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12.13.2005

Cowboy Up Part 2

As a followup to my Gay Cowboy Movie Post a couple of months ago, I note that Brokeback Mountian opens this weekend and that it just received seven Golden Globe nominations. I just wish I could watch the expression on the face of an average Wise County guy who walks into the Fossil Creek Theater with his wife, looks at the movie poster for the first time, and says, "Hmmm, a western. Let's see that one." Giddy up.

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

This movie is wrong in sooooo many ways...

fred said...

i haven't seen it, but i think they are hot...if it were two female cowboys, would you still feel it is soooo wrong???

Anonymous said...

...well shucks, is this gonna bring new meaning to.....

...ride em' cowboy!

...John Wayne will be turning over in his grave!

comment4U said...

You know, it's generating all kinds of Oscar buzz too....IF it's done tastefully, like 'Alexander' was, then I won't have a problem. I heard--via a review--that the first initial love scene is in-your-face. The reviewer said if you can make it thru this opening, you'll be ok for the rest of the film. It may just be about romantic turmoil--IF it's turned into a big Hollywood'ish Embrace the "Lifestyle," I'll puke.

And, Barry, the "giddy up" makes you sound SO gay on this one....

Condoleesa said...

I think it is time for me to "Cowboy Up"

Anonymous said...

There is a club in Decatur.

gofish said...

Hollywood is jumping in simply because of the lifestyle promotion. As for me, I'll be skipping it. I'm sure it's a wonderful story about two people who really love each other OR maybe it's a story about two guys that needed to get out of the country before they lost their minds. Obviously, I'm not a fan of the lifestyle and don't appreciate the movie.

Anonymous said...

Gofish, you're not a fan of the movie? You haven't even seen it! How dare you make a judgement about a movie you havent EVEN SEEN! Don't go see it! That's your choice. But, it's just like voting. If you don't vote, you don't have a say so.

As far as being a fan of the "lifesyle", I may not be a fan of your "lifestyle". Then again, I might be a fan if I knew you. Do you know know any gay couples in commited relationships that pay taxes, contribute to the Wise County economy and worship God? We're here. If you REALLY knew us, you might be a fan.


And furthermore, wouldn't it be a better world if there was more LOVE, regardless of who's involved?

Anonymous said...

I'm not from Wise County but it sounds to me like there are more biggots there than gays. Yes, I read the Bible. It teaches love and respect, not hate. The Baptist teach hate as a family value so I say boycott the Baptist !

Back to the Bible...It also says that its a sin to eat shell fish ! How many of you Baptist had shrimp for supper this week? It says a woman should be executed for wearing red. "Oh my ! What will the Baptist ladies wear to church?" And there are other things written in the Bible that you Baptist seem to ignore 'cause you don't think it applies to you.

This movie is about love...it just happens that two masculine men realize that they have a very strong attraction to each other. That's the defination of love as far as I am concerned. The Bible teaches us to love each other. It says nothing about hate. If you intend to live the rest of your miserable lives hating others, then you have to accept the fact that you are not a true Christian and a total bigott.

God created me gay and He knows I have a loving heart. So, I can forgive you Baptists for hating me and my brothers and sisters. Lets see if you can do the same thing.

Ok people, lets learn to love and respect each other. You respect me as an individual, no matter what my life style is and I'll stop kicking Baptist. I may even visit Wise County again...after I have seen Brokeback Mountain and seen what real love is...the same love that Jesus preaches...not hate.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever read what the Bible has to say about sodomy and the Sodomites?

Anonymous said...

What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Actually, very little. Most significantly, Jesus said nothing at all. Considering the relatively small amount of attention the Bible pays to the subject, we must ask ourselves why this is such a volatile issue. Other subjects about which the scriptures say a great deal (e.g. judgment, pride, hypocrisy) receive much less passionate attention. Before looking at specific passages, it is important to note that everyone understands the scriptures based on, and through, the light of what they have been taught. The Bible was not written in a cultural void, and many of its instructions and laws are simply classified as less relevant today (e.g. prohibition against eating pork).

