5.26.2009

Random Tuesday Morning Thoughts

  • Someone asked me whatever happened to Prestonwood Baptist Church minister Joe Barron who was arrested when he drove to a location to meet what he believed to be an under-aged girl. I have no idea.
  • I was without Internet and TV for half the day on Sunday. You know, after my initial panic was over it wasn't a bad experience.
  • I caught a little bit of the first Cowboys Super Bowl (1993) under Jimmy Johnson last night on the NFL Network. The NBC broadcast pointed out that no one on the Cowboy defense made the Pro Bowl that year. Really? Edit: Hey, 5:54 p.m., I said the first Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson. Pay attention.
  • After a Cowboy touchdown near the end of second quarter to make it 28-10, the PA played "Don't Blame It On Texas."
  • New this morning: We will have an hispanic female on the Supreme Court. Here wikipedia page is here.
  • ABC's Ann Compton reported on the radio this morning that the prospective judge was a Harvard Law School graduate. Wikipedia says Yale Law School. I wonder who is right?
  • My office a/c won't kick on this morning. That is a very bad sign. Edit: Penny arrived and diagnosed the problem in about, uh, five seconds.
  • North Korea tested a nuclear weapon yesterday which sent earthquake like shock waves for miles around. All of the world condemned the test.
  • I've never understood how some sovereign nations believe another sovereign nation can't have a nuclear weapon. If I run North Korea and hear George W call me part of the "Axis Of Evil" and then watch him order the invasion of Iraq without provocation, one of the first things I do is develop nuclear weapons. At the very least, it will give me respect at the negotiation table.
  • I saw a lady buying a home drug testing kit at the grocery store the other day.
  • I like the Goo Goo Dolls -- which, now that I think about it, is one crazy name.
  • I saw Danica Patrick interviewed after her third place finish at the Indy 500. I bet she is insufferable.
  • TO blames Romo via Twitter.
  • I saw a Bentley like this in Fort Worth the other day. Cool. (And the photo link was taken at the Byron Nelson.)
  • The most grateful I am for any course I've taken: One year of high school typing.
  • That was the ultimate let down as the Rangers hosted the Yankees yesterday. But from the sound of the crowd over the TV, it seemed like half the fans were Yankee fans.
  • WBAP sports guy Steve Lamb said today that he has no idea what "boom goes the dynamite" means.

172 comments:

Anonymous said...

You would have to be historically ignorant to say that George Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq without provocation. Have you never read the intelligence data from the Clinton administration? They alone are enough to take action...he was just preoccupied.

Anonymous said...

If I had a Penny for everytime my a/c went out...

Anonymous said...

Hey Barry,

Ask one of the pilots that was shot at in a post-treaty iraqi "no-fly zone" by the vanquished iraqi army how "unprovocative" they were.

some things are true whether you like them or not..

don't be such a boob.

mzchief said...

Judge Sonia Sotomayor did not graduate Harvard.

You might want to do a wee bit of investigation to realize there was plenty of provocation, such as Iraq's countless acts of defiance of the cease fire agreement after the U.S. forced Iraq to leave Kuwait, a country Iraq invaded, WITHOUT PROVOCATION, and plundered.

For your viewing pleasure and information you might want to watch the video and make note, beginning as early as 1998 and as late as 2003, that EVERY high powered DEMOCRAT from Madeliene Albright, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Harry Reed and Nancy Pelosi declared that Iraq was a threat and made apocalyptic statements about Iraq such as: "Iraq is the greatest security risk we and the world face. ~ Albright", "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. ~ Pelosi, "I can support the president. I can support an action against Saddam Hussein." ~ Sen. Clinton"

Do make note, CONGRESS APPROVED with bi-partisan vote of 77 of 100 senators and 296 of 435 House members to authorize the president to "use the armed forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq." You do remember that the POTUS can ONLY suggest it is up to CONGRESS to grant permission to ACT.

People need to stop lapping up the slop being dished out by mainstream media and do their own THINKING.

Anonymous said...

Decatur school board has changed the rules the young student gets to walk even though she didn't pass the TAKS test. Slap to those who worked to pass why bother.

Anonymous said...

and who gave north korea the nuke fuel?

Anonymous said...

Mzchief, those that supported the invasion of Iraq based their decision on the information provided to them by the Bush Administration. We all know now that that information was deliberately incorrect to gain Bush the ok to invade Iraq to revenge his father. As long as Saddam was in power, he kept Iran in check and occupied so that they were less of a threat to everyone else. Wake up and smell the roses!

mzchief said...

To anonymous 9:33....
AHEM!...Though it felt like FOREVER, Bush was not in office in 1998 when ALL of the CLINTON administration was telling everyone with ears that Saddam Hussein had WMDs....
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WATCH THE VIDEO so you will LEARN something.

Anonymous said...

Boo to Kevin Haney, Alan White, Chris Lowery, Ruby Quanz for buckling under and CHEERS to Jeff Alling, Joey Luttrell and Jerry Howard for standing up for the students who worked hard passed their taks test and played by the rules.

Anonymous said...

Oh, lawdy, now we're getting history lectures from mzchief. Stick with your vapid social observations and inane commentary about life in your little world, mz.

Anonymous said...

While the student DID not pass the state-mandated test, she did do what Decatur ISD required of her--earned enough credits to walk across the stage. This doesn't mean she "graduated" for she can't get into a college or even receive a diploma until the TAKS requirement is fulfilled. All she gets to do is walk with her class and be honored for satisfying local requirements. Have a heart.

This isn't a slap at those who passed, it's a compassionate act that helps with a the heartache she still has to endure.

Anonymous said...

9:13 It is not a slap to those who passed the TAKS. Remember those who are walking are still not receiving a diploma until they pass the test. They can still take it this summer.

9:51-There is no buckling involved. They were probably doing just what they thought was in the best interest of the kids. They are not giving a diploma to anyone who does not deserve it. Again, these kids will not receive one (a diploma) until they pass the test. If you were in education, you would understand how stupid these tests are anyway...there has even been discussion by the state to do away with them. I believe any child who has passed all their classes, met the attendance requirements, and has worked for four years for something deserves some kind of acknowledgement for all they have done.
I doubt very seriously that any of their classmates care that they are being allowed to walk. If they do, then they need a lesson from their parents in empathy. This is no contest...the ones that passed have their diplomas and the ones that didn't pass don't. End of story.

Anonymous said...

Do you think those board members that voted to let them walk would have done it if some poor, tatooed, pierced kid with a mohawk had been up in front of them asking to walk? Instead, a beautiful cheerleader, homecoming queen type asked and they said YES! Apparently high academic standards don't matter to those that voted yes. Barry...if a guy goes to law school, shows up most every day and is an average student but doesn't pass the bar exam...does he still get to call himself a lawyer?

mzchief said...

To anonymous 10:13....

Obviously, you lack the intellect to add anything of substance to the debate so you stick to the only game you have and continue with your lame personal attacks.
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Nice to see you are still around and me being me bugs the snot out of you. I hope you live a VERY long time and continue to be tortured by your jealousy of me.
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StillLOL@U*

Anonymous said...

That Bentley car is kind of ugly. I keep thinking that if I had one it would be hard to carry chicken wire and stuff to the north forty.

Anonymous said...

10:27
Those who didn't pass can't call themselves high school graduates.

Anonymous said...

The TAKS is B.S. and someone is making a bunch of money off of it.

Another political heep of crap! I would love to see what the scores would be for those legislators in Austin. But, they don't have the Kahuna's to take even part of it.

Sad part is, they have not a clue and they only legislate by heresay. I haven't seen one legislator visit a school yet to experience a day of TAKS much less the time spent preparing for it.

Private schools and home schooled students aren't required to take it and they seem to be doing pretty well, getting into college, graduating, becoming productive citizens, all without the flip'n TAKS test.

Then if the student doesn't pass it's the teachers fault. What a load of crap and I'm not even a teacher. Hey Austin, how about placing the blame where it belongs, at home with the parents.

Anonymous said...

