I think they should just build a new stadium! Does anyone know exactly how OLD the current field is? It is such a disgrace to have out of town teams come here to play ball!
Pay your teachers better if you have the kind of money that would build all of this. Have you checked with any schools that have artificial turf as to the cost of upkeep? You may be surprised.
Why is it a disgrace? It's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL. I don't understand why people think that kids should have some kind of first class, state-of-the-art facility to play a a game in. Also, is it the smartest thing to spend almost a million dollars on fake grass when the economy is as bad as it is. Get a grip.
Aren't the Pro's using real turf now in their fields? Didn't Texas Stadium spend thousands to take OUT their artificial turf and replace it with the real stuff? We're in an economic decline and people are losing their homes, jobs, savings...and DHS wants to spend millions on absolutely UNNECESSARY "stuff?" Ludicrous! Completely ludicrous! didn't someone post earlier that Story wanted these things? I say let the man leave.
why dont the group of community members come up with the money there selfs if they are wanting it that bad. and why does decatur need an indoor practice facility??? not like it snows and rains all the time here!! Decatur is just wanting to be like Southlake. its crazy!!
If you're going to replace the turf at least repair the bathrooms. I'm tired of taking a leak in a fifty year old trough and holding my nose. Not to mention the fact if more than one person has to drop a load in the men's bathroom you're in trouble especially if you ate the Frito Pie. There's a large area around the bathrooms where the "punks" hangout (behind the bathrooms)that could all be used for a larger restroom area and adequate for the handicapped and the elderly. This would also require the little thugs to go somewhere else to start trouble, wrestle, talk tough or "cop a feel" on their little girlfriends out of the public eye. Then we could build some ramps to the stands instead of stairs for the elderly. I'm not opposed to the turf idea but let's spend a little money on necessary repairs before we drop the turf.
These commenters are idiots, they will put in field turf which techinically is artifical turf but it is designed to be like grass. Yes they did rip out the old artificial turf at Texas Stadium and replaced it with field turf. Much cheaper to maintain than real grass.
make sure and take note that it was the community action group who is behind this and not the board or the administration.
$1,000,000 would sure buy a lot of computers for our classrooms. I wonder what gets in folks' heads to come up with such ideas like artificial turf and an indoor practice facility - for DHS football. My guess is that they have kids in elementary and middle schools and envision their boys playin' Division 1-A football someday. It might be an easier fix if Mr. Bakker and his "group" move to Southlake where they would have access to turf and an indoor practice facility. However their kids probably aren't good enough to make the team.
Bathrooms? You mean to tell me for the past 30years me and the Mrs. have been wizzing under the bleachers for nothing!Symore Butts
Amen 12:09.Hire qualified teachers. Reduce class sizes. Buy new text books. Many of my former HS football teammates were too dumb to go to college. None played college ball.
Won't help. Decatur is going to get drummed by the Bridgeport Bulls for the next several years anyways. Just go ahead and pay the teachers better.
Bakker Don't live in Decatur School district anyway so it wont cost him anything. He lives North of Alvord.
This is the Same Mr. Bakker that messed up the Youth Fair. now you know what you are dealing with.
That is just stupid and a total waste of money.What's next?Hiring Jerry Jones?
The whole idea is absolutely ridiculous!
Bakker doesnt have any younger children..his youngest is a senior this year and he is an idiot.this is the dumbest idea ever. i could see how it MIGHT become a possibility of turf or (pushing it) an indoor facility if decatur had won state this year or you know, maybe even made it to the playoffs.these people are nuts.
Absolutely ridiculous thought! I mean when we have five schools in Decatur with all new administrators....that should tell us that we need to do something with our schools, not our lousy football team. Pay your administrators and teachers more and maybe people will quit using our district as a place to grow before they move onto the "good paying" districts.
It's field turf which is easier to maintain and lasts longer. Some of you may forget that football is the biggest revenue generating sport for the schools and, if Decatur had a better field, could attract playoff games to generate a little more money for the school district. Like so many things Decatur, too many people are small thinkers who don't see past the end of the nose to imagine what could happen if they did more than complain. What was adequate in 1970 isn't always adequate in 2008.
does decatur really need another Elementary School? they will have 3 total compared to Bridgeports 1.
