The Campaign For DA

7.30.2015

The Dentist, The Lion, The Talk Show, and The Bible


I was disturbed when I saw this story regardless of whether the dentist did or did not know the lion had been coaxed off protected lands.  I just couldn't imagine shooting a lion.  But I figured there was at least some good reason to do so. You know, the same reasons that Texans give for deer and dove hunting.  I accept those.

So I was listening to the Mark Davis Show yesterday (podcast and it begins at the midway point) when a guy named "Jeff" from the Safari Club called in to justify lion hunting both "ethically and morally".  Ok, I'm about to learn something, I thought! However, he was beyond disturbing. He spoke of how lion hunting on a safari is the ultimate in a hunter's life (although the pinnacle for him is to kill an elephant with a compound bow. Nice.)

Here are some of the things he said:

  • Lion hunting is "the sport of kings".  It will cost between $50,000 and $150,000.
  • He readily acknowledges you can't eat the lion, it's just for a trophy. This is by far the most disturbing thing I heard -- there is no other reason to kill a lion. 
  • "As a hunter you are able to fulfill a desire to hunt . . . one of the most noble creatures and one of the most dangerous." (Davis was pretty funny here when he told the guy that he's not dangerous to you if you don't hunt him.)
  • Why do it? "Why would you climb Everest if you know you might die?"  
  • "There are few adventures left in the is world."  After hunting all your life, the lion hunt is "truly exceptional" and you get to "match wits with one of the most dangerous, majestic creatures on earth." 
  • He's on the lion's turf. "That lion can be on top of me in a matter of seconds." "When I'm out there with a bow, I might as well be out there with a stick and string."  (Yeah, you're a big underdog out there, buddy.) 
  • Becoming out of breath, he says, "It is giving me a rush just thinking about it." 
  • "There is something spiritual about hunting an animal with a bow." 

In essence, the killing of a lion is simply the ultimate rush for the bored, rich hunter. After you've done all the types of hunting you can think of, let's ratchet it up a notch and go further. Killing for killing's sake, and not for food or purpose, be damned.

I think that mentality is screwed up.  I couldn't help but think of what the mindset of a person would be after he had done the "ultimate" and killed a lion or elephant in Africa. What would be next? What else is there? And then it hit me because it was so obvious and it gave me chills: It's the exact plot of The Most Dangerous Game

Finally, let me turn to Mark Davis' reaction which was also shocking. After initially being skeptical to the concept of lion hunting, he finally began to "come around" and "understand" it even though it was not his "cup of tea". But how can it be justified? He said this:

"And the bottom line is that God has given us dominion over the animals and we can do this just because we want to."

I may have yelled out loud when I heard that.

I guess I'll get a bow and arrow and hunt the Family Dog in the back yard tonight. God has given me dominion over her. I can do it if I want to. And let me morally and ethically justify this act by telling you  it's the ultimate desire and sensation for me.

Ted Bundy probably felt the same way.

Mark Davis said there is nothing immoral about killing the lion. He even chastised a meek caller for even thinking that could be true.

Dear lord, Bless The Beasts and Children, indeed.*
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* The last four paragraphs were modified from the original posting. Why? I went back and listened to the show and got royally pissed off. Again.


42 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree withyou barry and I am not anti-guntite.

killing for fun is hard for me to understand.

Anonymous said...

The Lion guy might consider entering the , Lion Hunters Protection Program... what's repugnant one place is not repugnant someplace else.....giving animals names would be not advised if you plan to eat the animal at some point and time--harder to eat "Trigger"......See the book Who Gets what and Why.....

sparkerr said...

I completely agree with you, BG.

In addition, Cecil has a lot of cubs that are full grown, but still young. It is expected that they will be killed by other lions because they don't have him to protect them. So it's not just one lion that is dead.

The opinion of these hunters shock me. No way can I understand it.

Scientist predict the African lion's extinction in 2050. 35 years -- that's very little time to turn it around.

Maybe "dominion over the animals" means that humans are smarter. Maybe that implied that we are to take care of them. But when I hear of hunter killing them for fun, for glory, I wonder who really is smarter between them. The Most Dangerous Game, indeed.

Goober's Friend Andy said...

Another example of what the damn Yankees are doing not just to the country but the entire world. And if we try to defend our southern heritage we will be next.

Anonymous said...

Even though I have hunted most of my life, I have no desire to kill a lion, bear or any other big game animal anymore. However, it is none of my business if someone else does. I suspect more people are upset the guy is rich and paid that much for the experience than anything else. The country is going to "hell in a hand basket" and we are redirecting the discussion to a dead lion in Africa and a dead giraffe in a zoo. Is this really where our priorities should lie?

Anonymous said...