Amen 10:25. Know of kids that make all A's and cannot pass parts of the stupid TAKS tests.TAKS should be banned. What ever happened to getting tested on what you had learned every six weeks in each subject and then mid-term and final tests.

Anonymous said...

10:25 - Buckling is exactly what it is. What about the kids last year that played by the rules and did not get to walk.

Anonymous said...

The DISD board has turned graduation into a charade! The audience will assume all who cross the stage graduated.

Classic Decatur elite, worried about appearances rather than substance.

It is a slap to those who endured and succeeded. Their accomplishments have been degraded.

I don't know of any certification that isn't earned by passing a test. From driver's license to law degree. Join the real world!

Those who haved passed from surrounding schools, get thee to Decatur High School fast. You can be treated as a graduate.

Oh Mighty Eagles, you often soar, but today your school board acted like ostriches.......

Anonymous said...

Decatur 101: Friends taking care of friends.

Anonymous said...

Based on looking at the TAKS test online, I would say it's a "thinking" test. Not sure I'd want to hire anyone who couldn't pass what the state has determined as MINIMUM requirements.

Eddie in Paradise said...

TAKS test may not be a good indication of learning skills, but my boys can pass it with very little problem. Anyone who cannot pass the taks either has a learning disability or has parents who think that they can leave their children's education totally in the hands of the school. Teachers in schools cannot teach a child everything they need to know.

moma247 said...

Does what anyone has to say about what the school board decided matter? No. The decision has been made and everyone's opinion about it is a moot point. Does it matter if I agree with it? No it doesn't, so why start a demeaning, name calling debate about it? Everyone has their own opinions about what happened, and believe it or not, most people will hold firmly to those opinions despite anything else. Huge time waste to even try.

Anonymous said...

MsChief may be abrasive, but she is correct on this history lesson.

When the going gets tough, most politicians will flip-flop. It's a popularity contest, like voting for student council.

Anonymous said...

Barry, set up one of them there polls and let us tax paying citizens vote on whether or not there should be TAKS test. We do pay school taxes you know and this would be a good way to voice our opinion, not that it would matter of course because we all aren't butt sniffing politicians. Come on, it'll be fun!! A poll, not the butt sniffing that is.

Anonymous said...

To walk or not to walk to change the requirements to accomadate the social needs of one student deminishes the true value of the graduation cerimony for everyone. What will the lesson learned be? If I don't meet the performance standards set by my company I will assure you they will not compromise. I will be in the ranks of the unemployeed with no one to blame but myself.Yes she meets the standards set by D.I.S.D., but not those of the state how far is that going to get her in life? to the county line and not much farther. I suspect. But thats OK as long as her social needs are met.

M-M said...

I don't think they should walk. The whole idea of the graduation ceremony is to honor those who have met all the requirements to receive a diploma. These students have not met all the requirements, so the board voted to change the policy. It's this pussy-type attitude where we can't have any losers in society and have anyone with hurt feelings etc. Despite the fact that by this time each of these seniors has had 5 attempts to pass any section of the test. Come on, if you can't pass a test (and I think passing is 62%) after 5 attempts there is something wrong with the kid. The board caved.

Anonymous said...

Your quandary regarding the nukes is easy: we are the good guys.

Anonymous said...

Moma247:

It does matter. The DISD board needs to be held accountable even if they aren't going to hold the kids accountable.

Anonymous said...

PS ude, you really cannot believe the "without provocation" thing right- just rattling peoples cages?

Because if you did well, that would make you retarded.

Anonymous said...

what ever happened to putting up a poll on smoking mj ?

Anonymous said...

Moma247 you don't need to be giving life lessons to everyone who makes a comment but should take your own advice and stop making comments no one wants to read and aren't going to change anything.

Anonymous said...

Sotomayor has diabetes so theres some hope before she can do too much damage.

Anonymous said...

10:47 Who cares what the audience thinks. Like someone else said, this is not a contest. Also, if you will look at other school districts around, Decatur is not the only one who has adopted this same policy.

10:53 You're right. Everyone needs to just get over it. It is done and whether you agree with it or not, you cannot change it for now.

Anonymous said...

Moma247:

Elections matter: Low turnout and 3 votes..........and look what we got.

Wake up DISD!

Anonymous said...

11:05 By looking at your spelling, I doubt you could have passed the TAKS. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

11:25:

You are comforting. That "everyone else is doing it, " is probably what got these students in trouble in the first place.

However 97% of the class of 09 stayed focused and passed their TAKS. I just imagine they tried that "everyone else is doing it" on their parents, but the parents didn't buy into and set about seing that their kids was prepared.

Anonymous said...

Update says that this ruling will allow at least 7 students to walk. Most of the comments just mention 1

Anonymous said...

I would like to take a poll on how many of these posters actually have kids graduating this year. If you were to take a poll on how many of the graduating seniors and their parents actually cared, I think you would find that the majority doesn't.

How many of the posters on here actually voted on the last school board election? huh?

If you didn't vote, then you have absolutely NO RIGHT to gripe about anything. It is usually those who don't exercise their right to vote that are the most negative and the biggest gripers.

Anonymous said...

11:25 grammar! It should be "their kids WERE prepared" or "their KID was prepared"...didn't you pass the TAKS?

Anonymous said...

I am hearing so many people say that TAKS really doesn't matter and all that is fine and good until the campus and school district doesn't reach recognized or exemplary. Then everyone just says Decatur sucks, they can only get acceptable.

The board just lowered the standards and when that happens, school and district teachers and administrators can no longer be held accountable to succeed. They have just had a tool taken from their toolbox.

Oh, and by the way, Decatur will eventually get field turf and an indoor practice facility, AND they will do so while maintaining an Acceptable rating.

Anonymous said...

You must be out of the loop if you're a professional sports guy and you don't know the origin of "boom goes the dynamite". I would at least try to find the answer before uttering that statement.

We need to stop acknowledging (and reporting on) the comments of TO. He has always been a media whore and he's not our problem anymore

Triple Fake Sports Panties

RPM said...

10:33- Kahuna's are surfers. Cajones are balls.

What is the bigger (hypothetical) problem:
a)Student passes all courses but fails TAKS and walks across the stage.

b)Homeschool students take Valedictorian and/or Salutatorian honors even tho they never spent a day in the classroom with the other students.

I've seen both happen here in the WC. I don't care about (a), but (b) is just plain wrong.

Why do homeschoolers get to participate in graduation at all?

M-M said...

Moma247 I'm not sure what you are trying to blabber about, but the great thing about this country, is that we all have our own opinions and we have the right to express them. It sounds like you are trying to say that if we have differing opinions of a decision made, that we ought to be silent, because if we voice that opinion it won't matter. Well, that's not the good ole American way and it's purely idiotic. And if this is a waste of time for you... bye bye, see you later.

mzchief is correct in her historical analysis.

Anonymous said...

Moms hot kid walks that why i voted yes


Double Fake Decatur Board Member

Anonymous said...

MZ Chief
I am anonymous 10:13 and it's obvious to me you couldn't pass the writing TAKS because of your problems with bold-face, capitalization, etc. The TAKS test isn't a cakewalk. Try it yourself. It isn't just a thinking test, but a test of knowledge and facts.
I'm not for graduating the kids who don't pass TAKS, I'm only wanting them to be recognized for going the whole 12 years, staying the course, and passing the local mandates. Surely there should be some recognition for that--they still can't graduate, go to college, etc. until the TAKS is passed.
Yes, my kids passed it the first time. They both have their masters now and one is even a DISD graduate. Imagine that--she was educated enough right here in Decatur to succeed. The other went to a school where everyone walked, regardless. Those that hadn't passed TAKS got certificates of attendance. That's not exactly the same as a diploma.

Anonymous said...

Decatur ISD is now an embarrassing place to work for! Shame on the school board for caving in to the social elite! Is no one held accountable for their actions anymore? Shame on the parents for not teaching their daughter better. You didn't pass, you don't walk that are the rules. Period.

Message to out-of towners: Come to Decatur ISD where high standards are out the door and ANYONE can walk(well...as long as you are rich AND a cheerleader AND a good crier)!