Lasts longer? Last time I checked all you have to do when a grass field begins to wear out is add a little water and fertilizer. Easier to maintain? How much could it possibly cost to keep mowed? What would be the cut that DISD would get for a sold out playoff game between Lipan and Santo? Indoor practice facility? Now someone is definitely drinking the Kool-Aid. Its pretty clear who the small thinkers are here...the ones that have been conned into thinking this somehow makes fiscal sense (especially in this economy) and that we have somehow become a football powerhouse and other teams will pick our stadium as a place to play playoff games over places like Texas Stadium, UNT, or even HEB.
When trying to make a decision about what is best to do, I can assure you that one thing Decatur does NOT do is compare themselves to Bridgeport.Thank Heavens!
Yes, once again let's call on the Decatur axpayers to fork out another couple of million bucks on grass and an indoor practice field.Learning to be a primadona is much more important than math and science!
Dress down the uniforms, cut down on the arm bands, knee bands, bicep bands, calve bands, little white towels, and all the frigg'in blue and white tape on their shoes and there may be enough money there to put in turf. I'm just say'n.
Let's not fool ourselves. No sport including football even comes close to paying for itself.Revenue? Will not even pay the coaches salaries.Sport are good for kids. But needs to be kept in perspective. Enough said. Leave all that other crap for fools.The idiots bought that "playoff line" last time. Care to know how many playoff games have been played since it was remodeled?
3:24 Small thinkers?? Generate revenue with "playoff games"?? OK, how often do you think a playoff game will happen in Decatur?? Once a year, maybe?? How many schools can or will pay a $1,000 per game to use this field?? Let's see now, 1 game @ $1000 dollars x 800, WOW!!!It would only take 800 years,and that is before intrest!! .....And then you went on to say.. "Like so many things Decatur, too many people are small thinkers who don't see past the end of the nose to imagine what could happen if they did more than complain.....Besides.... It would'nt matter at all where Jeff Baker lives he won't be able to see past his nose any how!! Jeff is one of the main reasons that drugs are so big in the county. He is more than happy to "GIVE" a crackhead $25.00 for mine or your $500.00 worth of merchandise.I have been burgularized too many times and SEEN my equipment inside and outside of his business. He plays the "game" so well that he even outsmarts the Sheriff's dept. most of the time. Trust me, I know!! Since he owns so much property in the Alvord ISD, and pays $10K a year to that district, he can throw his ASOTURF down in Alvord!!
As far as playoffs (correct me if I'm wrong here) but doesn't UIL have some stipulations regarding the capacity of the stadiums to even be CONSIDERED to host a playoff game? Then you factor in if the head coaches want to flip a coin (winner picks location) or let UIL determine a central location........does Decatur meet the minimum seating and who would they be centrally located to host?
SOme peeps say:Astroturf now, astroturf tomorrow, astroturf for the future!Then other peeps say:I knew astroturf..astroturf was a friend of mine, and YOU SIR are NO ASTROTURF.-Double fake Skool Bored meetin transcript.If we get it. I would like to request we get blue turf...just sayin.
If they think that Decatur will get many playoff games simply by putting turf, they must be smoking something. I will admit that there are few stadiums to use between Fort Worth and Wichita Falls. Whenever schools from these areas play each other, they usually have to go to either place or they play in Mineral Wells or Denton. They will not suddenly decide to come to Decatur just because of the turf. There are many other changes that need to be made.