Nowhere does the Bible actually address the idea of persons being lesbian or gay. The statements are, without exception, directed to certain homosexual acts. Early writers had no understanding of homosexuality as a psychosexual orientation. That truth is a relatively recent discovery. The biblical authors were referring to homosexual acts performed by persons they assumed were heterosexuals.

The Sodom Story
A chief text used to condemn homosexuality is the Sodom story (Genesis 19:1-29), often interpreted as showing God's abhorrence of homosexuality. In the story, two angels, in the form of men, are sent to the home of Lot in Sodom. While they are there, the men of the city “both young and old, surrounded the house - everyone without exception” and demanded that the visitors be brought out “so that we might know them.” (Genesis 19: 4-5) Lot begged the men to leave his guests alone and take his daughters instead. The men of the city became angry and stormed the door. As a result, they were all struck blind by the angels.

There are several problems with the traditional interpretation of this passage. Whether or not the intent of the men of Sodom was sexual, the inhospitality and injustice coming from the mob, and that generally characterized the community, were “the sin of Sodom.” (Ezekial 16:49-50, Isaiah 13:19, Jeremiah 49:18; 50:40) Jesus himself refers to the inhospitality of Sodom. (Luke 10:10-13) If the men were indeed homosexuals, then why would Lot offer them his daughters? What is threatened here is rape. The significant point, then, is that all rape is considered horrible by God. The story deserves another reading.

It should be noted that not all of the men of Sodom could have been homosexual or there would have been no need to destroy them. If they had all been homosexuals, they would have all died off leaving no heirs. Quite likely, they were a mixed group of evil men attempting to be abusive to people who were different. Ironically, lesbian and gay people are often the victim of that same sin.
Although the traditional interpretation of the Sodom story fails as an argument against homosexuality, there are several other Old Testament passages that do condemn homosexual acts. Again, it should be noted that these passages do not deal with same-sex orientation nor is there any reference to genital love between lesbian or gay persons.

Anonymous said...

I guess that tells Anon 6:57pm! Let us hear from him(her) about rape, hate and intollerance.

comment4U said...

For one, gofish said he/she wasn't a fan of the lifestyle. Me neither, and you know what? That's our prerogative. Be as gay as h#ll if you want, I don't care...just don't expect people to give you the Sean-Penn'ish thumbs up for your "lifestyle."

And, interesting dissertation on the Biblical platform. I still maintain that in the biologies involved, it's unnatural.

That being said, down go the floodgates....

Anonymous said...

It isn't our "lifestyle". It's the life God gave us. And we don't expect anything except to be treated equally as you. Please open your minds and your hearts. Most of us aren't activists, never wanted to be, just want to live our lives. God is the ultimate judge. We know that. And I'm,for one, not worried. If I go to hell it won't be for being gay.

Anonymous said...

Actually it is quite possible Jesus was bisexual. If you would simply look up the period when Jesus was on earth, you will find that many middle easterners were bisexual. They had dude friends for fun and had their wife(s) on the side.

Anonymous said...

Hey ! I just flew in from New York and I saw the picture there. It has to be the most moving account of two humans who quite accidently realize that they have strong feelings for each other and act upon it. What it does to their lives when they go on with it is the sad part.

Society can't accept that they are just like the rest of you and have feelings that need to be addressed.

This is the best movie I have seen in many years. I am straight. I hope that those of you who are so dead set against the gay world would take the time to go and see it. It opened my eyes to the fact that love is eternal and has no bounds. It makes no difference if its two women, two guys or a man and a woman that show their love for each other. What it does show is that love can move mountains and we sure as hell need more of that today.

As I said, I'm straight, married and have a son and daughter whom I love dearly. I will take them all to this wonderful movie. I want them to know that love is more powerful than hate and that all of God's children are loved by Him.

Please open you minds to love. Forget about your engrained hate for others whether they are gay, black or Jewish...or anything other than yourself.