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

Anonymous said...

1:00 What is embarrassing is that it seems that every one who is disgruntled by the whole policy change thing can't speak or write correctly. You say you are an employee of DISD. I sure hope you are not a teacher!

By the way, she is not a cheerleader and is not rich. She may be a good crier (don't know, I wasn't there, therefore I can't speak on the matter). Please get yourself informed before you write something on here.

Anonymous said...

If you cannot pass the TAKS you are one dumb ass. That test is a joke.

Sometimes its just best to realize early on that they will dig ditches.

Anonymous said...

This "walking" is about embarassment and appearances and what we are willing to do to avoid/enhance it.

We have our answer. Responsible parenting could have avoided the whole situation.

My respect goes to those families in past years who dealt with the same problem without all the drama.
I'll bet they picked their kids up, dusted them off, and sent them on. And they loved their kids just as much.

Kids cry. Mommas get hysterical. But how can you explain the school board?

mzchief said...

To anonymous 12:56....
Obviously, you STILL lack enough intelligence to debate me on facts and are true to form thus, can be relied on to resort to personal attacks.
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This is a BLOG and clearly it is not required and/or necessary for ANYONE to use proper grammar, punctuation and/or spelling to get across the intent of their comment. I use BOLD/CAPITALIZED font and punctuation for emphasis and to piss of whiners like you.
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Since I have managed to TWICE graduate Harvard University, yes, that Harvard, and homeschooled a son who made a 1550 on his SAT, when a perfect score was 1600, there really is NO need for you to concern yourself with my ability to pass a TAKS test.
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*StillLOL@U*.

It TRULY is wonderful to be ME.
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*SMuG GRiN*

A law school graduate who hasn't passed the Bar yet. said...

To the commenter who asked about the law student who doesn't pass the Bar Exam:

I believe the situation with the Bar Exam is distinguishable from the TAKS test. Most of the time, a law student graduates from law school and then takes the Bar Exam. I don't believe the student can call themselves a lawyer until they pass the Bar Exam and get liscensed by the State, but they do have a law degree.

A high school student can not graduate from high school without passing the TAKS. A law student can graduate from law school without passing the Bar Exam.

I personally don't think a student should participate in graduation ceremonies without meeting all of the requirements of receiving the diploma/degree. The State of Texas has made passing the TAKS a requirement, therefore these students should walk. It may not be fair, but nothing in this world is fair.

Anonymous said...

"What ever happened to getting tested on what you had learned every six weeks in each subject and then mid-term and final tests."

Hello? the point of the TAKS test is to lend credibility to the grades HS students in Texas receive. Case in point: the young lady mentioned in these posts today. She apparently received passing grades in her classes but can't pass the TAKS, for which students are given FIVE chances to pass.

Allowing someone to walk the stage at a GRADUATION when they haven't GRADUATED is stupid. I repeat - it is no accomplishment at all to pass classes at Decatur HS without some indication that learning actually took place.

As for TAKS testing being a bad idea, New York state has been requiring HS students to pass tests for over one hundred and thirty years. I don't hear them whining....probably because they think HS = education, not sports.

Anonymous said...

Just like it is not fair to all the others that came before that did not get to walk. You're right, life is not fair. Isn't that the arguement that everyone is giving regarding the seven students this year? This year they will walk and everyone just needs to get over it.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what her underarms smell like.

Anonymous said...

Somebody gotta dig those ditches.
Lots of college grads this year will be glad to dig ditches, just to have a little spending money.

Anonymous said...

RPM, A home schooled student gets to participate in graduation I think because his or her parents pay school taxes.

Anonymous said...

It is amusing one writer just wants those embarassed by the DISD board "to get over it."

Wouldn't that have been good advice for this writer to have given a certain Mom when she got her child's TAKS scores.

Anonymous said...

I believe that the students who don't pass the TAKS before graduation have another opportunity to take it during the summer.

Anonymous said...

What is so embarassing about not passing a test? I've gone to school my 13 years, made straight A's and still can't pass the TAKS test. My parent's have supported me, no drugs or booze, in bed by 10 everynight. Still I can't pass the TAKS test. Guess I will just take a GED and get on with my life.

Anonymous said...

1:12 - I am an educator. I am just appalled at the slap in the face to the other students who have not passed the test and did not get to walk. DISD is all about appearances.

Propagandist said...

Rather than debating whether it's fair or not for a kid who can't pass the TAKS test to get to wear a robe and hang out with their buddies at commencement I'd be wanting someone to explain to me how a "smart kid" can pass all required course work and not be able to pass the TAKS test. Either the kid cheated their way through school, got a free pass from teachers or the teachers are not teaching. Since most of the kids attending commencement passed the test it seems the "smart kid" slid through classes and it's come to bite her in the arse. Just because a handful of kids didn't meet the state standards to graduate high school maybe those kids shouldn't be denied the right to pick up their "certificate of attendance" but to make sure it isn't assumed the flunk outs actually graduated they shouldn't get to wear the traditional cap and gown worn by graduates who will receive a diploma.

Y'all do know that a high school diploma isn't worth squat these days and crap like whats being pulled by the DISD school board makes a DISD high school diploma worth even less.

Anonymous said...

We home schooled our kid and he should be out of prison in a few years.

moma247 said...

Does anybody else feel that these kids that are now going to be allowed to walk are going to get a good kick in the ass when it comes to the real world? Unfortunately, there are many things that happen to where if you don't meet certain requirements, too bad. Everything follows cause and affect.

Anonymous said...

The TAKS test are for Dum Assis who will never amount to nothin.

Anonymous said...

It's unfair to assume that because a kid passed all the high school classes but didn't pass TAKS cheated or had teachers slide them by. It is possible to do all the work, but not be able to pass the test as some people just can't take tests. Or maybe there is just one part of the test that the student failed. We don't know any of this, so don't assume that the student didn't try hard enough or was rich or anything else. There are many circumstances involved and we just don't know them all.
I have taught in this district and most of the teachers are fair and very qualified, but mostly they are like the rest of Texas teachers--frustrated--frustrated that one test can mean so much.

Anonymous said...

10:49 - That is exactly right!!! Friends taking care of Friends.

Anonymous said...

moma247, the girl that is finally allowed to walk has overcome MAJOR obsticle's (sp) in her life. She, my dear is a true surviver. She will go far in life, trust me.

One test does not prove one's worth in society.

She deserves to walk.

Both of my children passed the TAKS with flying colors. One is very successful, the other, at 22 is still struggling to find her way!

The TAKS test is a thorn in teacher's and student's sides. Ask any educator or student.

Anonymous said...

Taks tests are tricky so I hear and I'm so tired of the teachers having to teach to the TAKS test. Let's get back to teachers teaching the subjects kids are supposed to learn and having tests at the end of 6 weeks. I thought the TAKS test was going to be done away with in a couple of years. Lets get back to the old ways.

Anonymous said...

How come nothing has ever been said about the 20+DHS kids that showed up drunk at prom and 1 got arrested? Is it because they were teacher/coach's kids?

Anonymous said...

disd just proved that if you are the popular and want things your way you can have it i doubt if this lady was a kid who didnt win homecomming queen and other titles if they would have even heard the case. i hope that students who didnot get to walk from years past talk to thier lawyers. i dont agree with the taks test but the rules were there in black in white and had this young lady buckled down and studied hard i am sure that she could have passed it but instead she choose to keep a busy social life and her parents did not stop this. if i hadnt passed somthing when i was in high school my parents would not let me run around and do all these activities they would have made sure that i worked hard and passed the test or course but then agian i wasnt one of the popular kids so i knew i had to work hard and follow all the rules. but then agian this isnt the first time either i remember a football player who before he was 17 years old had to hasve an interlock and they let him play ball so why should we be suprised at this move today

Anonymous said...

BARRY,

Hey dirtbag.....the first cowboys superbowl WAS NOT in 1993. You have offended the old folks!

Anonymous said...

Just think about life without the TAKS test...hmmmmm....football would be KING and academics would just be in the way. And all those kids who didn't play sports wouldn't have any opportunity to work hard and achieve a goal.