Ultimately, parents/taxpayers need to decide what they want more importance placed on...athletics or academics. Academics have always taken a back seat to athletics. If you don't think so, request to see the budget of any high school in Texas. Take a look at the student:teacher ratio of a teacher versus that of a coach. Take a look at how many coaching periods a coach gets plus a conference period while full-time teachers teach all day long with virtually no time to prepare and grade for the 130+ students (with ESL, Special Ed, 504, RTI, ED populations to document within that number as well as produce TAKS results). What a freaking joke...so many areas that need attention and people want turf, indoor practice facilities and such! Incredible that someone would bring that to a school board meeting...it really is. Until football stops driving every decision made in public schools, education will continue to be sub-standard despite what superficial standardized tests scores reveal. Teachers (that don't teach so they may coach) will continue to leave the profession. And, ultimately all you will have left to teach kids are coaches who teach so they may coach (with a rare few exceptions) and teachers that have no problem ramming an ineffective curriculum down kids throats so they can pass standardized tests that mean nothing in the grand scheme of academics and critical thought. I'll get off my tired soapbox now.
As a DISD teacher, but also a DISD parent, I am always torn on these issues. Obviously I would like to earn more money. And yes, I am very concerned about the lack of stability of administrators in our district, particularly at the elementary level. But it does seem to me that Friday Night Football, for whatever reason, is a true testament to the sense of community we have in Decatur. It instills spirit in ways beyond sports- spirit amongst students, parents, teachers, etc. It encourages many students to excel academically...football players, band members, etc. So would it be so wrong for us to improve our facilities? I certainly believe we should find a way to provide clean bathrooms and adequate seating for our community and its visitors.Astro Turf? Maybe not. Improvements? I vote yes.
Before paying the new administrators more can we replace about 3 of the five first!Clueless and on a power high.
I live in Decatur, and I would love to teach here, but I can't afford the pay cut.
Ease up there folks, the field is a little crappy and the restrooms are a disaster. Maybe there's some better ideas out there, or maybe you people like to hear yourselfs bitch and moan.
These folks want to pass this indoor facility off as though it will be for all the various sports and band etc. Let's be honest, it's primarily for football. And how many practices did they miss because of weather?I hope the board knows to distinguish between 'wants' and 'needs' and the turf and indoor football facility are definitely wants.
Well, hello! I'm the one who put on this blog a week or so ago that this was going to come to pass! Looks like I let the cat out of the bag and now Story has parents fighting his battle for him. STORY NEEDS TO GO! Decatur's facilities are just fine! When was the field/stadium redone...10, 12 years ago? If the bathrooms are a disgrace, then perhaps money should be spent for JANITORS who will do their job at keeping the facilities clean and maintained. (Multi million dollar stadiums can look like crap when they are not KEPT!) Yes, I recall back when all this stadium re-doing was going on, the MAIN reason was to bring more playoff games to Decatur. Give me a break! How LONG is football season? And the playoff season is what... 5 weeks or something like that? Decatur might possibly get ONE small school playoff game, but the others will go for the major stadiums around. I DO NOT wish to see my taxes go up AGAIN to just keep Story appeased! Decatur DOES NOT have the tax base that Northwest, Southlake, Denton, and such do. Until that tax base arrives via major business or possibly another TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY, the board members of DISD better realize their taxpayers ARE ALREADY TAPPED OUT! Anyone who votes for this ludicrous suggestion is insane! Even the board members who said they would DISCUSS it are idiots! What is the matter with the sensible thinking folks around here? NO MORE TAXES!!! Especially for FOOTBALL STADIUMS that we DO NOT NEED! Go away, Kyle Story!
When you start playing football games or marching contests indoors... then maybe practicing indoors is a good idea.I guarantee you that there were not that many practices of either kind missed across the county.If I was a betting man I would say that the indoor facility was thrown in to be sacrificed so the field turf will be passed.LOL @ this one from the west side of Big Sandy.