I welcome any gay men and women to our fine Wise County. I want you to know that I, as one person, do understand now that you are like all of the rest of us. Just good citizens of our community.

Go see the movie with an open heart. Learn that love is greater than hate. Watching this movie opened my eyes. Let it open yours to love too.

Signed: A loving man, husband and parent

gofish said...

I'm not Baptist but I am a sinner and I certainly recognize sin in my life. I pray to God daily for his grace to cover me. I don't hate anyone whether they are gay or straight but I do believe the Bible teaches that homosexual conduct is a sin. Drinking too much is a sin also. I used to drink too much but through prayer, grace and help from friends, I don't drink any longer. The love the Bible teaches and the love this movie portrays are two different types of love. I'd be happy to discuss amore and agape at some time but don't think this blog is the best place to do it. I'd be happy to discuss why I believe homosexual conduct is a sin too and when I was finished, I would hug everyone in the room, tell them I love them and pray that God gave us all a better understanding of his will.
I do vote by not going to the movie. I'll keep my dollars from Hollywood and tell them I don't appreciate this show. It certainly doesn't mean I hate anyone. I do find it fascinating that I'm labeled as a man of hatred and bigot by people telling me I need to be more open-minded. I don't intend to call you names but I will tell you what I believe the Bible says. I'm open to the fact that none of us are perfect and we all need God's mercy. Yet, I will not condone sin in my life or for anyone else. I will ask forgiveness when I sin and suggest others do the same. I will not see a movie that condones something I feel God doesn't. And before you ask, yes, I stay home instead of going to most movies. I might see 3 or 4 a year and most of those are for children.

Anonymous said...

Gofish "doesn't appreciate the movie". He hasn't even seen it!

Anonymous said...

Yes Fred I would feel it was wrong seeing how I'm female. It's just nasty in every way I don't care what gender you are.

Anonymous said...

6:33 Anonymous: God did NOT create you gay. It's time you came to realize that. Why would God say it is an abomination if He created you that way? What Bible are you reading? The gay bible? Sorry I don't read that one because that is not the one God wrote!!!

gofish said...

You are correct anon 9:32, I have not seen it and will not see it and still don't appreciate it. I don't appreciate the content of the movie. Is that so hard to understand? There are people who don't go to the symphony because they don't appreciate the music or the Cowboys because they don't like football. I don't appreciate a movie that espouses the idea that homosexual activity is OK. I don't hate you, I don't hate the people who made the movie or starred in the movie or will go see the movie. Yet, I don't appreciate it and will not see it because I know enough about it to know I don't want to see it anymore than I would want to see an execution or abortion.

Anonymous said...

In the New Testament there is no record of Jesus saying anything about homosexuality. This ought to strike us as very odd in light of the great threat to Christianity, family life and the American way that some would have us believe homosexuality is. Jesus saw injustice and religious hypocrisy as a far greater threat to the Realm of God.

WWJD should be changed to WWJRD. "What would Jesus REALLY do"

Anonymous said...

We all know Jesus was a gay jew, its ok.

Anonymous said...

Yes, that's IT! It's the gay Bible that GOD WROTE!

UNBELIEVABLE!

Anonymous said...

Actually God never wrote the bible.

Anonymous said...

It is really easy to bash gays, tell jokes about them, make fun of them, etc. - until we have them in our own family. That puts a whole different perspective on it.

Loving what we can't accept is hard to do.

At least for me.

Anonymous said...

It's hard to accept something you CHOOSE not to understand!

Anonymous said...

If you have to hide it or lie about it then IT IS WRONG!!!! No God did not make you gay anymore then He made me or any other human being addicted to cigaretts, drugs or alcohol, He created me and you perfect, the screw ups where my and everyone elses own. Do not blame God for your mistakes. Read Proberbs 31:10-31. Not once does it mention a mans husband but it says numerous times her, not him, her!!!! Do not go preaching the Bible if you only want to repeat the scriptures that suit you, none of us are perfect but don't say you are justified by Christ, He does not like your lifestyle and you can not say that deep down in your heart you are convinced of it or you wouldn't be so ready to jump to your own defense. The day will come when you stand before your Savior as I and countless others will, you have your sins, we have ours and I would probably rather answer to yours than mine but that's a whole different story.

