The Campaign For DA

12.09.2014

Random Tuesday Morning Thoughts


  • A Senate committee is going to release a report on torture by our military today. There are already people in the right wing media defending our tactics before we learn what was done. 
  • Mark Davis made the very odd statement this morning that some of the tactics we will learn about would not be appropriate if they were done "on our own people." Think about that. Someone should not be waterboarded (or worse) simply because they had the fortuitous event of being born on American soil? Try to explain that to an alien from outer space. "Well, when his mother gave birth, she was on this particular piece of land on our globe. That's why we don't waterboard that person. Others we don't care about." 
  • And then explain to the alien why it is OK for our government to execute "our own people" by lethal injection even though they were born on that same land. 
  • Today the Republicans get to fight for sound bites as Jonathan Gruber is forced to appear before a House committee. That's nothing more than a media event.  Every representative has been working on just one five second zinger that will make the national news. 
  • Driving in the fog: I like finding a car's tail lights in the distance which I can just follow from a safe distance.  I fear the fog pile up. 
  • There's an editorial in the Star-Telegram today by a liberal calling for the abolition of the grand jury system so prosecutors will either have to either file cases in court or take responsibility and explain why they didn't. That's crazy because grand juries are supposed to protect us for nutty prosecutors. (Obscure legal note: The U.S. Constitution's right to a grand jury has never been ruled to be a requirement of a state prosecution. But Texas has a grand jury requirement in its own constitution.)
  • I promise I'll do a post on how the grand jury process actually works. I've been asked about that a lot recently.
  • I'm not sure I knew Bridgeport had a Taco Bell. When I was a kid, the news that McDonald's was opening in Decatur was about as big of news as there could possibly be. 
  • I've been thinking it and they talked about it on the Ticket yesterday: The Elf on the Shelf causes more pressure on the parents to not forget before going to bed that the Elf is in the same place in the house that it was that morning than it is for the kids' enjoyment. 
  • Someone mentioned it in the comments yesterday and it's in the Update today: There was a fight between two motorcycle clubs in last weekend's Wise County Toy Run. Good grief. If you google the two groups, the "Road Dogs" and the "Cossacks", you'll find some pretty interesting stuff to read.
  • Sports: Junior Miller researched the non-conference schedules in 1974 of Baylor, aTm, TCU, and SMU. Oh, my. How insanely tough they were. (You'll have to click around a bit, but they can be found here.)
  • It's now the punishment phase in the capital murder trial of the ex-JP who has been convicted of murder.  The prosecutor's are now allowed to bring up his other alleged murders. One witness yesterday said the ex-JP was an "immediate suspect" once an assistant DA was gunned down as he got out of his car.  Normally, saying someone is an "immediate suspect" is negative for the prosecution because it leads to the belief that the cops jumped to conclusions and were predisposed. But once someone has been convicted of murder and you're just presenting punishment evidence of another murder, the State can get away with that. 
  • That Hulen Mall murder plot is a script for a crazed teenager movie. 


49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Crazy how BG thinks it's important to get to the truth of the U.S. government's torture practices yet in the very next post dismisses a Congressional hearing to get to the bottom of deceptive practices used to pass Obamacare.

One of the architects of the law has admitted to lying to get it passed and the more we learn about the law the more we learn how awful it is.

Nice double standard for seeking transparency, BG.

At least now I know why the liberal national networks, in their distorted logic, will cover the torture hearings tonight but not the Obamacare one.

wordkyle said...

Yahoo News story headline: "U.S. on alert ahead of torture report's release". It's about how the report will inflame terrorists to be more terrorist-y. The Democrat Senate committee is releasing this report.

I won't go so far as to say that Democrats, especially Obama, have intentionally worked to destroy America. But many of the actions they've taken are the same as if they had that goal in mind.

Our national debt is worse. Millions more people are unemployed. Our international standing is worse. Race relations are worse. Government intrusion into individuals' lives is worse. Americans feel hopeless when they think of the country's future.

Democrats have fueled every one of these situations. What was their goal?

Anonymous said...

When Bush would use waterboarding, all it would do is have the terrorist give up good intel and leave him a little wet. Obammy doesn't waterboard. He sends in a drone and blows up innocent civilians who happen to be around the terrorist. Now who is the war criminal?

Anonymous said...

I used to imagine what aliens would think if they obsereved our global divisions. I was a child then. Barry's lack of wisdom is comforting.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why people feel pressure to move the Elf on the Shelf every night. We purposely don't move ours every single night so we have that to fall back on if we forget. We just tell the kid that the elf only moves when he wants.

Triple Fake... said...