I can't look at this picture anymore!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Goober's Friend Andy said...
Another example of what the damn Yankees are doing not just to the country but the entire world. And if we try to defend our southern heritage we will be next.

Generalize much Goober? or Andy or whoever?

There was a Texas oilman who had an animal trophy museum in McKinney years ago on Highway 5 near 380. It was free and accessible to the public during business hours. My crazy hunter ex boss took me to see it...I didn't get it. I hunt dove, quail and pheasant in Ks which we eat on Thanksgiving. I don't understand the lion thing.

Goober you remind me of the phrase "dumb Texan"

Anonymous said...

On one of those rare occasions, I COMPLETELY agree with you Barry! This type of killing is just completely insane! Indeed, may our Lord bless the Beasts and the Children! Amen!

Anonymous said...

"You know, the same reasons that Texans give for deer and dove hunting."

I think you circled back around this, but it's not even in the same ballpark. You can eat the meat from deer and dove and you would be hard pressed to find a hunter in Texan that doesn't process both to eat.

And 8 posts in and no one has blamed this on Obama. What the hell is wrong with you people?

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Why kill if it's not for food or population control?

Anonymous said...

It's that kind of thinking that has left us with only 4 white rhinos (non-breeding) remaining on the earth. I propose that if these like-minded individuals want a real challenge, they hunt each other.

Anonymous said...

White man with tiny penis hunt big game trophy.

DF Bwana

Anonymous said...


12:01 pm and Mr. Barry --

I kinda see both sides of this but that's where people need to be, Balance not left or right radicalism.

The most disturbing thing here (yes, even more disturbing than killing a creature as beautiful as a lion "just because you can")

Is the lynch mob mentality that has vacated our judicial system, the mob determines the outcome and the system responds to the demand.

Barry it should upset you that you may become unnecessary...who needs a lawyer when a group of protesters can incite justice?
Think I'm wrong? A little out there? Write it down...wait for it

Anonymous said...

Hey now 1:28 only #blackrhinolivesmatter! Please apologize now for white Rhino privilege!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey, Skippy! Remember those two dirtbags from Wise Co that got busted for raping and filming their granddaughter? Well, looks like one of them won an appeal...

http://law.justia.com/cases/texas/fourteenth-court-of-appeals/2015/14-13-00855-cr.html

Friend of Goober's Friend said...

1:38
That is exactly what Goober's friend is talking about. Look @ what the lynch mob mentality did to the Alvord coach a couple of years ago. A board member and a "resigned" board member decided they wanted the new chico principal for their coach (which fell through) so they publicly attempted to 1) embarrass a local teachers spouse 2) destroy a winning coaches career 3) and cater to the local mafia lynch mob who wanted him gone. And Alvord hasn't had a track program or cross country program since. And the only reason they won In football is because they stayed behind when everyone else moved up in classification making then one of the largest 2A schools in the state. Now sit back and wAtch because you will see the same thing happen to the girls basketball coach and the current AD before June of 2016. The mob is already warming up in the community.

sparkerr said...

12:01 -
I disagree. Our country is not going to hell in a handbasket. We are doing quite well in many areas, others we need to change, but still, overall, we are doing fine.

Anonymous said...

Reminds me of the mens group from a church in Bridgeport that used to hunt our ranch in Goldthwaite. They would come down and blow the holy hell out of all the "trophy" bucks, even when they were instructed on how many they could cull. It has taken years of good management to repopulate the herd. You put any weapon into the hands of a city-boy, an ignorant hunter is what you get.

Anonymous said...

He looks like he is butt raping that lion (which is coincidentally what he did to his life).

Turmoil in a Teapot said...

2:52,

You are so right! The vestiges of white Christianity are hanging on, but we make progress every day. These old institutions have deep roots but are no match for the new world. We gain ground inch by inch and it shows everywhere these days. Gay rights! Freedom from white patriarchy! Community! Equality! One world! Get on board or watch it all happen from a cell with Leroy your new bunkmate!

Anonymous said...

Pretty good article about it here:

https://ideas.aeon.co/questions/what-s-worse-to-hunt-a-lion-in-africa-or-not-to-care-about-africa-except-when-someone-hunts-a-lion

Anonymous said...

Gee, thanks for reminding me of that creepy story we had to read to read in jr. high, The Most Dangerous Game. Hummm, come to think of it, you also remind me of that ancient creepy English teacher who made us read it, too.

Anonymous said...

Goober friend friend, is Alvoid's mascot the Lions or something?