I'm just wondering how many of you know what you are talking about.I love the blue turf idea. Classic.I've never heard K Story say he needed the turf or indoor facility. Maybe he's getting parents to speak up for him. Maybe not. I've heard he has passed up other jobs because he likes the community. If so, he's probably not trying to rock the boat and has a pretty successful record without all the stuff. Just saying.The hits on the Bakker guy sound a bit extreme but maybe you really do know him. Maybe not. Barry, I do think it somewhat sad that you provide a forum for people to say whatever they want about other people anonymously. I guess it's good for your ego though to get so much stirred up. Do attorneys still seek the truth or just the headlines? While some of you are popping off that Decatur couldn't get a playoff game, how do you know? Then again, who knows if they could?For the teachers who have to go work somewhere else for the money, I hate to hear it. For the teachers who stay here because they want to work in their community, more power to you. Life ain't fair and we all make concessions in one way or another.
the field turf would attract playoff games to decatur. not much money there, but it will save money in in having someone groom and cut that field all year, ever year and chalking it.if you care about money, then you should care about the cost-saving move and get field turf.the indoor facility? no, just have james wood build it and name it after him.
Pssst...Bridgeport may have a "multipurpose" aka indoor football field coming up on a bond election soon, too.
7:18...save yourself the headache. There is no amount of money that will ever explain to your children (if you have them) why you have to put in 10-12 hours worth of work in a day to provide freaking DATA to administrators that prove you are making students into little TAKS idiots to put feathers in administrators hats. And to 3:33, those three admin that you are probably refering to...if you bide your time, they will be on their way to a district they think is more befitting their style once they are done padding their resume. The problem is they are leaving a path of miserable teachers and poorly served students in their wake. When six, seven, and eight year olds begin to hate school b/c they have their playtime taken away to motivate academic performance, no longer have art classes, can't have snacks or a nap in the afternoon b/c principals force us to ram a thinly veiled TAKS prep curriculum down their throats all day, something is wrong. No, it's sick. Sad thing is that this isn't just a local problem.
From UIL website. Policy & Administration, Athletics; Section 1250:A school cannot be required to flip for a playoffsite that is not large enough to accommodate the fans from both schools.
Wouldn't this be like putting new carpet in a shitty old trailer house?
*Bulldozer starting*You folks keep it up and Decatur [Jarheadburg] is next.
FYI-Bakker was not the only person supporting the turf, he was only the spokesperson
11:51, AMEN,AMEN,AMEN,AMEN, All I want to know is who is making the tons of money from the TAKS test at the expense of my child. It truly pisses me off and it's about time parents stood up and told them where to put the TAKS test.
I bet that if Bakker payed a transfer fee for his kids to go to Decatur school district then we would have the $$$ to build the field! What did he pay?????I know he charges 280% intrest for a loan...
turf is cheaper to maintain, if you only look at the yearly cost.Savings would never, I repeat, never equal the up front cost of installation before it had to be replaced again.One wonder if this is coming up so admin can slip this little dude into the recent bond expenditures.Taxpayers were promised one thing, now they can see what is really at play.
Boyd has won two state championships and look at their field.....I'm just sayin'!
Is an indoor practice facility going to help a player or 2 or even 3 players to get a full ride to a 4 year college? If not then spend the money on academics and keep up with the rest of the world. These football players probably won't even touch a football after high school but they sure will use life skills after high school. I say nix the facility. Let's teach these kids about things like budgeting money and saving so they don't depend on credit cards.
Decatur doesn't charge transfer fees. They are a property-rich district, and need the numbers - no fees charged right now!Almost anyone can come here....
OK - now if this comes to a vote, all you nay-sayers must get out and vote. You can bet all those names on that petition I saw (didn't sign) the other day will get out and vote, and those of us who think it's incredibly ridiculous to even suggest such a thing as field turf or indoor 'football' facility will stay home. We must vote NO.
clueless and power high administrators?? Seriously? It's about time someone led Decatur into the 21st century. Our kids are way behind and changes must be made. They have my support.
No one is talking about not supporting kids, and anyone who suggest someone opposing this extragavance doesn't support kids clearly is playing minds games akin to Rove.Our kids are not behind in anyting except some of their academics.The best support we can give kids is the knowledge that "keeping up with the Jones," "anything less than Cadillacs is inferior," are two attitudes leading to disaster.Does anyone need reminding that the attitude expressed by 3:19 is exactly why this nation is bandrupt.