Hhmmmmm......wait, that sounds almost the way we are now, except, TAKS seems to keep us focused on academic success, along with extracurricular success.

I wonder what life in Texas would be like without the TAKS. Boy, the way things are run now anyway, not much school work would get done.

I don't like the way TAKS has stressed kids, teachers and administrators, but it least it has everyone focused on the right thing. I want my kid to be successful academically and if the test proves it then I am getting my money's worth.

moma247 said...

4:38, I sincerely hope this girl that you are speaking of does go far in her life. And I agree that the TAKS should go. But, it is around and therefore you have to work with what you have. These kids that are getting to walk despite not meeting requirements are in for a surprise when they go to finance something and their credit score is a few points off, or they can't pay a bill because they're short a few bucks. They're not always going to get what they want because someone feels sorry for them. Unfortunately, not everything in life is overseen by the aww- shucks-lets-not-worry-about-what's-required DISD school board.

Anonymous said...

I am a Texas educator, and I do not have a problem with TAKS testing. I do NOT teach to the test; I teach and the test takes care of itself.

In my school this year (3,000+ students) we made a concerted effort to reach the seniors who were in danger of missing graduation due to TAKS. EVERY senior passed the required tests. Many of them faced extreme difficulty in life-but they overcame their issues.

TAKS will go away, but it will be replaced by another state mandated test.

Those upset by the DISD board decision, jut wait. In a year or two teachers will be screaming about the slackers who didn't put in the effort to pass TAKS but will get to walk.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't one of the board members that voted yes have a child that is a member of this senior class?

Anonymous said...

The precedent the DISD just set with the decision is going to haunt them.

Big time.

How big a number will the "Graduate-Lite" percentage of seniors needing TAKS do overs will get to the point of embarrassment.

And what do the other county schools do to handle this?

If the girl in question was so special she got a "lightning quick" Board decision, I am sure she also was special enough to get enough tutoring to pass the test in the first place.

We continue to spiral further downward into a "no-consequences-we-all-are-winners" society.

Anonymous said...

Single dumbest running argument on the blog, ever.

3:48--------
best comment of all and I didn't even read most of the others.

Can we argue about marijuana again now?

Anonymous said...

Oh no when this student gets to walk they will change the rule back. Same old bs

Anonymous said...

5:27PM

What is an interlock?

Anonymous said...

The TAKS test is as flawed as some of the teachers that we have in place to teach the skills necessary to pass that test. With the no-walk policy, you might as well give the kids the TAKS test at the beginning of the year and tell them they don't have to come to school if they pass...ultimately, anything else they do in the classroom doesn't matter...it's all about the test, a fact that school board members and administrators will vehemently deny but we all know that is a croc of crap. Also, let's call the instructors on the carpet that have taught (or are supposed to teach) the students that have failed the exit level test. Let's take a look at the instructors those student have on their transcripts. I bet you will find coaches that use student aides, who in turn, grade and enter the grades in the computer for said coaches. And the teacher/coach never knows that the student is struggling, not really. Nor do the parents because eventually the teacher/coach takes a look at the averages, says "oopps" and rounds a few grades up to avoid angry phone calls. How do I know this? I have substituted and seen this first hand.

Take a look at the job vacancies at Decatur High School. Let's see in August how many of those vacancies are filled by coaches.

That girl worked her butt off all during high school to pass those test as have many other students. There are some great Science and Math teachers at DHS but there are many that simply have their name on a classroom roll so they may coach and that is a crying shame. Until that problem is fixed, don't penalize these students because they can't pass a truly worthless test to begin with.

Oh, and by the way, the mohawk kid with the tats...he rarely shows up to class, the beautiful homecoming queen (your stereotypes suck, by the way) has a stellar attendance record.

Anonymous said...

I am a teacher. I teach a core class. There are so many flaws in the way we approach this test, it would blow your mind! Until school districts quit worshipping the athletic department, the problem will not go away.

Anonymous said...

8:21 pm- You have left off the fact that it does not matter what kind of instructors DHS has. It is up to the student to make sure that they meet the requirement to pass because in the end it is the student that has to face the consequences. I agree with you that Decatur is sub - par as far as instructors go however, the student is the one to pay the consequences. That is life. Further, if the State of Texas says that it is important to pass their minimum requirements then it is not a worthless test. You are obviously a person who wishes to argue with authority. Those rules are set in place for a reason whether or not you feel that they are important or not.

In the end it is the student that pays the price for the flaws in the system. Therefore, it is the student's responsibility to see to it that they do not end up in that situation.

Anonymous said...

8:21 p.m. who are you to say that is a worthless test. What do you know? Please tell me what is your expertise? That is stupid to say it is a worthless test. It is a minimum requirement. GET REAL!!!! UMMMM seems to me that if the State of Texas says it is required it must be important. You are what is wrong with society. NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

8:21 pm- you are clueless!!!!

Anonymous said...

You people are soooo missing the point! TAKS has had us all "mesmerized" for years. Long ago, way back in the 70s and 80s, students were actually allowed to not only go through graduation ceremonies, but also receive diplomas just because they passed their classes and earned the required credits necessary to graduate. I'd even bet that most of you on this blog graduated under similar requirements. Then comes TEAMS, then TAAS, then TAKS....and the state says educators are not doing their jobs and the state must give a test to PROVE that the students are mastering the skills necessary. Gee, isn't that government taking control?? So, we all fall into line....forgetting what these kids go through, the stress involved, etc. Kids? KIDS? Yep, these people are children and in the world today, deciding whether to allow a child to wear a cap and gown, walk with their classmates and get a piece of paper with them has turned into a HUGE debate? Insane! GRADUATION means you have a diploma. Period. One can walk,talk, dress, impress, but unless you have a DIPLOMA in your hand, you are NOT a graduate! What is wrong with adults who timidly "fall in line" to these ridiculous gov't requirements and give absolutely no thought to what is BEST for the kids! I'm very happy to see that we have some board members who have COMMON SENSE, can think for themselves and who will do what is BEST for the kids! THANK YOU to those who voted to rescend this ridiculous "law" that kids cannot walk with their classmates if they don't pass all of the stupid TAKS test!
I just wonder what is going to happen in the future when TAKS is no longer..... are all those who were not allowed to walk going to be called back by the school, just to be told, "oh my, you have completed all of your class credits for high school, and now the state has done away with the TAKS requirement, so why don't you all come back and we can have a little graduation ceremony and give you all your diplomas now!" ???
I really worry about our society, about local townsfolk who will follow blindly and not stand for what is right! Those of you on the board who voted to stay with the status quo, Luttrell, Howard, Alling....you have no common sense. You have no backbone and cannot stand to say "we will do what is best for our kids in this short period of their LIFE!" Without a diploma, these kids are no better than dropouts and will be treated as such by employers. At least give them the short, itty bitty honor of walking in cap and gown with their classmates for a job completed, as far as high school credits go.
THANK YOU again, board members who have heart, common sense, a sense of community responsibility and intelligence enough to realize this "not letting them walk" has been WRONG from the get-go!! FINALLY, FINALLY!!
How much you want to bet that other schools will follow suit next year? Watch and see!

Anonymous said...

9:22, so I guess you believe EVERYTHING the state of Texas "says" is important????? hahaaaa... what a dumba++ you are!

Anonymous said...

I always knew Alling was in Gindt's hippocket, but I guess he needs to move over because Luttrell and Howard are in there now too. SAD! How quickly you two forget why the PEOPLE voted you onto the board! How quickly you were sucked into the vaccuum of "administrative reasoning."

Anonymous said...

I guess the TAKS is a stupid pointless test if you or your kinfolk are too stupid to be able to pass the test.

Here's something some of you people griping about the TAKS should realize, everyone has to jump through hoops to get what they want in life and being able to pass a high school exit exam is one of the easiest and more relevant of the hoops.

Anonymous said...

Barry,

I totally agree with you on the Goo Goo Dolls. They are amazing! I've actually seen them twice in concert and Johnny Rzeznik (the lead singer) really does sound just like the CD in real life. You should go see them next time they're in town. They WILL NOT disappoint.