Anonymous said...

And, Barry, the "giddy up" makes you sound SO gay on this one....

WRONG. Your "giddy up" made me laugh out loud. Thanks Bear. Needed it today.

Anonymous said...

I just joined this blog. I've noticed no one has factually disputed what Jesus DIDN'T say about gays or the Bible itself. And, it's I don't think the gay people are "fighting back". I think it's just that they are defending themselves from constant attack--mentally, physically. Anon 7:08 pm speaks specifically to the passages of the Bible that deal with this subject. None of the other posts are that specific and can contradict the scripture passages themselves. "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Which Bible was that in? There SURE seems to be a lot of judging going on here and not too much love that's going to move many mountains. Merry Christmas to all, gay and straight.

Anonymous said...

I suggest all of you read the New Testament all the way through. You might get a different perspective.The Old Testament is not the only place sodomy is condemned.

Anonymous said...

Yet again, another posting with no specifics. Has nobody read the posting of anon @ 7:08 pm? and then read those passages? Pretty hard to dispute that.

gofish said...

Specifics you request so delivered.
I Corinthians 6:9 - Neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders...will inherit the kingdom of God. Chapter 7 goes on to discuss marriage in verse 2 stating, "...each man should have his own wife..." Chapter 13 discusses love between people but not of the sexual nature.
In Matthew 15:19, Jesus speaks of sins including adultery and sexual immorality as well as in Mark 7:21. Since adultery is listed specifically, it can be inferred that sexual immorality would include homosexual behavior. In Romans 1, verses 24 and following, the writer talks about men and women turning from natural relations between a man and woman to unnatural relations with each other. There are more but I wanted to put a few of these out there since some of you feel it is not addressed in the Bible.

Anonymous said...

Gofish, why don't you directly address the comments of anon @ 7:08. For someone who's not going to see the movie, you sure are obsessed about this subject. God love 'ya....

Anonymous said...

Is that george bush on the right in the photo?
Naaaw, even if he is in love wih Dick, he wouldn't do THAT would he?

gofish said...

Anon 10:50, I wouldn't say I'm obsessed. I made a comment, was labeled and responded. In Sodom, sin was so rampant of all kinds (not limited to homosexuality), that God wiped them out. Homosexuality isn't the only sin. I've abused drugs and alcohol in my past and I would label that as a very sinful part of my past. You on the other hand seem obsessed with pointing out my "problems". You asked for specifics, I delivered some. I suppose you didn't like them since you sent me elsewhere. Now I've responded to that also. I am thankful God loves me and I know He loves you too.

Anonymous said...

That's right gofish! He wiped out Sodom and look what he did to New Orleans!! Who or what's next? We better be listening to Him or suffer the consequences.

Anonymous said...

Paul's reference to homosexual acts in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is similar to 1 Timothy 1:8-11. These two passages contain lists of persons to be excluded from the Realm of God. The interpretation of these passages depends on two Greek words that have always presented a problem for translators. In the King James Version, they are translated “effeminate” and “abusers of themselves with mankind.” In the Revised Standard Version, they were combined and rendered as “homosexuals,” however, these are not the Greek words for homosexual, so these translations reflects the scholars' bias. The New International Version illustrates the difference in these two words by translating them “male prostitute” and “homosexual offenders.” The Jerusalem Bible uses the terms “catamites and “sodomites.” Catamites were youth kept especially for sexual purpose, who were usually paid large sums of money. Neither passage refers to persons of same-sex orientation but to people who used their sexuality for personal gain.

Anonymous said...

Did I just read that God destroyed New Orleans because of all the sodomites? Wonder if Decatur will be next?

comment4U said...

Gofish, you've held your own nicely, and I STILL agree with YOU.

Anonymous said...