Why do you feel the need to explain our justice system to some illegal alien? Just tell it "We don't give a @#$% how you did it back on Omicron Persei 8! Now turn that thing around and point it at some other solar system, cuz we got all the furriners we need here now. Comprende?"

1974 non-conference schedules:
I didn't hear all of Junior's bit, so he may have covered this. It wasn't a case of these teams taking on tough opponents to look better for the rankings. It was a case of the other teams (usually championship contenders) taking on the schools listed to pad their win totals. Not much has changed in forty years, schedule-wise.

Hulen killing:
yeah, it just sounds like they cooked up that scheme after watching too much TV. But how stupid are you to think the cops won't catch you with that inside job? And cameras are everywhere nowadays.
Maybe the guy should have just told the cops he couldn't breathe. Lots of folks seem to think you should get a free pass when making that claim

Ernest T said...

So the Democrats were giving the CIA the right to "do whatever it takes" in 2001 to track down terrorists. These methods, which are not illegal, were able to get information that allowed us to catch Bin Laden and many other terrorists.

This is putting this country in danger to more terrorism and is going to damage our relations with other countries. IMO, the last six years have been nothing but trying to damage this country by the Democrats.

Funny that you think transparency is o.k. in this case, but don't appreciate transparency when it is regarding the hearings held today about Obamacare!

Anonymous said...

Re-torture practices: I fail to see the purpose of releasing this report other than to damage the legacy of W. Democrats apparently are more concerned about that than the immeasurable damage this will do to the United States

Anonymous said...

Comic Gold

RedNeck Japanse guy teaches his ver of Karate....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrigvOX1AE&feature=youtu.be

Anonymous said...

War is hell....get over it. Try finding out what has been done to our troops if you don't believe it.

Anonymous said...

Barry thinks about what aliens would think of us? He assumes that any life form that can make it across a large part of the universe would naturally be smarter and more compassionate than us humanoids. Based on what? You can actually tell which days that BG is off his meds. Barry, you kill me. I mean it.

Anonymous said...

RTG = NICE!!

Katy Anders said...

I'm glad we're hearing about what the government does, supposedly in our name.

"Forced rectal feeding" did not result in any actionable information? Amazing.

People held long after it was clear they were not involved and had no useful information?

This is how you CREATE terrorism, not fight it.

It's hard to believe that people not only defend this insanity, but defend the government's right to do whatever it wants without accountability or the knowledge of those it supposedly represents.

Anonymous said...

Katy, Which came first? Terrorists or 9/11?

Anonymous said...

If I was given a choice, I'd rather be waterboarded than beheaded.

Ernest T said...

So did we not have any terrorists around before 9/11 Katy? What did you call the bombing of the Pan Am plane over Lockerbie, the Beirut bombing, all of the aircraft hijackings in the late 80s to early 90s?

I could go on and on!

Katy Anders said...

12:54: Please explain how what I said indicated there had been no terrorism before 9/11.

Anonymous said...

You said we created terrorism.

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Its really simple to me.

1.) if you are a bad guy, shooting at our troops or otherwise conducting war, then if you are captured you are a POW. Should be treated as such.

2.) if you are a bad guy, committing acts of terrorism, then if you are captured I don't care what happens to you. And any info the good guys pull out of you is a bonus.

3.) if you are a bad guy, committing war crimes, see #2.

4.) nothing in 1,2,3 make me feel uncomfortable about my government as I sit here in the USofA.

PS - Katy, I think what others are saying is there is plenty of terrorism that was started long-before Gitmo and the torture there. And they are right. Life-is-not-fair-fact #3,645 - There are people who hate Americans because of their beliefs so much they commit murder, torture, and other crimes and will never cease trying to do so, regardless of how "nice" we are. And no, I do not care what our Government does with these people.

Anonymous said...

Did Elf on the Shelf exist before 9/11?

Katy Anders said...

1:43: Yeah, I see what was being misinterpreted about what I said. I was certainly not intending to say that our interrogation policies were what originally started violent acts by terrorists.

Katy Anders said...

1:45: Read more slowly. Maybe get a grown-up to help you.

Katy Anders said...

My smart alec comment was intended for 1:35. I think I directed it at 1:45, who asked a perfectly respectable elf-related question.

Anonymous said...

For the Ticket heads out there:

I think today's RTG may qualify as one of Danny's "little miracles".

Anonymous said...

This issue may be the only one John McCain and I agree on.

We are Americans. We don't (or shouldn't) do some things.

Becoming as bad as our enemy isn't winning.

Anonymous said...

I was not waterboarding, I was surfing.