Anonymous said...

oh my goodness! TAKS has everybody upset! Good!

If you're an educator you know what I mean. If your not... shut the hell up!

You have no idea what educator's and students endure because of this ridiculous test!

There, done, said my peace, now let's all change the subject and go back to looking at Barry's pics of boobs.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is how clueless and easily led some of you are. I am not anti-authority. I'd just like to see people do a little critical thinking. The TAKS test certainly doesn't encourage such. Did you learn in your social studies class that sometimes government needs to be questioned? If you want to be led around by the nose, then move to a socialist country. And trust me, I am an expert when it comes to that test. I know the ins, outs, and so many other things about that test that could make you pee your pants. That test is detrimental; it takes away any critical thinking skills and giftedness that exists in young minds and it is driving the best teachers into non-educational careers by the truckloads. You should not question the students that fail, you should question the test, the coaches that teach so they may simply coach that are in charge of instructing the students, and your state representative, Phil King (who, by the way, homeschooled all of his children). While the test is a basic skills test, students must be instructed on how to prepare for that test. And all of you jerks that want to belittle the kiddos that can't pass it, I challenge you to go to the TEA website and take the 11th grade exit Math and Science portions. My guess is that most of you won't feel so elite; you might even have some empathy for the poor kids that have to deal with this crap.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who uses the word "kinfolk" loses me at the mention of such. OMG!

Anonymous said...

To 9:16:

Essentially, you think teachers are useless. Students should be able to show up and pass this test, and forgo anything otherwise that takes place in a classroom. Why don't we just have students teach themselves? Right, yep, a good one.

What a dumbarse!

Anonymous said...

When my kid gets to his senior year, he will have not trouble with the TAKS test. He already knows all about them and the different types. Upholstery, Thumb, Carpet, Decorative, Cheese Cloth, and Common in all lengths.

Anonymous said...

10:03 pm - No I am not a dumb ass!!! I am the person that works hard and understands that if the State says that I have to meet certain requirements then I work to meet them. I do not change the rules as I go and raise hell if I do not get my way.

11:00 p.m. - It seems to me that most of the kids can pass the TAKS test. It seems to me that the school board is catering to the 7. Seems to me that the board should cater to the majority who passed. Those who sacrificed fun should be rewarded not those who thumbed their noses.

Anonymous said...

Whats up with the Decatur School system. Its true, there are many coaches that teach these core classes. If they are so important, then why isnt the admin of the school trying to fill these positions with someone who is an expert on these subjects rather the the teacher who is writing x's and o's on their dry erase board while the students are watching a movie. DHS will be losing a teacher who my daughter absolutely thinks the world of. I now question if DHS is losing another great teacher because of the failed system in which they are forced to work in or is it because of other reasons. I hope it is the latter.

Anonymous said...

10:00 p.m. - Alling, Howard, and Luttrell, when all of this is over and everyone realizes what a mistake this was you will be the board members that are still standing. Thanks for not caving in to the Decatur 101.

Anonymous said...

10:03 - DUHHHHH - uh yea. Seems to me the State of Texas is in charge. Seems to me that is important.

Anonymous said...

Jesse Ventura kicking Hannity Ass with the truth.

http://vodpod.com/watch/1636649-jesse-ventura-the-911-commission-didnt-investigate-nothing

Anonymous said...

12:40, you are the exact example of someone who has absolutely NO critical thinking skills. Follow along now, sheepy sheepy. baaaa...baaaaa

Anonymous said...

10:00 - They may walk - they still don't have a DIPLOMA.
How do you not get that?
The 7 will be walking across the stage, but nothing essential has changed; they will not be getting a diploma until they pass all of TAKS.

Does this not seem ridiculously funny? OK, little darlings - walk across the stage, have fun at graduation - even though you are not GRADUATING - we're just happy you got to put on that cap and gown and act like you are....

I did vote this election and I wish I could take my vote back. THis is strictly a good-ole-boy decision that has put DISD back to the dark ages. I can just hear their reasoning - "let the pretty little thing walk if she wants to, because we know and like that family and , and we aren't here to hold up any educational standards, are we? Nah!"

Truly - this vote is actually hilarious. You just have to laugh.
Education - 0
Nonsense - 10
It plays like a Joseph Heller novel.

Anonymous said...

5:59, you obviously haven't grown into any common sense yet. Maybe you never will. If you don't understand the importance in a child's life, of taking part in a ceremony that they only get one shot at, then you never will. Oh, unless you have a child of your own that has to face it. Schools all across the state have changed their ridiculous policy and have allowed "the walk." Thank God, there are those who "understand!"
AND, let this be a lesson to those who dress like thugs, who flash tatoos, baggy pants or trashy mini skirts; to those who don't understand "dress for success." YES, the world WILL cater to those whose appearances are the more professional. Looking like a tramp will get you treated like a tramp, period. It's life!
By the way, DO all who walk get handed a diploma AT THE CEREMONY? hmmmm? Better check on that 5:59, because if they don't, then I guess everyone is wasting their time with such an absurd tradition, according to your way of "thinking."

Anonymous said...

Ok, I have to say something now. Do you people realize how much money the drug companies have made off the TAKS test?????? I am an elementary school teacher and for YEARS I have witnessed parents who "feel she/he will never pass the taks test" if they don't put them on some kind of ADD/ADHD drug! These are babies and we are all OK with DRUGGING them to pass a TEST? That is a crime of child abuse all by itself! Maybe the parents of this young lady just didn't drug their daughter enough! Shame on them!!! Time to wake up, people and SEE what is happening to our children. Happy that this group of people started this ball rolling. Congratulations to you and to those board members who see the real light!

Anonymous said...

to those who say that this girl worked hard never drove around town on a friday or saturday night to see her out parting it up with her friends in her fancy red b.m.w.. when you are not passing somthing like this test that detrmines wether you can graduate or not then any extra time should be spent studying to pass this test. i also read that she was a straight b student who was an athlete i wonder since she could not pass the test wether those b's were given not earned. i hope that this youn girl doesnt get the idea that because she is popular and can get whatever she wants form disd that when she goes off to college assumong she can pass this test that the college will not care how popular she is wnd will give her no special treatment when she screws up.

Anonymous said...

to the disd school board thank you to those who voted agianst this change atleast yall arew willing to stand up and do your elected jobs properly. to those who voted for well we know who your friends with and yall should be voted out this next election you who voted for looked at how this would effect the popular girl and not how it would effect the district as a whole remembewr as a school board member you must not look at just the popular kid but every child and how your vote effects them. by the way to those of you who voted for this had this been an unpopular kid would you have even considered this?

Anonymous said...

Most miss the point. You play the game, whatever it is by the rules that are in effect at the time it starts you don't change them in the last quarter.you change them before the next game starts.
Another point to ponder how is it that students can pass DISD tests in the same subject matter and not be able to pass a state test??

Anonymous said...

11:22 - I used the term "kinfolk" for the purpose of encouraging the reader to draw the conclusion that anyone incapable of passing a high school exit exam must be fairly backwoods perhaps even intellectually challenged as a result of inbreeding. Surely, you're familiar with backwoods and inbreeding.


I keep forgetting that subtlety is lost on many of you folks who read this blog especially those who use cliched acronyms such as; OMG, WTF, GTFO and GFY.


backwoods: a remote or culturally backward area.

moma247 said...

6:40, you're right to an extent about "dressing for success". Also a lesson to be learned is that if you're pretty and cute enough, nothing else matters because you'll get what you're wanting. Don't agree with it, but it's helped me out a couple times.

Anonymous said...

My nephew who was supposed to have graduated from Decatur High School in 2008 was unable to walk across the stage at the Decatur High School Commencement. He went to school from Kindergarten to 12th grade at Decatur. He received all year perfect attendance EVERY YEAR except 2 years and although he struggled tremendously with Math, he never failed to where he had to retake the class. The TAKS test every year was difficult for him. By his Senior year, he had passed all his TAKS test except Math and so we prayed and prayed that he would pass it so he could graduate. When the results came in, he had missed the passing mark by 3 points. This is a kid that never got in trouble and went to school all the time but was informed that since he didn’t pass his Math TAKS test, he wouldn’t be able to participate in the Graduation Ceremony or receive his Diploma. He had already been accepted into a college by this time, so he was afraid he wouldn’t be able to attend after all.