DF Friend of Cecil

Anonymous said...

sparker...378,000 Texans are losing their health coverage and being forced to an HMO product effective Jan 1, 2016 due to changes mandated by the Affordable Care Act. Workforce participation is at it's lowest since the Carter Administration. Medicare is in trouble and no one knows for sure what the total of unfunded liabilities in social security are. The national debt is $18 trillion and climbing. I am really not a doomsday kind of guy but someone needs to pull this cart out of the ditch.

12:01

Anonymous said...

Can't eat it hell, billions of Chinese would beg to differ.

Anonymous said...

did an illegal alien kill someone?

Anonymous said...

Isn't it interesting that "dominion" over something is taken by many in the Christian camp to mean you can kill it without regard? Instead of a caretaker approach, the need to eat, safety -- no, none of those -- we kill for the rush!? I KNOW that is not what God has in mind.

Anonymous said...

we are hunting animals. cops hunting us. USG hunting cops. Lawyers? top of the food chain.

Anonymous said...

For the first time in quite awhile I agree with you Barry!

Anonymous said...

If you kill something just for the sake of killing something you are a disturbed individual.

Anonymous said...

There you go 4:41pm! Guess the wackos just weren't out yet. Haha

Anonymous said...

I don't understand how this is any different than us killing a mountain lion here. We do it to get rid of threats because they lose their fear of man, threaten livestock or just for sport. How was this lion any different? Sorry, but this one lion's death is not going to throw off the ecosystem of south Africa and with all the real atrocities going on in the world I think this isn't really newsworthy.
Jennifer

Anonymous said...



This is not even about a lion anymore, nor is about blacks, cops, gays or the damned confederate flag.

It really comes down to: Everybody agrees to disagree about everyone disagreeing about how to agree.

Therefore there will be no agreement, unless we can agree not to disagree.
Even I agree that that not agreeable.

It just reminds us all how easy it is to say things like - "you can't fix stupid" when in truth we have some of the smartest people that have ever lived trying to fix things.

We can't fix anything because for every two people that want too, you have two that don't.
What a world, What a world......

Denney Crane said...

Turmoil in a Teapot,

Please elaborate on the term "white Christianity". I was unaware there was a race differential.

Turmoil in a Teapot said...

white christianity is christianity as defined by white people, specifically white fundamentalist males, who, I might add, have views very similar to those against whom the US has been fighting in Afghanistan. you see, that is why our own government has deemed that white christian males are more likely to become homegrown terrorists. Their views are warped. the concept of white privilege extends into white christianity and becomes manifest destiny, and an attitude of being better and deserving to be blessed and more nonsense like that. answer your question?

Anonymous said...

Turmoil, you're a real tool. Where do you get off equating my views as "very similar" to those whom the US has been fighting in Afghanistan? I suppose I'm one of your stereotypical white fundamentalist males and I've never decapitated anyone, I've never bombed anyone and I've never thought myself to be better than anyone else nor more deserving than anyone else. I worked my way through college, I go to church regularly, I pay more than my fair share of taxes, I lead a local food ministry for needy families, and I'm completely colorblind to someone's race. I'm actually very much like many other white male fundamentalists in my community. Yep, I suppose I'm a terrorist for sure. Jeez! Who's truly warped?

Anonymous said...

7:14 You demonstrate why it is not fair to paint all folks of any religion (or no religion) with a broad brush. Not all fundamentalist Christians or all Muslims are inherently bad people. BTW Christians used beheading routinely in past times as well as burning at the stake, etc. But the mess existing in the Middle East now is based on various Muslim religious sects at war with each other over religious domination issues in territory with boarders arbitrarily drawn by Westerners after WWI and II. There is no easy answer to these problems. Keep your good work.

Anonymous said...

Reverence for Life affords me my fundamental principle of morality, namely, that good consists in maintaining, assisting and enhancing life, and to destroy, to harm or to hinder life is evil.
— Albert Schweitzer

Anonymous said...

Do you know why people like violence? It is because it feels good. Humans find violence deeply satisfying. But remove the satisfaction, the act becomes hollow.--Alan Turing

Turmoil in a Teapot said...

Oh, cry me a river! White christianity is dying out! It's changing, baby boys, if you haven't noticed. We've got females leading congregations now and marrying boys who are in love with one another. the old guard is dead! long live the new guard! And yes, ALL fundamentalists are inherently bad people. the world is changing, get on board or get run over. Just ask the boys scouts. I hear their new uniforms will be pink with powder blue trim. Can't wait! I may join myself!

Anonymous said...

Turmoil, one day every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and your so called "new guard" will be on the front row.....

Denney Crane said...

When "white Christianity" goes the way of the dinosaurs and Sharia law becomes dominant, I'm sure tolerance for your beliefs and lifestyle will be much more sympathetic. It won't be white Christian males who target the LGBT community to die. They will be the ones in this country defending your rights, whether they agree with them or not...