There is a solution to this turf deal. The wannabes have offered200-300k to seed this project.They can guarantee success by stepping up to the plate and donating the who nine yds. (no pun intended.) Surely the school wouldn't turn it down.If it is that important to the wannabe's, they can step up to the plate and not burden the taxpayer with their high dollar needs.That's what real men would do!
I think they should have the next board meeting at the airport so when the members arrive on their private jets they won't have to call a cab. Well excluding Laura Montgomery she seems to be the only reasonable one. Because the rest of them are out of touch with reality or have more nuts than Alvin the Chipmunk. The gall to ask people for money for something so frivolous in times like this, when most people are just happy to still have their jobs and homes. I for one am sick of people like this trying to keep up with Southlake because they are dragging the rest of us along. I've lived here my entire life graduated from DHS and yes played on the grass,my kid did too. If its not good enough for you and yours maybe you should just move?Besides ya'll may need that grass to graze on to get the coaches ass taste out of your mouths.
3:19...You can support yourself!!! You need to familiarize yourself with the graduate rolls (undergrad and graduate) of the universities of Harvard, Columbia, Vanderbilt, Duke, Sewanee, NYU, William and Lee, Rice, Yale, and Columbia to name just a few that awarded degrees to Decatur ISD graduates (and not single examples, either). Countless are the number of students that have earned degrees from your more average universities such as Baylor, UT, TCU, SMU, Texas Tech (please note tongue in cheek, alumn). There are Decatur ISD graduates working for the CIA, FBI, DEA in high level positions. There are numerous Decatur ISD graduates with an MDs and PhDs that follow their names. Numerous lawyers, accoutants, and teachers may be among professions achieved by graduates of Decatur ISD. The vast majority of local businesses are ran by Decatur ISD graduates. And you can thank Decatur ISD faculty and staff present and retired for that success. There is a great deal more to education of which you, apparently, are unaware. Your comment is ignorant, rude, and insulting. Before you make such comments, you would do well to conduct a little research. People might take you a bit more serious when it comes to leadership. I won't even say what your entire comment smacks of...it would totally give you away.
Russell, You need to attend the meetings and listen to what all the members of the board say and not just the one printed in the paper. Better yet, call the board members and express your concerns. I think you will be shocked by how the majority feel. Public Forum is open to anyone to speak and by law the board must listen to them. There will be an election in May for anyone who wishes to put there name on the ballot.
Kinda ironic when Decatur's most successful athletic endeavor (on a steady basis) runs on a shoestring (pun intended) budget. The Cross Country program is probably the least expensive to fund, and has brought home six State Championships (equally divided between girls and boys) in the last ten years (1999 season to present)! The only added expense year after year is all those "pesky" T-shirts that are made to commemorate their district, regional and state championships they win! Great running, Decatur CC Eagles!!
What's wrong with having our taxes go up to fund a GREAT football stadium? So what if we don't have a Texas Motor Speedway to be a basis for such a grand endeavor? I think it would be beautiful! It should be built right there next to the absolutely gorgeous new high school and it should rise higher and be more prominent in our "sky line" than the courthouse! So many people would come (if you build it, they will come)!! Schools would flock to our "stadium to beat all stadiums" with its perfect "grass turf" to play their playoff games! Heck, I think the state would even extend the playoff season just so DHS could accommodate ALL the playoff games in the illustrious grand palace! Kyle Story should be excorted with "secret service" type of security. I mean, we certainly do not want anything to happen to him because there are NO MORE coaches in the world that could replace him. It would only cost the taxpayers a few bucks more to hire such security and provide limo's with security much like our President has. Lord knows, if our President has such security, Kyle Story should also. Let's be sure to build not just one, but two or three indoor multipurpose facilities. I believe only ONE is not enough. Look at all the indoor gymnasiums we have to accommodate the boys, and the girls sports! And the band certainly needs one for its own opportunities at accomplishments to earn scholarships for college. (more band folks play on college scholarships than football players!) And, we will need a new admin building too! The current one is toooooooo small! Where will we house the other administrators we will hire in order to make sure our new "grandeur" stadium and facilities are maintained? And we'll need to hire a, no, not a, but several "events coordinators" to make sure our stadium brings in a few bucks that will help pay for the new uniforms (football) we will need. I don't think Decatur has those "back in the day" uniforms like the Pro teams sport every so often these days! I mean, if the Pros all have these indoor facilities, and we follow their lead on that, then we must also follow their lead with the "back in the day" uniforms, right? I LOVE the blue turf idea! It goes right up there with the BLUE track that DHS used to have. (Always wondered why they went back to the traditional black on that track!) Hey, we live in a wonderful world, and I'm sure the economy would turn back to the positive on a dime if the world only knew that DECATUR was going to upgrade its new facilities to even NEWER, and GREATER palaces for the world to enjoy!! The world would be saved! Money would flow again everywhere!! Come on all you naysayers..... get on the bandwagon and say YES, YES, and YES to giving away your hard earned money! Think of the kids, the coaches, and the admin who will thrive with your unselfish decision to GIVE and make their dreams come true!