He ended up doing a years worth of work at a private school and received his diploma and we had a special graduation party for him and he wore his cap and gown.



So, my feeling is that if students don’t try hard and get tutors like my nephew did and they don’t show up for school all the time, then maybe they shouldn’t walk across the stage. But for those that work their tail off and their parents help them thru the struggle, then they should be able to walk across and receive a little glory for the hard work.


And for Eddie in Paradise, I do hope your boys pass the TAKS test when they get to High School, but until you have walked the shoes of a parent that has supported their child through the struggle of not passing just one test, don't be such a hard a**

Anonymous said...

The DISD school board made a decision based soley on "friendship" They ignored the recommendation of their high school principal. They never considered the consequences of their action beyond relieving the pain of "one of theirs." Next year's juniors have no reason to take the test seriously.

Too many of the DISD board are on the board only to support athletics, so they see no import to decisions they make about academics.

I too wish I had my vote back.

Anonymous said...

There are three things that some of you are forgetting.
1. The TAKS IS NOT a good evaluation of what the child has learned in high school. You can have a kid go through school as a straight A student, and still not be capable of passing the TAKS. It could be because the kid just stinks at tests, or it may be because the teacher didn't focus on just the TAKS info and actually taught them other lessons they can actually use in life.
2. The child met the requirements of DHS. She paid all her dues, including getting extra help to try to pass the test which she failed by one question from what I am told. So she retakes it this summer to get the real thing. To not allow her to walk with her peers after she met the same requirements that the SCHOOL mandates is telling these kids that struggle, why try at all. It's not a slap to "the others that worked hard to pass the TAKS". I assure you, she tried just as hard if not harder! She and others could have taken an easier way out and pushed for special modifications.
3. So please, get off of blaming the kids, and posting that she is getting special treatment because of who she is. Guaranteed, I bet none of you bloggers had a kid that struggled, but chose to take the high path anyway. If you did, you would have a different perspective.

Anonymous said...

"Next year's juniors have no reason to take the test seriously."

OH, I guess getting a DIPLOMA isn't important.

Some of you people astound me.

Anonymous said...

8:31 LMFAO! I know what you mean cuz...LOL!

Anonymous said...

I applaud Howard, Alling and Luttrull. These gentleman are trying their best to uphold the credibility of my alma mater. What happen to the days of playing by the rules set in front of you? I agree 100 percent that the TAKS test has its problems. If the energy put in to circumventing the problem was put into correcting the issues with the test we could be miles ahead of where we are now. If all these teachers and parents have such a passion and conviction for the wellbeing of the students why don't they organize and go to Austin. Quit harassing the messenger. Everyone keeps screaming accountability, so lets put the accountability on Austin.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line, Haney and Co dumped the rules along with academic standards to help a longtime family friend. In the process kids who failed more than one section of the TAKS by far more than 1 question will appear to have graduated when the ceremoney is held.

I understand the child's disappointment, but if anyone shares most the the blame it is the child and her parents.

It appears this is their fundamental philosphy in child rearing: if child cries, rearrange the world till it stops crying.

Anonymous said...

thank you DISD board. you took the pressure off chico(for now, anyway)

Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering when the state is going to instill a test for college graduates. Hey, I mean, they only have their college credits earned and they get to participate in a graduation ceremony. Maybe it's time to have a series of tests they must pass to make sure their education is really on the up and up. Can't believe they can get a degree AND walk during graduation if they haven't passed a state mandated TEST!!! come on - - high school graduates sure have to!


can you see the absurdity?

Anonymous said...

1:38 AMEN! Somebody please tell me what is the difference?

Anonymous said...

"I'm just wondering when the state is going to instill a test for college graduates. Can't believe they can get a degree AND walk during graduation if they haven't passed a state mandated TEST!!! come on - - high school graduates sure have to!"

I can't believe how upset people are over a dumb test. Let's list some of the licenses in Texas that require test:

Lawyer
Doctor
Nurse
CPA
Dentist
Dental Hygenist
Chiropractor

Gee, all people who have a degree in their field, AND STILL HAVE TO PASS A TEST.

I have to pass a test to buy certain herbicides for my pasture!

Anonymous said...

2:30 Yes, they do have to pass a test to be certified in those certain fields, but they did not have to pass a test to graduate!

Anonymous said...

I think this thread needs to stop. It's gettin' old!

Anonymous said...

I just received my degree from DBU in december and was required to pass a comprensive test over all my major classes prior to walking.

In addition to it being a state law you must pass TAKS to graduate. I understood now they must change the speaches and student body presentation which normally states "I present to you the class of 2009 who have met all the requirements for graduations.

Remember they only had 5 chances to pass the test so why wouldn't they pass it next time?

Anonymous said...

to 903am. FYI- The principal at DHS has never made a decision in his life. He sure as heck didnt pull the trigger on this deal. This comes from the super. of DISD.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 9:03 you are incorrect. It was DISD administration's recommendation to leave the policy as it was. The Superintendent stated this position to the board and the board chose to go against the recommendation.

Anonymous said...

7:11 AM--Why are you blaming the drug companies. I dont think that you can get these medications from a drug company? The last time I checked they have to be evaluated by a physician. Then get a prescription! How about blaming the doctors. How about blaming your boss, who drills their little asses ever single day with worksheets and busy schedules. Some of these kids have to take meds to put keep up with the BS that adminsitrators pile on these kids so they can get their little bonus or gold star on their performance appraisal. How about forgetting about drug companies and your principals performance appraisal and start allowing kids to be kids again.
PS--When a principal uses painting or shaving their hair as blackmail to the students for beating out the other elementary school on taks scores is ridiculous. I hope you wear your gold star with pride, because kids having to take meds to keep up with your teks/taks schedule sucks!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Sorry! That comment should have been directed at 4:17!

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry 4:31....someone must have knocked on your insane asylum door. Go back to sleep now. Your lunacy really shows in your post. Kind of scary.

Maybe you didn't get the point from 7:11's post that DRUGS ARE BAD and it is ridiculous to give them to kids JUST SO they can pass that blooming test?

Nitey nite now.......all is well, all is well, all is well. Close that door.

Anonymous said...

There's even an AIDS test that Gays take so nobody's immune.

Anonymous said...

4:01, now enlighten us.....is DBU (Dallas Baptist University) a state university or a private university?

I'm also wondering how you managed to pass when you can't even spell SPEECHES. And by the way, it is usually just "...present the class of (insert year)." That's it.

Anonymous said...

and... COMPREHENSIVE....December... oh hell 4:01, if your post is an example of your intelligence, then DBU sucks! There's too much wrong with it to even keep analyzing!

Anonymous said...

You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. It is as simple as that. You can start a new policy for entering freshman next year but to change rules in the last few minutes of the game cuz we dont like the turnout is shameful.

It is still who you know & not what you know in Decatur that counts. Not alot has changed over the years has it?

I am sure our drunk prom seniors are thrilled that the attention & spotlight got off of them. Again many still not accountable for their actions AND they will raise the next generation!

Anonymous said...

451p you need to get your facts straight. many of these kids have problems outside of the classroom. Others need them to function socially and academically. you cant buy these drugs at wal-mart. you have to have a prescription

Anonymous said...

Hey 5:00 YEP i learn't gud from dbu did i;

LOL at least I can laugh at myself.

Anonymous said...

The reason we have TAKS is because in the state of texas kids were being socially promoted year after year. Texas graduated students who couldn't read. Our children will be competing with children from other countries for jobs so minimum competency tests seemed the best way to start and to hold the schools accountable. When TAAS test first came out they made it clear it was only to hold the school accountable. Students would not be penalized in any way. I remember this because I struggled as a child in elementary school but went on to do very well later in high school & college. I am leary of anything that "labels" children too early on.