Double Fake W.

Ernest T said...

Katy,

You said it yourself...

This is how you CREATE terrorism, not fight it.

You may not have meant it that way, but it sounds as if you think that terrorism only exists because of waterboarding, etc. There was terrorism long before we started waterboarding and there will be terrorism long after.

Unfortunately, IMO our current administration is little, if anything, to make terrorists fear us and, therefore, be fearful of attacking us.

Anonymous said...

Elf on the Shelf was created after liberalism because there was a market for them.

Katy Anders said...

3:04: I did indeed say that, and I stand by that statement. That does not mean, however, that I believe that our torture predates terrorism.

I think you realize that. I'm not sure of how committed you are to misconstruing the plain meaning of what I said.

Please don't purposely misconstrue what I said for the simple joy of bickering.

Anonymous said...

Hey there Katy...Why doncha go back and reread your posts today. See if you can pick out the irony, if not the idiocracy.

Maybe get someone to help you out there...a bit of enlightenment.

HarveyLee said...

Katy: stick to what you know, speed shopping.

Katy Anders said...

5:13:

Let's look at what I said: "This is how you CREATE terrorism, not fight it."

You and a couple other people here are reading that as "This is how terrorism was created."

Do you see the difference in meaning between those two sentences? You really are misreading what I wrote.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Katy...FAIL.

One more time, go back and read ALL of your posts. Do I need to define IRONY?

wordkyle said...

Katy could be right. Waterboarding, etc, may create terrorists. Our support of Israel may create terrorists. American intervention in Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Jordan, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other place may create terrorists. Our hedonistic culture may create terrorists. Terrorists don't need any reason to kill Americans other than that we exist. Tactics and strategies that are used to defend ourselves should not be judged on whether they might create terrorists. They should be judged on whether they work or not.

Anonymous said...

Katy's right sorry rednecks

Katy Anders said...

I appreciate the fact that wordkyle can at least understand the words I actually typed. Someone merely disagreeing with me is not frustrating - someone repeatedly misreading what i wrote is frustrating.

But I'm going to tell you, if a nation grabbed up my friends and tortured them, discovered that they were not involved with any crimes nor had knowledge of those crimes, and then kept them for YEARS after that, I would join the cause against that nation.

I would.

I'd like to think I don't have terroristic tendencies, if only because I don't feel strongly enough about any cause, but if I saw the most powerful nation on earth doing that to friends, family, countrymen of mine... you can bet your ass I'd join the cause.

---> Creating terrorists. Maybe I should have said "creating the next generation of terrorists" to make it more clear to the other commenters.

Anonymous said...

So Katy...

You say you believe in Creationism, misses screwing and reading comprehension challenged readers of this blog.

Then we are on the same chapter of music.

Anonymous said...

ZetaTalk: Engagement Rules, written by Jul 15, 1995.
Our rules, in regard to behavior on Earth, are determined by the Council of Worlds, which administer the goings on of intelligent life of all kinds in this part of the Universe. These rules govern the expected clash between Service-to-Self and Service-to-Other oriented groups. Why are these rules necessary? Humans find the self-centered in the same vicinity as the altruistic and empathetic. The rules of human society take this into account. Your laws on criminal behavior, for instance, are an example of rules assuming a mix of Service-to-Self and Service-to-Others. They spell out what criminal behavior is, when the line is crossed, and when one intrudes upon another.

In the Service-to-Self oriented groups all are, essentially, criminals. They are ruthless and utterly without scruples. They would prey upon each other endlessly. The control over each other is not by criminal rules, but by the rule of the strong. The pecking order is ruthlessly established, by whatever means necessary. Once established, this becomes the law. Essentially the rule of law is the long list of rules from the lawgiver. Democracy has absolutely nothing to do with this process. It is a dictatorship.

In the Service-to-Other oriented groups, none wishes to hurt the other. Concern for the group, and others, is expected and delivered. Rules are not used to control here, either. Order is established by the group discussing what needs to be done, and various members volunteering. Communication regarding difficulties, requests for assistance, and status on the ongoing concerns of the many are frequent. There are no secrets. There is no need to be defensive against each other, as all have common goals and none means to take advantage of the other. There are no locked doors. All turn their backs on each other without fear. Goods are not hoarded but shared. Service-to-Others entities trust each other utterly, and this trust is not misplaced.

Mix these two groups together, and what would happen?

The Service-to-Self would endlessly take advantage of the Service-to-Other. To some degree, this takes place in your world. The self-centered moan that they are put upon, unfairly treated, are injured and need a lighter load, cut to the quick by some other's treatment of them, and all manner of ruses to take advantage of good hearted folk. In a world of Service-to-Others, where all have let down their guard to concentrate on mutual goals, assuming themselves surrounded by friends, this trust would prove disastrous. In short, the two groups cannot mix.