In our Judeo-Christian society, the documents collectively known as the Bible serve as the primary guide on most issues. It is interesting that many Christians take literally the references to homosexual acts, while interpreting other text with great flexibility. One person reported listening to a nationally-known woman speak in her campaign against homosexuality. She spent quite a bit of time quoting impressively from Leviticus. The listener accepted much of what the speaker said until he realized that, by Levitical standards, the crusader herself had broken many biblical laws – she spoke in church (1 Corinthians 14:34), she taught men (1 Timothy 2:12), she was wearing a dress made of cotton and polyester (Deuteronomy 22:11), and others of which he was probably unaware.

gofish said...

You bring up good points Anon 5:17. There are many things we must wrestle with in the Bible but we must still acknowledge that we all deal with sin. There's nothing wrong with speaking out against sin because we can never be perfect when we are speaking. I speak out against sins I commit knowing I must change and praying for God's grace. We could spend a great deal of time dealing with the new covenant and old covenant but the fact is, we are all sinners and we must admit to our sin and ask for forgiveness. I've been accused of being obsessed with this issue but it's the issue of sin that I'm obsessed with. I hate it and I commit it. I don't judge anyone's standing with God based on my comments but I do comment on what I believe the Bible says. There are those here who would argue that the Bible permits homosexuality. Again, I would be happy to sit down with anyone who believes that and study with them. We may not change each other's understanding but I'm open to discussion and I will pray for them and for myself to better know God's will when we are done.

Anonymous said...

This debate could go on and on, always has, and probably always will. I too, strongly comment on what I believe the Bible says. I too, think I'm obsessed about sin as much as you. And, I too am a sinner and have fallen short of the grace of God. There are many, many sins that we should all be obsessed with. I, for one, have trouble forgiving someone who has lied to me, stolen from me, and many other things. I, for one, can't stand it when some one uses the "GD" word. Curse me, not my God. We are good, gay people. We believe in God. I for one, do not believe being gay is a sin. And, like someone else posted earlier, believe that if I don't go to heaven it won't be for being gay. It might be for some of those other sins we should be obsessed with. Christmas is a little over a week away, let's start spreading some cheer. Going to see Brokeback Mountain tomorrow. Would like my "unbiased" opinion? Merry Christmas!

Anonymous said...

We will pray for you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you! We always have, and will continue, to pray for you.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the comments about New Orleans:

In fact, about the only parts of the city that weren't severely damaged by the massive flooding from burst levees were the gayest areas. And the New Orleans gay scene appears to be bouncing back faster than the city in general.

"The 20 percent of the city that was spared, 80 percent of those parts of the city are gay [neighborhoods]," said Larry Bagneris, executive director of the New Orleans Human Relations Commission. "The benefits of living in that environment -- the French Quarter, the Marigny, the Bywater, Uptown -- where most gay people live, they were spared the water. We've come back not only to dry land, but to our jobs.

"All those preachers who blamed the gay community for Katrina -- our neighborhoods were the ones that had the rainbow over us and were blessed," Bagneris said.

Anonymous said...

How dare you use the symbol of the rainbow in a defile manner! God created the rainbow as a promise to never flood the earth again, not as a symbol of gay love. How DARE you disgrace that. I'll pray for you. God said to love the sinner but hate the sin. That's what I am doing. Love you and may God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:11...You didn't even address the issues of the previous posting. Instead, you chose to rant and rave about the rainbow. I'm sure those in New Orleans that survived the hurricane--black, poor, homeless, even the wealthy--would agree that they had a rainbow over their heads. Even though you'd probably not admit it, it's just another "assumption" you have about gay people. That's called "homophobia". We personally don't own a rainbow flag or anything similar.In fact, the only rainbow that I see is the one God occassionally creates for us--a symbol of hope. When we read your comments using such words as "how dare you" and "defile", it makes us wonder how loving and caring and INFORMED you really are. As for your prayers, as humans we all need each others prayers. But, in this case, I wonder what you'd pray for us?