Now here we are & the kids are left holding the bag.

So I am not pro TAKS test but I dont like that we are changing the rules because someone we like got caught on the wrong side of them.

The School board is supposed to do what is best for the school as a whole and for all students not just the ones who have been getting all of the attention anyway.

Also, if she was allowed to retake 4 or 5 times alreay...How in world can you suggest with confidence that this summer she will pass it.

She needs to retake math. Period.

She will then graduate with the class of 2010...just like the other children who are held back cuz they need extra time to master the coursework.

This is simple and the school board should not have let emotions get in the way of doing their job.

Anonymous said...

You can dress this pig anyway you want, but it will still be a pig.

Haney and Co went against administration's recommendation, and other board member's concerns.

The only rationale is they wanted this kid to quit crying. She is one of theirs!!!!!!!!!!!

And with it went academic standards, rules of professionalism, and ethics.

Even knowing the HS staff will have an even more difficult time with next year's juniors, because there is less reason to pass. Haney and Co, didn't care what they were doing to the HS staff.
They wanted that kid to stop crying.

Even knowing they were opening the gate to others who failed multiple portions of the TAKS and probably with wider margin. Haney and Co didn't care, they just wanted that kid to stop crying.

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight... you actually take the Exit TAKS test in 11th Grade. Not your senior year. And you get 5 chances to take the test?

And you still cannot pass it while maintaining a B average or better?

Nope... wouldn't let you walk.

Anonymous said...

6:51 Like another poster pointed out...do you really think that the Jr.'s are going to be less motivated next year to pass the TAKS? Is not getting a DIPLOMA not enough motivation? Everyone seems to forget that just because you walk across the stage does not mean that you have received your diploma until you pass.

Anonymous said...

5:40 If something is broke, why would you wait 3 years to fix it?

Anonymous said...

Sounds like there are alot of people posting on this that are simply jealous of the kind of attention this student receives...I am not from Decatur nor am I related to anyone from Decatur but damn, I get tire of that "who ya related to" crap/argument. Get over it, people. Especially you old Decaturites...Decatur isn't as inbred as you think it is anymore. New people have moved in.

Anonymous said...

5:50, I never said there didn't have to be a prescription. I simply said drug companies are making all kinds of money. Doctors get DRUGS from drug companies, or are you so strung out on drugs yourself that you don't get that connection. Parents are worried their kids cannot concentrate enough to pass TAKS, even when the kids are just little bitty, and DOCTORS prescribe DRUGS for these kids. The kids usually take them all the way through their school careers. I'm saying it is ASHAME that a TEST given throughout the school year has prompted so many parents to be ready to put their kids on drugs (prescription drugs, yes) just to insure they will pass this test! Now if you don't follow what I'm saying and have been saying all along about this, then you're toooo out of touch, or too very sensitive about this issue, probably because your kid is on these "focus enhancement" drugs and has been for years and now your defensive. If your kid, or anyone else's is taking prescription drugs for "other problems not associated with the test"....FINE!! I didn't even go there, you did! I'm STILL talking about drugging kids in order to help them pass a freakin' test that shouldn't even be a concern for them. Got it now?

im better than barbie said...

since i got my way with the school board i think i will break all the rules speed down the roads run stop signs and red lights i might even rob a bank because i know that i am the homecomming queen and i can do what ever i want and you simple common people cant do anything to me what the hell i am better than barbie eat your hearts out because i am loving every moment of it.

ms h. martin

Anonymous said...

947p--I hope you are not a teacher. Do you think that a parent can walk into an office and say my kid cant pass a test give him/her a prescription for adhd. Do you think you can walk into an oncologists office and say I have cancer, give me chemo? Hell NO!! All patients have to go through an evaluation with their physician and a liscened therapist. Then they get a prescription from a dr. and a pharmacist gives them the medication. These meds are a controlled substance, therefore, the dr gives them nothing, nada, just a piece a paper called a prescription. No, I do not have a child on these meds, I am a physician who treats many of these kids. Many of them come into my office because the teachers tell the parents to bring them in for an evaluation because they can not pass the taks benchmarks. Next time you see your dr, I challenge you to say this, "Dr., I have severe pain in my back, give me some hydrocodone." Please make sure you come back to this blog and let me know what kind of response you get from your doctor.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should develop a test for the teachers to see if they are competent to do their job every year. We can give them their paycheck even if they don't pass, we just won't sign it. Someone has to be accountable!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What happen to the no pass no play. Why was this girl even playing sports of participating in plays if she had not passed the TAKS? So, will they walk across the stage and get a empty folder or will they not get handed anything to let the whole world know? Should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

8:18PM

Nothing is broke. That is the point. We all just happen to like one of the people caught on the wrong side of this. If u cared about her, she would have been spending most of the year on math and not on her social life. My guess is she has rarely ever passed the TAKS test so she never learned what it takes to pass it. Which is EXACTLY why the younger kids have to pass it before they move up to the next grade. I was against that but now I see why they did it...because this girl should have been held back a grade earlier so she could find out what she missed learning in math class. Math is cumulative if you miss some core concepts then you will NEVER understand. You have to go back to the start to see what she missed.

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

6:21 No pass no play has nothing to do with TAKS scores, only your class grades. That is not Decatur policy...state policy.

Anonymous said...

6:21 No one gets anything when they walk across stage. They are just fake papers. You get the real ones later.

OMG the whole thing IS a charade!:)

Anonymous said...

School sucks all the way around...students, teachers, principals, parents. It's all in a state of decline.

Anonymous said...

It's done, get over it. Unless you guys want to go to Auatin and fix the dumb butts that are up there making the rules, this was the best way to fix it on a local level.
Now, let's leave this kid alone, and let her participate in the same fake graduation that everyone else does. It's all just a show anyway.

Anonymous said...

I am in favor of letting the kids take the test on the first day of school. If they pass it, stay home the rest of the year. From the first day of school that is all the principals want their teachers to do is teach these kids how to pass the taks test at the end of the year. So, if you pass on the first day, go home and quit wasting time or start providing our kids with a more well rounded education.

Anonymous said...

10:54, I already said I am an elementary teacher. Why would you say you hope I am not a teacher?
Actually your responses on here scare the dickens out of me! You are very defensive of my comments. Let me say this to you, doctor, EVERY student I have and have had who has been taken for "testing" because their parents feel they need drugs to help them concentrate HAS RECEIVED THE DRUGS! Pretty high percentage for "testing" positive for ADD, ADHD, etc, wouldn't you say? Your very, very defensive comments to me make me feel that I have struck quite a nerve with you. You've already admitted you have several parents who bring their children to you, perhaps YOU are the one who prescribes these drugs to them over and over and over again? I realize some, possibly many, kids may need drugs (ok, perscriptions - since that term seems to make you feel better) for whatever may be their problem, but for every kid who has reading problems, math problems, problems just focusing to be given DRUGS by their doctors when their parents bring them in for "testing," is overboard! And YES, I certainly believe it's a money maker, possibly for you too. More and more it seems that discipline is replaced by little pills. That is my opinion, substantiated by the many many children I have taught over the many years in my teaching career. And ONCE again, I'll say, the TAKS exams have spurred that practice on. You said you hoped I was not a teacher, well, for goodness sakes, I hope you are not my physician!! ( However, I know you are not, because my physician is much more composed than you indicate yourself to be on this blog.)

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:54, doc! um, how come you have time to blog during the work day if your a doctor? I dont believe your a doctor at all. Or maybe that is why we all have to wait so long for our appts? because you blog all day?

Anonymous said...

3:08 - You know nothing about what ADHD actually is. It is a true problem whereby the brain re-absorbs a chemical called dopamine before the frontal lobe of the brain is able to absorb it. It is a true problem which sometimes causes other problems in eye tracking which leads to reading problems etc., and a host of other problems. The medication prescribed by doctors to control this problem allows the children to focus and become productive. Without this medication some of the children are lost and rendered totally mentally disabled. I was a teacher 15 years ago and at that time would have agreed with you. However, you are truly in the dark ages on this issue and I am offended that you would be so negative about this disability and the treatment that truly saves the lives of some of these children. ADHD is the most studied mental disorder in children and there have been great strides in treatment in the last several years. My son has ADHD and I have spent an unmeasureable amount of time in research of this issue. I did not want to give my child the medication and struggled with this however, if there are no other outstanding medical problems that would cause problems in taking this medication it is extremely important for these children to take their medication. You are a teacher and should be more knowledgable on this topic. Your ignorance should embarass you.