You may choose to call this a type of quarantine of the Service-to-Self, or giving the Service-to-Self a prison colony environment, if you wish. So do the two groups never encounter each other? Only when both agree, and under a strict set of rules. The type of engagement may be one of three types:

· Non Engagement - this will happen if there is a request for an engagement, but the request is refused.

· Limited Engagement - meaning that either the requester or the acceptor has placed limits on the engagement. The limits can have all manner of characteristics. Only for an hour. No touching. In the dark. Only numerics can be discussed. Whatever.

· Unlimited Engagement - meaning without limitations, until the death of one entity or the other. Where one of the entities is an individual, this engagement runs until the incarnation ends - physical death. Where one of the entities is a group, this engagement runs until the group disbands or is eliminated in some meaningful manner.

Anonymous said...


I finally figured it out. Jarhead had a sex change and his new iteration is Katy Anders.

Anonymous said...

Wow, just wow. So, Katy believes she could be turned into a terrorist by some of the acts the US has perpetrated. Is that right?

So, I guess you, Katy, have not been affected by the F-ing terrorists that have attacked us? Kind of lukewarm there maybe?

You did not know anyone who suffered and died on 9/11? Or does it only work one way? What they do to us does not matter.

The level of self hate of liberals is just incredible.

You folks just weren't raised right.

Anonymous said...

Katy,

Stupidity and narcissism make for grand humor. You have won the internets for hilarity.

Katy Anders said...

6:16: I thought I was pretty clear about the fact I'm not going to end up as a terrorist, so this is yet another example of purposely misreading what I've written.

The point really is more about what a bad narrative can drive people to.

It can convince people to become terrorists, or in the case of the so=-called "good guys," it can convince them that torture in the name of country is okay.

Anonymous said...

Katy,

You wrote:

"But I'm going to tell you, if a nation grabbed up my friends and tortured them, discovered that they were not involved with any crimes nor had knowledge of those crimes, and then kept them for YEARS after that, I would join the cause against that nation.

I would.

I'd like to think I don't have terroristic tendencies, if only because I don't feel strongly enough about any cause, but if I saw the most powerful nation on earth doing that to friends, family, countrymen of mine... you can bet your ass I'd join the cause."

Sounds to me like you would become a terrorist, for the type of things we did after 9/11. I would say that is clear in fact.

So either you believe we should just lay back and take it, because we are "better than that". Or you believe in the tenants of the terrorists, beheadings, killing of gays, non-Muslims, etc. Which is it>

So that would make you a bigot, or stupid.

Katy Anders said...

9:16: I would walk you through where your reading comprehension fell apart, but unfortunately, when your comment collapsed into a pile of insults, you forfeited your right to converse with me.

I hope you manage to get that under control. Perhaps not hiding behind anonymity would help you curtail that sort of thing?

Anonymous said...

Katy,

My reading comprehension is fine. Great in fact. Perhaps it is your writing that does not portray your true thoughts?

And please, exactly where did I digress into insults? I was attempting to point out your bigotry, etc. You seriously believe that pointing out your shortcomings is insulting? You really are a narcissist, are you not?

A tad bit of self reflection may be in order for you.

Finally, I do not care whether you converse with me or not. I am very comfortable in what I write, whether you can accept the truth, or not.

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

The difference, the subtle difference in this internets fight is question "What would you do if your friends were wrongly imprisoned/tortured?" (paraphrased from Katy.

Would you join their cause?
If yes, would you become a terrorist, or a grunt?

THAT is the subtle difference between a good guy and a bad guy. One fights and is willing to die for his cause. The other commits crimes against humanity and is willing to die for his cause.

Hence I do not care what we do to bad guys. At all.

Katy Anders said...

Honcho:

"Would you join their cause?
If yes, would you become a terrorist, or a grunt?"

Perhaps I'd just try to justify and defend the horrible acts perpetuated by "my side," like so many here are willing to do for theirs.

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Good counterpoint, Katy. But perhaps a copout to my original question.

Horrible and vile acts are necessary when dealing with Horrible and vile people. That's what terrorists are.

I would agree that we can debate how we sort through and classify the bad guys we pick up (grunts vs terrorists). But if torturing 100 terrorists saves even one innocent life I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Anonymous said...

Agree 100% with Mr. Mike Honcho! AMEN!!

I don't care who you are--you mess with us, we mess with you and a whole lot worse right back