights Act passed. LBJ, who is known for his ability to get Congress to vote his way, made Civil Rights Act & Voting Rights Act a top priority for his administration. Even though IKE did sign a Civil Rights Bill, it was never considered a priority, a hallmark of his agenda.

When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it is said that he put down his pen and said something to the effect of "We've (meaning Dems) lost the South for a generation." Those are the Dixiecrats I mentioned before. His words came true as the South began to go Republican, because they did not like the Civil Rights Acts that a Democratic President signed and campaigned for and continue to champion.

Other Democratic leaders in that field were Hubert Humphrey, MLK's top advisor Andrew Young (who wrote the Voting Rights Act of 1965).

I've got to get to work - must stop here.

So I'll leave with one more thought. Blacks have overwhelming (in the largest marjorities of any group)and consistently voted Democratic in the last 50 years. When Republicans have black members of Congress or the Cabinet, they hold them up as if to say, "See, we have black Republicans?"

It is the exception, not the rule, when blacks vote or represent Republican instead of Democratic.

Thank you for your time, Alex, I would actually like to talk more if I had the time.

Anonymous said...

Just as with ending slavery in the US, the Republicans always led in getting everyone their civil rights. EQUAL rights for everyone.

From Ike to Reagan, the dems dominated Congress, with numbers the GOP could not match. Until LBJ came along, they could not get the voting or civil rights procedures changed, as they wished.

The Republicans have always been, at least until recently, like an anchor for the Constitution, the original Constitution. Keeping things straight down the line.

The dems have always been like the dinghy on the end of the anchor, swaying to one side or the other, seemingly always wrong.

Sadly, over almost the last decade, the US has lost their anchor.

Tom Paine

Anonymous said...

That, Tom Paine, is your opinion & only your opinion.