Anonymous said...

Drug companies are making money by selling the ADHD drugs. The drug companies have been researching this and have made great strides in developing new medication so that these children can be successful members of society. You people are total IDIOTS!!!!! You obviously don't have a family afflicted by this disease. I do and I know how hard it is to deal with this problem. It is NOT a matter of disipline. These children want to do good just like all the other children do but their brains are not working properly. Its a dopamine problem that they are born with. It is heridity. The medication is good for these children. I will gladly pay a company for a service that they provide and I am greatful. My son will have a life now and a good one.

If you would spend one hour studying this issue you would see how ignorant you are.

Anonymous said...

3:08 - You are what is wrong with the teaching profession. You are a stupid idiot. I wish I had an opportunity to explain to you what ADHD really is . I do hope that you are not a teacher. You are probably a very negative influence on children that have ADHD and I hope my child never gets you for a teacher.

Anonymous said...

Geeeeeeeezee... you people do NOT hear what I am saying! How can 100% of the students who go for "testing" be found positive for ADD, ADHD! Do you all NOT see a hiccup in that??????? If not, then YOU people are gullable gullable gullable.
I KNOW there are SOME kids who need the med's for such a problem, but NOT ALL OF THEM DO!!
You know what................take your drugs, let your kids take all the drugs you want them to take, just don't WHINE later when they have all kinds of side effects from medicines YOU gave them when they were kids that show up later in life! Suckers!
I'll go on believing as I do and you do the same. Ta ta!

Anonymous said...

Wow, you know its pretty obvious that lots of you give your kids these drugs. Give them some time to grow up how about.

Anonymous said...

I think more people have voted on Barry's poll than voted in the school board election. Maybe if more people were proactive in selecting school board members they would get the results they want.

not fake want-to-be

Anonymous said...

646P I would like to know how you have become so saavy with the percentages. Medical info. is considered to be priviledged and is none of the teachers business. Unless, you notified the parent that they might need to see a doctor. Is your principal riding your ass for having poor taks scores? If you dont like kids taking medicine for a legitimate psychiatric disorder, maybe you should use one of the tactics mentioned earlier on this blog. Inform the students in your class that if they pass the taks test, you will shave your head or dye your hair. It works for your principal and maybe your scores would go up as well. Perhaps without medication. Good luck with those benchmarks!!!!!Have a great summer.

Anonymous said...

OMG...6:46. I agree with the other posters. You might achieve a better state of mind through chemistry yourself...let's start with valium. I feel sorry for your students if you are, in fact, a teacher. Hope my kids don't have or will have you.

Anonymous said...

My my my, I see that so many of you have really become obsessive in this topic.

My percentage expertise is based soley on what I stated earlier. I have taught for 34 years after this year. Of those parents who have chosen to inform me of their child's "testing," all received drugs. 100% of them.

There is nothing you people can say that will make me feel that giving 7, 8, 9 year old kids mind bending drugs is OK. Maybe you folks there are the ones who will also put your 4th graders on steroids because they have not yet developed physically enough to be competitive on their peewee teams.

Children need time to grow and develop, physically, emotionally and mentally. There is one thing you all have just about convinced me of though, and that is there must be some validity that "mental imbalance" is hereditary.

Your name calling does no good here. After 34 years in the education business, I've heard it all. You all have no idea what kind of teacher I am, nor do you have any idea of my kids TAKS scores. My school system is aware and has seen fit to keep me here for the last 25 years of my 34.

We are out for summer vacation as of today. I'm at home enjoying a cup of coffee and the morning paper. Good luck to you all and most importantly, good luck to your children.

moma247 said...

8:19, I get what you're saying. Yes, there does seem to be a high number of kids on meds for ADD, ADHD, etc.
5:46, I also get what you're saying in that ADD, ADHD, etc. are real conditions that can be maintained and controlled with medication.

However, some doctors are willing to diagnose and medicate kids WITHOUT doing a full evaluation. DON'T GET ME WRONG, it is not all doctors. But I do know for a fact that with some doctors, you can tell them that your child is hard to control and not doing well at school and they will simply write a prescription without any further checking.

Anonymous said...

I sense this post will be gone shortly.


Jean Dixon

Anonymous said...

8:19 a.m. - if you have time to keep up with the percentage of students that get drugs then you obviously have too much time in the classroom not devoted to teaching. But really now you really don't know the percentages. You need to spend your time teaching not counting.

Anonymous said...

i find it funny how we say leave this girl alone. the whole problem was that she was left alone and not held accountable for her decisions. when a person isnt passing a test with this much weight they should devote all thier attention to it not to boys and being popular and this is the job of the parents to make sure that she does this. they failed and as we see she failed a wise person once said a child will not understand why a parent has to punish them or take things away until they themselves become a parent and thenthey will be thankful for what thier parents did. CONGRATS TO ALL THE REAL GRADUATES OF 09 I APPOLIGIZE FOR THE ELECTED OFFICALS CHEAPEN YOUR DAY

Anonymous said...

Dealing with your own guilt trip are you 8:46? Your comment is absurd at the least. 9:47, you are obviously a kid yourself. Actually neither of you write like an educated adult. Sad.

I agree, this post needs to end. I know I"m gone after this last hurrah!! lol!

Anonymous said...

TAKS/Graduation--

The kids who failed the test last year and the year before that... did not get to walk because the former principal proposed it to the board that they NOT get to walk and she got it through.

By the way, this isn't about ONE GIRL. She is no more important than any other student, this year, or year's prior, who can't pass the test.

I can't imagine why so many of you are making this out to be only about HER. It is fortunate for all involved that her parents know that they can speak at a board meeting and ask for something. So many of the others don't know of such rights.

And if you think after several attempts at passing a state mandated test, that the parents shouldn't be involved from Day 1 - you all are too naive to understand the whole thing. We can only hope they're taking the practice tests that are sent home, they're getting extra tutoring that parents often pay for outside the school day, they're working throughout the summer, and they're going online for help every single day before it's too late.

If they don't pass a college entrance exam to get into college, that's the college's fault, right? I don't think so!

I haven't heard any "students" upset about this decision, in fact, I heard they signed a petition to support this. Why is it that the community is upset and thinks it's taking something away from those who passed TAKS. The "kids" aren't the ones upset. Yet it doesn't affect a parent whatsoever.
And BTW, I voted in the school board election, and am quite pleased with the outcome, I believe for the most part, this is one of the best boards we've had in some time.

Only two other people out there ran for the newest seat on the board, so the rest of you ought not point fingers.

Oh this is fun...

DHS has fewer job openings than in the past MANY years. What does that tell you.

And, by the way (I'm not a coach) the DHS coaches are some of the finest people and teachers I have ever known.

Many, many other schools within the county and outside let their students walk at graduation for years- why is it that you are all so upset for something that even Decatur used to do? Or did you even know that?

Anonymous said...

Yea I remember the previous principal. She came to this school when it was "low performing". Yep people were in an uproar then. She turned it around.

I liked her because she didn't care how long you have lived in decatur and who your daddy was...she bucked the status quo and applied the same rules to all.

That is all we are asking for. Set the rules in the beginning and quit changing them for a select few because we like their family. I know life is hard. I get it but the God help her if she leaves Decatur because we didn't prepare her.

Anonymous said...

10:34 The rules are not changed for a select few. They are forever changed from here on out, for however many if effects. If it were being changed for a select few, then the rules would change back to the way they were for next year, but they are not going to change.

Anonymous said...

10:34 your head has been in the sand for a loooooonnnnnnnng time.


Whoa, paragraph 2 is sooooo wrong - in fact, it's opposite of truth.

But it's OK now, anyway! It's all good!