1:20 am... I believe you are totally misunderstanding me. I support this district whole heartedly. I graduated here, my kids graduated here, I'm hoping my grandkids will graduate here. I am well aware of the successes of DISD. However, this district is good at educating average to above average students....those are the ones you speak of going on to well known colleges and running successful businesses. But what about the struggling students? That is what concerns me. The DISD administration, teachers and support staff have my support. Your insinuations are way off base. Think before you speak.
Thanks 1:20--you are so right! Many members of my family graduated from here, went on to college, are gainfully employed, and can compete with anyone out there. Decatur's schools are good and there are many excellent teachers. A lot of what is learned depends on the students anyway. Yes, my family members also played football--but "play" is the operative word. Most realize that football ends in high school, it's all about the game, and then move on to bigger and better things. I am an educator and I see so many times that parents are living vicariously through their children and place much more emphasis on the sport than the kids. Let's just let them play on adequate fields, then get on with their lives.
The Decatur Eagles would look just as bad on turf as they looked on grass this year. Just sayin.
Okay..10:27, I get what you are saying but when it comes to those struggling students you referred to, what did you mean in your earlier post by..."Our kids are way behind and changes must be made"? In comparison to whom? What district? If comparing to other districts, what does our funding look like compared to theirs and allocation of which? What is the ethnic and economic similarities and differences? Are you using TAKS test results b/c if you are, remember that success on that test means that a Texas graudate is "college ready" which is a joke when you have the same graduate take the SAT and ACT. You will find a rather large discrepancy when it comes to success on those tests. I take offense that you think Decatur students are "way behind" and your implication is that, as a whole, Decatur ISD faculty and staff needs some guru to come in and fix this one-horse town when the fact is...kids are having meaningless worksheets rammed down their throats to produce meaningless results on a meaningless test. Currently, students are unispired, teachers as a whole are unhappy, central and school administrators have an addiction to test scores, and parents are frustrated. And as far as struggling students, believe me, they are being served. Those of us that have gifted or high achieving students that have the potential to go to the mentioned universities are the ones being rooked the worst. There is a fact of life that will NEVER change...smart, average, and deficient intellect are all categories, one of which describes our brain. Until people stop trying to make brain surgeons out of all of the above, you will simply dumb down the gifted ones and frustrate the deficient ones. The more I think about it, you are partially correct; there are students that are behind...the ones with the most intellectual/academic potential. What do you want a graduate to be able to do? Mark little round circles on a standardized test or think for themselves and be able to continue their education no matter where they choose to pursue it...Harvard or by downloading the Star-Telegram everyday? Until school boards, top-tier administrators, superintendents, AND PARENTS stop accepting the crap that our legislators are doling out, ALL students in this state will suffer. It hasn't nothing to do with Decatur ISD lagging behind in a previous century.
8:32, you are spot on! I am a teacher also and thank you for your post that explains how it actually is. Blessings to you!
The board does not appear united with this parent effort. There seem to be some members working with these parents to push through their agenda. Could these board members be close to Kyle Story? I thought school board members worked for the students and the community as a whole. It seems some of our board have their own agenda spelled S P O R T S .
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